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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
110617
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:22:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote: They need to jump on this harshly and with haste. If they sit back and mull things over for a week, they will be screwed as I see it. Mr Epeen
Seriously. The response from them so far is akin to the initial non-release of info by Malaysian officials. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
DJentropy Ovaert
Crazy Bird Inc. The Fire Nation Syndicate
185
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:22:00 -
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Navi Annages wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Whose fault is it that he gave all his stuff away? The greedy racists fault thats who.
Just cuz it's going to drive me insane, please get rid of the ' in your signature. It's not death "threat's" - it's death "threats".
When you see the ' - just think of the word "is". He's = he is. Threats = threats.... is? Does not work.
Like in your post here and "thats" = you mean "that is". So "that's" who.
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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1257
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:22:00 -
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Buck Futz wrote:And, now, having read the actual blog....did he just call Erotica 1 EVIL?
I'm quite convinced that Ripard is the intolerable sort that whines to the coach when he gets hazed by his team-members in the men's locker room.
Of course this is theoretical. Because it would require Ripard actually setting foot in a men's locker room for something other than pilates or yoga. You know, something that doesn't require stretchy see-through pants.
Pretty much this, Jester is such a prick, im glad is out of the CSM soon. The Tears Must Flow |
Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
200
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:23:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:stop posting From: XXXXXXXXX Sent: 2014.03.26 21:13 To: LUMINOUS SPIRIT,
Dude, 20 bil isk for you if you quietly stop posting.
Interesting. E1 thinks I can be quietly bought off for a mere 20 bil? Lol? Clearly that alt of yours is getting sick of your awful shitpoasting. You should listen to him. Psychotic Monk for CSM! |
David Kir
Jellyneers ACE Li3 Federation
435
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:23:00 -
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Navi Annages wrote:David Kir wrote:
There's quite the difference between the actions and words of an angry man, and the purposeful provocation and humiliation inflicted by E1.
Anger brings out the worst of us. You can expect an angry (or a drunk) man to act as a stupid and vile person.
What's disgusting is E1's lucidity, while doing all of this.
Don't try to blame the victim.
A "racist" victim.
Yes, a racist victim.
Again, rage brings out the worst of us; an angry person is often willing to go to whatever extent in order to harm his opponent.
That, however, does not justify E1's behaviour. Friends are like cows: if you eat them, they die. |
Legetus Shmoof Metallii
Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels
2
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:24:00 -
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Navi Annages wrote:David Kir wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
No, you're the one defending a vicious and hateful racist who made death threats over video game assets, not us. There is never any excuse to do what he did, least of all some 'jerk' playing with them over teamspeak. Your stance here shows the same kind of immorality and irresponsibility as the so called 'victim'.
There's quite the difference between the actions and words of an angry man, and the purposeful provocation and humiliation inflicted by E1. Anger brings out the worst of us. You can expect an angry (or a drunk) man to act as a stupid and vile person. What's disgusting is E1's lucidity, while doing all of this. Don't try to blame the victim. A "racist" victim. Bigoted, not racist |
Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd Nulli Secunda
182
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:24:00 -
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David Kir wrote:Being podded to newbie SP condition is an accepted gameplay mechanic. All of us accept it whenever we undock.
Being provoked and humiliated, recorded and made fun of in public is not. I just provided that as an example why CCP can't claim they didn't know about the bonus room. Nothing more. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1223
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:25:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:stop posting From: XXXXXXXXX Sent: 2014.03.26 21:13 To: LUMINOUS SPIRIT,
Dude, 20 bil isk for you if you quietly stop posting.
Interesting. E1 thinks I can be quietly bought off for a mere 20 bil? Lol? To be clear, someone offered you 20 bil to literally do nothing, and you refused? You dumb.
FFS I'll post whatever anyone wants (within the rules, of course) for 20 Bil. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5438
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:25:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:Almost 200 pages of people arguing whether psychologically tormenting someone is right or wrong???What a joke society has become Nope, it's nearly 200 pages of people patiently trying to explain what psychological torment is, and it's difference from adolescent high school humor in the worst taste possible... and how adults can deal with that.
In this case, by clicking an X. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9289
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:26:00 -
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Look at all these people surprised at someone saying nasty things when provoked. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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David Kir
Jellyneers ACE Li3 Federation
436
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:26:00 -
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Myriad Blaze wrote:David Kir wrote:Being podded to newbie SP condition is an accepted gameplay mechanic. All of us accept it whenever we undock.
Being provoked and humiliated, recorded and made fun of in public is not. I just provided that as an example why CCP can't claim they didn't know about the bonus room. Nothing more.
Np, I just wanted to point that out, since lots of people around here are equating this episode to suicide ganking, scamming, ratter hunting and whatnot. Friends are like cows: if you eat them, they die. |
Danalee
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
597
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:27:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:Almost 200 pages of people arguing whether psychologically tormenting someone is right or wrong???What a joke society has become
Why do you and yours keep torturing me with utterly stupid posts? Which society are you referring to? The one where a witchunt against someone is OK or the one where death threats are ok? or the one where asking silly questions equals waterboarding and **** in some way?
D.
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Ais Hellia
The Deliberate Forces HYDRA RELOADED
35
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:27:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Look at all these people surprised at someone saying nasty things when provoked.
Can you sing a song for me please? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5438
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:27:00 -
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David Kir wrote:Myriad Blaze wrote:Interesting thread... On one side there is a gullible (and at least situationally naive) person who willingly gave away all his in-game stuff and accepted the terms of the bonus room. Which probably wasn't a good example of human intelligence. On the other side we have a clever person who took advantage of the not so clever guy. Which probably wasn't the epitome of kindness. And then things were said, stuff happened and then more things were said. And now we have a threadnought asking tons of question... Was it illegal? Is Ero a criminal now? - Ugh... serious? I don't think so... No. Was it against the EULA? Did it break the rules? - Erm... that's hard to say. It seems that it's not exactly covered in the rules. Did it happen in the game? - Well... it's somehow an edgy case. Technically it was not in the game, but it started there. Maybe we're just not asking the right questions... Can CCP do something against it? - Yes, of course. Could it harm the game? - If **** hits the fan? Yes, very much probably. The answer to the last question is the main reason why I think CCP should do something about it. That brings us to another, maybe the most important question: What should CCP do? Ero didn't really make a secret out of his bonus room. Nor is the bonus room really new. Remember the thread in GD about the guy who was podded back to newbie SP status? CCP can not claim that they didn't know. And since they didn't do anything about it then, doing something drastic now would be unfair. Because with no warnings given Ero was in his rights to believe not being in the red with CCP. It would have been easy for CCP to approach Ero and tell him discreetly to shut down the bonus room "or else". It's still possible to do that and simply lock this thread for the excessive trolling going on on both sides. Btw, I did say last November, that I wouldn't suggest to draw that much attention to the bonus room. I guess I'm not always wrong. Being podded to newbie SP condition is an accepted gameplay mechanic. All of us accept it whenever we undock. Being provoked and humiliated, recorded and made fun of in public is not. If you voluntarily submit yourself to it, it is.
And yes, people do it quite voluntarily all the time... as in this case. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5444
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:27:00 -
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David Kir wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
No, you're the one defending a vicious and hateful racist who made death threats over video game assets, not us. There is never any excuse to do what he did, least of all some 'jerk' playing with them over teamspeak. Your stance here shows the same kind of immorality and irresponsibility as the so called 'victim'.
There's quite the difference between the actions and words of an angry man, and the purposeful provocation and humiliation inflicted by E1. Anger brings out the worst of us. You can expect an angry (or a drunk) man to act as a stupid and vile person. What's disgusting is E1's lucidity, while doing all of this. Don't try to blame the victim.
Anger is an excuse for death threats and racism. Man, those *** guys must be continually pissed.
While I hate to use a real life example, I'll do it here. It's like self defense. You can defend your self against someone else trying to hurt you, but there is a limit to that. A guy slaps you in the face makes you angry and justifies self defense, but thats no reason to kill the guy, chop him up , kidnap his family and force feed his remains to them (srry, was watcing Southpark).
More than once I've seen someone go too far in self defense (like for example chasing down a guy who snatched an iphone, getting the iphone back the procedding to stomp the theif to the point where he ends up with brain damage and multiple broken bones) and the result has been the appropriate one: the original attacker is usually convicted where as the person who went too far gets even more time.
That's what should happen here. If somehting happens to Erotica1 (and well, who knows, it might be justified), the racist guy throwing real life death threats should get even more. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9289
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:27:00 -
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I'm also especially curious about this because it seems to me the people defending Erotica 1 are many of the same people who more or less wanted The Mittani burned at the stake two years ago. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
206
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:27:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Look at all these people surprised at someone saying nasty things when provoked. They are surprised because normal people do not go into fits of rage and spew expletives, racial slurs and death threats when asked to sing a song for video game money. Psychotic Monk for CSM! |
Hendrick Tallardar
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
152
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:28:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote: So this DJ guy gets raging mad at me. Others can tell you who he is, most will get the reference. Anyway, I had the misfortune of having gotten on his radar and nothing I could say would calm this guy down. I was told to drop my CSM run and do a number of things otherwise they would expose some real life dirt they found on me, since I had released my NAME to address the people thinking the CSM thing was a troll. I had no idea people would stoop this low over internet spaceships. (oops again.)
If I get one more iota of harassment of this I will release the blackmailers eve-online name. Most people can guess.
You're accusing Darius JOHNSON, aka the man formerly known as CCP Sreegs, of blackmail.
Have fun with that in your fanstasy land. LeeSsang. Never Forget. |
Navi Annages
The Scope Gallente Federation
126
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:28:00 -
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David Kir wrote:Navi Annages wrote:David Kir wrote:
There's quite the difference between the actions and words of an angry man, and the purposeful provocation and humiliation inflicted by E1.
Anger brings out the worst of us. You can expect an angry (or a drunk) man to act as a stupid and vile person.
What's disgusting is E1's lucidity, while doing all of this.
Don't try to blame the victim.
A "racist" victim. Yes, a racist victim. Again, rage brings out the worst of us; an angry person is often willing to go to whatever extent in order to harm his opponent. That, however, does not justify E1's behaviour.
Hey man anyones behavior on the outside world is there own choosing. Who is anyone to judge? The constitution allows it. Go read whatever religious text consoles you on the matter. Sohkar will goto Jail over this. His Children will talk to him through a glass wall through a telephone. Mrs. Sohkar will be crying in the backgroud. At the end of the day Mr. Sohkar could have done things differently. Don't make death threat's kids. It breaks the law. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5444
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:29:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Look at all these people surprised at someone saying nasty things when provoked.
Provocations tend to reveal the real person. There is no provocation in EVE or on a TS channel about EVE that justifies death threats or racial abuse. |
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Legetus Shmoof Metallii
Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels
4
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:29:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:Almost 200 pages of people arguing whether psychologically tormenting someone is right or wrong???What a joke society has become well one side likes to defend the behavior of someone who likes to agitate and hurt other players feelings and wallet, makes fun of those who they dislike in a very arrogant way, and make it their goal in EVE to be jerks to those who mine. So I don't see why you are surprised that people from that mindset, being CODE and groups with the same or similar goals, would take E1s side |
Iudicium Vastus
Incognito Holdings and Savings
240
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:29:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Hi, my name is Bob. I recently wagered all of my life savings at the Tops in New Vegas in an attempt to double my wealth. I had a 7 and an ace in my hand and the dealer was showing a 5. I doubled down, it was a sure thing. But the **** drew to 21 and I didn't. I lost all my money, so I asked them to give it back. Casino said no. I cried, then I yelled real loud. I may have hit a desk or two, then I may have said some 'stuff. Should've bought a goddam luck implant instead.
A bit more accurate comparison was if the Casino asked for all your stuff for a more private little game. Then after getting all your money in into one pot they take you somewhere else. Somewhere outside the Casino walls, away from the security cameras and employee eyes (maybe the empty dirty alleyway) and had you perform tricks and songs for their amusement, rather than playing any sort of real game of chance or skill with a clear end-game or win scenario. All while holding your money to goad and pressure you on and on for laughs, while recording it to relive themselves again and again, and quite likely publicly share as well. Nerf stabs/cloaks in FW? No, just.. -Fit more points -Fit faction points -Bring a friend or two with points (an alt is fine too) |
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
645
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:29:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:Almost 200 pages of people arguing whether psychologically tormenting someone is right or wrong???What a joke society has become Nope, it's nearly 200 pages of people patiently trying to explain what psychological torment is, and it's difference from adolescent high school humor in the worst taste possible... and how adults can deal with that. In this case, by clicking an X.
One human being humiliating someone else for a whole 2 hours until breaking point, and we're not sure if its psychological torment????
Again I repeat ; What a joke ! Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5444
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:30:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I'm also especially curious about this because it seems to me the people defending Erotica 1 are many of the same people who more or less wanted The Mittani burned at the stake two years ago.
I defended Mittens. What he did was wrong but the real truth is that people who didn't like him used it as leverage to hurt him.
Same thing here. Much of the passion of the witch-hunt crowd is personal dislike of Erotica1. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9289
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:30:00 -
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Hendrick Tallardar wrote:Erotica 1 wrote: So this DJ guy gets raging mad at me. Others can tell you who he is, most will get the reference. Anyway, I had the misfortune of having gotten on his radar and nothing I could say would calm this guy down. I was told to drop my CSM run and do a number of things otherwise they would expose some real life dirt they found on me, since I had released my NAME to address the people thinking the CSM thing was a troll. I had no idea people would stoop this low over internet spaceships. (oops again.)
If I get one more iota of harassment of this I will release the blackmailers eve-online name. Most people can guess.
You're accusing Darius JOHNSON, aka the man formerly known as CCP Sreegs, of blackmail. Have fun with that you shithead. This goes back much further actually. He accused DJ of hacking into his personal email when his character beancounter Jaynara was still in GSF. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Danalee
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
597
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:31:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I'm also especially curious about this because it seems to me the people defending Erotica 1 are many of the same people who more or less wanted The Mittani burned at the stake two years ago.
I didn't and don't want anyone burned wherever. The Mittani did do a mean/stupid thing while drunk and said faux-pass was in every way 100X worse than the silly prank Ero played and plays on dumb greedy people.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
885
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:31:00 -
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Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Bayonnefrog wrote:I found the soundcloud for one of the mayonnaise bonus room incidents alluded to earlier in this thread and others. Erotica 1 mayonnaise + picture audioAll I can say is creepy. Just creepy. Probably best to not have our game involved in stuff like this. Didn't erotica in this very thread SWEAR the mayonnaise thing never happened? He/She LIED? How shocking. I smell the stink of desperation. He claimed there were no "mayo" pics which was a claim based on people in the bonus round smearing themselves with mayonnaise. That was claimed way back in the Erotica1 for CSM thread.
I was fairly critical of that back thrn, so just listened to that recording to see what evidence there was that this might be true when Ero claimed earlier that there was no such thing.
In the 54 min 50 sec recording, the word mayonnaise comes up at the 46 min 17 second mark relating to putting mayonnaise in his mouth amd dribbling down his chin. Nothing deeper or more sinister then thst.
So im struggling to see a lie in what Eoritca 1 wrote about the mayo pics, at least on the basis ofthat recording.
Thats part of the problem with this thread. Lots of untrue and half true statements being used, but thst behaviour only being attributed to one person.
Its possibep to disagree with a play style without vilifying anyone, but torches and pitch forks is more the mob mentality approach. In the end, it doesnt do any good for anyone. eve-bazaar - Discount prices on ships and PLEX. Real savings to drive your ISK further. |
Yang Amon
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:31:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:Anomaly One wrote:if Erotica 1 gets banned ****. this. game.
You're gonna tell me that an idiot who willfully stays that long singing songs and humiliating himself deserves any kind of sympathy, so now we're gonna protect idiots? oh how sad..
and holy **** seriously 180 pages?????? The issue isn't protecting idiots (enough of them buy into scams on the market on a daily basis to fund a small African nation off of RMT). The issue is harassment of an individual. Scams are not the issue, it's people who drag stuff like this out in order to get kicks to it, which in most cases if they did this in real life, many would agree that they are "not the best person around". Scams are a business. Harassment and public shaming of a victim via recordings of him and such should be where we draw the line in this game, if for the simple fact it makes the rest of the playerbase look terrible and nothing else. How Erotica 1 can be defended for this I fail to see as it is a detestable action to publicly name, shame, and have your recordings of people being tormented put online for others to laugh at and take pleasure in. If I invite you onto my TS3 And I make fun of you It is not harassment if you choose to stay and participate
Bullies find personalities that are not WILLING to be bullied or opt for it voluntarily, but they find personalities that are subject to being bullied.
You are taking your comparison out of context hence it has no value. There was a person who committed suicide after getting scammed out of his money. Can I say that "if I ask you to send me $20k and you do it and commit suicide afterwards, is this my fault"? But instead, was this poor individual lured into the hoax by hope, maybe initial signs of good faith from scammer, was he desperate, was he depressed? Would you or me or 95% of people in eve-online forums for fall that hoax? It simply doesn-¦t matter. Line is crossed by moving from scamming in-game to personal bullying or harassment that can have really severe consequences.
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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1227
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:31:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I'm also especially curious about this because it seems to me the people defending Erotica 1 are many of the same people who more or less wanted The Mittani burned at the stake two years ago. I've grown as a human being since then. Also, it was a mistake tbh. The next CSM after Mittens left sucked ass, to be perfectly honest. Since then I've lost my taste for witch hunts, they usually end up being counterproductive.
What can I say, some of us learn from our mistakes. |
Navi Annages
The Scope Gallente Federation
126
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:31:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:Almost 200 pages of people arguing whether psychologically tormenting someone is right or wrong???What a joke society has become Nope, it's nearly 200 pages of people patiently trying to explain what psychological torment is, and it's difference from adolescent high school humor in the worst taste possible... and how adults can deal with that. In this case, by clicking an X. One human being humiliating someone else for a whole 2 hours until breaking point, and we're not sure if its psychological torment???? Again I repeat ; What a joke !
What breaking point? There are only tears of deliciousness in that audio file. And guess what? It's all legal. Sohkar will goto Jail over this. His Children will talk to him through a glass wall through a telephone. Mrs. Sohkar will be crying in the backgroud. At the end of the day Mr. Sohkar could have done things differently. Don't make death threat's kids. It breaks the law. |
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