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DJentropy Ovaert
Crazy Bird Inc. The Fire Nation Syndicate
191
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:59:00 -
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David Kir wrote: I don't care about criminal charges. I care about a type of behaviour that I would only call disgusting.
They are both at fault, but Erotica 1's actions are what caused his reaction.
Furthermore, E1 was not harmed by all of this. Sokhar was.
Wrong, Sir.
Erotica1 played on Sokhar's greed, and got him to make a idiot of himself. That does not justify his reaction in any way.
Since this thread is full of BS analogy, let me throw one out there for you people.
There's something adults who are able to form complete sentences like to think about sometimes, and it's called "escalation of force." For example - in many places of the world, if you are attacked in a bar fight by a drunk gentlemen throwing right hooks, and you respond by pulling a Glock and shooting said gentleman in the face, you very well may be going to prison for murder.
Erotica1 making Sokhar look like a fool by playing on his greed - I could see that justifying a "f-you, buddy!" or a simple disconnect from TS3, a block, and moving on with life. I see it justifing adding Erotica1 to your watch list, gathering your friends, running location agents, and camping his station down 23.5/7. Attempting to justify actual RL death threats and some of the most awful racist ranting I have ever personally heard is beyond silly.
Again, Sokhar could have all the e-sympathy in the world if he would simply HTFU, and admit that the death threats and nbombs were uncalled for, that he regrets what he said, and that he is sorry we all heard him engage in that kind of behavior.
I've already offered him every single dime that Erotica1 scammed out of him, and I am sure others would match me. |
Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
9722
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:59:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:David Kir wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
Anger is an excuse for death threats and racism. Man, those *** guys must be continually pissed.
While I hate to use a real life example, I'll do it here. It's like self defense. You can defend your self against someone else trying to hurt you, but there is a limit to that. A guy slaps you in the face makes you angry and justifies self defense, but thats no reason to kill the guy, chop him up , kidnap his family and force feed his remains to them (srry, was watcing Southpark).
More than once I've seen someone go too far in self defense (like for example chasing down a guy who snatched an iphone, getting the iphone back the procedding to stomp the theif to the point where he ends up with brain damage and multiple broken bones) and the result has been the appropriate one: the original attacker is usually convicted where as the person who went too far gets even more time.
That's what should happen here. If somehting happens to Erotica1 (and well, who knows, it might be justified), the racist guy throwing real life death threats should get even more.
Yes. But your real life analogy is not accurate. E1 was not harmed here. You can say whatever you want, but no harm came of this to Erotica 1. The one and only harmed person, here, is the gullible man called Sokhar. He was provoked and humiliated, recorded and made fun of. No one said anything about Erotica1 being hurt, HOWEVER Erotica1 was subjected to death threats, which is WAY worse than losing some video game assets because you were greedy. That is the point. Sohkar or whatever his name was had a right to be mad. He had no right to break the law and spew racist abuse at anyone. He went too far. To proper thing to have done was tell erotica1 to go screw himself (which isn't a threat but rather a fun at home activity) and disconnect. That he did not makes his actions more reprehensible than anything Erotica1 did or could have done. *Cough* "Proximate cause" If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg |
Capt Starfox
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
666
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:59:00 -
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Coffee Rocks wrote: Dear Erotica,
Long time no see o/. Since I first joined EVE, you've been in the corner of my eye. You put Erotica1 in a noob HS Aussie corp that took me in and tried to teach me a little about EVE (I believe I was 1-2 months along? tops?). For their trouble, you spied out their POS's, had beancounter (alt) Wardec them, and blew up my Cormorant. But, you also took me aside, explained that my fitting was bad and how to improve it, and kicked me ISK to help me along. This was an important lesson in the harshness I had heard about EVE, but also that - hey! maybe even the "baddies" are still respectful, well-meaning members of the EVE community, right? Right? Well sometimes yes, but...
Well, after that you still had me in private convo, so you bragged about your wallet. You flashed me a gif of the total. I asked how you managed to acquire so much. Then you start flashing me images of conversations you'd trolled out of ISK doubling schemes. Tons and tons of them. You seemed to drag these convo's out forever. I remember one I was reading, thinking at the time "Criminy... he's not preying on this guy's greed; he's getting off on this guy's loneliness and despair".
Since then, I've always kept your activities in the corner of my eye. Kind of the same way a person might keep an eye on the old neighbor that always seems to stare way too long out his bay window at the local children playing in the street. I heard about the mayo incident, the C&P threads you and your alts would troll until they were locked, the 'pod yourself to alpha clone' incident, the murmurs and rumors that you were behind scam websites like EVE-Bazaar.com, and countless other stories like these. I've seen the CODE nonsense you band about. Your CSM 'attempts'. I even saw your hissy fit when CCP restored that one guy's SP. I thought you quit the game at that point... guess that was too much to hope.
After that first encounter, you offered to take me in and teach me the ropes. I politely declined and went on my way. Why didn't I take you up on that offer? Because of those convo's you showed me. There's scamming... and then there's what you do. It's cruel. It's creepy.
Parting an idiot from his ISK? By all means - go nuts people. But that's not what you're doing. Sure, you do scam them, but as a means to an end. It's not about the scam. You want to humiliate them. Poke them. Toy with them. Make them cry.
That's not gameplay, and this behavior sure as hell has no place being 'acceptable' in my sandbox. If I'm not being clear enough, I'm saying that I agree you and your alt accounts need a swift and permanent ban.
If anyone doesn't agree with it, you are welcome to follow him out the airlock.
/ Coffee
Sounds like you're the typical carebear who see's something he doesn't like/agree with and demands CCP intervention with out lifting a finger to do anything himself all the while believing anything that's shoved down your throat as long as it supports your beliefs; and also cause it's easy. Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
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David Kir
Jellyneers ACE Li3 Federation
446
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:00:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote: I don't see any harm done to Sokhar at all, except to perhaps his pride.
I'd politely ask you to read this post out loud, and perhaps sing a song for me, but apparently that would allow you to justifiably react somewhat violently as it would alter your frame of mind.
I do. I can see how a person can feel abused, after being subjected to provocations and humiliation for over two hours.
And I don't care about what you see. You are entitled to your own opinion. Friends are like cows: if you eat them, they die. |
Coffee Rocks
Thrall Nation Brave Collective
78
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:00:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: This way of thinking is wrong.
You are correct - your line of thinking is wrong. You and the others are presenting a laundry list of every logical fallacy in attempts to derail the thread, troll, or defend Erotica1. I'm done with you now, you can go away. /shoo
To those that aren't Erotica alts and/or fans: I'm only even responding so I can say later "I told people to stop hand feeding the idiots, but they just couldn't help it."
If you don't understand: I'm saying to stop letting them get off subject and zerg the thread for another 10 pages on straw man arguments. They are either trolling you, or just trying to keep the thread off topic. Be smart - close the window and walk away.
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dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1176
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:00:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Damn, I wish I was that effective in my posting.
Dude, 20 isk for you if you quietly stop posting I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5453
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:01:00 -
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David Kir wrote:
But the racial abuse did not happen within EULA domain. Neither did Erotica 1's actions.
You have an issue with reading comprehension: I have already stated that I do not care about what happens to the two of them: I am only arguying the resons of my positions on this matter.
I find Erotica 1's behaviour disgusting, and that's what I'm arguing.
if you are arguing nothing, why ar eyou wasting your time with posting.
What im tellling you is that you posistion is simply incorrect. You and everyone else are free to find the actions disgusting if you like. But the fact that you find those action disgusting but them make excuses for RACISM and DEATH THREATS says worse things about you than Erotica1s' creepy actions say about him. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9304
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:01:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Riot Girl wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:The only purpose is to humiliate the victim for as long as possible. The assets are already taken so there's no other point to it. Completely false. It's about ISK only. pleeeeease! Don't make me 'like' member of goonswarm! He looks really smart comparing to you Seriously: respect to James Amril-Kesh. I didn't expect such posts from him. I'm sure there's at least one member of Goonswarm who agrees with what I've said here. I'm sure there are more who would call me a blabbering idiot. My opinions are my own. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Danalee
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
598
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:02:00 -
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DJentropy Ovaert wrote:David Kir wrote: I don't care about criminal charges. I care about a type of behaviour that I would only call disgusting.
They are both at fault, but Erotica 1's actions are what caused his reaction.
Furthermore, E1 was not harmed by all of this. Sokhar was.
Wrong, Sir. Erotica1 played on Sokhar's greed, and got him to make a idiot of himself. That does not justify his reaction in any way. Since this thread is full of BS analogy, let me throw one out there for you people. There's something adults who are able to form complete sentences like to think about sometimes, and it's called "escalation of force." For example - in many places of the world, if you are attacked in a bar fight by a drunk gentlemen throwing right hooks, and you respond by pulling a Glock and shooting said gentleman in the face, you very well may be going to prison for murder. Erotica1 making Sokhar look like a fool by playing on his greed - I could see that justifying a "f-you, buddy!" or a simple disconnect from TS3, a block, and moving on with life. I see it justifing adding Erotica1 to your watch list, gathering your friends, running location agents, and camping his station down 23.5/7. Attempting to justify actual RL death threats and some of the most awful racist ranting I have ever personally heard is beyond silly. Again, Sokhar could have all the e-sympathy in the world if he would simply HTFU, and admit that the death threats and nbombs were uncalled for, that he regrets what he said, and that he is sorry we all heard him engage in that kind of behavior. I've already offered him every single dime that Erotica1 scammed out of him, and I am sure others would match me.
Why are you making sense in this cesspit of a thread?
D.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
11480
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:02:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Navi Annages wrote:DJentropy Ovaert wrote:Batelle wrote:
Anyone else find this implausible? Has luminous posted anything in this thread worth paying to keep quiet? Or anything worth the effort of sending a mail?
As we say on the internet - pics or it never happened. Exactly. http://postimg.org/image/4ws6f3hc9/
You are talking to someone who ganked his own freighter to prove he wasn't his own alt. Sending a mail to myself from an anonymous alt is ******* childs play, I do it all the time for corp infiltration alts. That's like...altcraft 101. So far, you are sticking to my analogy of the wildly flailing kid fighting on the playground. Im not calling you immature by any means, im just trying to paint a picture. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5442
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:02:00 -
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David Kir wrote:Ranger 1 wrote: I don't see any harm done to Sokhar at all, except to perhaps his pride.
I'd politely ask you to read this post out loud, and perhaps sing a song for me, but apparently that would allow you to justifiably react somewhat violently as it would alter your frame of mind.
I do. I can see how a person can feel abused, after being subjected to provocations and humiliation for over two hours. And I don't care about what you see. You are entitled to your own opinion. You forgot the word voluntarily. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
DJentropy Ovaert
Crazy Bird Inc. The Fire Nation Syndicate
191
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:02:00 -
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dexington wrote:
I don't know what sandbox means anymore, so i have to ask... Are you advocating getting weapons and striking next time he goes out to build a sandcastle?
Yes, I am! Just think - if all the people who had been scammed and totally owned by Erotica1 just stopped crying, banded together, communicated with eachother and formed a actual force - they could knock over every single sandcastle Erotica1 could ever build in Eve.
Plus - that creates content and makes our universe a more fun place to live in! Just think of the headlines. It could be epic. But, in true carebear victim mentality style - all we are going to get is a bunch of greedy players who got played throwing fits and begging CCP to fight their battles for them. Truly pathetic.
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David Kir
Jellyneers ACE Li3 Federation
446
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:02:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
If you are arguing nothing, why ar eyou wasting your time with posting?
What im tellling you is that you posistion is simply incorrect.
You and everyone else are free to find the actions disgusting if you like. But the fact that you find those action disgusting but then make excuses for RACISM and DEATH THREATS says worse things about you than Erotica1s' creepy actions say about him.
Because I want to.
Also, as another forum user kindly suggested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proximate_cause Friends are like cows: if you eat them, they die. |
Drone 16
Law Dogz
86
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:03:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Navi Annages wrote:
"Get Bent"
I passed you in Amarr an hour ago I think. or your alt, who used that phrase. So, how is scamming going in Amarr? Lure any children with promises of isk today? or just adults?
"Get bent" by whom? In which direction? Sounds painful and possibly...deadly. OMG it's a death threat! que histrionics and had wringing from Navi.
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DJentropy Ovaert
Crazy Bird Inc. The Fire Nation Syndicate
191
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:04:00 -
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Danalee wrote:Why are you making sense in this cesspit of a thread? D.
It's a awful habit that I have and Eve is slowing breaking me of it :P |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5442
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:04:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:March rabbit wrote:Riot Girl wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:The only purpose is to humiliate the victim for as long as possible. The assets are already taken so there's no other point to it. Completely false. It's about ISK only. pleeeeease! Don't make me 'like' member of goonswarm! He looks really smart comparing to you Seriously: respect to James Amril-Kesh. I didn't expect such posts from him. I'm sure there's at least one member of Goonswarm who agrees with what I've said here. I'm sure there are more who would call me a blabbering idiot. My opinions are my own. I will always give James this, while I often disagree with him, he always speaks his mind plainly. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
David Kir
Jellyneers ACE Li3 Federation
446
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:04:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:David Kir wrote:Ranger 1 wrote: I don't see any harm done to Sokhar at all, except to perhaps his pride.
I'd politely ask you to read this post out loud, and perhaps sing a song for me, but apparently that would allow you to justifiably react somewhat violently as it would alter your frame of mind.
I do. I can see how a person can feel abused, after being subjected to provocations and humiliation for over two hours. And I don't care about what you see. You are entitled to your own opinion. You forgot the word voluntarily.
You forgot that he never agreed to being provoked and humiliated. He agreed to singing (et caetera).
There's a difference between agreeing to dig a well and then being told to dig ten. Friends are like cows: if you eat them, they die. |
JediRobin
Globaltech Industries Yulai Federation
10
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:04:00 -
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+1 I fully agree with Jester
It's about time CCP cleans up the scumbags like this. |
Sarah Flynt
Federation Interstellar Resources
16
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:05:00 -
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Navi Annages wrote:Right would this angry man known as Sohkar have any affiliations with the recent Malaysian jet that went missing? Was he angry then? Does he get angry often? Seriously? What is wrong with you? |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1657
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:05:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Time to flog the dead horse again.
The issue as I see it is not who should be punished. It's what should CCP be doing about this?
CCP should ban everyone in Goonswarm for torturing me all these years. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
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DJentropy Ovaert
Crazy Bird Inc. The Fire Nation Syndicate
192
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:06:00 -
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Sarah Flynt wrote:Navi Annages wrote:Right would this angry man known as Sohkar have any affiliations with the recent Malaysian jet that went missing? Was he angry then? Does he get angry often? Seriously? What is wrong with you?
/me puts on his wizard hat and robe |
Navi Annages
The Scope Gallente Federation
136
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:06:00 -
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JediRobin wrote:+1 I fully agree with Jester
It's about time CCP cleans up the scumbags like this.
I agree. Clear EVE of Racist Biggots. Sohkar will goto Jail over this. His Children will talk to him through a glass wall through a telephone. Mrs. Sohkar will be crying in the backgroud. At the end of the day Mr. Sohkar could have done things differently. Don't make death threat's kids. It breaks the law. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2979
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:06:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Riot Girl wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:The only purpose is to humiliate the victim for as long as possible. The assets are already taken so there's no other point to it. Completely false. It's about ISK only. pleeeeease! Don't make me 'like' member of goonswarm! He looks really smart comparing to you Seriously: respect to James Amril-Kesh. I didn't expect such posts from him. Well he's a smart guy. I don't know if he's really that smart compared to me though.
Oh god. |
Druthlen
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:06:00 -
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What makes me really sick is that these psychopaths are trying to convince themselves this was gameplay even though they had absolutely nothing to gain from continuing once they had his assets. After that it was all about the tears and was completely personal attack on a human being. They cant see that. They cant tell where the char ends and the human begins. I wonder if they would consider drama at an eve event emergent gameplay. After all its an eve event and therefore ingame following their logic. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5455
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:06:00 -
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Ila Dace wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:David Kir wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
Anger is an excuse for death threats and racism. Man, those *** guys must be continually pissed.
While I hate to use a real life example, I'll do it here. It's like self defense. You can defend your self against someone else trying to hurt you, but there is a limit to that. A guy slaps you in the face makes you angry and justifies self defense, but thats no reason to kill the guy, chop him up , kidnap his family and force feed his remains to them (srry, was watcing Southpark).
More than once I've seen someone go too far in self defense (like for example chasing down a guy who snatched an iphone, getting the iphone back the procedding to stomp the theif to the point where he ends up with brain damage and multiple broken bones) and the result has been the appropriate one: the original attacker is usually convicted where as the person who went too far gets even more time.
That's what should happen here. If somehting happens to Erotica1 (and well, who knows, it might be justified), the racist guy throwing real life death threats should get even more.
Yes. But your real life analogy is not accurate. E1 was not harmed here. You can say whatever you want, but no harm came of this to Erotica 1. The one and only harmed person, here, is the gullible man called Sokhar. He was provoked and humiliated, recorded and made fun of. No one said anything about Erotica1 being hurt, HOWEVER Erotica1 was subjected to death threats, which is WAY worse than losing some video game assets because you were greedy. That is the point. Sohkar or whatever his name was had a right to be mad. He had no right to break the law and spew racist abuse at anyone. He went too far. To proper thing to have done was tell erotica1 to go screw himself (which isn't a threat but rather a fun at home activity) and disconnect. That he did not makes his actions more reprehensible than anything Erotica1 did or could have done. *Cough* " Proximate cause"
Proximate cause doesn't give you the right to break the law or over-react. If someone runs a red light and hits another car and the driver of the car that got hit beheads the other guy and wears his skull as a helmet, can he claim 'proximate cause' and not get locked up for the rest of his days lol?
As I said, there is no level of provocation that can justify death threats and racial abuse. |
Danalee
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
598
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:06:00 -
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David Kir wrote:
You forgot that he never agreed to being provoked and humiliated. He agreed to singing (et caetera).
There's a difference between agreeing to dig a well and then being told to dig ten.
So he agreed to singing and how did he get humiliated again?
D.
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Navi Annages
The Scope Gallente Federation
136
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:07:00 -
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DJentropy Ovaert wrote:Sarah Flynt wrote:Navi Annages wrote:Right would this angry man known as Sohkar have any affiliations with the recent Malaysian jet that went missing? Was he angry then? Does he get angry often? Seriously? What is wrong with you? /me puts on his wizard hat and robe
Holy cow you know of bloodninja???? Sohkar will goto Jail over this. His Children will talk to him through a glass wall through a telephone. Mrs. Sohkar will be crying in the backgroud. At the end of the day Mr. Sohkar could have done things differently. Don't make death threat's kids. It breaks the law. |
DJentropy Ovaert
Crazy Bird Inc. The Fire Nation Syndicate
192
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:08:00 -
[3868] - Quote
Navi Annages wrote: Holy cow you know of bloodninja????
I'm oldschool like that :)
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Navi Annages
The Scope Gallente Federation
136
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:08:00 -
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DJentropy Ovaert wrote:Navi Annages wrote: Holy cow you know of bloodninja????
I'm oldschool like that :)
Your over 9000 in my book now. Sohkar will goto Jail over this. His Children will talk to him through a glass wall through a telephone. Mrs. Sohkar will be crying in the backgroud. At the end of the day Mr. Sohkar could have done things differently. Don't make death threat's kids. It breaks the law. |
Upde
Upde Harris Industries
57
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:08:00 -
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Drone 16 wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Navi Annages wrote:
"Get Bent"
I passed you in Amarr an hour ago I think. or your alt, who used that phrase. So, how is scamming going in Amarr? Lure any children with promises of isk today? or just adults? "Get bent" by whom? In which direction? Sounds painful and possibly...deadly. OMG it's a death threat! que histrionics and had wringing from Navi.
this sounds like a job for Bender J Rodriguez....................... |
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