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Jill Chastot
Oath of the Forsaken Sanguis Ignis Prosperitum
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:32:00 -
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This seems to come down to the fact that people are thinking Ero is doing this with malice. that observation is for everyone to make.
What if he actually is just as socially impaired as others and has seen other people singing and dancing as being okay (see CCP Garg) and is just replicating it?
You can't quite judge off an off experience.
Thaaaaaattt said, it seems this is not a one off. so i would argue this case is different because of malicious intent. (soundcloud? hello?) Posting recordings to MB? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=298596&find=unread OATHS wants you. Come to the WH "Safety in eve is the greatest fallacy you will ever encounter. Once you accept this you will truely enjoy this game."
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
2585
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:33:00 -
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Electric M0nk wrote:The audio recording is horrible. I challenge anyone who finds this behavior acceptable to play the recording to your mom, or your wife, and then proudly say to that person, "I support this behavior."
CCP has provided Erotica1 with a soapbox, that soapbox needs to be removed. I leave the 'how' to CCP.
Why women specifically? *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Xander Delacroix
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:34:00 -
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Snupe Doggur wrote:Csill Es wrote:CCP has an unique opportunity to distance themselves from these bottom feeders - Erotica1 and cohorts -, but only if they act fast. They really only need to act well in advance of some real-life tragedy related to the game. There is time for CCP to decide to ally with Erotica 1 (and there's a great marketing slogan right there) or to make it clear that they will not allow their game to be used as a cyberbullying tool. That much is very simple in this situation.
This, oh so much this. |
Dave Stark
4671
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:34:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:baltec1 wrote:Csill Es wrote:CCP has an unique opportunity to distance themselves from these bottom feeders - Erotica1 and cohorts -, but only if they act fast. If they do anything to Erotica then they will also have to take action against this "victim" as what they said was far worse. No. They really don't have to do anything they don't want. They make the rules, not you. Mr Epeen
they do make the rules, people are fine with that.
when they pick and choose when they do and don't want to enforce the rules, and do it in a fashion that exempts certain people... that's going to cause upset.
rules are applied to everyone, that's the point of rules, to ensure everyone is on a level playing field. |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
560
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:34:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Actually you can, it's an incite to riot and public order offence. Laughing and applauding is outlawed in your country?
Thats fked up, dude. |
Csill Es
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:34:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:[quote=Xander Delacroix] If CCP don't do anything about this, then they are condoning this kind of behavior as being acceptable.
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Electric M0nk
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:34:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Electric M0nk wrote:The audio recording is horrible. I challenge anyone who finds this behavior acceptable to play the recording to your mom, or your wife, and then proudly say to that person, "I support this behavior."
CCP has provided Erotica1 with a soapbox, that soapbox needs to be removed. I leave the 'how' to CCP.
Why women specifically?
Fair. I should have chosen more gender neutral language. |
Snupe Doggur
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:35:00 -
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Electric M0nk wrote:...CCP has provided Erotica1 with a soapbox, that soapbox needs to be removed. I leave the 'how' to CCP. Yep. CCP has no obligation to satisfy me with ban-****, but I need to hear someday soon about how they are going to cease being a dating service for cyberbullies.
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Mag's
the united SCUM.
16924
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:35:00 -
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Electric M0nk wrote:The audio recording is horrible. I challenge anyone who finds this behavior acceptable to play the recording to your mom, or your wife, and then proudly say to that person, "I support this behavior."
CCP has provided Erotica1 with a soapbox, that soapbox needs to be removed. I leave the 'how' to CCP.
So what about the RL death threats and racism? Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. Kimmi's Thinking Cosy. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5363
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:35:00 -
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Electric M0nk wrote:The audio recording is horrible. I challenge anyone who finds this behavior acceptable to play the recording to your mom, or your wife, and then proudly say to that person, "I support this behavior."
CCP has provided Erotica1 with a soapbox, that soapbox needs to be removed. I leave the 'how' to CCP.
My wife would call the screaming guy a racist {insert word for female body part that would get me banned from here} and be done with it. Hell, I will play some of it for here when she gets off work just to confirm. |
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:35:00 -
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Csill Es wrote:CCP has an unique opportunity to distance themselves from these bottom feeders - Erotica1 and cohorts -, but only if they act fast.
Yes, just like they scrambled to distance themselves from SOMERblink during SOMERgate....right? Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
arabella blood
Revenant Tactical
215
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:35:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote: i'm not defending ero at all,
Said the guy who used (and probably still) to sit in the "bonus room" right there with E1.
Troll for hire. Cheap prices. |
Kadl
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
113
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:35:00 -
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Forum Clone 77777 wrote:They defend it on the grounds that "Its Erotica 1 and we dont like him" Yep, pretty solid defense right there. If it had been some unknown dude making that recording, Im willing to bet most of these people would have thought it was funny. I dont know if its because theyve been scammed themselves, theyre envious somehow.. Or something different, I mean real life celebrities also have people hating them "just because" right? So I guess that could be the case here aswell.
You are making a strawman argument. I had a slightly positive attitude towards Erotica1 coming into this situation. He was a hardcore scammer and EVE needs those people. What I didn't know is that he would take things beyond the game and actively prolong someones humiliation and pain simply for his personal amusement. Beat someone up and take everything they have in game - OK. Continue beyond the game for a sick personal amusement - reprehensible. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
3117
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:35:00 -
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Electric M0nk wrote:The audio recording is horrible. I challenge anyone who finds this behavior acceptable to play the recording to your mom, or your wife, and then proudly say to that person, "I support this behavior."
CCP has provided Erotica1 with a soapbox, that soapbox needs to be removed. I leave the 'how' to CCP.
I played it to an office full of people. They just laughed. I'll send a link to my mom and get back to you on what she says... she probably won't like it and won't listen to the whole thing. Different strokes for different folks. I'll let you know what she says. "...in poor taste" is my bet.
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Dave Stark
4678
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:35:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Mag's wrote:Actually you can, it's an incite to riot and public order offence. Laughing and applauding is outlawed in your country? Thats fked up, dude.
still less ****** up than wanting some one to get kicked in the face, dude. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
2587
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:36:00 -
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Electric M0nk wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Electric M0nk wrote:The audio recording is horrible. I challenge anyone who finds this behavior acceptable to play the recording to your mom, or your wife, and then proudly say to that person, "I support this behavior."
CCP has provided Erotica1 with a soapbox, that soapbox needs to be removed. I leave the 'how' to CCP.
Why women specifically? Fair. I should have chosen more gender neutral language.
Thats cool, I figured thats what you meant but wanted to be sure *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Dave Stark
4678
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:37:00 -
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arabella blood wrote:Dave Stark wrote: i'm not defending ero at all,
Said the guy who used (and probably still) to sit in the "bonus room" right there with E1.
still ass hurt about reading half of something i typed in the lounge, then blocking me before i finished my sentence i see.
good for you arabella. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5368
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:37:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Electric M0nk wrote:The audio recording is horrible. I challenge anyone who finds this behavior acceptable to play the recording to your mom, or your wife, and then proudly say to that person, "I support this behavior."
CCP has provided Erotica1 with a soapbox, that soapbox needs to be removed. I leave the 'how' to CCP.
So what about the RL death threats and racism?
In my experience, the people who don't get upset at a blatant display of hatred (like that guy's rascist name calling of someone who self identified as Afro-Canadian) tend to do so because they share a certain point of view with the speaker. Just saying. |
Kadl
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
113
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:37:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:i'm not defending ero at all, but people saying they'd take great joy in the very thing they're demonising him for [actually, something worse than what they're demonising him for] is very hypocritical of them.
So are you willing to say anything against Erotica1's behavior in the audio? |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1394
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:37:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Why do you do it? You already have their ISK and assets. Whats with the 2hr of out of game torment. with demeaning and humiliating tasks on the false promise they will have their ingame stuff returned to them? It is common theory that being bad in Eve Online is not a sign of being bad in RL.
Now thanks to Ero1 this theory looks like beaten to death.
Scamming in game -> humiliating in RL. Clear link between 2 behaviors. Good luck to all gankers, bumpers and other 'scum'....
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Mag's
the united SCUM.
16926
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:38:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Mag's wrote:Actually you can, it's an incite to riot and public order offence. Laughing and applauding is outlawed in your country? Thats fked up, dude. At someone who is committing violence against another, yes it can be. You are condoning it and it could incite further violence. But nice attempt at side stepping your abhorrent stance. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. Kimmi's Thinking Cosy. |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
563
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:38:00 -
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Jill Chastot wrote:This seems to come down to the fact that people are thinking Ero is doing this with malice. that observation is for everyone to make.
At the point the recording begins, Erotica1 already has the entirety of the victims assets.
The sole and only purpose of the subsequent entire 2hrs torment, is to humiliate and grief the victim. That is malice. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10636
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:38:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Mag's wrote:Actually you can, it's an incite to riot and public order offence. Laughing and applauding is outlawed in your country? Thats fked up, dude.
It is if you are laughing and applauding at someone being attacked on the street. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
4311
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:38:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:baltec1 wrote:Csill Es wrote:CCP has an unique opportunity to distance themselves from these bottom feeders - Erotica1 and cohorts -, but only if they act fast. If they do anything to Erotica then they will also have to take action against this "victim" as what they said was far worse. No. They really don't have to do anything they don't want. They make the rules, not you. Mr Epeen they do make the rules, people are fine with that. when they pick and choose when they do and don't want to enforce the rules, and do it in a fashion that exempts certain people... that's going to cause upset. rules are applied to everyone, that's the point of rules, to ensure everyone is on a level playing field.
Are we even talking about the same company? CCP applying the same rules to everybody?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
arabella blood
Revenant Tactical
215
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:38:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:arabella blood wrote:Dave Stark wrote: i'm not defending ero at all,
Said the guy who used (and probably still) to sit in the "bonus room" right there with E1. still ass hurt about reading half of something i typed in the lounge, then blocking me before i finished my sentence i see. good for you arabella.
So you are not part of it? were not sitting in this room from the "scamming" side?
Troll for hire. Cheap prices. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10636
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:39:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Jill Chastot wrote:This seems to come down to the fact that people are thinking Ero is doing this with malice. that observation is for everyone to make. At the point the recording begins, Erotica1 already has the entirety of the victims assets. The sole and only purpose of the subsequent entire 2hrs torment, is to humiliate and grief the victim. That is malice.
Wrong.
It has been a long standing thing to get people to sing and record them. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society Affirmative.
314
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:39:00 -
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Malcanis, you keep asking where exactly to draw the line (at the other end).. where do you think it is?
You keep insisting that the Teamspeak parts are outside the game and keep naming ridiculus examples that are also outside the game - but have no relation to Eve. What you fail to account for is how in this case Eve is the basis of it all.
Let me try to make an analogy... A barkeep has a customer that behaves fine in his bar. But everytime when he goes outside he keeps shouting and beeing noisy in general to the point that neighbours regulary call the police. You will do what you can to avoid that, and if you notice regular offenders you may even ban them. In fact, the police can even attribute contributory fault in noise pollution to the bar owner if he's not attempting to at least keep people quiet right in front of the club (which is why often the bouncers make sure noisemakers at least go around the next corner).
Can you see how we are at a similar situation here? Even if E1 is harassing people on Teamspeak, she still gets them there via Eve Online.
Is CCP legally required to step in? Propably not. But ethically? I think so.
And FYI, I'd rather see this thread as a demonstration than a witch hunt. We aren't burning people, we are demanding the ruling body to step in (I hope we are, at least that's what I'm doing). Ever since I first heard of what he is doing, I wish he was banned for it. Just last week I mentioned it to some friends when we talked about the CSM election. Now finally, with this thread, I felt a chance for my opionion to be heard better, so I am making it heard. |
Forum Clone 77777
Do You Even Irony Broew
202
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:40:00 -
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Electric M0nk wrote:The audio recording is horrible. I challenge anyone who finds this behavior acceptable to play the recording to your mom, or your wife, and then proudly say to that person, "I support this behavior."
CCP has provided Erotica1 with a soapbox, that soapbox needs to be removed. I leave the 'how' to CCP.
Explaining the situation to any sane person would have them saying the dude screaming is taking a certain game way too seriously. |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
16926
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:40:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Mag's wrote:Electric M0nk wrote:The audio recording is horrible. I challenge anyone who finds this behavior acceptable to play the recording to your mom, or your wife, and then proudly say to that person, "I support this behavior."
CCP has provided Erotica1 with a soapbox, that soapbox needs to be removed. I leave the 'how' to CCP.
So what about the RL death threats and racism? In my experience, the people who don't get upset at a blatant display of hatred (like that guy's rascist name calling of someone who self identified as Afro-Canadian) tend to do so because they share a certain point of view with the speaker. Just saying. I quite agree. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. Kimmi's Thinking Cosy. |
Dave Stark
4678
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:40:00 -
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Kadl wrote:Dave Stark wrote:i'm not defending ero at all, but people saying they'd take great joy in the very thing they're demonising him for [actually, something worse than what they're demonising him for] is very hypocritical of them. So are you willing to say anything against Erotica1's behavior in the audio?
you mean the standard behaviour of erotica that has been happening for a long time, that nobody has given a **** about until ripard get started a witch hunt on his blog?
sure i'll say something about it; it was far more acceptable than the racism and threats from the "victim". when it comes down to it, i'll gladly take erotica's [arguably over zealous] scamming, over that guy's racism and threats any day of the week. |
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