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olan2005
Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:09:00 -
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Iso Anneto wrote:olan2005 wrote:Iso Anneto wrote:olan2005 wrote:Iso Anneto wrote:Seriously people? This guy could at ANY time leave the channel. He even knew what was going on (he said he did in to anyway), he could have left, he stayed because he wanted the money, it's his fault he was "tortured", simply because he was greedy. If he had cut his losses or not been greedy, he could've avoided all of this. Pure greed is the cause. And E1 being insane, but mostly greed. Thats like saying its the coppers fault for being shot , because he choose to be a police officer. The getting scammed is the victim fault. The Bonus room shenanigans is the fault of the scammers taking it too far . Um, no. It's similar but completely different, the police(wo)man is obliged to do it, it is his/her job and there are things that matter in the line, the guy lost what? Less than $40 worth of in game assets, as I said earlier, he could have left if he wanted to, he stayed because of pure greed. OK theoretically i scam you . Take all you isk and assets . Then give you a chance to get them back using the bonus room method . NOW say you have a lot of time and effort put into the game. you are going to comply due to the coercion of holding you entire eve career assets to ransom if you do not . If erotica1 action were legal why did he not use the in-game chat for this . I WILL tell why due to the fact that CCP would ban him for going to far. The coercion element of the bonus room aspect of the scam is what negates any consent given to the scammer by the victim . Still the victim should have been wiser and quit after the initial scam. The scammer should have used moderation and quit while he was ahead , instead of being a narcissistic prick But he didn't go too far. And he just used TS because it makes stages 2 and 3 easier since CCP doesn't need to act on anything since they covered their ass in the EULA.
If that recording is not going to far, then what is . From your perspective , where is the line between SCAM and outright bullying , humiliation of individuals .
How far should the scammer go after receiving all his victims assets , to reap personal enjoyment out of his victims stupidity
At what point does something go beyond a scam
WERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE |
Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
2427
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:09:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:To those of you who support the Bonus Room as a legitimate Eve activity, what is the line an Eve player would have to cross to get you to admit he did something wrong?
An activity can be "wrong" and "a legitimate eve activity" at the same time. Where you draw the line for "wrong" can be anywhere. I personally feel a bit of moral revulsion at the speech impediment thing, and also at the repeated podding for massive SP loss that previous bonus room victims have endured. Up until that point, I can even see the fun in the whole thing. As for what constitutes a legitimate activity, I would say that line (and thus getting into ban-territory) would be...
The usual stuff... racism, threats of violence, inciting the "client" to commit violence or any other criminal activity, repeated, prolonged harassment, the misuse of any obtained personal or contact information, including distributing that information to other players to abuse (obtaining said information is alone normal/ok).
Honestly? I think while the victim is voluntarily in the bonus room, you would have to try very very hard to cross the line. E1 has done so in the past and been reprimanded, and from what I can tell the bonus room no longer includes repeated podding for skillpoint loss or involves uploading images of the victim. Not entirely sure on the former one though. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Iso Anneto
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:10:00 -
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Destitute Tehol Beddict wrote:Iso Anneto wrote:
He consents to recording while being recorded... That makes lots of sense?
You sound like you're supporting E1 there, since that statement says that he consented out of the recording because if he didn't, he would've known they were recording and told them not to, but we heard nothing like that.
I don't agree with what E1 did. I have not decided my opinion on what should be done on the matter yet. I am waiting for a CCP response.
EDIT: I would also appreciate it if words aren't put in my mouth. I say what I say there's nothing more behind what I say.[/quote]
I was just saying because what you said means that there would be no recording, which means the argument of "he didn't consent/ there's no proof he consented at the beginning" would be invalidated. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5386
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:11:00 -
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Prie Mary wrote:Sentamon wrote:So I just went to the library.
A woman shows up, sits next to me, passes out and is snoring really loud. This is obviously inappropriate behavior, she obviously singled me out, she's obviously done this to other people before, and it's making me crazy.
Should I walk away, and tell one of the librarians, or is it acceptable to go into a ugly racist rant and threaten to gut her?
What does Rippard Teg and his minions think?
Clearly you must steal her wallet, phone or anything she holds dear, then proceed to wake her up and refuse to return the said goods unless she dances, sings, reads every book in the library or strips? Record the entire thing and put it on as much social media as possible. Except of course nothing was stolen, nor held ransom.
In your example you simply asked if you could have them and she gave them to you. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Capt Starfox
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
629
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:11:00 -
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olan2005 wrote:
If that recording is not going to far, then what is . From your perspective , where is the line between SCAM and outright bullying , humiliation of individuals .
How far should the scammer go after receiving all hist victims assets , to reap personal enjoyment out of his victims stupidity
At what point does something go beyond a scam
WERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE
By typing really loud. Also not knowing what you're talking about because you didn't listen to the whole event in it's entirety, just read some blog post and got all :mad:
Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
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Desivo Delta Visseroff
Cataclysmic Paradox
162
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:11:00 -
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Lucretia DeWinter wrote:Holy crap this thread is fast... Anyway, Crumplecorn wrote:Lucretia DeWinter wrote:The progression to external channels to continue the humiliation of this person and the subsequent verbal abuse, racism and threats are relevant as they are performed by members of our community under the auspice of being part of the game. While I find did find the verbal abuse, racism and threats quite distasteful, they did happen completely outside the game and so I cannot agree with Sohkar being punished for them in EVE. If we do consider the TS part of the game however, then I would say that ti should be treated the same as someone being ransomed in local. Singing a song to save your ship or whatever is nothing new. You're right. Giving some poor sap a chance to save his tackeld ship by joining you and singing I'm A Little Teapot is nothing new. And nothing I take issue with. Inviting same sap onto your TS and goading them for two hours about it until they snap? Yeah, I'll take issue with that. I have no issues with Erotica1's in game actions - cunning and ruthless as they are. I actually admire the ingenuity and genius he puts into fleecing people. Dragging people onto an external server, humiliating them for 2 hours and then publishing it for lols is okay? Really?. CCP can only act within their control. As their game and their community are essential for this event to have occurred it is IMO up to them to use what control they have to make it known that this level of greifing/emergent gameplay is considered unacceptable. Either that or they should come out and say "Yay Erotica! Wooooooo! Way to go, that was awesome!" At least we'd know where we stand. Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:So if Erotica 1 had used Eve Voice instead of TS everything would be jake right? Yes. Yes it would. Why? Because CCP can fully investigate, correctly attribute blame for any transgressions and administer appropriate sanctions. Mario Putzo wrote:http://themittani.com/features/alod-go-back-wow
Should we also ban the people behind this? Or is it ok because they didn't use TS3? No - that's different. That was an in game scam perpetrated by in game means. Congratulations on the big score for them. As above, this is reviewable by CCP as it stays within their sphere of control. Had there been any use of 'N' words, death threats or 'cruel and unusual' humiliation (e.g. for a prolonged time with no material purpose) then I would expect CCP to be able to examine those chat logs and take appropriate action against any involved (which they do.) For me, this is about how CCP need to codify that there is a standard of conduct (there is one in the EULA/TOS) and that, should external factors beyond their control be used to breach that conduct, then sanctions within their control (bans, reversals etc) can and will be administered.
Thus far, this is one of the best and most measured responses in this thread. |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
574
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:11:00 -
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Lucretia DeWinter wrote: No - that's different. That was an in game scam perpetrated by in game means. Congratulations on the big score for them. As above, this is reviewable by CCP as it stays within their sphere of control. Had there been any use of 'N' words, death threats or 'cruel and unusual' humiliation (e.g. for a prolonged time with no material purpose) then I would expect CCP to be able to examine those chat logs and take appropriate action against any involved (which they do.)
Its not different at all, but hey lets all pretend some more.
Do you think Mittani should still be playing this game? Where do you take the stick and draw a line in the sand?
If Erotica is banned for this, what of the numerous cases before him of people recording situations where people got a rise out of someone else? What about all those "toxic" Soundclouds that have been leaked over the years?
Does the client also get banned for all the threats he made to Erotica 1? Or are we banning on arbitrary opinion of a guy who makes blog articles to get page views?
Have you actually even listened to the exchange?
I mean if you can't be banned for disclosing information about someone at Fan Fest, and telling people to troll the kid until he kills himself. What can you get banned for. |
Big Lynx
The Gun Runners Space Warriors
268
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:12:00 -
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tiberiusric wrote:I have been playing this game for many many years now, and have never really been comfortable with the whole scamming thing. I think it spoils the game and actually drives people away. Scamming as become so prevalent in Eve its over taken the good aspects of it. Look at jita every single post in chat is a scam.
I dont like the fact that goonswarm do this constantly to a point its part of their culture, and sometimes the way they do it is a little creepy and weird and wrong.
But this is a whole new level, and its just not about a scam, its cyber bullying, torture at is very worse. I am sure this is certainly not the first case of this and its happening to others by other eve players.
You can hear from the start where this was going, and Erotica1 sounds really creepy tbh. They carried on for 2 hours, even when they knew the guy was getting upset, this is when you stop. Actually it should of never started.
This is for me the real darkside of eve, and where scamming takes it past gameplay. I have never played or seen a game that allows this to happen, or even breeds that type of person. The very idea of scamming has created these people, and CCP certainly has to take brunt of the blame for this as they endorse this type of behavior, but its gone a a step too far. as stated I am sure there are many Erotica1s lurking about.
This is just not scamming, its parasidic and morally wrong. Personally i would of called the police and given them the recording as people are now getting prosecuted for this type of thing. What gets me most is that there have been a few cases on twitter etc where people have committed suicide because of people like this. What if this guy did?
CCP has a duty just like twitter and others to protect its users.
However being a veteran player of this game, even after the time an investment i have made, every moral fibre in me is twitching. I am now seriously thinking do i want to pay, play or be a part of this game, ccp and its community if this is something that is happening to people. I certainly do not want to be associated with an organisation or game that endorses such actions and game play anymore.
+1 |
embrel
BamBam Inc.
142
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:12:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:There are real people going to sleep at night with empty bellies and no roof over their heads, but God forbid you white knight freaks of nature doing anything about that
So, you think that basically as long as somewhere somebody does have an empty belly all other perceived problems are irrelevant?
While there sure are huge differences in magnitude, your argument is plain silly. That there are bigger problems is no excuse not to solve the smaller ones that may actually even have a solution to them.
Otherwise you need to stop cancer research (1st world problem) as long as there is a war on this globe. Would be kinda silly, wouldn't it. |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
687
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:13:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:He says he consents to both. He does not.
What recording are you listening to?
I can't understand how you can be so completely mistaken. |
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Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
2427
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:13:00 -
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lollerwaffle wrote:I'm confused about the term 'cyber bullying'
Cyberbullying is a thing for sure, but this isn't it. For one, it is extremely difficult to walk away from most cyberbullying, as its typically carried out by real-life acquaintances, and thus it is easy to pursue the victim across various media platforms. Unlike this situation, which was a single event between complete strangers with more than adequate tools to end any and all contact from the other party. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Delicious Charen-Teng
Do Not Ride The Bomb
6
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:15:00 -
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Upde wrote:Batelle wrote:Delicious Charen-Teng wrote:I can't believe that this community is justifying a person treating another person like this. I've even heard CSM member likening people's anger against this to the behaviour of a homophobic dictator.
Is this the 'New' Eden.
Not at all sure I want to be a part of it anymore.
Better read those CSM posts more carefully then. He's merely stating that banning erotica1 is not justified in this situation. That's not the same as justifying any of erotica1's actions. this is why the situation is getting ugly. Its down to interpretation the actions were not justified by CSM but the interpretation being applied is that they are being condoned because there is no open statement saying that the out of EVE meta on TS was over the mark. We as EVE players can look at this whole situation and stick it into the "oh another QQ thread to add to all the others" put the lid on the box and move on, but now that there is more public attention being drawn onto this it is not as simple as that anymore or maybe it is. It all rests with 2 things now 1. CCP's response if any 2. Media follow up if any if 1 and 2 yield nothing then its business as usual If CCP decline to make their position known and media fan the flames then its the dangerzone because CCP will then be backed into a corner and will have to do something that might well end up affecting us all unless CCP go all YOLO and ride out any media storm that may or may not ensue.
Malcanis wrote:Tuscor wrote:Just ban Erotica1. The community does not need poisonous twats like that - and I for one am happy for the sandbox and 'emergent gameplay' to take second seat to cleaning the community of such filth. People talk about gays in very similar terms to the ones you have used in your post. Come to that, so have insane monogonadal austrian dictators.
I'm no interpreter, and it wasn't a very long read. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5386
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:15:00 -
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Perhaps we should take this conversation over to the TS user group forums, since this entire issue involves their software and what happened with/on it. It really has little, if anything, to do with EVE.
No? Because that would be silly? Because you'll be laughed at for claiming something illegal happened?
Good point. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
797
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:15:00 -
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Lucretia DeWinter wrote:Inviting same sap onto your TS and goading them for two hours about it until they snap? Yeah, I'll take issue with that. Goading for two hours? Did you even listen to the recording? They ask him to read a total of three short web pages, and sing what amounted in the end to three songs (originally it was going to be twenty supposedly).
Long and drawn out? Sure. But they weren't promising to return a single ship, they were promising to quintuple the totality of the EVE assets. For that, I'd expect long and drawn out. And they were unfailingly polite and patient the entire time, even when Sohkar became abusive.
I find it interesting that you are ok with the linked ALOD but not with the Bonus Round, since in former case it involves lying point blank to a new player to get their stuff, while in the latter case the client gambled their assets away with full knowledge of what they were doing. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
260
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:16:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Its OK buddy. We understand. But do not worry, a properly worded crime tip to the FBI and other agencies does not go unnoticed. It might take 6-8 months for them, but they will come. And with words like ' online predators ' ' luring ' 'vulnerable victims ' 'possibly underage ' 'recorded ' 'tortured and abused ' ' published on the internet ' THEY WILL COME. And you...you just visualize a cage in a zoo with a monkey in it. Puts things in perspective doesnt it. You really are scary.
Yes I am. E1 likes to abuse victims and hide behind the rules. I like to bring the real world on top of him using those same rules. |
Iso Anneto
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:16:00 -
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olan2005 wrote:
If that recording is not going to far, then what is . From your perspective , where is the line between SCAM and outright bullying , humiliation of individuals .
How far should the scammer go after receiving all his victims assets , to reap personal enjoyment out of his victims stupidity
At what point does something go beyond a scam
WERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE
I don't draw a line until it becomes an illegal activity. He should go as far as he likes. But as I said earlier, this was NOT pure stupidity, he snapped once early in the recording, which means that at least from that point on, all that kept him there was greed.
Anyway, I'm logging, it's 3 am here. |
Upde
Upde Harris Industries
49
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:17:00 -
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lollerwaffle wrote:I'm confused about the term 'cyber bullying'
To me, bullying is REAL LIFE harassment/abuse (either through physical or non-physical means), where the victim does not have the option of walking away.
What does that have to do with being harassed on the internet where all you have to do to 'walk away' is to hit the power button on your computer?
Especially seeing as how the supposed victim chose to continue to subject himself repeatedly to such behaviour, over digital pixels which have no bearing on real life? I could possibly understand it if this happened on social media like Facebook etc., where real identities mean the border between real and virtual worlds becomes slightly blurred. But over a video game, which has absolutely NO bearing on real life?
I don't like something, I turn the TV/Monitor/PC/console off and do something else. Easy.
Some people seem to go to great lengths to find something to be offended about. Weird.
not that simple mate. Its the same for people who get harassed on social media, they can chose to walk away any time they like, but people still get into hotwater. Look up cases of facebook trolling etc for reference. Its not really the same thing as what happened here as we can differentiate between a troll laying it on thick on facebook to someone whose friend just killed themselves and an EVE manipulator. In this case though lots of grey zones have been entered which make it really difficult for both CCP and outside observers to clearlyt differentiate between the game and IRL.
There are 2 camps on this case.
Camp 1 - the it was a game scam and the bonus room is levelled against the in game character Camp 2 - it was a "cyber" assault on someone emotionally and was levelled against the person driving the character and not the in game character
It will be interesting to see the official CCP position on all of this.
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lollerwaffle
Perkone Caldari State
160
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:17:00 -
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Batelle wrote:lollerwaffle wrote:I'm confused about the term 'cyber bullying' Cyberbullying is a thing for sure, but this isn't it. For one, it is extremely difficult to walk away from most cyberbullying, as its typically carried out by real-life acquaintances, and thus it is easy to pursue the victim across various media platforms. Unlike this situation, which was a single event between complete strangers with more than adequate tools to end any and all contact from the other party.
Hence my bit about the blurred lines on social media where it's carried out by real life acquaintances. Still, why would anyone subject themselves to voluntary humiliation over some internet video games if they can't take it is really beyond me, but maybe that's because I'm simple |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
574
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:18:00 -
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lollerwaffle wrote:Batelle wrote:lollerwaffle wrote:I'm confused about the term 'cyber bullying' Cyberbullying is a thing for sure, but this isn't it. For one, it is extremely difficult to walk away from most cyberbullying, as its typically carried out by real-life acquaintances, and thus it is easy to pursue the victim across various media platforms. Unlike this situation, which was a single event between complete strangers with more than adequate tools to end any and all contact from the other party. Hence my bit about the blurred lines on social media where it's carried out by real life acquaintances. Still, why would anyone subject themselves to voluntary humiliation over some internet video games if they can't take it is really beyond me, but maybe that's because I'm simple
Because he was greedy. |
Destitute Tehol Beddict
ROC Incorporated The ROC
10
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:18:00 -
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Iso Anneto wrote:Destitute Tehol wrote:
I don't agree with what E1 did. I have not decided my opinion on what should be done on the matter yet. I am waiting for a CCP response.
EDIT: I would also appreciate it if words aren't put in my mouth. I say what I say there's nothing more behind what I say.
I was just saying because what you said means that there would be no recording, which means the argument of "he didn't consent/ there's no proof he consented at the beginning" would be invalidated.
Textual consent done IN GAME would be adequate imo in terms of "consent"
(This is NOT A agreement with anything to do with E1, and really just one "technical" argument about this whole situation)
Something along the lines of
E1: Can I record and Broadcast the teams-speak bonus round Victim: yes/no
What happened after is another debate completely.
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1946
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:18:00 -
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Capt Starfox wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Can somebody please remind me how many times Sohkar left the Bonus Room....only to return?
And this question would be directed to those who actually listened to the recording in its entirety...not the sheeple who just read the blog and are therefore experts in this situation.... Relevance? You serious? Absolutely. Its irrelevant. But its a nice attempt to shift the blame from the people who did do the wrong thing onto the victim. Actually, not its pretty transparent and a bad attempt.
Somebody took his stuff, granted it was just pixels, however that's irrelevant. Whats relevant is a number of people deliberately set out to humiliate and embarrass another person without any regard for them at all. They also made fun of him because he had a speech impediment which is vilification based on disability. There are a lot of things wrong with what they did and your pathetic attempts to try to justify the behavior is, well, pathetic.
Also relevant is if it happened again and a more imbalanced person was deliberately targeted and treated the same way causing that person to harm themselves then CCP would likely be liable in part since they are now fully aware of whats occurring and doing nothing would be pretty stupid from a legal point of view.
CCP has nothing to gain by allowing this behavior to continue and potentially a lot to lose.
Want to make billions a week solo running combat sites in null sec? -á Read my Exploratation Guide here -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=309467 |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17515
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:20:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Yes I am. E1 likes to abuse victims and hide behind the rules. I like to bring the real world on top of him using those same rules. Meanwhile you like to advocate the inflicting of real world violence in a dispute over some internet spaceships, while hiding behind an anonymous avatar. I take it you don't think those self same rules apply to you, because you're obviously of a higher moral fibre than Erotica.
Yes you're scary, but not for the reasons you think you are.
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
260
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:20:00 -
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Upde wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Its OK buddy. We understand. But do not worry, a properly worded crime tip to the FBI and other agencies does not go unnoticed. It might take 6-8 months for them, but they will come. And with words like ' online predators ' ' luring ' 'vulnerable victims ' 'possibly underage ' 'recorded ' 'tortured and abused ' ' published on the internet ' THEY WILL COME. And you...you just visualize a cage in a zoo with a monkey in it. Puts things in perspective doesnt it. I think you lost credibility with this one. I seriously doubt the FBI are going to get out of bed for this. The likely outcome here is that CCP take a public hosing, E1 et al. take an EVE ass reaming i.e permaban / account loss etc, the "contestant" takes a 30 day for inciting racial hatred.................
Oh buddy, buddy. Its not MY credibility. Thats not how it works my friend.
They follow up EVERY tip. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. Its their job. They have a list, they go through every single line.
They will come. Americans dont mess around with pedophelia, online luring, **** and abuse of victims. E1 is smack down in the middle of this. And I would not associate with him. Not when FBI starts digging. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
797
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:21:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Also relevant is if it happened again and a more imbalanced person was deliberately targeted and treated the same way causing that person to harm themselves then CCP would likely be liable in part since they are now fully aware of whats occurring and doing nothing would be pretty stupid from a legal point of view. Literally exactly this could be said about blowing up ships in EVE. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
lollerwaffle
Perkone Caldari State
160
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:21:00 -
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Upde wrote:lollerwaffle wrote:I'm confused about the term 'cyber bullying'
To me, bullying is REAL LIFE harassment/abuse (either through physical or non-physical means), where the victim does not have the option of walking away.
What does that have to do with being harassed on the internet where all you have to do to 'walk away' is to hit the power button on your computer?
Especially seeing as how the supposed victim chose to continue to subject himself repeatedly to such behaviour, over digital pixels which have no bearing on real life? I could possibly understand it if this happened on social media like Facebook etc., where real identities mean the border between real and virtual worlds becomes slightly blurred. But over a video game, which has absolutely NO bearing on real life?
I don't like something, I turn the TV/Monitor/PC/console off and do something else. Easy.
Some people seem to go to great lengths to find something to be offended about. Weird. not that simple mate. Its the same for people who get harassed on social media, they can chose to walk away any time they like, but people still get into hotwater. Look up cases of facebook trolling etc for reference. Its not really the same thing as what happened here as we can differentiate between a troll laying it on thick on facebook to someone whose friend just killed themselves and an EVE manipulator. In this case though lots of grey zones have been entered which make it really difficult for both CCP and outside observers to clearlyt differentiate between the game and IRL. There are 2 camps on this case. Camp 1 - the it was a game scam and the bonus room is levelled against the in game character Camp 2 - it was a "cyber" assault on someone emotionally and was levelled against the person driving the character and not the in game character It will be interesting to see the official CCP position on all of this. Oh yes, I fully agree that facebook stuff is really blurred, as the perpetrator and victim's (in most cases just the victims though) REAL NAME/IDENTITY etc. are involved. However, in a video game, where you can play any character as anonymously as you wish, where the things you fight/scam/mine/kill rats over are just imaginary pixels, I can't see how people still subject themselves to humiliation
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Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:21:00 -
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Lucretia DeWinter wrote:For me, this is about how CCP need to codify that there is a standard of conduct (there is one in the EULA/TOS) and that, should external factors beyond their control be used to breach that conduct, then sanctions within their control (bans, reversals etc) can and will be administered.
Except for that whole glaring issue of how CCP can be expected to fairly and accurately investigate conduct that occurs outside their sphere of control. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Upde
Upde Harris Industries
49
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:21:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Perhaps we should take this conversation over to the TS user group forums, since this entire issue involves their software and what happened with/on it. It really has little, if anything, to do with EVE. No? Because that would be silly? Because you'll be laughed at for claiming something illegal happened? Good point.
or maybe its because it is related to EVE as it is the leveraging of CCP IP that gets people into the Bonus Room and the subsequent publication of said bonus room encounters is directly linked to EVE as a game. If this was just a random conversation that wasn't instigated on the back of in game activity no one would give a damn least of all CCP. But because is puts CCP, their game and their reputation into a potential meat grinder its safe to say this is very EVE related. |
Jack Lennox
Killing With a Smile
40
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:21:00 -
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Congrats kids, you've created a 150 page thread on something that is basically a non-issue when things like this are happening in real life, not in our little game world.
"Guardian" newspaper threatened to be closed http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/guardian-threatened-with-closure-over-snowden-leaks-conference-told-1.1738203
Russian military holds exercises in breakaway Moldova region http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/25/us-russia-military-exercises-idUSBREA2O1KB20140325
I love EVE but for christsake, 150 pages later
KWAS is now recruiting!-á Incursion Running, L4 Missions, Orca boosts for mining, and small gang WH PvE/PvP |
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
98
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:22:00 -
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LordOfDespair wrote:Delt0r Garsk wrote:LordOfDespair wrote:
If the majority of the players and nonplayers think this behavior is unacceptable, your argument is next to worthless.
The majority of eve players have hardly even heard of the forums let along this latest Erotica thing. They just don't care because its just not all that important. This 137 page thread and multiple news articles disagree.
There are currently ~2989 posts in this thread. Give or take the posts while writing this. Lets make it 3000. Even if that was a different person per post. That is only 10% of the people currently logged in to eve (30310). Since most of the posts are from a small number of people its not even close to that (prob ~1% or less). Since most people are not logged into eve at the same time its even far smaller (> .1%).
Most people who play eve simply don't read, or post on the forums and most probably have never heard of Erotica.
Why? Because we don't care. We are busy playing the game. |
Big Lynx
The Gun Runners Space Warriors
268
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:23:00 -
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I smell a massive lack of empathy here. sad. |
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