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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:38:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote: Wait, so not only is ISboxer entirely automated according to you, but it also some how makes isk in an accelerated manner? Please share your secret to this!
I described that already, isbox saves you the time cycling through your clients and controlling them by yourself manually. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20251
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:39:00 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:with isbox you earn isk at an accelerated manner than playing all 5 accounts manually. No, you don't. You earn the same amount, or even slightly less since you can't adjust for the individual peculiarities of each of those accounts. You see, all you're saying is that juggling lots of accounts on the same computer is less efficient; you're not actually getting to the point where it becomes more efficient through the use of software GÇö the best you can ever hope for is parity, and the very nature of multiboxing prevents even that.
Quote:why people use it then, if not for automating their clients. Convenience and not having to build complicated hardware solutions. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4744
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:39:00 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote: Oh you mean every time I've used ISboxer I was sitting at my PC pushing buttons for no reason? I had no idea that the program was automated, I'd better go & uninstall it right away.
you click buttons on your main client, on the remaining 5,10,20,50 isbox is clicking for you. This is per definition form of automation.
Except it's not clicking for me, it's removing control of 'only window on top'. Please, answer my other questions as these are really important. I must know how these things are done to get value for money. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4744
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:40:00 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote: Wait, so not only is ISboxer entirely automated according to you, but it also some how makes isk in an accelerated manner? Please share your secret to this!
I described that already, isbox saves you the time cycling through your clients and controlling them by yourself manually.
It saves about 3 seconds, but you haven't answered the question: How does ISboxer acquire resources at an accelerated rate?
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Whim Aqayn
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
105
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:42:00 -
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Why are you even arguing with Tippia? She's like this forums flagship troll.
edit: Sorry, Mr Epeen |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:42:00 -
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Tippia wrote:No, with the effect that when they make a rule against automation of gameplay, they and they alone decide what qualifies. Something that requires player input to do anything does not qualify. they use english language and well defined terms in their EULA so someone would be able to understand it. They cant redefine meaning of well known terms in our world, otherwise their EULA wasnt worth a crap. What they can do is not enforcing their EULA policies even despite obvious violations, its their thing and thats what they are doing.
Tippia wrote: Check out the security section in the last CSM minutes.
link? And well of course they would say they ban this many, what else would they say otherwise? We dont care about bots? lol. Obvious fact is that isboxer are running around uncontested by CCP.
Tippia wrote: By listening to their very clear explanation of what they mean.
this is what I mean with excuses. They feed you excuses why they dont enforce a particular policy in a particular case, in reality its because of money.
Tippia wrote:Not per any definition that matters. per common definition of english language, EULA is written with.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
2406
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:43:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote: A well written post.
I see where you are coming from, but I dont think you are saving very much either way.
2 points I would make are;
1) That hour of missioning has generated the same income for the multiboxer as it has for the fleet when totalled. As we arent considering that five missions could have been done by the five people, then the supposed man-hours make no difference as the 4 non-human piloted ships could also be doing 4 different things (and 1 Master).
2) The ISBoxer cannot respond as easily to changes in environment eg Ninja looters, gankers WTS showing up etc. except to flee. The Human Fleet can respond and attempt to defeat or adapt to the change.
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4744
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:44:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Now if he were to do this manually, individually, without the software, he'd have to: Select the ship to target. Alt tab, tell 2nd ship to target. alt tab, tell 3rd ship to target. Alt tab, tell 4th ship to target. alt tab, selected 2nd ship that already targetted, try to find the 5th ship, ok found it, tell it to target. Go to first ship, tell it to fire. Alt tab, go to 2nd ship, tell it to fire. Alt tab, go to 3rd ship, tell it to fire. Alt tab, tell 4th ship to fire. alt tab, selected 3rd ship, this sucks, i hate this, find 5th ship and tell it to fire.
Or he could arrange the clients in to smaller windows & turn on a couple of options in windows that prevents butan press on only the top or last clicked window.
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Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:45:00 -
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It also allows you to defend your resources at an accelerated rate.
If you were to undock twenty ships on twenty accounts and tell them to dock without isboxer or other 3rd party cheating software that automates 19 clicks from one manual input, then you'd have to alt tab to each one, selecting the station and telling it to dock.
Telling 20 different ships to do that would take like 3, 4 minutes which can make a world of difference in a situation where someone is trying to gank you.
With this automation software, you can tell 20 different ships to dock in 5 seconds.
He takes 20 ships out, risks it for the potential reward twenty ships can offer, yet he doesn't have to suffer the drawback of his being an individual trying to manually control all 20 accounts thanks to the advantage offered by the 3rd party software.
Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
746
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:46:00 -
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Tippia wrote:No, you don't. You earn the same amount, or even slightly less since you can't adjust for the individual peculiarities of each of those accounts. You see, all you're saying is that juggling lots of accounts on the same computer is less efficient; you're not actually getting to the point where it becomes more efficient through the use of software GÇö the best you can ever hope for is parity, and the very nature of multiboxing prevents even that. you do. isbox allows you what you wouldnt be able to handle otherwise, by automation. It saves you majority of time running a fleet of clients for certain tasks its use is viable for.
Tippia wrote:Convenience and not having to build complicated hardware solutions. no, efficiency and even doability. There is just 1 guy out there who realized mechanical automation, from me, feel free to build this **** but it shouldnt be able per 3rd party tools.
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Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:46:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Now if he were to do this manually, individually, without the software, he'd have to: Select the ship to target. Alt tab, tell 2nd ship to target. alt tab, tell 3rd ship to target. Alt tab, tell 4th ship to target. alt tab, selected 2nd ship that already targetted, try to find the 5th ship, ok found it, tell it to target. Go to first ship, tell it to fire. Alt tab, go to 2nd ship, tell it to fire. Alt tab, go to 3rd ship, tell it to fire. Alt tab, tell 4th ship to fire. alt tab, selected 3rd ship, this sucks, i hate this, find 5th ship and tell it to fire. Or he could arrange the clients in to smaller windows & turn on a couple of options in windows that prevents butan press on only the top or last clicked window.
Then do that. Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |
Tacomaco
No Taxes just fun
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:47:00 -
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Nidal Fervor wrote: Why is Isboxer allowed? It's just another form of botting.
Many players have several accounts.
How do you think Eve got to 300-400k active accounts when there are like 30-40k players online and maybe 50k in weekend?
Most players that play for some time this game have several accounts. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
746
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:48:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Except it's not clicking for me, it's removing control of 'only window on top'. Please, answer my other questions as these are really important. I must know how these things are done to get value for money. it is clicking for you, however you describe that. Which questions? |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4744
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:48:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Now if he were to do this manually, individually, without the software, he'd have to: Select the ship to target. Alt tab, tell 2nd ship to target. alt tab, tell 3rd ship to target. Alt tab, tell 4th ship to target. alt tab, selected 2nd ship that already targetted, try to find the 5th ship, ok found it, tell it to target. Go to first ship, tell it to fire. Alt tab, go to 2nd ship, tell it to fire. Alt tab, go to 3rd ship, tell it to fire. Alt tab, tell 4th ship to fire. alt tab, selected 3rd ship, this sucks, i hate this, find 5th ship and tell it to fire. Or he could arrange the clients in to smaller windows & turn on a couple of options in windows that prevents butan press on only the top or last clicked window. Then do that.
Alot of people already do. The point here is how is doing this thing that everyone can already do any different from using ISboxer & how does doing any of this automate or accelerate gameplay?
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Whim Aqayn
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:49:00 -
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Tacomaco wrote:Nidal Fervor wrote: Why is Isboxer allowed? It's just another form of botting.
Many players have several accounts. How do you think Eve got to 300-400k active accounts when there are like 30-40k players online and maybe 50k in weekend? Most players that play for some time this game have several accounts. Time to change that. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20251
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:49:00 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:they use english language and well defined terms in their EULA so someone would be able to understand it. They cant redefine meaning of well known terms in our world, otherwise their EULA wasnt worth a crap. Sure they can as long as they explain what they mean. And they have.
Quote:What they can do is not enforcing their EULA policies even despite obvious violations GǪbut luckily, they don't do that.
Quote:And well of course they would say they ban this many, what else would they say otherwise? So it doesn't matter what I provide since you're just going to brush it off as GÇ£oh they're just saying thatGÇ¥. The indisputable fact remains that thousands of accounts have been banned for breaking the rules against automation. The indisputable fact remains that multiboxing has been very clearly and repeatedly stated to not break those rules during the very same time period. You know all this because you were there.
So the notion that they're just GÇ£not enforcing the EULAGÇ¥ for the love of money is nonsensical, disingenuous, and contrary to historical fact.
Quote:this is what I mean with excuses. It's not an excuse. It's a clarification of statements from legalese to plain English GÇö exactly what you wanted.
Quote:per common definition of english language GǪwhich is not the one that matters no matter how much you cry and stomp your feet and wish it were. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4744
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:50:00 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Except it's not clicking for me, it's removing control of 'only window on top'. Please, answer my other questions as these are really important. I must know how these things are done to get value for money. it is clicking for you, however you describe that. Which questions?
So you're saying that I don't have to physically press buttons for that to happen & that the entire thread was a complaint against nothing. Good to know.
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4744
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:51:00 -
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Whim Aqayn wrote:Tacomaco wrote:Nidal Fervor wrote: Why is Isboxer allowed? It's just another form of botting.
Many players have several accounts. How do you think Eve got to 300-400k active accounts when there are like 30-40k players online and maybe 50k in weekend? Most players that play for some time this game have several accounts. Time to change that.
People having alts is a huge income stream for CCP. Why would they go ahead & annihilate upto 70% of their income over a couple of guys complaining?
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10572
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:51:00 -
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http://technabob.com/blog/2010/04/11/eve-multi-boxing-rig/
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20251
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:51:00 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Except it's not clicking for me, it's removing control of 'only window on top'. Please, answer my other questions as these are really important. I must know how these things are done to get value for money. it is clicking for you, however you describe that. If you believe this, you don't understand what the software actually does.
Because no, it does not click for anyone.
The ones in the post you quoted. The ones you skipped over for no good reason.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
2406
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:51:00 -
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Sigh another thread which divides into the logical vs the intractable (plus a small child with an anal fixation).
Im not even going to suggest who is who, but some people like to argue rather than see sense. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
435
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:53:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:(plus a small child with an anal fixation).
Hey! I heard that, butt-face! |
Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:55:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Now if he were to do this manually, individually, without the software, he'd have to: Select the ship to target. Alt tab, tell 2nd ship to target. alt tab, tell 3rd ship to target. Alt tab, tell 4th ship to target. alt tab, selected 2nd ship that already targetted, try to find the 5th ship, ok found it, tell it to target. Go to first ship, tell it to fire. Alt tab, go to 2nd ship, tell it to fire. Alt tab, go to 3rd ship, tell it to fire. Alt tab, tell 4th ship to fire. alt tab, selected 3rd ship, this sucks, i hate this, find 5th ship and tell it to fire. Or he could arrange the clients in to smaller windows & turn on a couple of options in windows that prevents butan press on only the top or last clicked window. Then do that. Alot of people already do. The point here is how is doing this thing that everyone can already do any different from using ISboxer & how does doing any of this automate or accelerate gameplay?
You know what, don't do that. Just because the option exists to do it with windows doesn't mean windows itself is not software. It's still using the windows software to give one the ability to control multiple accounts at once without the need of selecting and controlling each one individually resulting in no increased risk that would normally be associated with using multiple accounts during ordinary game play.
Proof of lying in thread.
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
746
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:56:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote: It saves about 3 seconds, but you haven't answered the question: How does ISboxer acquire resources at an accelerated rate?
example ratting/plexing tengus: since you dont need to click your tengus manually, for example cycling through clients, locking or shooting missiles, your 5 tengus are acting in same time, with perfect volleys in coordinated and paralleled manner. Without isbox you wouldnt kill that fast, this is obvious and doesnt need further explanation.
Tippia wrote:Sure they can as long as they explain what they mean. And they have. actually, its pretty irrelevant what they do with their EULA, in fact they allow automating tools in their game, aside of anything written in EULA (since its worthless). This is what I'm saying.
Tippia wrote:but luckily, they don't do that. they do. See fleets of isboxers.
Tippia wrote: So it doesn't matter what I provide since you're just going to brush it off as GÇ£oh they're just saying thatGÇ¥. The indisputable fact remains that thousands of accounts have been banned for breaking the rules against automation. The indisputable fact remains that multiboxing has been very clearly and repeatedly stated to not break those rules during the very same time period. You know all this because you were there.
yes actually even if you would provide any "proof" in form of CCP's statement, you couldnt verifiy that. What I see is fleets of automated isboxer fleets running around, which arent touched by CCP despite of their automated manner.
Tippia wrote:which is not the one that matters no matter how much you cry and stomp your feet and wish it were. I'm not argueing about EULA itself that much, more about the fact they allow automated isbox bots in their game.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3369
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:57:00 -
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I cannot wait until, in his endless crusade for social justice and other such stupid things, Divine Entervention decides that having multiple accounts itself should be against the rules. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
746
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:57:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote: So you're saying that I don't have to physically press buttons for that to happen & that the entire thread was a complaint against nothing. Good to know.
yes, You dont need to press buttons on the xx clients running in background, it is done by isbox. This is primary purpose of this software. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
746
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:59:00 -
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Tippia wrote: Because no, it does not click for anyone.
if you arent clicking them manually by yourself, someone else must do that, they dont click themselves, right? This "someone else" is isbox. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
746
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Posted - 2014.03.25 10:01:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I cannot wait until, in his endless crusade for social justice and other such stupid things, Divine Entervention decides that having multiple accounts itself should be against the rules. 13 pages and someone still hasnt got what we argue about. Its automation by isbox not multiboxing as such (running your x clients manually). |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20251
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Posted - 2014.03.25 10:01:00 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:actually, its pretty irrelevant what they do with their EULA GǪother than the fact that it's what they refer to when tossing people out of the game for breaking the rules. So it's fairly relevant as far as the separate futures of botters on the one hand and multiboxers on the other hand go.
Quote:they do. See fleets of isboxers. Oh, you mean the ones that don't violate the EULA?
Quote:yes actually even if you would provide any "proof" in form of CCP's statement, you couldnt verifiy that. Sure we could In fact, we did many times. The sharp and immediate drop in average people online is pretty obvious.
Quote:I'm not argueing about EULA itself that much, more about the fact they allow automated isbox bots in their game. No, they don't. All detected bots are banned, and if they happen to use isboxer for some reason, it makes no difference.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3369
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Posted - 2014.03.25 10:01:00 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I cannot wait until, in his endless crusade for social justice and other such stupid things, Divine Entervention decides that having multiple accounts itself should be against the rules. 13 pages and someone still hasnt got what we argue about. Its automation by isbox not multiboxing as such (running your x clients manually).
Oh, I get it.
You're just wrong, so I pay it no mind. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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