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Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
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Posted - 2014.03.28 00:57:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Korhaka Mirunas wrote:Isn't it rather fair for people connected to Erotica to be common posters, what with it being about them? Its a small amount of vested individuals running a huge amount of damage control and interference vs a much larger dissenting population. If there where not so many people against what is happening in the Bonus Room, that wouldnt be necessary. Guess they are pooping their pants, and rightly so. Ah, the good old "false assumption of majority". Couldn't be a carebear without it. The fact of the matter is, that only a tiny proportion of EVE's population has posted in this thread. No matter what, we're all in the minority. Oh, and what law school did you say you went to?
On comms, I said something that like, only 14% of EVE even looks at the forums or knows they exist.
Salvos submitted "that even sounds like a generous estimate."
Truly the number of people who look at the forums is miniscule compared to the actual number of players.
So really, the people posting in this thread don't even represent 0.5% of the EVE population. AUT5M - Active WH Corporation seeking new recruits. Frequent fleets, perfect boosts, material buyback, and more. Battleship/Logi/T3 pilots needed. Inquire within. Full API required. |
Liese Shardani
Hedion University Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2014.03.28 00:57:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Xuixien wrote:Liese Shardani wrote:Kristalll wrote:So, to be clear, if you were walkign down the street, and saw someone with a booth that said "YOU COULD BE THE NEXT WINNER!" and was asking somone to sing karaoke, you would step in and stop his chances of winning? Okay, there's telling someone he has to sing karaoke to win a prize. Sounds harmless enough. But then there's telling him he has to sing with steak stuffed in his mouth and mayonnaise dribbling down his chin...and write Erotica 1 on his torso in mayonnaise...and take a picture of it. https://soundcloud.com/philip-smith-24/erotica-1-customerYou see those two things as equivalent? Where is the part that it's all entirely voluntary lost on you? Which part of, "We just took everything you have ever worked for in this game and if you don't participate in our sadistic ritual, you'll have no chance of getting it back", is lost on you? Mr Epeen The part where pixels aren't real seems to have escaped you. Well, *something's* real enough to keep y'all in here for days in a row defending this practice and your buddy. And for the rest of us in here voicing whatever opinions we've got about it.
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KnowUsByTheDead
Krypteia Operations CODE.
1140
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Posted - 2014.03.28 00:59:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote: I am a notable exception to that.
Mostly because you're Sohkar. And a lawyer, apparently.
Thought he was an air traffic controller?
Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
954
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Posted - 2014.03.28 00:59:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Its a small amount of vested individuals running a huge amount of damage control and interference vs a much larger dissenting population. If there where not so many people against what is happening in the Bonus Room, that wouldnt be necessary Who are these vested individuals?
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3892
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:00:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: The part where pixels aren't real seems to have escaped you.
Give me yours. No biggie. Just pixels after all. If you don't contract them over, then I will assume they have some value to you and your entire premise is moot. Logging in now. Mr Epeen
You weren't online, so I just added a 100k onto your bounty instead. o7 Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Genseric Tollaris
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
164
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:00:00 -
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Chibs Telford wrote:I have followed this affront to common decency across several forums, including this 300+ page threadnaught, and I felt it necessary to add my voice to the din, because to do nothing would make me just as guilty as those who commited this atrocity
Stopped reading there. I'm mean really, it's an atrocity now?
The next few decades in the west are going to be really entertaining, or horrifying depending on your perspective. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3892
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:01:00 -
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Liese Shardani wrote:Well, *something's* real enough to keep y'all in here for days in a row defending this practice and your buddy. And for the rest of us in here voicing whatever opinions we've got about it.
I'll tell you what I told the last guy.
Maybe I just don't like lynch mobs summoned up by the despicable Ripard Teg. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:01:00 -
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Chibs Telford wrote:Xuixien wrote:Chibs Telford wrote:~snip~ It's not torture because it fits no actual definition of torture. tor-+ture [tawr-cher] noun 1. the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty. 2. a method of inflicting such pain. 3. Often, tortures. the pain or suffering caused or undergone. 4. extreme anguish of body or mind; agony. 5. a cause of severe pain or anguish. I call your attention to numbers 2, 4 and 5
I add to this the definition of torture formulated by Amnesty International, and the implications of which as applied to Erotica1s activities in the Bonus Room are linked in my sig. -----For an elaboration on how Erotica1's conduct in his Bonus Room potentially constitutes torture----- https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4400219#post4400219 |
Prt Scr
569th Freelancers Eternal Evocations
21
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:01:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Its a small amount of vested individuals running a huge amount of damage control and interference vs a much larger dissenting population. If there where not so many people against what is happening in the Bonus Room, that wouldnt be necessary Who are these vested individuals? Goons |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3018
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:01:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Its a small amount of vested individuals running a huge amount of damage control and interference vs a much larger dissenting population. If there where not so many people against what is happening in the Bonus Room, that wouldnt be necessary Who are these vested individuals? Definitely not CCP and the bonus room is definitely not a CCP scheme to drive plex sales.
Oh god. |
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Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
1136
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:02:00 -
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Chibs Telford wrote:Xuixien wrote:Chibs Telford wrote:~snip~ It's not torture because it fits no actual definition of torture. tor-+ture [tawr-cher] noun 1. the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty. 2. a method of inflicting such pain. 3. Often, tortures. the pain or suffering caused or undergone. 4. extreme anguish of body or mind; agony. 5. a cause of severe pain or anguish. I call your attention to numbers 2, 4 and 5
2 - What pain was inflicted upon anyone except for Sohkar's computer desk? 4 - Number 4 describes an emotional state, so it's irrelevant; anyone can have any emotional reaction to any event. I broke my ankle one time (literally, broke), and hopped my way to the telephone to call 911 and giggled while I spoke to the dispatcher. Someone else can faint at the sight of blood. But let me humor you: Can you please explain how getting mad constitutes "extreme anguish of body or mind;agony." 5 - This refers just as it says, to a cause of severe pain or anguish. This is however a colloquial definition: "Man, watching that movie was torture!" and thus has no legal bearing. AUT5M - Active WH Corporation seeking new recruits. Frequent fleets, perfect boosts, material buyback, and more. Battleship/Logi/T3 pilots needed. Inquire within. Full API required. |
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:02:00 -
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H aVo K wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Coffee Rock wrote: Ban him, those involved in the bonus room crap, and all alt accounts.
Ban him for what, exactly? For being smart.
- For having the foresight to ensure that their marks are called "clients" to make things sound more legitimate.
- For having the foresight to ensure that their clients are treated with the utmost respect, while they're being asked to do things that strip away their dignity, so that everyone else can laugh at them
- For having the foresight to keep their actions within the grey area that is EVE morality (or lack thereof)
- For knowing that this would eventually happen, and making sure to take every precaution to make it hard to nail them for any wrongdoing
- For acting in a way that's vile, yet hard to write rules against. Rules that would inadvertently hammer those who simply partake in the more run of the mill, morally ambiguous stuff like murder, extortion, and theft, that take place in EVE at all times.
- For finding a way of doing something that *feels* too personal, without actually resorting to anything that actually *is* personal
To me, it honestly almost seems like they were trying too hard to keep their noses clean, because they knew that what they were doing was crossing the line. My gut feel is that that alone... that skirting of rules in order to be able to do something a bit edgier than just run of the mill scamming.... that that is worth seizing assets and banning for. Simply because it feels like they're playing a game with the anti-harassment portion of the rules. Personally, I think the part that bothers me the most about all of this, is that I'm *in* the "ban 'em" camp, but can't come up with a good explanation for why that wouldn't encompass half of the people playing EVE at any one time.
So basically for treating Sohkar with kindness and offering some player content to entertain him while he ship spins?
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5582
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:02:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:
Another comment made me choke on my cigarette smoke I was laughing so hard.
"Eroxxed!"
"***** forks!"
*edited so last word above would not get past language filter.
You're welcome :)
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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
746
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:03:00 -
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Chibs Telford wrote: How much is too much. Ask yourself, how far does it have to go before something should be done? The game is open for 13 and up. What if it were a child? What if that child snapped and killed himself? Would you finally find your conscience then?
Hyperbole was pages 2-331 check yourself before you wreck yourself.
ESRB does not rate online experiences. So if it is rated for 13+ it is irrlevent. Even if it was rated for 18+...people lie.
Let me ask you this, do you have a copy of teamspeak? If yes open it up, see that little red X up in the corner?
Problem solved.
Go exaggerate with Ripard over on his blog, you can all hold hands and sing kumbaya or some ****. |
Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
1136
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:04:00 -
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Liese Shardani wrote: Well, *something's* real enough to keep y'all in here for days in a row defending this practice and your buddy. And for the rest of us in here voicing whatever opinions we've got about it.
Personally I play for the community and friends I've made.
ISK is irrelevant to me beyond a means of keeping my accounts subbed.
Ships are really just a means to having fun, and if I was hard up, I'm sure a member of the community I'm in would have no problem giving me some. AUT5M - Active WH Corporation seeking new recruits. Frequent fleets, perfect boosts, material buyback, and more. Battleship/Logi/T3 pilots needed. Inquire within. Full API required. |
Chibs Telford
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:04:00 -
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Genseric Tollaris wrote:Chibs Telford wrote:I have followed this affront to common decency across several forums, including this 300+ page threadnaught, and I felt it necessary to add my voice to the din, because to do nothing would make me just as guilty as those who commited this atrocity Stopped reading there. I'm mean really, it's an atrocity now? The next few decades in the west are going to be really entertaining, or horrifying depending on your perspective.
Couldn't comment on the post so, attacked the person posting. That's about what I expected. |
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:04:00 -
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Lucine Delacourt wrote:None of this would be a problem if there was an in game method of "payback" for scammers. As is, they never undock and no amount of chest beating or forum posting will ever "punish" them. Obviously this is a particularly sadistic addition to scamming but most people would be fine with it if they could blow up a bunch of Erotica1's assets against his will.
While I think this whole thing is pretty revolting, I won't lose sleep if no one gets banned. On the other hand I also wouldn't lose sleep if people do.
You punish them within the meta.
Someone kills your ship, you kill their ship.
Someone metagames you, you metagame them.
Ruin the reputation and educate players as to scammer tactics. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10389
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:04:00 -
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Prt Scr wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Its a small amount of vested individuals running a huge amount of damage control and interference vs a much larger dissenting population. If there where not so many people against what is happening in the Bonus Room, that wouldnt be necessary Who are these vested individuals? Goons
ahahaha christ Twitter: @EVEAndski
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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1281
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:05:00 -
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Genseric Tollaris wrote:Chibs Telford wrote:I have followed this affront to common decency across several forums, including this 300+ page threadnaught, and I felt it necessary to add my voice to the din, because to do nothing would make me just as guilty as those who commited this atrocity Stopped reading there. I'm mean really, it's an atrocity now? It's the eve equivalent of the holocaust, didn't you hear? E1 is literally ******. |
Salvos Rhoska
823
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:05:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:[So really, the people posting in this thread don't even represent 0.5% of the EVE population.
Yes. A tiny representation. Just imagine how many more disprove of what you are doing in Bonus Room.
The more people know about what youve been up to, the more will express their condemnation of it, and thats quite an accomplishment in as hardened a community as this.
This is already to my knowledge the fastest growing and largest thread this board has ever seen.
And who are in the top posters? Me, vs you and your associates who are invested in Erotica1s activities, and 1-2 neutrals.
If you have to run as much damage control and interception as you poor guys are, you know you are in the ****** end of the stick. -----For an elaboration on how Erotica1's conduct in his Bonus Room potentially constitutes torture----- https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4400219#post4400219 |
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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
749
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:07:00 -
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Kristalll wrote:Lucine Delacourt wrote:None of this would be a problem if there was an in game method of "payback" for scammers. As is, they never undock and no amount of chest beating or forum posting will ever "punish" them. Obviously this is a particularly sadistic addition to scamming but most people would be fine with it if they could blow up a bunch of Erotica1's assets against his will.
While I think this whole thing is pretty revolting, I won't lose sleep if no one gets banned. On the other hand I also wouldn't lose sleep if people do. You punish them within the meta. Someone kills your ship, you kill their ship. Someone metagames you, you metagame them. Ruin the reputation and educate players as to scammer tactics.
What if you willingly give all your ships to the scammer! What then?
You can't do anything once you give up all your assets willingly. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3895
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:07:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Genseric Tollaris wrote:Chibs Telford wrote:I have followed this affront to common decency across several forums, including this 300+ page threadnaught, and I felt it necessary to add my voice to the din, because to do nothing would make me just as guilty as those who commited this atrocity Stopped reading there. I'm mean really, it's an atrocity now? It's the eve equivalent of the holocaust, didn't you hear? E1 is literally ******.
I think you mean, figuratively ******.
That's the biggest crime here. The Grammar Hammer is dangling above our heads like the Sword of Damocles. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
749
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:08:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Xuixien wrote:[So really, the people posting in this thread don't even represent 0.5% of the EVE population. Yes. A tiny representation. Just imagine how many more disprove of what you are doing in Bonus Room. The more people know about what youve been up to, the more will espress their condemnation of it, and thats quite an accomplishment in as hardened a dommunity as this. This is already to my knowledge the fastest growing and largest thread this board has ever seen. And who are in the top posters? Me, vs your associates who are invested in Erotica1s activities. If you have to run as much damage control and interception as you poor guys are, you know you are in the ****** end of the stick.
Jeez dude you have as many posts as the next 3 people combined. How much do you have invested in this? Let me guess around 4B in assets and 2 hours of your life? |
Tor Norman
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
77
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:08:00 -
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Chibs Telford wrote:First, "it's not torture because he could leave at any time.' Despite several posts and references to case studies in which roughly 8 out of 10 people in similar situations could not bring themselves to walk away from a situation they knew to be untenable, you still insist on defending this position? (look up "Prior Investment Trap" or read Scott Plous - the Psychology of Judgment and Decision Making Investment Traps) Arguements that it wasn't turture because he wasn't hung from the ceiling or had fingers removed are equally ludicrous. The type or degree of torture does not define torture, merely its severity.
Tor Norman wrote:For those of you just joining us and are a little confused where this threadnaught came from, allow me to explain the cycle of arguments that have been repeating until now.
Erotica 1 is mean and should be permabanned. Scamming people isn't against the game's rules. We're not discussing the scams, they're fine. We don't like the way he tortures his mark for hours. His mark can leave the conversation at any time they choose. But if he leaves, he forfeits all his space cash. He's forfeiting his space cash because he got scammed. Scamming people isn't against the game's rules. We're not discussing the scams, they're fine. We don't like the way he tortures his mark for hours. His mark can leave the conversation at any time they choose. But if he leaves, he forfeits all his space cash.
As of this writing, the cyclical argument has entered its 206th iteration. So far, nobody seems to have caught on. 338 WTF did I just read? |
Salvos Rhoska
823
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:09:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:How much do you have invested in this?
Only my opinion. -----For an elaboration on how Erotica1's conduct in his Bonus Room potentially constitutes torture----- https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4400219#post4400219 |
Genseric Tollaris
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
164
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:10:00 -
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Chibs Telford wrote:Genseric Tollaris wrote:Chibs Telford wrote:I have followed this affront to common decency across several forums, including this 300+ page threadnaught, and I felt it necessary to add my voice to the din, because to do nothing would make me just as guilty as those who commited this atrocity Stopped reading there. I'm mean really, it's an atrocity now? The next few decades in the west are going to be really entertaining, or horrifying depending on your perspective. Couldn't comment on the post so, attacked the person posting. That's about what I expected.
Nothing you've said is new, and nothing I have to say in response is new, so making a considerate comment on it would be as pointless as continuing to read this train wreck of a thread. |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
749
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:10:00 -
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I now have received 1 like in this thread for every page this thread has had.
Op Success. |
H aVo K
Tycheon Industries Northern Associates.
58
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:11:00 -
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Chibs Telford wrote:Xuixien wrote:Chibs Telford wrote:~snip~ It's not torture because it fits no actual definition of torture. tor-+ture [tawr-cher] noun 1. the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty. 2. a method of inflicting such pain. 3. Often, tortures. the pain or suffering caused or undergone. 4. extreme anguish of body or mind; agony. 5. a cause of severe pain or anguish. I call your attention to numbers 2, 4 and 5
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2340
As used in this chapterGÇö (1) GÇ£tortureGÇ¥ means an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control;
I call your attention to the bolded and underlined portion of the text.
We've already established that it wasn't torture. Please choose another catchy and polarizing word, which has already had 20+ pages written about it, and try again. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3895
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:11:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:I now have received 1 like in this thread for every page this thread has had.
Op Success.
Tch, *****. I'm well above 450. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
954
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:13:00 -
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Chibs Telford wrote:How much is too much. Ask yourself, how far does it have to go before something should be done? The game is open for 13 and up. What if it were a child? What if that child snapped and killed himself? Would you finally find your conscience then? This thread is big enough just dealing with the "what is" let alone dealing also with the "what if".
However from my own perspective, if we were dealing with something different, then the discussion would also be different, as would the divide of people.
eve-bazaar - Discount prices on ships and PLEX. Real savings to drive your ISK further. |
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