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Salvos Rhoska
753
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:00:00 -
[5191] - Quote
There is no witch-hunt.
This is the community expressing its condemnation of Erotica1's conduct.
Its up to CCP to deliberate on what, if anything, is to be done, but everyone here is perfectly justified to express that they do not condone his conduct. |
LordOfDespair
Capsuleer Combat Training Services
48
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:00:00 -
[5192] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote:
What **** analogy? Clearly you missed the point of the quote so, let me spell it out for you.
Social injustice is EVERYONE'S problem, and witch hunting is a social injustice, with the Socialists, Trade Unions and Jews as the witches. You think only ***** hate on Jews? Have you been to Infowars lately?
I would not be surprised, actually, if it was your go-to 'news' service.
How did you come up with any of that?
Ad hominem at its best. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
869
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:00:00 -
[5193] - Quote
embrel wrote:Scamming is fine, ganking is fine, I like Eve. But I don't see how you can consider it fun to set up such a room. Nice of you to show the true basis of your post right at the end. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
4712
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:01:00 -
[5194] - Quote
All isk, assets, and skillpoints will be freely given up as the bonus round continues. I will read speeches, sing songs, and do other silly things.
EVE is just a game and we should all be able to win and lose stuff without attaching too much seriousness.
Thanks to CCP for an awesome sandbox. When I have a bit more time, I'll write a short 10 or so page response on this matter. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1184
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:01:00 -
[5195] - Quote
La Nariz wrote:This thread is proof highsec needs to be nerfed.
0/10 I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2905
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:01:00 -
[5196] - Quote
Salvos Rhoska wrote:Here is your testimony: Alana Charen-Teng wrote:I drove a two-tonne truck straight at him, slammed on the breaks when I realised what I was doing and stopped it with him pinned between a bullbar and a garage door. He was unharmed, thank ****, because I would have been entirely responsible for any injury he sustained. And I would have ACCEPTED that responsibility for my EMOTIONAL reaction. If he was pinned, that literally means he was unable to move, meaning the inch is validated.
Oh you're so CUTE when you're trying to demonise someone that made you feel bad.
No. He was not with an inch of his life. Not figuratively, not literally. The human body is quite soft. One more inch might have bruised him a little at most. As it was, he was unharmed. Like, LITERALLY unharmed. That's the correct use of the word literally, by the way. I learned it on The Oatmeal.
Quote:Your emotional state is sufficient, and certainly not an excuse of, to prove the mens rea of intent to harm. It was not an accident. You deliberately drove a two-ton truck directly at him.
Wait, let's reword that a moment, shall we? Just to clarify the point I'm making since you seem to be missing it ON PURPOSE.
Quote:Sokhar's emotional state is sufficient, and certainly not an excuse, to prove the mens rea of intent to threaten and abuse. It was not an accident. He deliberately threatened and abused Erotica 1 with racial and homophobic slurs.
As you so insatiably enjoyed stating earlier on in this thread.
Checkmate. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Danalee
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
672
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:01:00 -
[5197] - Quote
LordOfDespair wrote:Danalee wrote:Kyperion wrote: Says the guy with the friend throwing out N.a.z.i analogies.... You just went full ******.
No, that's you, you are defending shokar the racist bigot just because you dislike erotica1. D; E1 causes and wants those situations. He isn't a victim.
I know, what's your point?
D.
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1698
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:01:00 -
[5198] - Quote
LordOfDespair wrote:Danalee wrote:Kyperion wrote: Says the guy with the friend throwing out N.a.z.i analogies.... You just went full ******.
No, that's you, you are defending shokar the racist bigot just because you dislike erotica1. D; E1 causes and wants those situations. He isn't a victim.
Losing space pixels to a scam and singing a song makes you a racist bigot. Call the NAACP! ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3826
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:02:00 -
[5199] - Quote
Erotica 1 wrote:All isk, assets, and skillpoints will be freely given up as the bonus round continues. I will read speeches, sing songs, and do other silly things.
EVE is just a game and we should all be able to win and lose stuff without attaching too much seriousness.
Thanks to CCP for an awesome sandbox. When I have a bit more time, I'll write a short 10 or so page response on this matter.
Remember guys, if he loses, I get that stuff, so put him through the wringer. I want freaking Lady Gaga and everything! Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Big Lynx
The Gun Runners Space Warriors
279
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:02:00 -
[5200] - Quote
Erotica 1 wrote:All isk, assets, and skillpoints will be freely given up as the bonus round continues. I will read speeches, sing songs, and do other silly things.
EVE is just a game and we should all be able to win and lose stuff without attaching too much seriousness.
Thanks to CCP for an awesome sandbox. When I have a bit more time, I'll write a short 10 or so page response on this matter.
Too late, but cute. |
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lollerwaffle
Perkone Caldari State
208
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:02:00 -
[5201] - Quote
LordOfDespair wrote:lollerwaffle wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:lollerwaffle wrote:LordOfDespair wrote:
It is such a sad and pathetic thing to do , and I'm shocked so many people are defending it.
The point, you missed it. Because I'm not you, here's why you're missing the point: No one is defending what Erotica 1 did. What they are saying, is that Erotica 1 has not broken any rules. Therefore, calling for him to be permanently banned from the game based on his actions, which while beyond bad taste did not break any rules, is akin to requesting people to be banned because they did something that some other people don't like, regardless of whether any rules are broken or not. I await your snarky one liner which I'm sure will deliver your points in a clear and coherent manner. Are you sure he has not broken any rules... Did you write the rules? The section where it suggests he could of broken the rules has been posted a number of times. As with most EULA/TOS, it is vague whether it could be applied to E1, the decision on whether it can be applied is not down to you, me or anybody else here but by CCP and CCP alone. I imagine right now that is what CCP are doing, deciding whether they should apply those rules to E1 or not. For a second I thought you were LordofDespair and was about to congratulate you on being able to post something beyond a snarky one-liner which doesn't address or counter-argue any points. But I digress. That's the thing though. You claim that the rules are 'unclear' etc. However, your opening, and subsequent posts, have also stated the desire for Erotica 1 to be perma-banned because his behaviour was distasteful to you. If the call was for him to be banned because he might 'possibly' have broken the rules, then I would agree with you to an extent. However, using the nature of the activities someone performs as grounds to ban someone comes very close to "CCP should ban that person because I don't like him/don't like what he does". It's not the topic, more the approach. You are just mad you can't argue against me without insults and strawmanning. Nope. Still the same one liner. Try again.
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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
869
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:03:00 -
[5202] - Quote
Salvos Rhoska wrote:There is no witch-hunt.
This is the community expressing its condemnation of Erotica1's conduct. witch-hunt n. : a rigorous campaign to round up or expose dissenters on the pretext of safeguarding the welfare of the public
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Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2905
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:03:00 -
[5203] - Quote
Salvos Rhoska wrote:There is no witch-hunt.
This is the community expressing its condemnation of Erotica1's conduct.
This is contradictory if the community isn't equally condemning Sokhar's conduct. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Salvos Rhoska
753
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:04:00 -
[5204] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Here is your testimony: Alana Charen-Teng wrote:I drove a two-tonne truck straight at him, slammed on the breaks when I realised what I was doing and stopped it with him pinned between a bullbar and a garage door. He was unharmed, thank ****, because I would have been entirely responsible for any injury he sustained. And I would have ACCEPTED that responsibility for my EMOTIONAL reaction. If he was pinned, that literally means he was unable to move, meaning the inch is validated. Oh you're so CUTE when you're trying to demonise someone that made you feel bad. No. He was not with an inch of his life. Not figuratively, not literally. The human body is quite soft. One more inch might have bruised him a little at most. As it was, he was unharmed. Like, LITERALLY unharmed. That's the correct use of the word literally, by the way. I learned it on The Oatmeal. Quote:Your emotional state is sufficient, and certainly not an excuse of, to prove the mens rea of intent to harm. It was not an accident. You deliberately drove a two-ton truck directly at him. Wait, let's reword that a moment, shall we? Just to clarify the point I'm making since you seem to be missing it ON PURPOSE. Quote:Sokhar's emotional state is sufficient, and certainly not an excuse of, to prove the mens rea of intent to threaten and abuse. It was not an accident. He deliberately threatened abused Erotica 1 with racial and homophobic slurs. As you so insatiably enjoyed stating earlier on in this thread. Checkmate.
Why are you not in jail? You should be according to your own testimony. Only reason you are not, is the victim did not press charges.
You think it is legal to deliberately drive a two-ton truck at people to the result of pinning them against a garage-door? |
Danalee
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
672
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:05:00 -
[5205] - Quote
Sentamon wrote:LordOfDespair wrote:Danalee wrote:Kyperion wrote: Says the guy with the friend throwing out N.a.z.i analogies.... You just went full ******.
No, that's you, you are defending shokar the racist bigot just because you dislike erotica1. D; E1 causes and wants those situations. He isn't a victim. Losing space pixels to a scam and singing a song makes you a racist bigot. Call the NAACP!
No dropping N-bombs, refusing to speak with someone from African descent and threatening people with their life does. All of which Sokhar did, by the way.
D.
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LordOfDespair
Capsuleer Combat Training Services
48
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:05:00 -
[5206] - Quote
Erotica 1 wrote:All isk, assets, and skillpoints will be freely given up as the bonus round continues. I will read speeches, sing songs, and do other silly things.
EVE is just a game and we should all be able to win and lose stuff without attaching too much seriousness.
Thanks to CCP for an awesome sandbox. When I have a bit more time, I'll write a short 10 or so page response on this matter. So transparent. Thanking CCP won't make em go easy on you. |
Anslo
Scope Works
4597
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:05:00 -
[5207] - Quote
Erotica 1 wrote:All isk, assets, and skillpoints will be freely given up as the bonus round continues. I will read speeches, sing songs, and do other silly things.
EVE is just a game and we should all be able to win and lose stuff without attaching too much seriousness.
Thanks to CCP for an awesome sandbox. When I have a bit more time, I'll write a short 10 or so page response on this matter. Self serving and pointless. Wanna make a statement? Livestream you biomassing all toons and canceling all subs. Otherwise gtfo.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5495
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:05:00 -
[5208] - Quote
embrel wrote:
Scamming is fine, ganking is fine, I like Eve. But I don't see how you can consider it fun to set up such a room.
I don't see why people watch nasty shows like Fear Factor or Jack Ass or Maury "you are not the Father" Povich. However just because I don't like that stff doesn't mean the Government should come in and confiscate all their property.
That's what we are talking about here. People what Erotica1 gone, want CCP to take all his stuff , want him prosecuted and want people to kick him in his face so they can laugh at it.
And we're simply saying that wanting all those things just because someone does something we don't like is a worse wrong than anything Erotica1 has done.
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Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2905
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:05:00 -
[5209] - Quote
Salvos Rhoska wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Here is your testimony: Alana Charen-Teng wrote:I drove a two-tonne truck straight at him, slammed on the breaks when I realised what I was doing and stopped it with him pinned between a bullbar and a garage door. He was unharmed, thank ****, because I would have been entirely responsible for any injury he sustained. And I would have ACCEPTED that responsibility for my EMOTIONAL reaction. If he was pinned, that literally means he was unable to move, meaning the inch is validated. Oh you're so CUTE when you're trying to demonise someone that made you feel bad. No. He was not with an inch of his life. Not figuratively, not literally. The human body is quite soft. One more inch might have bruised him a little at most. As it was, he was unharmed. Like, LITERALLY unharmed. That's the correct use of the word literally, by the way. I learned it on The Oatmeal. Quote:Your emotional state is sufficient, and certainly not an excuse of, to prove the mens rea of intent to harm. It was not an accident. You deliberately drove a two-ton truck directly at him. Wait, let's reword that a moment, shall we? Just to clarify the point I'm making since you seem to be missing it ON PURPOSE. Quote:Sokhar's emotional state is sufficient, and certainly not an excuse of, to prove the mens rea of intent to threaten and abuse. It was not an accident. He deliberately threatened abused Erotica 1 with racial and homophobic slurs. As you so insatiably enjoyed stating earlier on in this thread. Checkmate. Why are you not in jail? You should be according to your own testimony. Only reason you are not, is the victim did not press charges. You think it is legal to deliberately drive a two-ton truck at people to the result of pinning them against a garage-door?
Because you don't go to jail if you don't commit a crime, dumbarse.
You are the worst lawyer ever. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
247
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:05:00 -
[5210] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:All isk, assets, and skillpoints will be freely given up as the bonus round continues. I will read speeches, sing songs, and do other silly things.
EVE is just a game and we should all be able to win and lose stuff without attaching too much seriousness.
Thanks to CCP for an awesome sandbox. When I have a bit more time, I'll write a short 10 or so page response on this matter. Remember guys, if he loses, I get that stuff, so put him through the wringer. I want freaking Lady Gaga and everything!
I vote for making him read this thread out loud, can he outpace our posting speed |
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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
678
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:06:00 -
[5211] - Quote
Salvos Rhoska wrote: You think it is legal to deliberately drive a two-ton truck at people to the result of pinning them against a garage-door?
Nope, prove intent to injure, could those people have moved out of the way at any point? |
Prince Kobol
1524
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:08:00 -
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lollerwaffle wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:lollerwaffle wrote:LordOfDespair wrote:
It is such a sad and pathetic thing to do , and I'm shocked so many people are defending it.
The point, you missed it. Because I'm not you, here's why you're missing the point: No one is defending what Erotica 1 did. What they are saying, is that Erotica 1 has not broken any rules. Therefore, calling for him to be permanently banned from the game based on his actions, which while beyond bad taste did not break any rules, is akin to requesting people to be banned because they did something that some other people don't like, regardless of whether any rules are broken or not. I await your snarky one liner which I'm sure will deliver your points in a clear and coherent manner. Are you sure he has not broken any rules... Did you write the rules? The section where it suggests he could of broken the rules has been posted a number of times. As with most EULA/TOS, it is vague whether it could be applied to E1, the decision on whether it can be applied is not down to you, me or anybody else here but by CCP and CCP alone. I imagine right now that is what CCP are doing, deciding whether they should apply those rules to E1 or not. For a second I thought you were LordofDespair and was about to congratulate you on being able to post something beyond a snarky one-liner which doesn't address or counter-argue any points. But I digress. That's the thing though. You claim that the rules are 'unclear' etc. However, your opening, and subsequent posts, have also stated the desire for Erotica 1 to be perma-banned because his behaviour was distasteful to you. If the call was for him to be banned because he might 'possibly' have broken the rules, then I would agree with you to an extent. However, using the nature of the activities someone performs as grounds to ban someone comes very close to "CCP should ban that person because I don't like him/don't like what he does". It's not the topic, more the approach.
To begin with if you read my opening post no where do I state my own opinion.
Yes my opinion is that he should be banned, he took something which I proud we have and need to keep in game, something which I do myself, something that is unique to Eve.. scamming, and crossed the line.
Yes it is only my opinion and luckily I am able to voice it , just as other people are allowed to voice so long as it does not break any forum rules.
If he has broken the rules, so much the better as it no longer becomes a morale or ethical issue for CCP lifting the burden on them somewhat.
However unlike a few others I believe that rules and laws are not written in stone. Life is not Black and White. Rules and Laws can not account for every action and situation that can occur.
You will always have exceptions hence why rules and laws are changed, modified, added, removed over time.
E1 deliberately takes his scams out of game for the sole reason to cause as much humiliation as he can thinking that he will not / could not be banned.
Why record it, post it on a website if you are not out to cause maximum humiliation?
Those saying that he only did so because Eve sucks sucks (which it does) is a very poor excuse. He does so to record everything, unless you can now record using Eve Voice?
He was even kicked from Widot, which is a cesspool of a forum because even they did not like what he was doing. Believe me it takes some doing to get kicked from there and perma banned.
E1 claims he left, it was his choice and was told by directors to stay, yet Mynnna stated he was kick due to him boasting about his antics.
Who do you believe, E1 or Mynnna?
E1 is not good for our community and in no way enhances it. All he is doing is reinforcing the view that many outside of Eve already have which is we all deranged psychopaths trying to make life hell for everybody in anyway we can when in reality we have a great community for the most part. |
LordOfDespair
Capsuleer Combat Training Services
49
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:08:00 -
[5213] - Quote
lollerwaffle wrote: Nope. Still the same one liner. Try again.
Assuming you deserve anything more. Cute. |
Giovanni erkelens2
Reemus Thellere Corporation
21
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:09:00 -
[5214] - Quote
*counts down to the time someone kills himself due a scam or bonusroom in eve* |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2913
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:09:00 -
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Aralyn Cormallen wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:All isk, assets, and skillpoints will be freely given up as the bonus round continues. I will read speeches, sing songs, and do other silly things.
EVE is just a game and we should all be able to win and lose stuff without attaching too much seriousness.
Thanks to CCP for an awesome sandbox. When I have a bit more time, I'll write a short 10 or so page response on this matter. Remember guys, if he loses, I get that stuff, so put him through the wringer. I want freaking Lady Gaga and everything! I vote for making him read this thread out loud, can he outpace our posting speed
I wanted him to sing 'Wind Beneath My Wings' while simultaneously faking an orgasm, or 'Smells like teen spirit' in spoken word form, by the style of William Shatner. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
871
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:10:00 -
[5216] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Self serving and pointless. Wanna make a statement? Livestream you biomassing all toons and canceling all subs. Otherwise gtfo. What statement would that make? "I do stupid things because people on the Internet tell me to"? Somehow I think E1 will see through that kind of thing. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
embrel
BamBam Inc.
152
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:11:00 -
[5217] - Quote
Crumplecorn wrote:embrel wrote:Scamming is fine, ganking is fine, I like Eve. But I don't see how you can consider it fun to set up such a room. Nice of you to show the true basis of your post right at the end.
well yeah, guess that's what it's all about if you think about it.
is it fun to agonize the village idiot?
I do not consider it to be and I do not consider people that are taking their high from agonizing the village idiot to be cool or nice or good or many positive attributes.
I don't have an issue if you scam him out of his 401k, but you do it discreetly and without the agonizing part.
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Doireen Kaundur
422
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:11:00 -
[5218] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote: I wanted him to sing 'Wind Beneath My Wings' while simultaneously faking an orgasm, or 'Smells like teen spirit' in spoken word form, by the style of William Shatner.
ROFLMAO!!!! Minimizing the cost of replacing implants.
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PinkPanter
The Scope Gallente Federation
135
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:11:00 -
[5219] - Quote
Giovanni erkelens2 wrote:*counts down to the time someone kills himself due a scam or bonusroom in eve*
if that happens we're all ****** cause the number of rules that will step in not mentioning what will the community do will literally put this game to ****.
It's the whole point. You have so much freedom to be a ******** here yet some go EVEN further.
It's the basic flaw of all that defend this dude. You are the ones that have a chance to get rolled over in the end just because one guy went one step too far and some other vulnerable one couldn't handle it. |
olan2005
Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi
38
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:11:00 -
[5220] - Quote
embrel wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote: Because my point was to demonstrate why ignoring what Sokhar did or brushing it off as 'justified' demonstrates that this is just an irrational Ero1 witch hunt.
To me these are two distinct cases of people no behaving as we would expect mature persons to. There's no justification for racist or else rants, as well as there is no justification for continuing with the bonus room long after everyone involved should have noted that the person is on his way to snap. This is not an irrational witch hunt. It's very clear that RL-threats, racism and so on are inacceptable, so I don't see anything to discuss regarding the final words of Sokhar. It's however not clear where the line is or should be in E1's bonus room. And this is what the community can discuss. CCP will do whatever they feel is right anyway. Also, the people that see this thread as a harassment of E1... yeah, guess Kimye/Justin/Paris etc. also feel harassed every now and then, but somehow this is also a consequence of their own decisions. My view and then I'll try not to post in the thread anymore: This should not lead to a ban, but I would like CCP to discretely hand out warnings, that, should in the future emerge a similar discussion there will be consequences. Scamming is fine, ganking is fine, I like Eve. But I don't see how you can consider it fun to set up such a room.
I think you hit the nail on the head with that . Where is the line in these situations. For all discussions and commentators most agree, myself including scamming is fine. But once scam is completed and you have all possible assets extracted , is it ok to prolong the ordeal for the sucker ( victime , self inflicted) for tear extraction as it is called in-game. Should the EULA be more stringent on that aspect of scamming. Me personally i say yes . As for punshment i will disagree , there should be perma ban for Erotica1 for taking it too far, then putting this public domain which has a consequence for the whole community. There should be a temp ban for the sucker (victim ,self inflicted ) for the racism , and threats that followed. Why the lesser punishment . He was under self inflicted emotional duress, which was not interally under his control as his assets where being held to ransom , by that he had to play or loose everything he built up in his eve carrier . Coercion is used by Erotica1 , the scenario was set up by erotica1 , The control to end this was completely in Erotica1 hands . Ultimate resp
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