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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5284
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:40:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Malcanis wrote:Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Malcanis wrote:Did you or did you not advocate whipping up a damaging media shitstorm? Damaging to whom? If the content is as benign as you would have us believe, then there will be no shitstorm. Where do I support or even defend what erotica1 does Do you understand that there's a middle ground between the lynch mob and unconditional support? You have not been advocating a middle ground. In this situation, there is no middle ground. This is not just about scamming. Scam are a part of eve, that will not change. This is about players standing against the vitriolic and toxic nature of certain groups in eve who strive to ensure hate and spite are promoted so they get their 'kicks.' This is not a call for a themepark. This is a call to return civility to the game.
Return to civility suggest there ever was civility in the game.
WTF game have you been playing, because it wasn't EVE. |
Speedkermit Damo
Demonic Retribution Nullsec Ninjas
270
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:41:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Speedkermit Damo wrote: Our country is controlled by people who fall over themselves to take offence where none was meant, who have a hard on for banning activities and opinions they don't like. They're called Guardian readers, and they are the esablishment.
Actually, they are called Daily Mail readers and they are reactionary fools who voted in a mix of impotent pretend centralists and the Tories and they control jack all because they arent Managing Directors and the CEOs of the banks
Guardian - Daily Mail. It's all the same. Two cheeks of the same sanctomonious arse. Don't Panic.
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Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
2375
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:41:00 -
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Kara Vix wrote:I would expect a CSM member to have no opinion and just moderate the forum so that it does not devolve into name calling. I wouldn't expect a blue tag opinion either as that should be discussed with legal and not published on the forum.
1) Nowhere in the CSM job description is "forum moderation" found. 2) The CSM's job is to consult with CCP on various player-affecting policies and developments. Having an opinion on the subject is very explicitly their job. When and where they deem it appropriate to share that opinion is entirely up to them. 3) Obviously the blues are going to tread lightly on the subject and generally be non-committal outside re-posting existing rules, posts, etc. When and if they have something substantive to say, they will do so once most decisions or actions have already been taken. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5284
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:42:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Wesley Otsdarva wrote:http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/03/25/heres-some-of-the-cyberbullying-that-happens-in-eve-online/
So here goes for news coverage. Good, perhaps people will learn that EVE online is grown folks business and stay in their thempark MMOs all swaddled in cotton safe from the 'griefers'.. The sh*t that goes on in this game has nothing to do with 'grown folks', in fact it's quite the opposite. Cyber bullying has nothing to do with scamming and it has nothing at ALL to do with an 'adult' game. How you ever get to this notion is completely beyond me. In what weird world do you live where behavior like this, online or not, is considered normal?
Texas. |
Drone 16
Law Dogz
53
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:42:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Anslo wrote: You have not been advocating a middle ground.
In this situation, there is no middle ground. This is not just about scamming. Scam are a part of eve, that will not change.
This is about players standing against the vitriolic and toxic nature of certain groups in eve who strive to ensure hate and spite are promoted so they get their 'kicks.'
This is not a call for a themepark. This is a call to return civility to the game.
I hear what your saying, I even understand it to the point of almost agreeing But what about ragaholics like the caller? He (and he is far far from alone) should just be allowed to say what he wishes and do as he likes? THe knife should cut both ways.
I haven't advocated banning anyone, but you may have a point there, if one is banned maybe both should be. It could be argued that 2 hours of that nonsense drove him to it, but if this thread has shown me anything it's that people can argue an issue from every vantage imaginable. |
Capt Starfox
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
616
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:42:00 -
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Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Capt Starfox wrote:[It's not torture. It's not criminal activity. Comparing real world crime/criminals to a video game screams for attention. I would rather have him represent us, because he knows the rules of the video and the difference between IRL and virtual video games. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperboleJust giving Malcanis a taste of his own medicine. Fair enough :) Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1746
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:42:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:You dont seem to understand how courts work.
Aany threats Sohkar made can be tried in separate cases. Thats fine and Erotica1s prerogative to pursue. They do not however absolve Erotica1 of his own conduct or legal culpability.
Second of all, and as would invariably be the case for the defence if those charges where brought against Sohkar, is that he was under duress caused by Erotica1 in the first place, at the time that he made them. This is substantiated further by even his wife entreating the perpetrators to desist.
You are underestimating the severity of this situation. This is some very serious **** that goes well beyond forum trolling.
What law was broken, cite the specific statute and provide proof of your prosecutorial/law enforcement credentials? This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
513
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:42:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:To those arguing that the assets are owned by CCP, then it falls incumbent on CCP to press charges on Erotica1 for ransoming their ingame proprietary property against an individual who has paid CCPfor use of them, by means of extortion/blackmail occuring OUTSIDE of thee game. CCP could take such action if they judge themselves to have been harmed by such false claims, but they are in no way obligated to do so.
Erotica1 has been blackmailing/extorting clients of CCP OUTSIDE of the game, by means of and against their (either Sohkars or CCPs, depending on how that swings) ingame property.
There is no false claim here. The recording is real, and takes place outside of the game, as does everything that occurs in that recording. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17426
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:42:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote: Yeah except in a COD lobby you can just disconnect and find a new lobby.
You can in Eve too, you can disconnect or close from any chat rooms that you don't wish to be in.
Quote:Not so easy when some dude has all your stuff (whether you gave it voluntarily or not) in a game where having a lot of stuff is the point of the game. You're obviously not playing the same game that I am, Eve is not about the hoarding of stuff, or even the explosion of stuff, it's about succeeding at what you want to do, despite the obstacles that others throw in your path.
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Qalix
Long Jump.
208
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:43:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Such a long post when all you had to do was type "Star Citizen and Erotica1 will kill EVE" and be done with it.
What you see as a toxic brand identity , I see as an 'exclusive' brand identity. ie, Don't play EVE if you can't handle it.
Most people can't so they don't and more power to them.
This is but one asshat among many and Valkyrie is every bit as dangerous to "original" EVE as Star Citizen and the other games coming down the pipe.
I love how some players like to pretend that EVE is difficult. It's not. Your woefully misguided mentality is the kind of thing that kills many businesses. "My product is great! Those people are just haters! I'm not going to change anything! We didn't want those customers anyway!" |
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Kara Vix
Sanford and Son Salvage
216
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:44:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Kara Vix wrote:I would expect a CSM member to have no opinion and just moderate the forum so that it does not devolve into name calling. I wouldn't expect a blue tag opinion either as that should be discussed with legal and not published on the forum. 1) Nowhere in the CSM job description is "forum moderation" found. 2) The CSM's job is to consult with CCP on various player-affecting policies and developments. Having an opinion on the subject is very explicitly their job. When and where they deem it appropriate to share that opinion is entirely up to them. 3) Obviously the blues are going to tread lightly on the subject and generally be non-committal outside re-posting existing rules, posts, etc. When and if they have something substantive to say, they will do so once most decisions or actions have already been taken.
True, I mistook CSM for an ISD. I fail to see the value of a CSM tag whatsoever. |
Kadl
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
100
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:44:00 -
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Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Kadl wrote:Erotica1 was clearly looking for services, actions to be performed by Sohkar (and others). Those actions were to be performed outside of the game on a Teamspeak server. Erotica1 may have used coercion to obtain those services. Thus a crime of extortion may have been committed.
If the activities were outside the game then Erotica1 was clearly offering in game items (or to make in game actions) in return for out of game services (or actions). It may be that Erotica1 had no intention of providing those in game items (or in making certain in game actions). Whether it's criminal or not, it's probably abhorrent behavior based on even the White Knight's posting in this thread.
Yes Erotica1's behavior after the scam should be condemned. The question of legality is all about what laws actually exist in the proper jurisdiction. I think it is obvious that CCP can ban Erotica1. They could also take lesser actions. The point that Jester clearly made is that actions like this are something that CCP should consider in light of the type of publicity they create. |
Dave Stark
4560
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:45:00 -
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Jayem See wrote:Dave Stark wrote:31 pages? damn having a job really means i miss out on all the fun.
people still mad that dumb people are dumb, and some one took advantage of it. like every day both in and out of the game?
if so, i'm not sure why this has really got to 31 pages since there's not really much of a story here other than "dumb people be dumb, and people profit from it". And then carry the charade on for personal pleasure and ego-stroking. I don't see how you can realistically justify the extent of the situation they put this guy through. The rest of it was purely for enjoyment. Some people find that objectionable.
most enjoyment in this game is derived from ruining some one's day. the difference is, this guy could close TS whenever he wanted.
hell, it was easier for him to remove himself from this situation than it is to safely log out of eve. |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
513
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:46:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:]What law was broken, cite the specific statute and provide proof of your prosecutorial/law enforcement credentials?
The first depends on the jurisdiction the matter is tried in.
To the second I do not have to present any credentials as I am not prosecuting or investigating the potential case, nor claiming to be a prosecutor, nor a law enforcement officer. |
Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:47:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Batelle wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:To those arguing that the assets are owned by CCP, then it falls incumbent on CCP to press charges on Erotica1 for ransoming their ingame proprietary property against an individual who has paid CCPfor use of them, by means of extortion/blackmail occuring OUTSIDE of thee game. CCP could take such action if they judge themselves to have been harmed by such false claims, but they are in no way obligated to do so. Erotica1 has been blackmailing/extorting clients of CCP OUTSIDE of the game, by means of and against their (either Sohkars or CCPs, depending on how that swings) ingame property. There is no false claim here. The recording is real, and takes place outside of the game, as does everything that occurs in that recording. Based on this, are you requesting Shadoo and Grath Telkin be banned also?
There are public recordings of them engaging in the same type of activity as Erotica. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5294
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:47:00 -
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Qalix wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Such a long post when all you had to do was type "Star Citizen and Erotica1 will kill EVE" and be done with it.
What you see as a toxic brand identity , I see as an 'exclusive' brand identity. ie, Don't play EVE if you can't handle it.
Most people can't so they don't and more power to them.
This is but one asshat among many and Valkyrie is every bit as dangerous to "original" EVE as Star Citizen and the other games coming down the pipe. I love how some players like to pretend that EVE is difficult. It's not. Your woefully misguided mentality is the kind of thing that kills many businesses. "My product is great! Those people are just haters! I'm not going to change anything! We didn't want those customers anyway!"
On with that again. Where did i say 'difficult'?
And this product ios great, 10 years and counting when most MMos are dead in a fraction of the time. I kow that burns the EVe haters up but it's the reality.
Get in through your head, some people aren't like you and while you think CCP is doing bad business, others disagree. Hell, you seem to disagree, you posting here means you're still paying CCP money in some fashion.
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Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
2377
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:48:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Batelle wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:To those arguing that the assets are owned by CCP, then it falls incumbent on CCP to press charges on Erotica1 for ransoming their ingame proprietary property against an individual who has paid CCPfor use of them, by means of extortion/blackmail occuring OUTSIDE of thee game. CCP could take such action if they judge themselves to have been harmed by such false claims, but they are in no way obligated to do so. Erotica1 has been blackmailing/extorting clients of CCP OUTSIDE of the game, by means of and against their (either Sohkars or CCPs, depending on how that swings) ingame property. There is no false claim here. The recording is real, and takes place outside of the game, as does everything that occurs in that recording.
I wasn't disputing the veracity of the recording, I'm saying that CCP has no obligation to press charges against erotica1 for ransoming CCP's property. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Jayem See
Perkone Caldari State
2448
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:48:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Jayem See wrote:Dave Stark wrote:31 pages? damn having a job really means i miss out on all the fun.
people still mad that dumb people are dumb, and some one took advantage of it. like every day both in and out of the game?
if so, i'm not sure why this has really got to 31 pages since there's not really much of a story here other than "dumb people be dumb, and people profit from it". And then carry the charade on for personal pleasure and ego-stroking. I don't see how you can realistically justify the extent of the situation they put this guy through. The rest of it was purely for enjoyment. Some people find that objectionable. most enjoyment in this game is derived from ruining some one's day. the difference is, this guy could close TS whenever he wanted. hell, it was easier for him to remove himself from this situation than it is to safely log out of eve.
You discount the level of emotional attachment that was involved after a while. I am not defending the person that was scammed here at all.
That someone is gullible and perhaps not that smart is not reason to prolong the situation for as long as it went on.
That's my concern. The length of time that this went on is slightly disturbing to a number of people. Aaaaaaand relax. |
Big Lynx
The Gun Runners Space Warriors
239
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:48:00 -
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how much isk was scammed there? |
Dave Stark
4560
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:48:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Dave Stark wrote:31 pages? damn having a job really means i miss out on all the fun.
people still mad that dumb people are dumb, and some one took advantage of it. like every day both in and out of the game?
if so, i'm not sure why this has really got to 31 pages since there's not really much of a story here other than "dumb people be dumb, and people profit from it". The mob demands blood
i agree, that guy was completely racist and verbally abusive. he's not the type of player we want in this game. |
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Toshiro Ozuwara
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
407
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:48:00 -
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Bottom line, CCP either does something about this or not. It's pedantry to talk about legality and court processes.
If it's a black eye, I am pretty sure CCP will do something about it. They have enough stuff written into their EULA, they can arbitrarily axe someone from the game any time they please. They don't need to provide an explanation or a rationale for it. They can simply do it.
If this recording upset you and they don't, then all you have is getting mad.
If this recording doesn't upset you and they do something, all you have is getting mad. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
513
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:49:00 -
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Praise the Yeti wrote:Based on this, are you requesting Shadoo and Grath Telkin be banned also?
There are public recordings of them engaging in the same type of activity as Erotica.
I am not familiar with those.
Do you have links perhaps? |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5294
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:50:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Jayem See wrote:Dave Stark wrote:31 pages? damn having a job really means i miss out on all the fun.
people still mad that dumb people are dumb, and some one took advantage of it. like every day both in and out of the game?
if so, i'm not sure why this has really got to 31 pages since there's not really much of a story here other than "dumb people be dumb, and people profit from it". And then carry the charade on for personal pleasure and ego-stroking. I don't see how you can realistically justify the extent of the situation they put this guy through. The rest of it was purely for enjoyment. Some people find that objectionable. most enjoyment in this game is derived from ruining some one's day. the difference is, this guy could close TS whenever he wanted. hell, it was easier for him to remove himself from this situation than it is to safely log out of eve.
last night I went out scanning and found a plex. An alliance mate came in later and scanned and found the plex I was in and asked me in local if I was in it. I said i was and he put a sad face in local.
That Sad Face is proof that I made a real person feel bad in real life, so to save CCP the trouble of banning me I will biomass myself as an act of contrition.
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Dave Stark
4560
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:50:00 -
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Jayem See wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Jayem See wrote:Dave Stark wrote:31 pages? damn having a job really means i miss out on all the fun.
people still mad that dumb people are dumb, and some one took advantage of it. like every day both in and out of the game?
if so, i'm not sure why this has really got to 31 pages since there's not really much of a story here other than "dumb people be dumb, and people profit from it". And then carry the charade on for personal pleasure and ego-stroking. I don't see how you can realistically justify the extent of the situation they put this guy through. The rest of it was purely for enjoyment. Some people find that objectionable. most enjoyment in this game is derived from ruining some one's day. the difference is, this guy could close TS whenever he wanted. hell, it was easier for him to remove himself from this situation than it is to safely log out of eve. You discount the level of emotional attachment that was involved after a while. I am not defending the person that was scammed here at all. That someone is gullible and perhaps not that smart is not reason to prolong the situation for as long as it went on. That's my concern. The length of time that this went on is slightly disturbing to a number of people.
then he should have removed himself from the situation. |
Praise the Yeti
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:51:00 -
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Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Bottom line, CCP either does something about this or not. It's pedantry to talk about legality and court processes.
If it's a black eye, I am pretty sure CCP will do something about it. They have enough stuff written into their EULA, they can arbitrarily axe someone from the game any time they please. They don't need to provide an explanation or a rationale for it. They can simply do it.
If this recording upset you and they don't, then all you have is getting mad.
If this recording doesn't upset you and they do something, all you have is getting mad. So it is okay for FC's to rage and verbally abuse people in their fleets on comms but what Erotica did is different? |
Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
2377
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:51:00 -
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Qalix wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Such a long post when all you had to do was type "Star Citizen and Erotica1 will kill EVE" and be done with it.
What you see as a toxic brand identity , I see as an 'exclusive' brand identity. ie, Don't play EVE if you can't handle it.
Most people can't so they don't and more power to them.
This is but one asshat among many and Valkyrie is every bit as dangerous to "original" EVE as Star Citizen and the other games coming down the pipe. Is this a joke at the expense of valkyrie, or is it a joke at the expense of star citizen?
Quote:I love how some players like to pretend that EVE is difficult. It's not. Your woefully misguided mentality is the kind of thing that kills many businesses. "My product is great! Those people are just haters! I'm not going to change anything! We didn't want those customers anyway!" Its worked for 10 years, so why not? "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17428
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:51:00 -
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Anslo wrote: This is about players standing against the vitriolic and toxic nature of certain groups in eve who strive to ensure hate and spite are promoted so they get their 'kicks.'
Like yourself? Your anti ganking rants are truly something to behold.
Quote:This is not a call for a themepark. This is a call to return civility to the game. So sayeth the man that is more than willing to be uncivil in the pursuit of his own agenda.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5294
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:52:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Malcanis wrote:Dave Stark wrote:31 pages? damn having a job really means i miss out on all the fun.
people still mad that dumb people are dumb, and some one took advantage of it. like every day both in and out of the game?
if so, i'm not sure why this has really got to 31 pages since there's not really much of a story here other than "dumb people be dumb, and people profit from it". The mob demands blood i agree, that guy was completely racist and verbally abusive. he's not the type of player we want in this game.
But don't you know, his racism is totally ok because an evil video scammer made him be abuse to an Afro-Canadian guy. I saw video that Erotica1 was standing over the guy in his house with a hatchet to his throat making him spew the N word over comms, true story. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1747
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:52:00 -
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Literally,
"I don't like what this guy did even though its within the rules so I'm going to try and smear the company running the game and force them to do what I want!"
Honor was selected against in this game and no amount of reminiscing is going to bring it back. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
4506
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:52:00 -
[660] - Quote
TigerXtrm wrote:Erotica 1 wrote: I'm to page 19 now. Contrary to popular belief, Widot guys are actually pretty smart.
Serious question. Are you going to consider (or at least respond to) the concerns people have outed over what you've been doing? And I mean respond as a person, as the player behind the keyboard, not as the Erotica1 'internet persona' which we all know (hope?) is an act.
We could do that for the CSM podcast interview thing. Since everyone likes to assume things, I suppose I should just mention the following:
I'm Catholic, support gay rights, pro life (but support contraception), love discussing politics (and voting for the person not the party), totally against animal abuse, and all around average middle of the road American. Call me stupid, but I even give money to street corner beggars. Yeah, they could be scammers, but you know what, they might be homeless and hungry too.
No, I'm not calling the cops over all these people wanting me dead over internet space pixels lost by anonymous people. Sohkar's friend threatened in-game to gut me in real life. No, I didn't report that.
I would be happy to discuss the Erotica 1 brand on TS, perhaps for Massively? I was supposed to do an interview (and I suggested live bonus round) for PC Gamer awhile back but I put that off and forgot about it.
I'd also be happy to accept a position at CCP (feel free to create a position for me) and retire Ero. That'd be cool. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
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