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Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
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Posted - 2014.03.24 09:56:00 -
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Muestereate wrote:IS boxer is specifically distributed with a mining bot script
Citation needed. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Victor Andall
Complexes and Abaddons
291
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Posted - 2014.03.24 10:02:00 -
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LordOfDespair wrote:I Riven I wrote:So what you guys saying is that keith eaton and all the isds that use macro keys to answer questions on the help channel should be banned??
Because they are typing faster than what they would if they werent using macros and hotkeys.
I can have a hotkey that when i press it mines in my hulk for 23.5 hours.. its just a hotkey, not a bot.. right? If you go by the EULA, the hotkeys for the ISDs are not banned. Because they don't "facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status". The same can be said about the auto clicker on the warp button, but it seems that CCP doesn't follow its own rules, because things like ISboxer are allowed and users have been banned for these kinds of macros before.
Actually no, it couldn't be said.
By circumventing Autopilot you're saving time that you couldn't otherwise use making money, acquiring items, etc.
There is literally no scenario, aside from aimlessly moving between stations, in which your autoclicker script doesn't facilitate some form of gain. Whether you're going to a mission hub to make money or hauling salvage, or god forbid, running freighter contracts in which case you're probably shortening the trip by HOURS.
If you're circumventing the autopilot without being at your computer, you're automating a task that nets you some form of gain.
And even if by some sort of warped twist of fate you're not, there's still the potential of you doing it.
You don't need to wait for someone to blow something up before you confiscate the bomb.
I think you're safer not doing it at all. I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?
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Victor Andall
Complexes and Abaddons
291
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Posted - 2014.03.24 10:22:00 -
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By the way, if you like automated gameplay, might I suggest an alternative to EVE Online?
http://orteil.dashnet.org/cookieclicker/ I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20215
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Posted - 2014.03.24 10:24:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:An AFK mining bot is also just 1 account working at the rate of 1 account, yet that is illegal because the player is not physically doing the work. It is also illegal because it is 1 account working at the rate of 8, since it squeezes 164.5 hours of mining out of a week instead of the regular 21(ish).
Quote:The other 19 are essentially being AFK botted because it's not the player actually providing the input, it's the program. No, it's still the player. If the player does nothing, those muliboxed accounts also do nothing. The input is 1:1 and nothing is automated.
Quote:When there are 20 miners in a belt and you have to activate them all manually it will take you at least a minute to activate all of them by hand. I'm sure with practice it could be done faster, but fact remains that you can never do it instantly across all windows. GǪand the advantage in having them all activate at once isGǪ?
Quote:Without automation it is impossible for a player to physically command 20 accounts simultaneously. Not even close. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Muestereate
Minions LLC
201
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Posted - 2014.03.24 10:36:00 -
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After further research, I find that it should be possible to create hotkeys with parts of this software where none currently exist. I can think of a lot of things I could use hotkeys for but none exist. Scans and drones cometo mind. I wonder if hooking into directx is legal since its not the eve client itself? |
412nv Yaken
The Conference Elite CODE.
86
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Posted - 2014.03.24 10:57:00 -
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LordOfDespair wrote:So I've made this little program that will click my mouse for me every 3 seconds.
I thought I'd use it to click jump to the next gate while I refill a drink or take a quick bathroom break.
What are the rules regarding this? I know that programs that do complex things like mining (lol) are banned obviously. But what about an auto clicker? All it does is just click the mouse.
Thanks!
Ana by click jump, u meant click scan on the dscan, whilst u sit in FW sites in a cloaky stabbed frig right?
I'm onto u bud, good idea, prob ban able tho
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Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum
51
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Posted - 2014.03.24 11:06:00 -
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LordOfDespair wrote:I think if somebody is allowed to ISbox 20+ accounts and make billions of isk, this shouldn't really be cared about either.
QFT
I logged in just so I could "like" that post.
ISBoxing is bullshit, but it makes CCP money so they'll never put a stop to it. Cash trumps integrity in any business, amirite?
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LordOfDespair
Capsuleer Combat Training Services
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Posted - 2014.03.24 13:33:00 -
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Tippia wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:An AFK mining bot is also just 1 account working at the rate of 1 account, yet that is illegal because the player is not physically doing the work. It is also illegal because it is 1 account working at the rate of 8, since it squeezes 164.5 hours of mining out of a week instead of the regular 21(ish). Quote:The other 19 are essentially being AFK botted because it's not the player actually providing the input, it's the program. No, it's still the player. If the player does nothing, those muliboxed accounts also do nothing. The input is 1:1 and nothing is automated. Quote:When there are 20 miners in a belt and you have to activate them all manually it will take you at least a minute to activate all of them by hand. I'm sure with practice it could be done faster, but fact remains that you can never do it instantly across all windows. GǪand the advantage in having them all activate at once isGǪ? Quote:Without automation it is impossible for a player to physically command 20 accounts simultaneously. Not even close.
Not close?
Explain to me how somebody can operate 20 accounts at once in simulationously perfectly, without any use of programs.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20220
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Posted - 2014.03.24 13:44:00 -
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LordOfDespair wrote:Not close?
Explain to me how somebody can operate 20 accounts at once in simulationously perfectly, without any use of programs. The problem is that you assume that simultaneously and perfectly means GÇ£in complete synchronisationGÇ¥. You can operate 20 mining accounts at once simultaneously and perfectly just by switching windows. The limiting factor is how often you have to empty your cargo hold, and since that frequency is measured in sizeable fractions of an hour, you can be very leisurely in doing so.
In fact, you could probably run it even more perfectly if you did it manually rather than use a multiboxing program, since every single client could be directed to switch asteroids and positions with more precision than if you made every one of them work exactly the same irrespective of how much ore is around them. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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LordOfDespair
Capsuleer Combat Training Services
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Posted - 2014.03.24 13:50:00 -
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Tippia wrote:LordOfDespair wrote:Not close?
Explain to me how somebody can operate 20 accounts at once in simulationously perfectly, without any use of programs. The problem is that you assume that simultaneously and perfectly means GÇ£in complete synchronisationGÇ¥. You can operate 20 mining accounts at once simultaneously and perfectly just by switching windows. The limiting factor is how often you have to empty your cargo hold, and since that frequency is measured in sizeable fractions of an hour, you can be very leisurely in doing so. In fact, you could probably run it even more perfectly if you did it manually rather than use a multiboxing program, since every single client could be directed to switch asteroids and positions with more precision than if you made every one of them work exactly the same irrespective of how much ore is around them.
No, the problem is you think ISboxer is only for mining.
A single person can run an entire incursion fleet on ISboxer (and they do, and yes it is very OP). |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20220
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Posted - 2014.03.24 13:52:00 -
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LordOfDespair wrote:No, the problem is you think ISboxer is only for mining. No, I don't. You asked a question, and I answered.
Quote:A single person can run an entire incursion fleet on ISboxer (and they do, and yes it is very OP). How is it overpowered?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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LordOfDespair
Capsuleer Combat Training Services
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Posted - 2014.03.24 13:55:00 -
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Tippia wrote:LordOfDespair wrote:No, the problem is you think ISboxer is only for mining. No, I don't. You asked a question, and I answered. Quote:A single person can run an entire incursion fleet on ISboxer (and they do, and yes it is very OP). How is it overpowered?
How isn't it?
And there is no way somebody can do it manually. |
hydraSlav
Synergy Evolved
68
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Posted - 2014.03.24 14:08:00 -
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I remember this post from a long ago about a guy putting a stack of coins on his F1 key, which was mapped to this MWD.
Now that there is a shortcut for warping, you can do the same.
Why coins? Cause he said "takes money to make money" |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
492
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Posted - 2014.03.24 14:10:00 -
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Tippia wrote:LordOfDespair wrote:Not talking about automating anything that is done within the game. GǪaside from jumping to the next gate. So: not allowed.
Right click gate and select jump. If its a 100+ AU warp then depending on the speed of your ship you then you have any where from 20-40 seconds to walk away and return. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20222
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Posted - 2014.03.24 14:12:00 -
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LordOfDespair wrote:How isn't it? That doesn't answer the question. How is it overpowered?
Quote:And there is no way somebody can do it manually. So what? It's still X amount of accounts creating Y amount of assets, same as any other X amount of accounts doing the same.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
492
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Posted - 2014.03.24 14:13:00 -
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Tippia wrote:LordOfDespair wrote:No, the problem is you think ISboxer is only for mining. No, I don't. You asked a question, and I answered. Quote:A single person can run an entire incursion fleet on ISboxer (and they do, and yes it is very OP). How is it overpowered?
Some how I knew this discussion would turn into an isboxer thread. |
LordOfDespair
Capsuleer Combat Training Services
11
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Posted - 2014.03.24 14:14:00 -
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hydraSlav wrote:I remember this post from a long ago about a guy putting a stack of coins on his F1 key, which was mapped to this MWD. Now that there is a shortcut for warping, you can do the same. Why coins? Cause he said "takes money to make money"
Shouldn't he get banned for that?
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LordOfDespair
Capsuleer Combat Training Services
11
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Posted - 2014.03.24 14:21:00 -
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Tippia wrote:LordOfDespair wrote:How isn't it? That doesn't answer the question. How is it overpowered? Quote:And there is no way somebody can do it manually. So what? It's still X amount of accounts creating Y amount of assets, same as any other X amount of accounts doing the same.
You didn't answer my question either, how isn't it overpowered?
So its okay if an account does something it normally could? Regardless if it is manually possible or not?
Then by that logic, a pilot using an auto clicker to warp to gates does it in the same speed as any other pilot just normally clicking. And since it doesn't matter that the action isn't something that can be done manually, then an auto clicker is perfectly fine. Right? |
Belt Scout
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2014.03.24 14:29:00 -
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LordOfDespair wrote:So I've made this little program that will click my mouse for me every 3 seconds.
I thought I'd use it to click jump to the next gate while I refill a drink or take a quick bathroom break.
What are the rules regarding this? I know that programs that do complex things like mining (lol) are banned obviously. But what about an auto clicker? All it does is just click the mouse.
Thanks!
Yeah this will get you in trouble. You made what is considered a keystroke macro. They can be made very complex or very simple, but a macro is still a macro, and they are not allowed per the EULA/ToS. Once it gets detected, your accountt can be banned, or at the very least, strongly warned.
Its addressed right at the top of the this list by GM Karidor.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=117249#post117249
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LordOfDespair
Capsuleer Combat Training Services
11
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Posted - 2014.03.24 14:33:00 -
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Belt Scout wrote:LordOfDespair wrote:So I've made this little program that will click my mouse for me every 3 seconds.
I thought I'd use it to click jump to the next gate while I refill a drink or take a quick bathroom break.
What are the rules regarding this? I know that programs that do complex things like mining (lol) are banned obviously. But what about an auto clicker? All it does is just click the mouse.
Thanks! Yeah this will get you in trouble. You made what is considered a keystroke macro. They can be made very complex or very simple, but a macro is still a macro, and they are not allowed per the EULA/ToS. Once it gets detected, your accountt can be banned, or at the very least, strongly warned. Its addressed right at the top of the this list by GM Karidor. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=117249#post117249
Wow thank you for that link.
An intresting quote from the GM: "Cheating is defined currently by the EULA as automating gameplay to an extent that is not achievable by a human being"
One could argue that flying 20 incursion ships in perfect harmony is not achievable by a human being. Strange how ISboxer isn't banned, direct contradiction. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20222
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Posted - 2014.03.24 14:39:00 -
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LordOfDespair wrote:You didn't answer my question either, how isn't it overpowered? By virtue of not being overpowered, since you refuse to show that it is. My answer is in your lack of answer.
So: how is it overpowered?
Quote:So its okay if an account does something it normally could? Regardless if it is manually possible or not? If it's not manually possible, the account can't normally do it and it's not allowed. That's why travelling between multiple gates without the use of either the autopilot or being at the keyboard is not allowed. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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LordOfDespair
Capsuleer Combat Training Services
11
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Posted - 2014.03.24 14:41:00 -
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Tippia wrote:LordOfDespair wrote:You didn't answer my question either, how isn't it overpowered? By virtue of not being overpowered, since you refuse to show that it is. My answer is in your lack of answer. So: how is it overpowered? Quote:So its okay if an account does something it normally could? Regardless if it is manually possible or not? If it's not manually possible, the account can't normally do it and it's not allowed. That's why travelling between multiple gates without the use of either the autopilot or being at the keyboard is not allowed.
How can twenty accounts be used in perfect harmony "manually"? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20222
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Posted - 2014.03.24 14:47:00 -
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LordOfDespair wrote:How can twenty accounts be used in perfect harmony "manually"? Through the use of a good FC.
You bailed out on the question: how is it overpowered? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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LordOfDespair
Capsuleer Combat Training Services
11
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Posted - 2014.03.24 15:00:00 -
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Tippia wrote:LordOfDespair wrote:How can twenty accounts be used in perfect harmony "manually"? Through the use of a good FC. You bailed out on the question: how is it overpowered?
Whether it is overpowered or not is irrelevent.
The rules aren't "you can cheat unless its overpowered".
But it is overpowered. Multiboxing incursions/WHs makes probably the most ISK per hour out of anything else.... and is only possible with ISboxing. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20222
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Posted - 2014.03.24 15:03:00 -
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LordOfDespair wrote:Whether it is overpowered or not is irrelevent. So your argument is irrelevant then. Goodie.
Quote:But it is overpowered. How so? And so what? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
958
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Posted - 2014.03.24 15:27:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote: Multiboxers have to click. Previously CCP have stated that as long as a physical click happens it doesn't matter how many simultaneous client clicks that generates, but if a click is generated without a physical click, then it's bannable. so what you have, which is essentially an autopilot bot, is very very bannable.
If I can find the CCP quote I'll link it.
Lol, somehow I just had to think about an insanely complex LEGO technic apparatus to click my mouse once in a while. xD Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
958
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Posted - 2014.03.24 15:33:00 -
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LordOfDespair wrote:
But it is overpowered. Multiboxing incursions/WHs makes probably the most ISK per hour out of anything else.... and is only possible with ISboxing.
That's something I never quite understood.
The Multiboxer says he earned twenty times more than with his one single account, but then he has 20 accounts. All those accounts need to be plexed, the toons need equipmnent etc.
In the end wouldn't he earn just as much as if he were in a corp with 20 (very well organized) players? Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
Wulfgar WarHammer
Imperium Research Inc
25
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Posted - 2014.03.24 16:33:00 -
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Don't even bother arguing with the ISBoxers. They will fight tooth and nail telling you that they could do the same thing without the third-party software, but they can't; which is why they defend/use ISBoxer in the first place.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20227
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Posted - 2014.03.24 16:37:00 -
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Wulfgar WarHammer wrote:Don't even bother arguing with the ISBoxers. They will fight tooth and nail telling you that they could do the same thing without the third-party software, but they can't; which is why they defend/use ISBoxer in the first place. Really? Do you have any example of someone doing this?
Debora Tsung wrote:That's something I never quite understood.
The Multiboxer says he earned twenty times more than with his one single account, but then he has 20 accounts. All those accounts need to be plexed, the toons need equipmnent etc.
In the end wouldn't he earn just as much as if he were in a corp with 20 (very well organized) players? Yes. Actually, the corp would probably be able to do most things even better since each individual can respond to their individual and specific situation rather than have everyone act the same no matter how appropriate it is to what they're doing. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
92
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Posted - 2014.03.24 16:46:00 -
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Posting in not-so-stealth anti-ISboxer thread. I doubt the OP actually made a macro to do what he says, since that would be good for precisely one gate jump, and why doesn't he just use the jump through gate option in the first place?
Also, IB4L |
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