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handige harrie
Hedion University Amarr Empire
211
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:12:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:So.... if its not against the EULA of a video game, its ok in real life huh? Read you, daft cow. Notice the phrase "its not illegal". So yes, it is ok in real life. i'm 100% sure that kicking some one in the face, is not legal. it's assault.
He did state he would not kick, he just stated he would laugh. You are allowed to laugh, you're even encouraged to laugh irl.
Bad reading is however frowned upon, both in real life as on the internet. Baddest poster ever |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
557
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:12:00 -
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I am not causing anyone misfortune by laughing or applauding.
The same cannot be said of Erotica1.
Nice try though! |
Dave Stark
4649
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:13:00 -
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Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Dave: This is an irrelevant spaceship game. Dave: Pardon me while I make 30 important posts about it.
Clear enough now?
other than in this game, this game is relevant nowhere.
in the context of this discussion, it's an irrelevant spaceship game that generally the world doesn't give two ***** about vs laws that everyone must follow.
context is important, you should understand it before posting. |
Navi Annages
The Scope Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:13:00 -
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Lachra wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:Cool, almost to page 50. I have the greatest level of respect for this awesome game CCP lets us play. If Hilmar posted in this thread something like "Hey Ero, a lot of us think the bonus rounds are really funny, but we would prefer if you did xzy differently, maybe start a bank instead," I would totally honor his request. So many people up in arms over something that happened awhile ago (and widely read on www.minerbumping.com in a 4 part series) because some guy named Ripard? posted something. Instead of the "to the stakes!" talk, let's do what CCP falcon asked early on and remain civil. Thanks. I just finished listening to the soundcloud file myself. When I say finished, I mean that I couldn't actually stomach listening to the end. Someone who can continue to play to their friends amusement whilst a man gets that upset that his wife has to beg them to stop is a special kind of desperate. When CCP outlined the design and mechanics for this game that would promote their vision for a multiplayer community, I doubt this is what they had in mind. So, in that spirit if for nothing else, and even though it is a short-term solution to a large problem, I join others here who call for Erotica1 to be publicly struck from the game. This kind of action is usually performed within a confidential basis via the petitioning/ticketing system, but as these individuals have decided to make the sport of their victims a public event, perhaps CCP should perform likewise in this unique circumstance? **I will be putting this through as a petition to CCP in-game also, I would ask others with a like mind to do the same & maybe we can make a case.
Don't forget to to petition that the victim indicated he would cause imminent harm to the player known as Erotica1. The knife must cut both ways. Luckily the law doesn't take well to death threats. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10617
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:13:00 -
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Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Dave: This is an irrelevant spaceship game. Dave: Pardon me while I make 30 important posts about it.
Clear enough now?
Cant speak for Dave but we are well known for our love for posting. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Winchester Steele
516
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:14:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Tauranon wrote:The sum total of harm is a couple of hours of frustration, a days worth of farming (of virtual assets the player doesn't really own anyway), and if the player really, really, really wants to get away from the experience, trade the character. You are underestimating the severity of this situation. Extortion and blackmail are a federal felony in the US.
You are such a bad poster. Reading your posts is like watching a bad accident. It's awful, gross and makes no sense but I just can't stop rubbernecking.
I mean you are literally redefining my conception of what it means to be a shitlord.
Please stop posting before I get fired for laughing at your silly melodramatic nonsense.
Lawyer my ass. You are 18-19 tops, still in high school I would guess. There is no way a lawyer could be THIS dumb. On the off chance I'm wrong, may Bob help your clients. This game is built around the likes of us. It's not the assholes that are playing the wrong game. - James Amril-Kesh. |
Dave Stark
4649
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:14:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:I am not causing anyone misfortune by laughing or applauding. The same cannot be said of Erotica1. Nice try though!
so why aren't you laughing at the racist who was robbed of 1bn isk of assets? clearly you should be, apparently that's what makes you happy.
you're the biggest hypocrite in this thread, and people like you are undermining any shred of credible argument being put forward by the witch-hunters. |
Xander Delacroix
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
47
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:14:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Xander Delacroix wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Erotica 1 got someone to sing.
You want someone to kick them in the face in RL.
I wonder, which is worse...
Oh God, I'm about to defend Salvos Rhoska... THIS is how bad this is. Still, here goes. Salvos did not say that he wanted someone to kick E1 in the face, just that he'd laugh and/or applaud 'if' someone did. So you're defending him in condoning RL violence?
Not at all. I'm pretty sure all of the words I used were English and two syllables or less. I'd be happy to explain any that are beyond you. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10617
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:15:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:I am not causing anyone misfortune by laughing or applauding. The same cannot be said of Erotica1. Nice try though!
Normal people do not laugh and applaud when someone kicks someone else in the face.
Getting someone to sing on comms is nowhere near the same thing. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
2582
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:15:00 -
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handige harrie wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:So.... if its not against the EULA of a video game, its ok in real life huh? Read you, daft cow. Notice the phrase "its not illegal". So yes, it is ok in real life. i'm 100% sure that kicking some one in the face, is not legal. it's assault. He did state he would not kick, he just stated he would laugh. You are allowed to laugh, you're even encouraged to laugh irl. Bad reading is however frowned upon, both in real life as on the internet.
He said he thought it was ok for Erotica to be kicked in the face
Im not sure how that translates to him thinking its not alright to kick someone in the face for being annoying *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
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Dave Stark
4664
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:16:00 -
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handige harrie wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:So.... if its not against the EULA of a video game, its ok in real life huh? Read you, daft cow. Notice the phrase "its not illegal". So yes, it is ok in real life. i'm 100% sure that kicking some one in the face, is not legal. it's assault. He did state he would not kick, he just stated he would laugh. You are allowed to laugh, you're even encouraged to laugh irl. Bad reading is however frowned upon, both in real life as on the internet.
so if we're all allowed to laugh at these events, why are people demonising erotica? |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
560
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:17:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Getting someone to sing on comms is nowhere near the same thing. I dont hear anyone singing gleefully in that recording.
I hear a group of sadists circlejerking with sweaty palms amidst much heavy breathing at the suffering they can inflict on a person outside of the game. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
808
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:17:00 -
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What happened here? A new record for thread popularity?
It seems like I went to bed just a few hours ago when this was just barely on page 3 and I wake up to page 54.
Erotica 1 certainly seems popular. eve-bazaar - Discount prices on ships and PLEX. Real savings to drive your ISK further. |
Jill Chastot
Oath of the Forsaken Sanguis Ignis Prosperitum
263
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:17:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Dave Stark wrote:just going to point out that you've confirmed your stance that running a scam in a game that encourages scams, is to you, less acceptable than physical violence. I would laugh and applaud if someone kicked Erotica1 in the face at a Fanfest. Nothing illegal about laughing or applauding, nor is it against EULA. I would also laugh and applaud if Erotica1 was banned from the game. Again, nothing illegal about laughing or applauding, nor is it against EULA. Wouldn't you?
... So assault is okay? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=298596&find=unread OATHS wants you. Come to the WH "Safety in eve is the greatest fallacy you will ever encounter. Once you accept this you will truely enjoy this game."
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Dave Stark
4664
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:17:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Dave: This is an irrelevant spaceship game. Dave: Pardon me while I make 30 important posts about it.
Clear enough now? Cant speak for Dave but we are well known for our love for posting.
sometimes i do, sometimes i don't.
i fall in and out of love with it, along with the occasional CCP advised vacations. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
3114
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:18:00 -
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I was just thinking about something, listening to that last part of the recording: Think about all the energy the scam victim expended towards the end... I mean, he's tired, it's been a long day, and he's been stressing about the possibility of a scam for 1.5 hours. Then he RAGES for a solid 30 minutes. Nuts. Slamming on the table, shouting, freaking out.
I bet he had a really good night's sleep. I bet he slept like a rock.
As someone with frequent insomnia, I envy that.
I hope he's not taking that for granted.
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Dave Stark
4664
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:18:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:baltec1 wrote:Getting someone to sing on comms is nowhere near the same thing. I dont hear anyone singing gleefully in that recording. I hear a group of sadists circlejerking with sweaty palms amidst much heavy breathing at the suffering they can inflict on a person outside of the game.
guess you didn't get to the end where the "victim" broke out in to a tirade of racial slurs and real life threats, then? |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
16919
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:18:00 -
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Xander Delacroix wrote:Mag's wrote:Xander Delacroix wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Erotica 1 got someone to sing.
You want someone to kick them in the face in RL.
I wonder, which is worse...
Oh God, I'm about to defend Salvos Rhoska... THIS is how bad this is. Still, here goes. Salvos did not say that he wanted someone to kick E1 in the face, just that he'd laugh and/or applaud 'if' someone did. So you're defending him in condoning RL violence? Not at all. I'm pretty sure all of the words I used were English and two syllables or less. I'd be happy to explain any that are beyond you. Not at all. I just fail to see how anyone could defend his stance. He is after all, condoning violence over a singing contest. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. Kimmi's Thinking Cosy. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10624
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:19:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:baltec1 wrote:Getting someone to sing on comms is nowhere near the same thing. I dont hear anyone singing gleefully in that recording. I hear a group of sadists circlejerking with sweaty palms amidst much heavy breathing at the suffering they can inflict on a person outside of the game.
And here you are saying you would find someone assaulting someone else in RL funny. An event that in my country would be delt with via the police arresting them for battery/assault, and section 5 of the public order act. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
560
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:19:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:guess you didn't get to the end where the "victim" broke out in to a tirade of racial slurs and real life threats, then?
Was that the part where you finally orgasmed? |
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Toshiro Ozuwara
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
431
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:20:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:context is important, you should understand it before posting. Dave: Eve is irrelevant unless Dave is talking about it. Dave: That's called "context". The context is Dave. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
560
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:20:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:An event that in my country would be delt with via the police arresting them for battery/assault, and section 5 of the public order act.
I dont think even in your country people are arresting for laughing or applauding. |
Jacabon Mere
Capital Storm. The Storm Collective
63
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:20:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:baltec1 wrote:Getting someone to sing on comms is nowhere near the same thing. I dont hear anyone singing gleefully in that recording. I hear a group of sadists circlejerking with sweaty palms amidst much heavy breathing at the suffering they can inflict on a person outside of the game. guess you didn't get to the end where the "victim" broke out in to a tirade of racial slurs and real life threats, then?
The guy snapped after 2 hours of psychological torture. What he says at that point is really irrelevant. Capital Storm is recruiting Aussies for Lowsec pvp and money making. Join "Capital Storm Pub" channel ingame. www.capitalstorm.net |
Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
2417
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:21:00 -
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Xander Delacroix wrote:Oh God, I'm about to defend Salvos Rhoska... THIS is how bad this is. Still, here goes.
Salvos did not say that he wanted someone to kick E1 in the face, just that he'd laugh and/or applaud 'if' someone did.
Pretty sure both will earn you a visit from the men in black if you're talking about the president. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Danalee
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
556
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:21:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:I am not causing anyone misfortune by laughing or applauding. The same cannot be said of Erotica1. Nice try though! so why aren't you laughing at the racist who was robbed of 1bn isk of assets? clearly you should be, apparently that's what makes you happy. you're the biggest hypocrite in this thread, and people like you are undermining any shred of credible argument being put forward by the witch-hunters.
^^^^So much of this^^^
D.
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handige harrie
Hedion University Amarr Empire
213
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:21:00 -
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I like how Dave Stark tried to derail the thread, to keep it on topic.
Taking someones items etc is fine, I do however think the humiliation in the bonus room is crossing the line.
Im interested in what CCPs official stance is.
Can we use EVE to lure people to TS to bully them into oblivion or should we be nice persons out of game? Baddest poster ever |
Dave Stark
4664
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:21:00 -
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Jacabon Mere wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:baltec1 wrote:Getting someone to sing on comms is nowhere near the same thing. I dont hear anyone singing gleefully in that recording. I hear a group of sadists circlejerking with sweaty palms amidst much heavy breathing at the suffering they can inflict on a person outside of the game. guess you didn't get to the end where the "victim" broke out in to a tirade of racial slurs and real life threats, then? The guy snapped after 2 hours of psychological torture. What he says at that point is really irrelevant.
no it's not, it's very relevant. he said things more abhorrent than any other person in that recording. |
Toshiro Ozuwara
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
431
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:22:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:why are people demonising erotica? Ride that white horse Dave. Be the hero Erotica1 needs and deserves.
They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
Kadl
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
110
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:22:00 -
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Forum Clone 77777 wrote:Another message Im seeing in this thread, mostly by the defenders of the "victim", is that CCP should directly police what is being said on teamspeak.
Thats what Im seeing, really? This is insane.
Sometimes we see our fears even when they are not really there. That is not the argument being made by many of the people who found Erotica1's activities reprehensible. CCP needs to consider their game's reputation when dealing with scamming and harassment. Obviously CCP wants some of that as part of their dark sci-fi game, but if it gets too far beyond societal norms they may face real world backlash. Stigmatization of EVE players as sadistic antisocial freaks with deep psychological problems could reduce their potential for economic growth. For this reason CCP may wish to consider policies and actions (including possible bans) that move the community to a happy norm of "we will beat you black and blue in game but would love to have a drink with you when we are done." Note that Erotica1's actions were "I will beat you black and blue in the game then prolong the pain as much as I can just to see your humiliation and agony." So perhaps CCP must consider publicized teamspeak conversations because they will impact the bottom line and therefore the future of the company. That is a far cry from directly policing all teamspeak servers. |
Dave Stark
4664
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:22:00 -
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handige harrie wrote:I like how Dave Stark tried to derail the thread, to keep it on topic.
i'm glad my work doesn't go unappreciated. |
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