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Salvos Rhoska
795
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:21:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:When you undercut someone on the market, you've tortured them if they get mad ("acute psychological pain") in order to accomplish your purpose (selling your items) against your victim.
Good one!
So in your opinion market PVP constitutes torture?
A novel notion, but one you are nonetheless free to hold if you wish, and as incorrect as it might be. -----For an elaboration on how Erotica1's conduct in his Bonus Room potentially constitutes torture----- https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4400219#post4400219 |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3957
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:21:00 -
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OUTLAW RIOT P0LICE wrote:BITCHFORKS
The only interesting thing in this thread anymore. |
Salvos Rhoska
795
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:22:00 -
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Effect One wrote:Go and find a legal definition of torture if you want to discuss legal principles.
Amnesty International is the world leader in legal counsel on matters of human rights.
If you wish to provide other definitions, feel free to do so. -----For an elaboration on how Erotica1's conduct in his Bonus Room potentially constitutes torture----- https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4400219#post4400219 |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
334
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:22:00 -
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KnowUsByTheDead wrote:Well done, Ripard, well done indeed. Good fight.
GTFO and dont come back, sadist. |
Imryn Xaran
Coherent Light Enterprises
43
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:23:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Imryn Xaran wrote:
My logic is that E1 made the recording public, Riptard is merely trying to draw attention to it. I would argue that any damage caused to CCP's reputation would be the result of E1's actions not Riptards.
I want CCP to make the ban to limit the damage and if they were to also ban Riptard it would have the opposite effect - "CCP bans whistle blower who uncovers sick truth about EVE Online" wouldn't really limit the damage would it?
I'm not claiming it's fair to ban E1 for this, I'm saying CCP can and should do it to protect their bottom line.
Have you listened to the recording? Riptard didn't.
I did
You will have to ask Riptard himself whether he listened to it or not, but I think it's safe to assume he did too. |
Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
1026
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:23:00 -
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Effect One wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Amnesty International. Salvos Rhoska wrote:At law, according to this definition, it is a question of the "purpose of the former against the will of the latter." This is why your argument fails before it has even got off the ground. AI is not a legislative body. It has no legal say in anything. It is a campaign group. Nothing AI does or says can be considered to be law. Go and find a legal definition of torture if you want to discuss legal principles. Not that I'm suggesting this line of discussion is steeped in anything but the ludicrous.
Rekt. AUT5M - Active WH Corporation seeking new recruits. Frequent fleets, perfect boosts, material buyback, and more. Battleship/Logi/T3 pilots needed. Inquire within. Full API required. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5553
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:23:00 -
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olan2005 wrote:
Because he went from scamming the guy to Humiliating him
Some people seem very sensitive to the idea of humiliation. I don't get it, if one doesn't want to be humiliated, wouldn't they simply not put themselves in the situation to be humiliated. I can't sing thus I avoid Karaoke night at the bar, for example.
This all started when a 2009 player (most likely) saw an ad in a local chat somewhere about getting his isk doubled (the second oldest scam in EVE, the 1st being "give me 15 bucks and ill let you play EVE" by ccp itself lol). Anyone with 2 brain cells and 2 days of play time in EVE knows that's a scam. Were it not for this person greedily trying to acquire space money, none of this happens.
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Salvos Rhoska
795
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:23:00 -
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U seem mad. R u mad?
Worried no more recordings from Bonus Room to fap to?
AAaaaawwww! -----For an elaboration on how Erotica1's conduct in his Bonus Room potentially constitutes torture----- https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4400219#post4400219 |
Speedkermit Damo
Demonic Retribution Nullsec Ninjas
275
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:24:00 -
[5889] - Quote
Bump up towards page 300 Don't Panic.
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Bayonnefrog
Hedion University Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:24:00 -
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KnowUsByTheDead wrote:You have won, ladies and gentlemen, you are getting your witch to burn at the stake. Against the wishes of his friends, Ero has decided to use his own game to remove himself from EvE Online. But as his friends tried to tell him no, it dawned on many of us that this is the only way people will be satisfied. Erotica's Bonus Round was never meant to be more than a test of whether people could lose inhibition, show faith in a total stranger, and have fun in a game that breeds the worst kind of paranoia. Whether Ripard and the community believe it was a scam is irrelevant. Those who did win, would not always win liquid isk. Other times they would win the chance at being an Escrow. One Bonus Round "victim" played the round, and due to his sheer power of determination, though losing the round itself, ended up "grab-bagging" 10b or so in assets, including a Thanatos, a Rorqual, and other multi-billion isk assets. And the best part? He did it all with good spirits, and a smile on his face. His EO name? Vicious Rage. 10 billion isk, in two days. Some "victim" of "torture," huh? But that is now irrelevant as well. Erotica has relinquished control of both channels, the Escrow Lounge, and The Glory Hole to myself and a few other trusted escrow's. He no longer has a say in what happens in either channel. To serve the community, he will be doing every single component of the Bonus Round. Only he is going to do it 5x what any other person has done. He will be doing it every day for a "business week." 5 days, 5 bonus rounds. The final bonus rounds. He will sing songs, a long-time EvE tradition. He will read the Code. Every single round. He will contract all of his assets. All active accounts. He will then be alpha-podded, not on one character, as was the case when podfleet still operated. He will lose all of his SP, until each character is sitting at 900k. And the ironic thing? We will all walk out from this "test of faith" with a smug smile on our faces. Do you know why? Because those who support the Bonus Room didn't have to resort to threatening CCP with media backlash in order to serve their own personal agenda. Bonus Round supporters did not have to use veiled threats of violence to scare a man's innocent wife and child, as so many have had to do in just this one thread.Bonus Round supporters did not have to resort to doxxing someone to retain their seats on the CSM, to fuel their never-ending crusade of self-righteousness and hubris-driven rabble rousing. ... Oh yea? Here is Erotica's api key, posted with his permission to the forums. Feel free to peruse it for your enjoyment during this momentous occasion. His mail is not included, as he has personal information contained within, and we often encourage "clients" to either delete their mails or leave mail unchecked in the API, especially when personal information comes to play, and also when large alliance intel comes into play. His contacts are also left out, as we do not want others to become "victims" of the witch hunt that Ripard started. ID: 3226972 Code: rkk4RiGb0BYlNSKBGO9CtDz6imPSagxSxeyVGvovQ2poUZmO78oTmAkEJw2A8GrW "Damage Control, you say?" You mistake us, lol. Most of the Escrow's are so intrinsically lazy, that we could care less about damage control. No, this is walking out, on our terms, with our heads held high. Because we know that we were simply playing the game. Perhaps too meta. But we certainly never held a gun to someone's head, and told them they had to verbally berate us, or even play the Bonus Room, for that matter. "But you will take it easy on Ero, because you are his friend!!!!!!!!" I can assure you that Ero chose the most trollish people to give the best possible blowout. Last night he was trolled as he read the Code, as he contracted over several of his over 700 stations, and as I took control of Krypteia Operations for a corp audit. He gets no special treatment, outside of the treatment he needs to protect himself from the violent sadists who have wished death upon him, over a video game, in this very thread. To those that have spoke out in defense of the sandbox...good for you. You remain true to the tenets this game was based and created on. Harsh, cold, unforgiving, emergent. I am happy that some still believe what this game could and can be. To those who have thrown death threats, defamation, and everything else at an emergent aspect of the sandbox.... Take a long hard look in the mirror. Are your threats so much better? Your wishes of death? You chose to irrationally follow the words of one man, based on one fringe case. Look up Nikul Naath on Minerbumping. You will see a vastly different performance than the one sohkar gave. In fact, Nikul even used another EvE axiom when he understood he had lost in a PvP game, as I audited and took control of his corp. "Good Fight." So now, with emergence on trial, the only thing left to do is walk into one last midnight, hand in hand, brothers and sisters, opting not for the "sandbox," but for the Trammelization of EvE. Well done, Ripard, well done indeed. Good fight.
I love it. This is like in college football when a school gets caught violating NCAA rules and decides to "self-report violations" and "self-impose consequences." Of course, all of this is after Ripard posts in his blog.
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Big Lynx
The Gun Runners Space Warriors
293
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:24:00 -
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OUTLAW RIOT P0LICE wrote:PEOPLE SAYING THIS IS BAD PRESS FOR EVE ONLINE I THINK IT IS GOOD PRESS THIS GAME IS DARK AND TWISTED AND I HAVE HAD FRIENDS COME TO ME AFTER HEARING ABOUT THIS 'INCIDENT' AND PEOPLE WAVING THEIR BITCHFORKS ABOUT SAYING MATE MATE PLEASE GET ME A TRAIL FOR THIS GAME THIS SOUNDS IMMENSE AND THEY PUT DOWN THEIR XBOX TO COME CHECK.
NOT GONNA LIE THEY ARE PLAYING THIS GAME NOW THROUGH A BUDDY INVITE SYSTEM BECAUSE I GAVE THEM A TRAIL.
YOU SEE THE GOOD THAT HAS PERHAPS COME FROM THIS I HAVE GIVEN BIRTH TO SOME NEW PLAYERS. THESE NEW PLAYERS WANT TO BECOME THE NEXT EROTICAL 1 OR THE NEXT JAMES375 BECAUSE THEY ARE WANTING TO PLAY A GAME THAT THEY DIDN'T PREVIOUSLY.
ALL THE PEOPLE WAVING THEIR BITCHFORKS SAYING BAN THIS GUY BECAUSE HE IS BAD. THINK ABOUT IT THAT THIS JUST GOES ON AT ALL TIMES SAID BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. THIS IS NOT ANY DIFFERENT TO THE TIME I FOUND A GUY WHO WARDECCED ME WHO LIVED IN SAME CITY AND TIED HIM TO MY RADIATOR AS PUNISHMENT AND HE DROPED THE WARDEC. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE PERHAPS YOU SAY THAT HE DIDN'T GET HIS STORY PUBLISHED ON A BLOG THAT WANTS AN AUDIENCE FOR A PROPER GANDER CAMPAIGN.
THE EVIL HERE IS RIPARD TEGS AND HIS BRAINWASHING FOLLOWERS. MOST OF THE PEOPLE DIDN'T EVEN LISTEN TO THE RANTING RACIST FOUL MOUTHED GUY WHO GOT MAD AND INSTEAD JUST TOOK TO THE FORUMS TO PEN ANGRY POSTS. I AM NOT AN ANGRY MAN. I WOULD HAVE WALKED AWAY. PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THIS BECAUSE I AM NOT MAD ABOUT THIS INCIDENE TI AM HAPPY THAT IT GOT MY TWO MATES TO COME PLAY WITH ME AND PUT DOWN THEIR CRACK PIPES AND XBOXES.
THINK ABOUT THIS FOR A MOMENT. WHY IS THIS HOLE THING BAD? I ASK YOU?
ORP.
Mr. Caps Lock and his shift crew. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1705
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:25:00 -
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Waiting for 300. Hurry up you crazies! ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
PinkPanter
The Scope Gallente Federation
156
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:25:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:PinkPanter wrote:KnowUsByTheDead wrote:You have won, ladies and gentlemen, you are getting your witch to burn at the stake **Can't quote the whole thing but to reply. I don't care what he does. All i care is how CCP will handle it and future copy cats. HTFU and don't post your tears of fake retribution here. You still have not posted what rules were broken.
Yes I did. Quite a few times. Some might not see that as interpretation is left to CCP and CCP alone but that's how I see them.
That's why I wrote that it's CCPs opinion that I'm interested in.
I see it as stretching a rope to a point it will break one day but then it will be too late. It already happened in this game and luckly it picked up. Nobody knows what will next "crash" do to it.
I want rules that can eliminate or allow for such behaviur. They need to be clear to ALL of us as eve is a pretty ****** up environment already. It's the only way to keep psychos on a leash and allow others to go fully creative on how to **** up others.
If there are no certain and clear rules in a game like eve things are destined to hurt somebody in RL. Twitter, FB and other MMOs already proved it. If eve does then our freedom they way it is not will be pretty much cut and let's see then how we all like to play the civilized eve. |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3010
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:26:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Effect One wrote:Go and find a legal definition of torture if you want to discuss legal principles. Amnesty International is the world leader in legal counsel on matters of human rights. If you wish to provide other definitions, feel free to do so. Have you read the link submitted in my sig?
Yeah but the key point made which, as expected, you chose to ignore, and did not address, is that they are not legislators. I was actually expecting a response very much along these lines, as well as a reference to the copy-paste crap you've been sperging. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Kinis Deren
House Of Serenity. Disband.
362
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:26:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Andski wrote:This is bullshit and you clearly have no clue what you're talking about
Something vaguely fulfilling an open-ended definition of "torture" does not, in fact, make it torture See the elaboration in my sig, for the specifics of how this conduct constitutes torture. News just in, the X-Factor is now considered torture.
Strange you should say that - iirc, here in the UK there was huge press attention for one particular show in which one of the contestents was subjected to a tirade of negativity from the judges, all for the sake of so called entertainment. I believe the shows' producers had to issue an apology |
KnowUsByTheDead
Krypteia Operations CODE.
1132
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:26:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:PinkPanter wrote:KnowUsByTheDead wrote:You have won, ladies and gentlemen, you are getting your witch to burn at the stake **Can't quote the whole thing but to reply. I don't care what he does. All i care is how CCP will handle it and future copy cats. HTFU and don't post your tears of fake retribution here. You still have not posted what rules were broken.
Logic and reason, baltec.
Not applicable to GD, unfortunately.
And evidently, those two things are construed as tears now too.
Here lemme try the other side of the fence for a moment.
EROTICA 1 SHOULD DIE IN A FIRE AND BE DRAGGED THROUGH THE STREETS STILL SMOLDERING BECAUSE HE MADE SOMEONE SING ON TS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Meh, nope. Not for me.
I prefer logic and reason. Y'know, truths, opposed to half truths and fabrications.
Guess I will always lose the GD battle. vOv
Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á |
Salvos Rhoska
800
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:26:00 -
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Sorry! Still not reading :D
Remiel Pollard wrote:you've been sperging.
Ok, I peaked, did you just say "sperging"?
MY LAWWDDYY THE IRONY! -----For an elaboration on how Erotica1's conduct in his Bonus Room potentially constitutes torture----- https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4400219#post4400219 |
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
100
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:27:00 -
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LOL at the people that think the "bad press" over this hurts EVE. If stories about people losing thousands of dollars worth of stuff through a corp theft, AWOX, or suicide ganking are welcomed by CCP, so do you think they really give a rat's ass about this? I know minerbumping had a blog post about this a while ago, but I don't give a crap enough to go find it. I'm sure CCP has been aware of what happened here for quite some time. IMO the only person that did anything ban worthy was the "victim" for his racist rants and death threats. I've been pissed off enough at people to want to punch them, but never resorted to death threats and racist tirades, FFS.
Maybe you should go back to your bubbles if you think asking someone to sing stupid songs to get their pixels back qualifies as torture. Jesus Christ, you people are pathetic. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1816
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:27:00 -
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Its time to nerf highsec. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3010
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:28:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:U seem mad. R u mad? Worried no more recordings from Bonus Room to fap to? AAaaaawwww!
You seem to be enjoying yourself. Are you taking pleasure in someone else's emotional discomfort? Are you enjoying torturing poor Xuixien?
Biomass, clown. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
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Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
1027
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:28:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Waiting for 300. Hurry up you crazies!
Yeah for real. I'm zeroing my scope now. :) AUT5M - Active WH Corporation seeking new recruits. Frequent fleets, perfect boosts, material buyback, and more. Battleship/Logi/T3 pilots needed. Inquire within. Full API required. |
Jerome Gouillot
Pangalactic Frontline Supply Agency
18
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:28:00 -
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KnowUsByTheDead wrote:You have won, ladies and gentlemen, you are getting your witch to burn at the stake
This is a sad day for EvE. I do not care whether Erotica1 biomasses or not, but the sandbox got one more hole. Who will be next ? |
Louis Robichaud
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
195
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:28:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:
"Torture is the systematic and deliberate infliction of acute pain by one person on another, or on a third person, in order to accomplish the purpose of the former against the will of the latter." - Amnesty International.
This is the definition of PVP. Yeah. When you undercut someone on the market, you've tortured them if they get mad ("acute psychological pain") in order to accomplish your purpose (selling your items) against your victim.
This is just silly. As a PvP er *and * a trader, I can assure you that I haven't tortured anyone, nor felt tortured by those who blew up my ships or undercut my orders.
I don't know what kind of PvP you have been up to, but perhaps you are doing it wrong?
In other word, if PvP is such agony, htfu ;) |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3961
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:28:00 -
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Bitches gonna BITCHFORK. |
Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd Nulli Secunda
192
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:28:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:
Then what are the rules. Please clarify each rule in the TOS/EULA with a detail explanation of each one so we will all be clear.
Its up to you to find the rules that have been broken, which nobody has managed to do in getting on for 300 pages of this whitchhunt. Your statement is wrong and you posted it despite having better knowledge. There are several posts and I gave you a link to one of my own posts earlier. You just choose to ignore that. But ignoring something that is there doesn't make it go away.
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Capt Starfox
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
667
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:28:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:KnowUsByTheDead wrote:Damage control and avoiding assets and accounts being seized for EULA violations, as well as potentially IRL legal prosecution Sorry, can you repeat that?
Did you seriously just mis-quote that? Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
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Jiorj
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
5
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:28:00 -
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does alpha podding a station sitter change anything about what thy can or can not do?
does their handing over of assets preclude the fact that said assets can be handed back later?
I love the paintball anecdote above. Inflicting an act on yourself does not make it ok to do it to others
but let me get this straight, alpha podding removes skill points from the player, there is no hope of getting a multiple of them back, you are doing solid damage and setting the character back time that must be reaquired slowly. and this was normal 'bonus room activity'?
so it was not just 'a couple of songs'
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Jack Lennox
Killing With a Smile
44
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:28:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Xuixien wrote:When you undercut someone on the market, you've tortured them if they get mad ("acute psychological pain") in order to accomplish your purpose (selling your items) against your victim. Good one! So in your opinion market PVP constitutes torture? A novel notion, but one you are nonetheless free to hold if you wish, and as incorrect as it might be.
No, I think Xui's just making fun of you (and this issue), a fact that has clearly gone over your head
KWAS is now recruiting!-á Incursion Running, L4 Missions, Orca boosts for mining, and small gang WH PvE/PvP |
embrel
BamBam Inc.
156
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:28:00 -
[5909] - Quote
Edit: mobile phones and fat fingers... |
Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
1027
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:29:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:U seem mad. R u mad? Worried no more recordings from Bonus Room to fap to? AAaaaawwww! You seem to be enjoying yourself. Are you taking pleasure in someone else's emotional discomfort? Are you enjoying torturing poor Zuizien? Biomass, clown.
There's no such thing as "bad" publicity, as long as they spell the name right.
Remiel Pollard, you has failed me. AUT5M - Active WH Corporation seeking new recruits. Frequent fleets, perfect boosts, material buyback, and more. Battleship/Logi/T3 pilots needed. Inquire within. Full API required. |
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