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Mega Warpdrive
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.21 14:05:00 -
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Ok, so i just finnished an hour long trip around several regions in highsec looking for research space for material efficency on my BPO's. And guess what. Not a single one was availeble within the next 60-70 days. When wil CCP make more slots in stations for BPO research? i mean, cmon. 20 slots in each station. Thats nothing. 1 guy can take all the slots in a station and keep them running for several months, leaving others waithing forever. |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1285
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Posted - 2014.03.21 14:37:00 -
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Wait, go to lowsec or NPC nullsec, put up a POS or buy pre-researched BPOs (or pay someone to research them for you). Lots of options.
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Mega Warpdrive
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.21 14:40:00 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:Wait, go to lowsec or NPC nullsec, put up a POS or buy pre-researched BPOs (or pay someone to research them for you). Lots of options.
Dont want to go to lowsec, POS is to expencive, Pay someone to do it for me means less profit + chance of getting ripped off. |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1891
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Posted - 2014.03.21 15:26:00 -
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Form a one-man corp, join a research alliance, rent slots available to alliance members. Problem solved (since you're not willing to take the easy route into low sec). "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
2320
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Posted - 2014.03.21 16:04:00 -
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Mega Warpdrive wrote: Dont want to go to lowsec, POS is to expencive, Pay someone to do it for me means less profit + chance of getting ripped off.
lowsec is cheap, requires flying. Boo hoo research is expensive if you're going to do a lot of it. Paying someone to research it doesn't reduce your profit, plus you can't get ripped off buying a researched one. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1285
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Posted - 2014.03.21 16:06:00 -
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Mega Warpdrive wrote:Elena Thiesant wrote:Wait, go to lowsec or NPC nullsec, put up a POS or buy pre-researched BPOs (or pay someone to research them for you). Lots of options.
Dont want to go to lowsec, POS is to expencive, Pay someone to do it for me means less profit + chance of getting ripped off.
Then I guess you'll have to wait if you refuse all the other options.
Paying someone else to do it (or buying pre-researched BPOs) is just trading time (research time) for ISK. If you don't want to pay for someone else's time, then spend your time. |
Anders Madeveda
Sturmgrenadier Inc
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Posted - 2014.03.21 16:26:00 -
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There are only so many avenue's to BPO research and they have all been listed here, choose the one most palatable or a new career cause I don't see CCP increasing slots at NPC stations anytime soon. If you haven't caught on to the theme the last 4 or 5 updates the trend is for players to be less dependent on CCP(i.e NPC) services and more reliant on player/corp driven gameplay. The latest announced changes continue that trend by making npc stations less efficient for reprocessing and boosting the capabilities of player owned assets. |
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
448
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Posted - 2014.03.21 18:34:00 -
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Mega Warpdrive wrote:Pay someone to do it for me means less profit + chance of getting ripped off. If you think so.
But usually there are reasonably priced, well-researched BPCs for sale over contracts. This also has the advantage that you can easily start (and stop) producing pretty much anything, without the initial investment of a researched BPO. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3294
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Posted - 2014.03.21 21:08:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1798288#post1798288
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2609953#post2609953 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2911218#post2911218 |
Ole Gato
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.22 05:33:00 -
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I am also aware of this issue - having had the same thoughts myself. And did the same research you did.
Best is look under contracts (I had a hard time finding this - looked all over the market but in the upper right corner of screen click then come down to business there you will find the contract option) Someone took the time to explain this to me in detail so I could find it!
Unless you put a lot of time into the industrial skills you can only run 3 jobs at a time. If you buy the basic BPO then you can que it up in one of the slots. I did find some that had a 30 day waiting list. Think about it - you que up 3 BPO's and in 30 days you have them to level 1. Then que them up again and in 60 days you can have them to level 2.
Now - what is the price of a BPO in contracts that are researched to level 50 or 100? Those people with access to a POS and have pure industrial alts can que up 10 jobs at a time but you are still looking at a lot of time to get them researched to lvl 100. And the need something to pay the fuel cost of a POS.
Again, what do you think would be a fair price for a fully researched BPO?
And, if you did buy one I think the lines for making copies are not as long and the one for doing research so you could make copies and sell those to recup some of your investment.
But, the question is - do you plan on being an industrialist or is this a sideline thing you are looking at? If it is a side line thing hoping to support some PvP play - do some quick math and I think you will find it is not a real money maker. If you are going the industrial route then you could view it as a long term investment which will pay for itself over time.
Just keep a close eye on the contract sections - not all BPOs are listed for sale all the time. So if you are really interested in something be ready to jump when it becomes available.
Ole Gato
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Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1288
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Posted - 2014.03.22 10:35:00 -
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Ole Gato wrote:Unless you put a lot of time into the industrial skills you can only run 3 jobs at a time. If you buy the basic BPO then you can que it up in one of the slots. I did find some that had a 30 day waiting list. Think about it - you que up 3 BPO's and in 30 days you have them to level 1. Then que them up again and in 60 days you can have them to level 2.
Or, you can queue them up, enter the number of ME improvements you want in the text box on the ME job creation screen (up to a max of 30 days worth) then come back after say 40 days with a BPO at ME 20+
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brinelan
The Flying Dead Havoc.
148
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Posted - 2014.03.23 11:11:00 -
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A small pos with a few labs isn't too expensive. If you can't make enough in profit in a month to keep a small pos going, then industry isn't for you. |
WaterMarks
Khanid Armament
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Posted - 2014.03.24 13:37:00 -
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brinelan wrote:A small pos with a few labs isn't too expensive. If you can't make enough in profit in a month to keep a small pos going, then industry isn't for you.
how much does a small pos roughly cost?? -Fly Reckless- |
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
169
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Posted - 2014.03.24 22:21:00 -
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WaterMarks wrote:brinelan wrote:A small pos with a few labs isn't too expensive. If you can't make enough in profit in a month to keep a small pos going, then industry isn't for you. how much does a small pos roughly cost??
It's hard to do math. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
1027
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Posted - 2014.03.24 23:50:00 -
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Mega Warpdrive wrote:Ok, so i just finnished an hour long trip around several regions in highsec looking for research space for material efficency on my BPO's. And guess what. Not a single one was availeble within the next 60-70 days. When wil CCP make more slots in stations for BPO research? i mean, cmon. 20 slots in each station. Thats nothing. 1 guy can take all the slots in a station and keep them running for several months, leaving others waithing forever.
LOL, welcome to EVE.
You have just discovered the primary purpose of high sec research POSes. Any othe slot you can find, but for ME, the single most important type ofslot, either wait the 60 days or get your own POS.
Of course there are alternatives of finding slots in low sec stations, but you will have trouble finding better availability even in low sec. A POS is not such a huge deal. All you need is a small caldari POS which will run 3 labs giving you a nice pile of ME slots, PE slots, and anything else you might need from a high sec POS.
I had a small caldari POS with zero defenses on it, in high sec 7 jumps from Jita for over 2 years without ever even being war deced, let alone actually losing it.
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Huttan Funaila
Terminal Radioactivity Toxic Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.25 06:45:00 -
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WaterMarks wrote: how much does a small pos roughly cost??
Variable costs per month run about 120-150M for fuel blocks. |
Rashnu Gorbani
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.26 09:28:00 -
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Last time I needed this I hauled 10 BPOs to npc nullsec and started researching there. There were still queues, but acceptable ones. Of course you need to be careful depending on the price of the BPOs. :) |
Maxx Run
Maxx Run Blueprint Services
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Posted - 2014.03.27 23:34:00 -
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People like me contract out ME slots for very fair prices (22k a slot per hour). We are honest and dependable and deliver a great service. My outfit alone has researched over 5000 BPOs and invented over 2000 T2 BPCs then there is ARLAB and and a few research alliances who can help you. There are many options available to you if you dig We sell high ME - Sub-Cap Ship, Mod, Rig and Ammo BPC's - All at great prices!
The best in the game, we were genetically engineered for this work!! |
Bayonnefrog
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.04.02 18:52:00 -
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Mega Warpdrive wrote:Ok, so i just finnished an hour long trip around several regions in highsec looking for research space for material efficency on my BPO's. And guess what. Not a single one was availeble within the next 60-70 days. When wil CCP make more slots in stations for BPO research? i mean, cmon. 20 slots in each station. Thats nothing. 1 guy can take all the slots in a station and keep them running for several months, leaving others waithing forever.
I recommend that you continue to look. In high-sec I have found ME slots available in 25-30 days. While not great, it is better than the 60-70 day range you quoted. Also, low-sec has even better wait times and null better than that from what I understand. I am currently training to fly a Covert Ops which will allow me to move valuable blueprints into low/null-sec and take advantage of the better ME times. I would advise this OR the POS option which really isn't that much to fuel per month. Like someone stated earlier, a small tower is 120-140m per month which you should be able to pay for many times over when researching blueprints. Look through the contracts, find which BPO's/BPC's are popular and research/copy them. You'll have more ISK than you know what to do with in a short time. |
Muffet McStrudel
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.03 15:01:00 -
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Mega Warpdrive wrote:Ok, so i just finnished an hour long trip around several regions in highsec looking for research space for material efficency on my BPO's. And guess what. Not a single one was availeble within the next 60-70 days. When wil CCP make more slots in stations for BPO research? i mean, cmon. 20 slots in each station. Thats nothing. 1 guy can take all the slots in a station and keep them running for several months, leaving others waithing forever.
No, CCP wants you to move your really expensive BPO out into null and low sec in a hapless indy so that their gate ganking friends can profit. Even better, they want to be able to hot drop you while cloaked and have zero chance at losses, thereby "fostering" more pvp. |
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Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1295
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Posted - 2014.04.03 18:30:00 -
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Muffet McStrudel wrote:No, CCP wants you to move your really expensive BPO out into null and low sec in a hapless indy
Why the hell would anyone ever chose to move BPOs in an indy, let alone expensive BPOs. I'm sure there are less appropriate ships to move them in, but right now I can't think of one.
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Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
2120
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Posted - 2014.04.03 20:19:00 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:Muffet McStrudel wrote:No, CCP wants you to move your really expensive BPO out into null and low sec in a hapless indy Why the hell would anyone ever chose to move BPOs in an indy, let alone expensive BPOs. I'm sure there are less appropriate ships to move them in, but right now I can't think of one.
Blockade Runner (e.g. Viator) Stealth Bomber Cov Ops
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1295
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Posted - 2014.04.03 21:38:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Blockade Runner (e.g. Viator) Stealth Bomber Cov Ops
Those are certainly better than an indy. Maybe Interceptor as well
What I can't think of are any ships *less* appropriate for expensive BPOs than a T1 indy.
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Saduria
The Islanders
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Posted - 2014.04.04 03:52:00 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:Muffet McStrudel wrote:No, CCP wants you to move your really expensive BPO out into null and low sec in a hapless indy Why the hell would anyone ever chose to move BPOs in an indy, let alone expensive BPOs. I'm sure there are less appropriate ships to move them in, but right now I can't think of one.
Freighter and Orca pop into my mind |
Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
483
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Posted - 2014.04.04 04:15:00 -
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I do my research in low sec npc stations. I used shuttle to move them around. Have not had any problems, yet. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first! |
Gondar Shi
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.04.05 13:28:00 -
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Muffet McStrudel wrote:No, CCP wants you to move your really expensive BPO out into null and low sec in a hapless indy so that their gate ganking friends can profit. Even better, they want to be able to hot drop you while cloaked and have zero chance at losses, thereby "fostering" more pvp. CCP gave you great tools to be near invulnerable to PvP in low sec or even null to move BPOs around -- and you're using a damn indy? |
Maxx Run
Maxx Run Blueprint Services
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Posted - 2014.04.05 21:20:00 -
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Saduria wrote:Freighter and Orca pop into my mind
Really?! As the colourful man said - Shuttle. Or an Inty, Cov-Ops - succeptable to SB's, nano'd they are immune to all but the ultimate death camp. That is where the map statistics page comes in though.
If you happen to be the very first pilot to hit an UDC (Uber Death Camp) then it was just your time to die, enjoy the 'pretty lights' and instant trip home. We sell high ME - Sub-Cap Ship, Mod, Rig and Ammo BPC's - All at great prices!
The best in the game, we were genetically engineered for this work!! |
Muffet McStrudel
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.07 11:42:00 -
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All you tools missed the bigger point which is CCP wants you to have to move the BPO's to low/null sec to do the research in the first place. Null sec and industry don't really mix.
It really doesn't matter what you move them in. |
Scarlett LaBlanc
Midnight Savran Industries
82
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Posted - 2014.04.07 14:30:00 -
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Or you pay someone 200 million ISK or so if you can't be bothered to grind some standings and you put up a high sec POS.
Do all the research you want. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
3830
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Posted - 2014.04.07 17:05:00 -
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1.) There are many options to do BP research. Yes, the "safest" and "cheapest" have the longest queues. The "extra time" it takes to perform that research is the price of that research.
2.) IMO, the cost of research should be dramatically increased in NPC stations, making POS research more profitable in comparison to NPC research. For example, at 33k isk per hr per line (instead of 333 isk per hour per line), would put the costs of fueling a POS for research more inline with the costs of utilizing the NPC station.
3.) There are many options for you: Use an NPC station in lowsec or nullsec, which have shorter queues. Use a Blackfrog or similar service to safely move BPO's for you. The safest ship to move bpo's in is probably an covert, nullified, T3 cruiser with warp stabs and nanos in the low. These are very hard to catch, especially if you utilize insta-undocks and insta-dock bookmarks while traveling.
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