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Danalee
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
555
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Posted - 2014.03.25 20:55:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:[ Don't blame me, blame the public school system. But I did ask you to clarify and you refused. Doesn't seem very nice. I thought you were nice? I guess I was wrong 2 times today.
He wasn't nice to you? TWO TIMES?!
TAKE THAT PAUPER TO COURT, NOW!
D.
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
541
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Posted - 2014.03.25 20:56:00 -
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Kadl wrote:Volar Kang wrote:Sadly, I have to agree that no terms of the game were violated. Erotica talked the person out of the game and into another environment where the humiliation took place. I would not expect CCP to become involved. On the other hand, there is something seriously wrong with Erotica and her friends.
So Erotica1 offered in game items for out of game services. You sing for me and you will get all of these items back. That is RMT, which CCP dislikes with a passion. Just because something happens outside of CCPs servers doesn't mean that they should ignore it.
Singing is a currency these days? My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
16898
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Posted - 2014.03.25 20:57:00 -
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Kadl wrote:Volar Kang wrote:Sadly, I have to agree that no terms of the game were violated. Erotica talked the person out of the game and into another environment where the humiliation took place. I would not expect CCP to become involved. On the other hand, there is something seriously wrong with Erotica and her friends.
So Erotica1 offered in game items for out of game services. You sing for me and you will get all of these items back. That is RMT, which CCP dislikes with a passion. Just because something happens outside of CCPs servers doesn't mean that they should ignore it. Could you point out the RMT part, I seem to have missed it. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. Kimmi's Thinking Cosy. |
Navi Annages
The Scope Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2014.03.25 20:57:00 -
[904] - Quote
Kadl wrote:Volar Kang wrote:Sadly, I have to agree that no terms of the game were violated. Erotica talked the person out of the game and into another environment where the humiliation took place. I would not expect CCP to become involved. On the other hand, there is something seriously wrong with Erotica and her friends.
So Erotica1 offered in game items for out of game services. You sing for me and you will get all of these items back. That is RMT, which CCP dislikes with a passion. Just because something happens outside of CCPs servers doesn't mean that they should ignore it.
Sure it doesn't mean it should. But if CCP were to intervene now. They would have to intervene each and every time for the foreseeable future. Do you think they want to be tied up in petty disputes or working on real issues. You do the math. |
Cultural Enrichment
Jenkem Puffing Association
19
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Posted - 2014.03.25 20:57:00 -
[905] - Quote
Allow me to reiterate on the reality of cyber bullying:
Quote:Hahahahahahahaha How The **** Is Cyber Bullying Real Hahahaha ***** Just Walk Away From The Screen Like ***** Close Your Eyes Haha |
Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
313
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Posted - 2014.03.25 20:57:00 -
[906] - Quote
I am appaled at what he's doing, but I also get Malcanis' point of view, if it is the one I think it is.
Basically, you can't punish somebody who hasn't broken any rules, and doing so in spite of it would create a dangerous precedent. In that regard, CCP's hands are more or less tied unless they want to invoke their TOS' arbitrary savior clause.
What a lot of people on the pages 1-5 are apparently forgetting is the fact CCP created those rules; there is no reason they couldn't adapt them to the situation. Failure to do so would border on criminal negligence, IMHO. |
Bjurn Akely
Knights of Nii The 20 Minuters
40
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Posted - 2014.03.25 20:58:00 -
[907] - Quote
Malcanis wrote: If I hook up with another EVE player who happens to be from say Japan, should CCP have the right and duty to ban me if the GM involved disapproves of inter-racial relationships? What about homosexual relationships?
What if I encourage another player to log in to fleet and miss church on sunday?
Where exactly does CCP's "responsibility" end?
What are you talking about? Is it really that hard to understand?
Erotica1 and his pals went off the game and into TS just because their actions would get them banned. Hence it follows they knew it was unacceptable behavior. So does each and every one of us with one iota of compassion. It's that simple, really.
I saw a suggestion CCP should have a EULA stating they could ban people for doing really bad stuff related to the game. I'd be fine with that. This is such a thing I'd be happy to see them act upon. |
Morihei Akachi
Nishida Corporation
37
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Posted - 2014.03.25 20:58:00 -
[908] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:GǪ I have my own opinions on this too. It would be really interesting at some point to hear them. CCPGÇÖs policy at the moment is clearly not to intervene (otherwise it would have done a long time ago: this is by no means new behaviour on the part of E1), but it would be interesting to know how happy you guys are with that as a modus operandi, and whether you think that a change would be feasible/desirable. |
Navi Annages
The Scope Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:01:00 -
[909] - Quote
Morihei Akachi wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:GǪ I have my own opinions on this too. It would be really interesting at some point to hear them. CCPGÇÖs policy at the moment is clearly not to intervene (otherwise it would have done a long time ago: this is by no means new behaviour on the part of E1), but it would be interesting to know how happy you guys are with that as a modus operandi, and whether you think that a change would be feasible/desirable.
Everything is working as intended.
Erotica1 for CSM!! |
Kadl
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
108
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:01:00 -
[910] - Quote
TigerXtrm wrote:Kadl wrote:Volar Kang wrote:Sadly, I have to agree that no terms of the game were violated. Erotica talked the person out of the game and into another environment where the humiliation took place. I would not expect CCP to become involved. On the other hand, there is something seriously wrong with Erotica and her friends.
So Erotica1 offered in game items for out of game services. You sing for me and you will get all of these items back. That is RMT, which CCP dislikes with a passion. Just because something happens outside of CCPs servers doesn't mean that they should ignore it. Singing is a currency these days?
No. Neither are cigarettes in most of the world. If I offered you 100,000 isk for a pack of cigarettes it would still be a banable trade. Don't get hung up on the acronym, your literalism won't help you with CCP. |
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Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
1465
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:03:00 -
[911] - Quote
Kadl wrote:Volar Kang wrote:Sadly, I have to agree that no terms of the game were violated. Erotica talked the person out of the game and into another environment where the humiliation took place. I would not expect CCP to become involved. On the other hand, there is something seriously wrong with Erotica and her friends.
So Erotica1 offered in game items for out of game services. You sing for me and you will get all of these items back. That is RMT, which CCP dislikes with a passion. Just because something happens outside of CCPs servers doesn't mean that they should ignore it.
And I liked CCP Gargant too.. hate that he's going to get a ban.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=308111 I know violence isn't the answer. I got it wrong on purpose. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10585
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:03:00 -
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Cultural Enrichment wrote:Allow me to reiterate on the reality of cyber bullying: Quote:Hahahahahahahaha How The **** Is Cyber Bullying Real Hahahaha ***** Just Walk Away From The Screen Like ***** Close Your Eyes Haha
And let me point out that getting someone to sing and record it is not cyber bullying. Cyber bullying or any bullying is something that happens over months/years and is a constant bombardment of hate.
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
872
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:04:00 -
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Kadl wrote:Volar Kang wrote:Sadly, I have to agree that no terms of the game were violated. Erotica talked the person out of the game and into another environment where the humiliation took place. I would not expect CCP to become involved. On the other hand, there is something seriously wrong with Erotica and her friends.
So Erotica1 offered in game items for out of game services. You sing for me and you will get all of these items back. That is RMT, which CCP dislikes with a passion. Just because something happens outside of CCPs servers doesn't mean that they should ignore it. That is not RMT. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
2406
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:04:00 -
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Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Yes, but we're not talking about the consequences within Eve. We're talking about the consequences outside of Eve. Sure, different domains have different standards and rules. But the idea of shifting the blame to the victim is a very HTFU sort of thing, which we generally don't endorse as an ideal in Western society, IRL.
When this guy was kept on voice comms for 2 hours, when his wife became involved, when they mocked his RL speech impediment, this wasn't Eve inside the game client anymore. It became very personal and very RL very fast.
The only thing keeping him on voice comms was greed, which is apparently a stronger motivator than shame or dignity. Real victims aren't afforded the opportunity to walk away. From personal experience I can say that being on comms for 2 hours, getting wives involved, yelling, cursing, are all very much a part of Eve. Heck, there's even are even plausible (even excusable) reasons to make fun of someone's speech impediment in Eve (if taunting someone with a speech impediment is required to gain the trust of some ******* in order to pull of the perfect heist, is it okay?).
I have trouble drawing the line where any of this is "outside of Eve." The guy submitted himself to all those humiliations because he was playing Eve and hoping to get Eve money. Erotica1 and company might be taking sadistic pleasure from the whole thing, or it could be a calculated attempt to build up erotica1's own infamy, a very eve-like goal (its both). Its certainly true that if erotica had just taken the isk and forgone the humiliation (as MANY people have suggested as a morally acceptable alternative), this whole thread wouldn't have taken place, or been referenced on en24 or massively. And all the isk in the world won't buy you that publicity. You can draw a straight line from humiliating this guy directly to in-game gain.
Untangling where Eve ends and RL begins is way way harder than you seem to think it is. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
16898
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:04:00 -
[915] - Quote
Kadl wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:Kadl wrote:Volar Kang wrote:Sadly, I have to agree that no terms of the game were violated. Erotica talked the person out of the game and into another environment where the humiliation took place. I would not expect CCP to become involved. On the other hand, there is something seriously wrong with Erotica and her friends.
So Erotica1 offered in game items for out of game services. You sing for me and you will get all of these items back. That is RMT, which CCP dislikes with a passion. Just because something happens outside of CCPs servers doesn't mean that they should ignore it. Singing is a currency these days? No. Neither are cigarettes in most of the world. If I offered you 100,000 isk for a pack of cigarettes it would still be a banable trade. Don't get hung up on the acronym, your literalism won't help you with CCP. You do know CCP allows pilots to offer services for ISK, right?
So again, please point to the RMT as I seem to have missed it. No rush, take your time. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. Kimmi's Thinking Cosy. |
Kadl
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
108
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:05:00 -
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Morihei Akachi wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:GǪ I have my own opinions on this too. It would be really interesting at some point to hear them. CCPGÇÖs policy at the moment is clearly not to intervene (otherwise it would have done a long time ago: this is by no means new behaviour on the part of E1), but it would be interesting to know how happy you guys are with that as a modus operandi, and whether you think that a change would be feasible/desirable.
CCP could just be behind the times on this. After all they are trying to find exciting new things to do with their internet spaceship game. They are not quite so interested in looking for all the ways that sadists try to cause misery and pain (otherwise they would be in a different business). My hope is that they start thinking about ways to encourage good sportsmanship within the community. We could really use some. |
rodyas
tie fighters inc
1325
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:05:00 -
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Morihei Akachi wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:GǪ I have my own opinions on this too. It would be really interesting at some point to hear them. CCPGÇÖs policy at the moment is clearly not to intervene (otherwise it would have done a long time ago: this is by no means new behaviour on the part of E1), but it would be interesting to know how happy you guys are with that as a modus operandi, and whether you think that a change would be feasible/desirable.
I don't think CCP had the bonus room in mind when they crafted their game policy.
Or a policy in place in case the bubonic plague finds a way to spread and contaminate through emails. Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne |
Forum Clone 77777
Do You Even Irony Broew
187
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:06:00 -
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Pew Terror wrote:Forum Clone 77777 wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote: The perpetrators coerced the victim into an out of game context, by means of his (or CCPs) ingame assets. What happened in that out of game context, is potentially illegal.
Tell me exactly why this is illegal? If I walk up to some random dude on the street and ask them to sing me some songs, is that illegal? No, and if the dude thinks Im bothering him, he can ignore me, walk away, or he can do what this guy on this recording did, and throw a tantrum, right there on the street. Any normal person wouldnt do that, I mean, I dont think so. And if that had been recorded, it wouldnt, atleast not where I live, have been an illegal recording, as it was recorded in a public space. Its not quite the same, but there is really nothing wrong (other than maybe personal moral issues, or whatever else) with what Erotica 1 is doing. Not unless CCP change their rules on scamming. Your initial situation is slightly wrong. Imagine you just made a legal binding contract with said random person for life insurance paying a monthly of 300 dollars for the next 30 years. You were able to do this because you are rethorically good and the customer made a rash decision. No laws were broken. Now you tell him in order for you to relieve him from the contract he needs to do a series of escalating self humiliations. You never intended of ever relieving him from said contract.
No, my situation is exactly how you should see it, and thats where you are wrong. NOTHING is taken from the "victim" You have to stop thinking in "Mine and yours" when it comes to the EVE assets. When you "give" Player Y Item X on EVE, basically what is happening is that CCP is taking away your ability to use Item X and giving Player Y the ability to do so. Its not yours or mine. So when it comes to the teamspeak recording, you really have to leave out everything EVE related, as it has litterally no matter or value to what is happening. It has PERCIEVED VALUE AND MATTER, but it does not, its abit hard to grasp, but thats really how it is.
So when he entered that teamspeak, all they did was ask him to sing some songs and he started throwing insults and threats. I did miss the part where Erotica 1 made fun of his speech problem? I skipped the slow part of the assets changing hands and all that and went directly to the "conflicting" bit. Ill go ahead and believe that Erotica 1 did make fun of his speech problems, but I can hardly classify that as harrassment, if anything, its just abit low, and the guy was entirely able to leave at any time, he was in no way stuck or being held captive in the teamspeak room. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1044
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:06:00 -
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Winchester Steele wrote:Lunkwill Khashour wrote:Personally I don't feel comfortable supporting any entity that allows that which Erotica did to happen.
Troll all you want but I'm not sure I'll continue my subscription if there isn't a strong signal from CCP. Aaaand there it is. The cry of the entitled. "You better do as I say or I'll unsub." Allow me to retort. 1) Bye. 2) Nah. Why say bye? Everyone, including CCP knows your full of it. 3) ??????? Without taking sides, since when is the idea of using your power as a buyer to not purchase a service, the only real power a consumer has to affect change in a company, a cry of entitlement? |
Navi Annages
The Scope Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:07:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Yes, but we're not talking about the consequences within Eve. We're talking about the consequences outside of Eve. Sure, different domains have different standards and rules. But the idea of shifting the blame to the victim is a very HTFU sort of thing, which we generally don't endorse as an ideal in Western society, IRL.
When this guy was kept on voice comms for 2 hours, when his wife became involved, when they mocked his RL speech impediment, this wasn't Eve inside the game client anymore. It became very personal and very RL very fast. The only thing keeping him on voice comms was greed, which is apparently a stronger motivator than shame or dignity. Real victims aren't afforded the opportunity to walk away. From personal experience I can say that being on comms for 2 hours, getting wives involved, yelling, cursing, are all very much a part of Eve. Heck, there's even are even plausible (even excusable) reasons to make fun of someone's speech impediment in Eve (if taunting someone with a speech impediment is required to gain the trust of some ******* in order to pull of the perfect heist, is it okay?). I have trouble drawing the line where any of this is "outside of Eve." The guy submitted himself to all those humiliations because he was playing Eve and hoping to get Eve money. Erotica1 and company might be taking sadistic pleasure from the whole thing, or it could be a calculated attempt to build up erotica1's own infamy, a very eve-like goal (its both). Its certainly true that if erotica had just taken the isk and forgone the humiliation (as MANY people have suggested as a morally acceptable alternative), this whole thread wouldn't have taken place, or been referenced on en24 or massively. And all the isk in the world won't buy you that publicity. You can draw a straight line from humiliating this guy directly to in-game gain. Untangling where Eve ends and RL begins is way way harder than you seem to think it is.
Well written Sir. |
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Dave Stark
4615
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:07:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Cultural Enrichment wrote:Allow me to reiterate on the reality of cyber bullying: Quote:Hahahahahahahaha How The **** Is Cyber Bullying Real Hahahaha ***** Just Walk Away From The Screen Like ***** Close Your Eyes Haha And let me point out that getting someone to sing and record it is not cyber bullying. Cyber bullying or any bullying is something that happens over months/years and is a constant bombardment of hate.
and usually where the victim is unable to remove themselves from the situation with the click of one mouse button. |
Malcolm from Marketing
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
44
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:07:00 -
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Sirinda wrote:I am appaled at what he's doing, but I also get Malcanis' point of view, if it is the one I think it is.
Basically, you can't punish somebody who hasn't broken any rules, and doing so in spite of it would create a dangerous precedent. In that regard, CCP's hands are more or less tied unless they want to invoke their TOS' arbitrary savior clause.
What a lot of people on the pages 1-5 are apparently forgetting is the fact CCP created those rules; there is no reason they couldn't adapt them to the situation. Failure to do so would border on criminal negligence, IMHO.
Ive said it multiple times to multiple people in this thread.
The Mittani + Fan fest.
It happened, he broke no rules, yet he got a temp ban and was forced from his position. That was the right thing to do in that situation, its also my opinion that Erotica should have all his assets/isk removed and also receive a ban, but i have morals so i guess im in the minority. |
Dave Stark
4615
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:10:00 -
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Malcolm from Marketing wrote:Sirinda wrote:I am appaled at what he's doing, but I also get Malcanis' point of view, if it is the one I think it is.
Basically, you can't punish somebody who hasn't broken any rules, and doing so in spite of it would create a dangerous precedent. In that regard, CCP's hands are more or less tied unless they want to invoke their TOS' arbitrary savior clause.
What a lot of people on the pages 1-5 are apparently forgetting is the fact CCP created those rules; there is no reason they couldn't adapt them to the situation. Failure to do so would border on criminal negligence, IMHO. Ive said it multiple times to multiple people in this thread. The Mittani + Fan fest. It happened, he broke no rules, yet he got a temp ban and was forced from his position. That was the right thing to do in that situation, its also my opinion that Erotica should have all his assets/isk removed and also receive a ban, but i have morals so i guess im in the minority.
the difference is, the mittani told people to add him and made comments about the guy possibly committing suicide. that's vastly different to what happened here. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
2555
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:10:00 -
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Malcolm from Marketing wrote:Sirinda wrote:I am appaled at what he's doing, but I also get Malcanis' point of view, if it is the one I think it is.
Basically, you can't punish somebody who hasn't broken any rules, and doing so in spite of it would create a dangerous precedent. In that regard, CCP's hands are more or less tied unless they want to invoke their TOS' arbitrary savior clause.
What a lot of people on the pages 1-5 are apparently forgetting is the fact CCP created those rules; there is no reason they couldn't adapt them to the situation. Failure to do so would border on criminal negligence, IMHO. Ive said it multiple times to multiple people in this thread. The Mittani + Fan fest. It happened, he broke no rules, yet he got a temp ban and was forced from his position. That was the right thing to do in that situation, its also my opinion that Erotica should have all his assets/isk removed and also receive a ban, but i have morals so i guess im in the minority.
And what punishment should the caller get? *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
16902
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:11:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Malcolm from Marketing wrote:Sirinda wrote:I am appaled at what he's doing, but I also get Malcanis' point of view, if it is the one I think it is.
Basically, you can't punish somebody who hasn't broken any rules, and doing so in spite of it would create a dangerous precedent. In that regard, CCP's hands are more or less tied unless they want to invoke their TOS' arbitrary savior clause.
What a lot of people on the pages 1-5 are apparently forgetting is the fact CCP created those rules; there is no reason they couldn't adapt them to the situation. Failure to do so would border on criminal negligence, IMHO. Ive said it multiple times to multiple people in this thread. The Mittani + Fan fest. It happened, he broke no rules, yet he got a temp ban and was forced from his position. That was the right thing to do in that situation, its also my opinion that Erotica should have all his assets/isk removed and also receive a ban, but i have morals so i guess im in the minority. And what punishment should the caller get? Made to sing 2 songs would be a start. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. Kimmi's Thinking Cosy. |
Don Aubaris
93
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:12:00 -
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Seems some people don't understand how much 1 billion is. If you only have 1 billion in assets you probably worked for it in Eve. That's not $20 but hours and hours and hours in gameplay. The emotional tie to that is alot stronger then with someone who just buys a PLEX and sells it. I can understand that guy trying to get that back. He is not gonna make the bill and say 'oh well I can buy it all back tomorrow' I can understand him exploding and crossing a line. Not that this is a smart or acceptable thing to do.
I do not understand the 'fun' one gets out of pushing someone to his breaking point.
Anyway..this thread tells me I have to call my parents tomorrow. Thank them thousand times for giving me a decent upbringing with a moral compass. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10586
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:13:00 -
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Malcolm from Marketing wrote:Sirinda wrote:I am appaled at what he's doing, but I also get Malcanis' point of view, if it is the one I think it is.
Basically, you can't punish somebody who hasn't broken any rules, and doing so in spite of it would create a dangerous precedent. In that regard, CCP's hands are more or less tied unless they want to invoke their TOS' arbitrary savior clause.
What a lot of people on the pages 1-5 are apparently forgetting is the fact CCP created those rules; there is no reason they couldn't adapt them to the situation. Failure to do so would border on criminal negligence, IMHO. Ive said it multiple times to multiple people in this thread. The Mittani + Fan fest. It happened, he broke no rules, yet he got a temp ban and was forced from his position. That was the right thing to do in that situation, its also my opinion that Erotica should have all his assets/isk removed and also receive a ban, but i have morals so i guess im in the minority.
A member of BATs was recorded by nulli singing the theam tune to my little pony (badly). They attempted to use it to get us to kick him out of goons. We laughed at this as did our corp member.
We have in the past told people who messed up in a fleet to sing on comms to make amends.
We have gotten people to place plungers on their heads and apologise via a photo of them doing it for crimes they have committed.
I guess you consider these bullying too? Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17473
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:13:00 -
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Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Thaylon Sen wrote:Not only is it a sad reflection on the Game, it's a sad reflection on a society that people like Erotica get their kicks in this way. What's sadder is all of the people focusing only on what Erotica did, and completely ignoring the real life threats and racism of the so called "victim". Even worse are the people who are equating Eroticas actions with violent sexual assault and real world crimes. Yes, you make it all sound so melodramatic. Well done Shakespeare. Nope that's the way it is, people such as yourself are able to disregard the racism and threats of physical violence that occured over some spaceships pixels and decide to instead vilify the recipient of those threats.
Answer this honestly. Do you feel that Erotica, despite his distasteful way of playing Eve, deserves to have somebody threaten his family and to gut him in real life over some internet spaceships?
I humbly await your no doubt enlightening response.
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
3104
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:13:00 -
[929] - Quote
I find all of this thoroughly entertaining.
I can tell a lot of people haven't listened to the whole audio file. The end is the best part!
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Forum Clone 77777
Do You Even Irony Broew
189
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:14:00 -
[930] - Quote
Malcolm from Marketing wrote:Sirinda wrote:I am appaled at what he's doing, but I also get Malcanis' point of view, if it is the one I think it is.
Basically, you can't punish somebody who hasn't broken any rules, and doing so in spite of it would create a dangerous precedent. In that regard, CCP's hands are more or less tied unless they want to invoke their TOS' arbitrary savior clause.
What a lot of people on the pages 1-5 are apparently forgetting is the fact CCP created those rules; there is no reason they couldn't adapt them to the situation. Failure to do so would border on criminal negligence, IMHO. Ive said it multiple times to multiple people in this thread. The Mittani + Fan fest. It happened, he broke no rules, yet he got a temp ban and was forced from his position. That was the right thing to do in that situation, its also my opinion that Erotica should have all his assets/isk removed and also receive a ban, but i have morals so i guess im in the minority.
How is someone calling out, on a live broadcast, to everyone thats listening that "Person X implied he might commit suicide so lets all harrass him and see if its true", comparable to trying to trick someone into singing a song on teamspeak?
I guess we are litterally universes apart in how we think. |
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