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Amitabho Chattopadhyay
Row Row Fight the Power Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.03.24 23:07:00 -
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We're immortal. We can have endless scores of ourselves, each with a different personality and a different face, 'born' on either side of the universe with no connection but our minds. We live in our ships and come out only to places so constrictive they might as well be a simulation for our benefit. We consider enough money to buy a planet worth throwing away for a nice shirt.
Death itself is only an issue because I have to wonder how many Incognito Attainments I need to throw at my pod before this one lets me start feeling the autocannon shells sliding down my greased barrels and resting tight against my greedy little firing pins, holding snug before I send them flying out of every hole at a measurable fraction at the speed of light as my mind convulses within my still body.
Implants too, I suppose. In either case, man's most certain fate is replaced with a mild period of abstinence.
I can understand caring for all people, but what level of parochialism can someone muster to actually care about ethnicities and nations? |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
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Posted - 2014.03.24 23:11:00 -
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Care about it? Plenty.
Influence it? Uhhhh.... The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Cult of War
2292
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Posted - 2014.03.24 23:14:00 -
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Many of us are citizens of these countries, some work in these countries, and some even defend these countries.
Even a capsuleer living in Nullsec or a Wormhole should care about this stuff, at least pertaining CONCORD. CONCORD is the entire reason why your pod works, why you can claim territory, why you have ISK, why your clones grow, and why your ships fly. No CONCORD=No capsuleers. At least for now. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Nicolas Merovech
Sigma Special Tactics Group
130
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Posted - 2014.03.25 02:55:00 -
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Some choose to maintain their humanity, some choose to take the next step. It's all a matter of choice for us and that is our greatest power - not being immortal or our ability to interface with ships. We have complete control over our own destinies and fates. The only restrictions that bind us are the ones we place upon ourselves. Dr. Nicolas A. Merovech, Ph. D, M.D. |
Caroline Grace
Grace Stellar Conveyance Inc.
483
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Posted - 2014.03.25 03:14:00 -
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If you think null-sec toy soldiers would stand a chance with their silly capital fleets against any navy armada of any empire, you're an ignorant fool doomed to be burnt to ashes. The question is There are capsuleers that still don't care about imperial politics?
You're flying among the stars thanks one of those four empires (you don't care about), because they allowed you to do so (but you don't care), paying every month a PLEX (you don't care about), while CONCORD can end you at any given moment while you're in the deepest wormhole pretending to be an immortal goddess who doesn't care about imperial politics.
Pilot, I slap your butt. That's all I can really say. |
Rouen-Michel en Lefevre
1086
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Posted - 2014.03.25 03:22:00 -
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Amitabho Chattopadhyay wrote:We're immortal. We can have endless scores of ourselves, each with a different personality and a different face, 'born' on either side of the universe with no connection but our minds. We live in our ships and come out only to places so constrictive they might as well be a simulation for our benefit. We consider enough money to buy a planet worth throwing away for a nice shirt.
Death itself is only an issue because I have to wonder how many Incognito Attainments I need to throw at my pod before this one lets me start feeling the autocannon shells sliding down my greased barrels and resting tight against my greedy little firing pins, holding snug before I send them flying out of every hole at a measurable fraction at the speed of light as my mind convulses within my still body.
Implants too, I suppose. In either case, man's most certain fate is replaced with a mild period of abstinence.
I can understand caring for all people, but what level of parochialism can someone muster to actually care about ethnicities and nations?
You state that you "understand caring for all people." This is presumably because you consider yourself a part of humanity in some fashion - that what affects humanity affects you in some sense beyond the purely practical.
The reasoning is the same for the other groups and factions. If someone feels they are a part of a group - either culturally, ideologically, or in a more literal sense of citizenship and history - they may maintain a level of attachment. When faced with the tantalizing aspects of political nihilism, some choose to hold to values that are attached to more stable and situated identities.
Beyond this ideological or cultural aspect, there is plenty of practical reasoning behind the Empires remaining important to a capsuleer. Despite the oft-mentioned increasing power of capsuleers and their independent factions, the Empires and the capsuleers who involve themselves with them still have significant impact on the cluster economically, structurally, developmentally, and a variety of other easily imagined ways.
And finally, there is the most simple answer. If you care about humanity, you must ask yourself, "Where does humanity live?" In the Empires. To care about humanity but not care about the Empires would seem to be an untenable position. Nothing has a greater effect on humanity than the actions of the Empires, by quite a large margin. If you value humanity and its future, Empire business is your business. |
Apollo Lyserius
Minerva Technologies
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Posted - 2014.03.25 04:16:00 -
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The butt-slapping lady may say otherwise, but truth is, when in null-sec, capsuleers don't care about imperial politics, ethnicity or nationality. As much as Empires seem to have given up on caring about null-sec politics.
Null-sec corporations have already caused severe damage to the four empires and walked free. Those responsible for the attacks on Jita two years ago could have been ended by CONCORD easily, for exemple, but are still ruling the outer regions. Things aren't so simple anymore.
As I said, the fact is that capsuleers in null-sec don't give a frakking damn about imperial politics, about nationality or ethnicity. As I said somewhere else, in nullsec you'll see Deteis forgetting their megacorporations, True Amarr with Brutor bosses and Jin-Mei with no castes. And all happy with it.
The farthest a capsuleer is from empire, the easiest is for him to stop caring about all that. |
Amitabho Chattopadhyay
Row Row Fight the Power Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.03.25 04:19:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:Many of us are citizens of these countries, What, you vote? I could probably get Gallente citizenship tomorrow.
Quote:some work in these countries, Work? The only people you need to work for are the Caldari and Amarr. I admit the people in Dodixie are much more friendly, but Jita and Amarr are the only places really worth buying anything.
Quote:and some even defend these countries. All I know is that Amarr gives the best money.
The war in general is an artificial one, built to keep capsuleers occupied killing skeleton-crew battlecruisers with mining frigates before hibernating for twenty minutes instead of doing whatever it is commanders are afraid of capsuleers doing. It's a worthless conflict that serves no one but the industrialists who make warp core stabilisers.
Quote:Even a capsuleer living in Nullsec or a Wormhole should care about this stuff, at least pertaining CONCORD. CONCORD is the entire reason why your pod works, why you can claim territory, why you have ISK, why your clones grow, and why your ships fly. No CONCORD=No capsuleers. At least for now. You're right. I better train into a Rorqual. |
Caroline Grace
Grace Stellar Conveyance Inc.
485
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Posted - 2014.03.25 05:38:00 -
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I fail to see any damage done by capsuleers to any empire. Those two events in Jita (third is coming) were just silly toy soldier games for immortal capsuleers, burning mindlessly other capsuleers -- causing exactly zero damage to any empire, only causing minor economic damage to capsuleer market. No reason for CONCORD to take any action.
Capsuleers are not a threat to any empire because that's the condition under which empires actually allowed the capsuleers to be around in the first place (with help of CONCORD).
You don't have to care about empires and their politics and live your happy life in nullsec, pretending to be an immortal playboy and independent nutella butterfly; in the end, however, you are always the small kid connected to your former empire's parents under the supervision of CONCORD.
Sooner you accept this, less painful your dreams about the grumpy CONCORD guy will be. |
Amitabho Chattopadhyay
Row Row Fight the Power Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:14:00 -
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Caroline Grace wrote:If you think null-sec toy soldiers would stand a chance with their silly capital fleets against any navy armada of any empire, you're an ignorant fool doomed to be burnt to ashes. The question is There are capsuleers that still don't care about imperial politics? A single carrier can tank an entire system's navy for hours. I wonder how many million crew a fleet could kill before the blood and metal turned into a planetoid.
Quote:You're flying among the stars thanks one of those four empires (you don't care about), because they allowed you to do so (but you don't care), So long and thanks for all the isk.
(All five thousand of it.)
Quote:paying every month a PLEX (you don't care about), I don't know about you, but I don't need PLEXes. I think it has something to do with that recent influx of newbies buying theirs.
Quote:while CONCORD can end you at any given moment while you're in the deepest wormhole pretending to be an immortal goddess who doesn't care about imperial politics. I prefer the masculine, but I'm fairly sure CONCORD has never gone into a wormhole.
Quote:Pilot, I slap your butt. That's all I can really say. No thanks. I prefer men. |
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Bryen Verrisai
EVE University Ivy League
121
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Posted - 2014.03.25 10:08:00 -
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Amitabho Chattopadhyay wrote:A single carrier can tank an entire system's navy for hours. I feel fairly confident in stating that a single empire likely has more decommissioned carriers gathering dust in depot stations than the largest NS corps have actively manned. To say nothing of other capital ships (ships of any kind, really).
To keep a long story short: any NS corp that shows itself to be a serious, credible threat to empire security isn't going to exist very long. |
Noden Vorpalstar
The Knights of Polaris
131
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Posted - 2014.03.25 10:36:00 -
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It is an illusion for us capsuleers to believe we can completely divorce ourselves from the politics of the empires. Those who choose to do so, and it is a choice, are merely deceiving themselves. Does this deception inhibit their desires, their happiness, or their riches? No of course not. As immortals we are free to elect on which level we will care or not care.
Know this however, were any of the empires to feel threatened or feel the need for territorial expansion, the alliances, and their paper cities in null sec would crumble one system at a time. |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
4413
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Posted - 2014.03.25 11:04:00 -
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Nicolas Merovech wrote:Some choose to maintain their humanity, some choose to take the next step. Some choose both. Mane 614
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Erica Dusette
Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate
4446
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Posted - 2014.03.25 11:06:00 -
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Caroline Grace wrote:You're flying among the stars thanks one of those four empires (you don't care about), because they allowed you to do so (but you don't care), paying every month a PLEX (you don't care about), while CONCORD can end you at any given moment while you're in the deepest wormhole pretending to be an immortal goddess who doesn't care about imperial politics.
Pilot, I slap your butt. That's all I can really say. Non-caring, wormhole-dwelling, politically-ignorant goddess checking in.
Have your people get in touch with mine to arrange the spanking session at your leisure. GÖí -á-á Major (Ret.) Caldari Naval Militia Gÿá -á Sky Fighters | Just an innocent explorer! pâä -áHerrbert: "womwomwowmwoaugharwajwowoooommm"
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Karynn Denton
Clan Katanga Caravan
155
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Posted - 2014.03.25 12:06:00 -
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Generally I don't care much for the politics of the empires. Although I do keep a wary eye on the Republic; despite its spiral towards obsolescence, it still encroaches on Thukker autonomy.
And I certainly couldn't care less for ethnicity.
I'm more concerned with the nationalistic sycophants that spew out the rhetoric of their patrons without thinking for themselves. Their world is binary, black and white, with no beautiful shades of grey in between.
My ultimate contempt is reserved for CONCORD's capsuleer cheer-leaders. They support an entity who holds their clones to ransom. Who tell them where they should and shouldn't go. Who run a f***ing adverse billboard campaign against legitimate products!
I guess it shouldn't surprise me; after all, there are known cases of slaves falling in love with their masters.
Karynn Denton Caravan Master
Boosters! Boosters! Boosters! Delivered to your station - Contact me! |
Bryen Verrisai
EVE University Ivy League
123
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Posted - 2014.03.25 12:34:00 -
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Erica Dusette wrote: Have your people get in touch with mine to arrange the spanking session at your leisure.
Inquiring minds wish to know if this will be a public or private event. |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
146
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:14:00 -
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Two points in response to the original post:
1. We aren't immortal. The Amarr Scriptures promise an "End of Days" GÇö an Apocalypse GÇö in the following verse: "At the end of days when they descend Watch for the coming of the Ark For within it, salvation is carried" - The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 32:6
And so all of us shall stand before God at the Judgement and give an account for our lives.
2. God has elected a Chosen people out of the mass of humanity that you despise; in the Amarr Scriptures these elect are the Amarr themselves; in the Apocryphon, the elect are those of the faith. The invention of clone or capsule technology does not abrogate these Scriptures, and so because there are Chosen of God among the baseliners, it would be a grievous sin to treat them as so much fodder. |
Erica Dusette
Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate
4446
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:29:00 -
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Bryen Verrisai wrote:Erica Dusette wrote: Have your people get in touch with mine to arrange the spanking session at your leisure.
Inquiring minds wish to know if this will be a public or private event. Eve Uni professors?
What in Bob's name could they hope to gain from observing such a spectacle? GÖí -á-á Major (Ret.) Caldari Naval Militia Gÿá -á Sky Fighters | Just an innocent explorer! pâä -áHerrbert: "womwomwowmwoaugharwajwowoooommm"
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Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Cult of War
2298
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Posted - 2014.03.25 14:16:00 -
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Amitabho Chattopadhyay wrote: What, you vote? I could probably get Gallente citizenship tomorrow.
Of course I do! I also pay taxes, attend jury duty, and the other obligations that my citizenship requires. And of course you can get Gallente citizenship easily, that's the entire idea.
Amitobho Chattopadhyay wrote:Work? The only people you need to work for are the Caldari and Amarr. I admit the people in Dodixie are much more friendly, but Jita and Amarr are the only places really worth buying anything.
Working in the markets is only one of the many professions that exist for loyal capsuleers. And even still, you can live in nullsec and still be loyal to your homeland, which is what I do.
Amitobho Chattopadhyay wrote: The war in general is an artificial one, built to keep capsuleers occupied killing skeleton-crew battlecruisers with mining frigates before hibernating for twenty minutes instead of doing whatever it is commanders are afraid of capsuleers doing. It's a worthless conflict that serves no one but the industrialists who make warp core stabilisers.
I agree, the war in it's current state is artificial and meant for greedy people to profit. Which is why I've been very supportive of recent peaceful negotiations between the Senate and Ishukone.
Amitobho Chattopadhyay wrote: You're right. I better train into a Rorqual.
Still won't guarantee self sufficiency. The clones only work because of CONCORD so good luck with the vat bay. And as always, once your pilots licence expires, that ship isn't going anywhere.
Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Cult of War
2298
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Posted - 2014.03.25 14:22:00 -
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Amitabho Chattopadhyay wrote: I don't know about you, but I don't need PLEXes.
Then you're either not a capsuleer (which makes you a liar) or you're a liar (which makes you a liar). Your pod and neocom will not work at all without paying your dues to CONCORD. This is a fact, stop lying.
Speaking of making proper payments to CONCORD, the battle of B-R5RB? Only happened because someone forgot to pay CONCORD a bill.
I for one would like to see capsuleers become more independent from CONCORD, however the current state of things makes it impossible for us to even exist without their jurisdiction. Until pilot's licenses are suspended, SBUs power down, and clone growing becomes an independent service, you, me, and everyone in nullsec are CONCORD's bitches. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
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Jonas Wickonian
Night Raven Task Force Night Raven Alliance
8
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Posted - 2014.03.25 14:28:00 -
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all this thread has really done is convince me that i need to buy my own cloning facility and run it independently from CONCORD, i reckon i could make quite the profit from it. |
Jace Sarice
Sarshitra Corporation
219
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Posted - 2014.03.25 14:33:00 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:Bryen Verrisai wrote:Erica Dusette wrote: Have your people get in touch with mine to arrange the spanking session at your leisure.
Inquiring minds wish to know if this will be a public or private event. Eve Uni professors? What in Bob's name could they hope to gain from observing such a spectacle?
Extra credit motivation. -á |
Nicolas Merovech
Sigma Special Tactics Group
132
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:21:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Nicolas Merovech wrote:Some choose to maintain their humanity, some choose to take the next step. Some choose both.
Ixiris, respectfully, you are wrong. The empires and governments of humans are constructs that cannot contain a post-human, infomorphic consciousness that has fully embraced it's nature. However, we can choose to remain "human" and assimilate ourselves within a framework that was not constructed for our existence. Both choices can not be reconciled - it's only one or the other.
To embrace what we truly are is to abandon the flesh of humanity and, consequently, any physical or emotional relationship to the baseline human race.
To embrace our humanity is to remain within our shells and maintain our ties to the populations, cultures, governments, ideas, and rule of law that surrounds us.
Understand that nether choice is right or wrong - it comes down to what we choose to do. Choice is the greatest power we wield as capsuleers, though it appears that recognizing the nature or even the existence of our choices is still difficult. Know that every one of us has the power to shape our own world in our own image, but we cannot escape the necessity of choice. Dr. Nicolas A. Merovech, Ph. D, M.D. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
3386
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:58:00 -
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Jonas Wickonian wrote:all this thread has really done is convince me that i need to buy my own cloning facility and run it independently from CONCORD, i reckon i could make quite the profit from it.
Wonder if that was Kuvakei's first mistake? |
Amitabho Chattopadhyay
Row Row Fight the Power Test Alliance Please Ignore
20
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:22:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:Amitabho Chattopadhyay wrote: I don't know about you, but I don't need PLEXes.
Then you're either not a capsuleer (which makes you a liar) or you're a liar (which makes you a liar). Your pod and neocom will not work at all without paying your dues to CONCORD. This is a fact, stop lying.
I don't think I'm lying at all.
Quote:Speaking of making proper payments to CONCORD, the battle of B-R5RB? Only happened because someone forgot to pay CONCORD a bill.
I for one would like to see capsuleers become more independent from CONCORD, however the current state of things makes it impossible for us to even exist without their jurisdiction. Until pilot's licenses are suspended, SBUs power down, and clone growing becomes an independent service, you, me, and everyone in nullsec are CONCORD's bitches. Sov nullsec is for CONCORD bitches, yes. I can't wait for them to try something in pirate nullsec. Perhaps even save the Feythabolian people from their oppression. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
3386
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Posted - 2014.03.25 20:04:00 -
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Pirate nullsec is like Sov nullsec without the permission to put up your own tents. If anything, Concord forces you to use the existing system infrastructure, making you even MORE their bitches. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
957
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Posted - 2014.03.25 20:28:00 -
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I like to destroy gallenteans and sanshas. Just think about it.
Doing humanity a service and getting paid in the process. Isn't it the best kind of job? |
Jace Sarice
Sarshitra Corporation
548
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Posted - 2014.03.25 20:29:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Pirate nullsec is like Sov nullsec without the permission to put up your own tents. If anything, Concord forces you to use the existing system infrastructure, making you even MORE their bitches.
This. Any of the nullers that think they are somehow out of reach are unbelievably ignorant. So, we'll go no more a roving So late into the night, Though the heart be still as loving, And the moon be still as bright. |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Cult of War
2300
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Posted - 2014.03.26 00:40:00 -
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Amitabho Chattopadhyay wrote:
I have no clue what you are trying to show me.
((OOC: You seem new so I'll go easy on you. In the lore, pilots can only pay CONCORD through PLEX really. Paying with real world money, time codes, trial accounts, and buddy programs don't really exist.
That said, It might be possible to claim you use a planetary currency or something. But only because there is no real solid lore explanation how how pilots pay their licences Even PLEX is extremely vague. ))
Amitabho Chattopadhyay wrote: Sov nullsec is for CONCORD bitches, yes. I can't wait for them to try something in pirate nullsec. Perhaps even save the Feythabolian people from their oppression.
Not that that's likely to happen.
Mr. Tuulinen summed the situation in pirate null pretty well. The fact of the matter is that at the moment, capsuleers are reliant on CONCORD for a variety of services. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Erica Dusette
Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate
4454
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Posted - 2014.03.26 00:47:00 -
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Amitabho Chattopadhyay wrote:Quote:while CONCORD can end you at any given moment while you're in the deepest wormhole pretending to be an immortal goddess who doesn't care about imperial politics. I'm fairly sure CONCORD has never gone into a wormhole. Actually that did happen once.
GÖí -á-á Major (Ret.) Caldari Naval Militia Gÿá -á Sky Fighters | Just an innocent explorer! pâä -áHerrbert: "womwomwowmwoaugharwajwowoooommm"
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