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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3664
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:01:00 -
[2551] - Quote
Some of you all need to start using the thinks, instead of the feels. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1422
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:01:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Open racism ... acceptable if situation calls for it. Threatening violence to remedy perceived financial wrongs ... acceptable if situation calls for it. Aren't you all justifying ******? [edit] wtf Adolfs last name is a banned word?
Yes. The EVE forums have built in a method to prevent you from violating Godwin's Law, like you just tried to do :p That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2817
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:02:00 -
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Sturmwolke wrote:I'll just leave this here. Pay attention to 1 THE HARE PSYCHOPATHY CHECK LIST(Revised) (PCL-R)1 Glibness/superficial charm 2 Grandiose sense of self-worth 3 Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom 4 Pathological lying 5 Cunning/manipulative 6 Lack of remorse or guilt 7 Shallow affect [i.e. superficial experience and expression of emotions] 8 Callous/lack of empathy 9 Parasitic lifestyle 10 Poor behavioural controls 11 Promiscuous sexual behaviour 12 Early behaviour problems 13 Lack of realistic long-term goals 14 Impulsivity 15 Irresponsibility 16 Failure to accept responsibility for own actions 17 Many short term marital relationships 18 Juvenile delinquency 19 Revocation of conditional release 20 Criminal versatility
WOOHOO!! I scored 20!!!! I WIN!!
Wait.... is that bad?? You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
662
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:02:00 -
[2554] - Quote
Some people should start answering the questions, instead of avoiding them. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3664
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:02:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Some people should start answering the questions, instead of avoiding them.
Like the so, so many you've ducked in the thread so far? I agree. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
864
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:03:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:I'm doing them a service by informing them of their stupidity. If they can handle the criticism, they will then go on to improve themselves and become persons of merit rather than mouth froth. It's a vital service that I quite enjoy providing. That is written in the style of Divine Entervention (nothing against him. He adds color to the forum as many of us do).
But I bet you don't think you are engaging in stupidity and you can be certain that those you are arguing with don't think they are either.
This kind of language, in addition to just continuing to spiral the thread further, will not be read in the way you think you mean it to be.
No one wins with this sort of discourse.
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Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1422
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:03:00 -
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Sturmwolke wrote:I'll just leave this here. Pay attention to 1 THE HARE PSYCHOPATHY CHECK LIST(Revised) (PCL-R)x1 Glibness/superficial charm x2 Grandiose sense of self-worth x3 Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom 4 Pathological lying x5 Cunning/manipulative 6 Lack of remorse or guilt x7 Shallow affect [i.e. superficial experience and expression of emotions] x8 Callous/lack of empathy 9 Parasitic lifestyle 10 Poor behavioural controls x11 Promiscuous sexual behaviour x12 Early behaviour problems x13 Lack of realistic long-term goals x14 Impulsivity x15 Irresponsibility 16 Failure to accept responsibility for own actions x17 Many short term marital relationships 18 Juvenile delinquency 19 Revocation of conditional release 20 Criminal versatility
I x'd up next to all the ones I have. How crazy am I? That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Jack Lennox
Killing With a Smile
34
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:04:00 -
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PinkPanter wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote:Once again, fellow players.... your ire is misplaced. We do NOT want to open this can of worms.
This is all I have to say on the subject:
Remember when everybody wanted Tank CEO banned (not for breaking the rules, but just because 90% of the players didn't like him)? Kinda the same thing, here. Tank pointed out loopholes and exploits that other people were using to get past the rules, and his conduct created new rules that have helped to make EVE thrive. Like it or not, we needed Tank.
Now, Erotica 1 is running a high-stakes gambling event. Nothing more. He's not exploiting bugs, or pointing out flawed rules. He's asking you to risk, and offering a possible reward. End of story. Erotica's "bonus round" is no different than any real life casino in Vegas. You walk in, and blow every dime you have, that's not the house's problem. You could have stepped away at any time. Nobody forced you to stay. They just made it a little easier for you to choose that option.
I wouldn't call a slot machine a form of bullying. Chances are it WILL take everything you put into it, and give nothing back. Winners are paid by the "donations" of the losers. Lol casinos are very much regulated and so are bullying actions. Deliberate actions that lead to exploit people in any way and then publicly make fun of them well that's a possible criminal case already.
And how do you know the bonus room isn't highly regulated? (Spoiler, Erotica 1 takes them very seriously and adheres to a very strict set of rules) You wouldn't even be calling this bullying if the contestant had won (and yes, there HAVE been winners in the past). The contestant simply decided that he didn't want to show full faith and quit, forfeiting his money
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Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
1426
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:04:00 -
[2559] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote:Sturmwolke wrote:I'll just leave this here. Pay attention to 1 THE HARE PSYCHOPATHY CHECK LIST(Revised) (PCL-R)1 Glibness/superficial charm 2 Grandiose sense of self-worth 3 Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom 4 Pathological lying 5 Cunning/manipulative 6 Lack of remorse or guilt 7 Shallow affect [i.e. superficial experience and expression of emotions] 8 Callous/lack of empathy 9 Parasitic lifestyle 10 Poor behavioural controls 11 Promiscuous sexual behaviour 12 Early behaviour problems 13 Lack of realistic long-term goals 14 Impulsivity 15 Irresponsibility 16 Failure to accept responsibility for own actions 17 Many short term marital relationships 18 Juvenile delinquency 19 Revocation of conditional release 20 Criminal versatility WOOHOO!! I scored 20!!!! I WIN!! Wait.... is that bad??
It's always funny when laypeople try to apply psych checklists like this. Even more lolz when they intentionaly leave out the instructions on HOW to use it. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
Pi Pomodorian
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:04:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:Contrary to the opinion of some here, yes I'm rather gentle and kind. I have a problem in that I can't say no to friends who ask for help. It wasn't that long ago I was a noob wondering how I would make isk in this new, complex game. heh
Hmm. Kind people do not enjoy the kind of stuff you do in your little game. You spend hours and hours of your life at this little twisted bonus room. Yes, I agree that sociopath and psychopath are words that are too harsh for you. But kind? No way. You are a person who likes power over other people and who clearly feels no remorse about the way you use it. I can hear that much in your recording. All that time when you could be helping your friends you're running scams, doing your creepy little bonus room, and posting people's rage online. All of this is voluntary stuff you do. It says a lot about you that you will devote so much of your life to this kind of crappy behavior. Kindness ain't in it. |
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Karen Avioras
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
329
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:04:00 -
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do you people ever sleep? |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2819
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:04:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Some people should start answering the questions, instead of avoiding them.
They were answered. They were ignored. As I suspected, no one's really interested in answers, just a witchhunt. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2819
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:05:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Sturmwolke wrote:I'll just leave this here. Pay attention to 1 THE HARE PSYCHOPATHY CHECK LIST(Revised) (PCL-R)1 Glibness/superficial charm 2 Grandiose sense of self-worth 3 Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom 4 Pathological lying 5 Cunning/manipulative 6 Lack of remorse or guilt 7 Shallow affect [i.e. superficial experience and expression of emotions] 8 Callous/lack of empathy 9 Parasitic lifestyle 10 Poor behavioural controls 11 Promiscuous sexual behaviour 12 Early behaviour problems 13 Lack of realistic long-term goals 14 Impulsivity 15 Irresponsibility 16 Failure to accept responsibility for own actions 17 Many short term marital relationships 18 Juvenile delinquency 19 Revocation of conditional release 20 Criminal versatility WOOHOO!! I scored 20!!!! I WIN!! Wait.... is that bad?? It's always funny when laypeople try to apply psych checklists like this. Even more lolz when they intentionaly leave out the instructions on HOW to use it.
Yeah, I get to a point where I just start playing along. Sometimes it's more fun that way. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1623
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:05:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:Sentamon wrote:Open racism ... acceptable if situation calls for it. Threatening violence to remedy perceived financial wrongs ... acceptable if situation calls for it. Aren't you all justifying ******? [edit] wtf Adolfs last name is a banned word? Yes. The EVE forums have built in a method to prevent you from violating Godwin's Law, like you just tried to do :p
What good is a forum discussion if you can't violate Goodwin's Law at some point? ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
667
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:05:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Like the so, so many you've ducked in the thread so far? I agree.
You might instead want to consider how many times you have directly tried to misrepresent my posts as to the effect of having any intent to cause anyone any physical harm.
They actually constitute libel, you know. And you perpetrated it more than once. You can't go around accusing people of having violent intent without proof.
I'd sit down and shut up if I was you.
Returning to the topic at hand, Erotica1 refused to answer the same simple question no less than 10 times. That says a lot about the degree of integrity or honesty we can expect. |
PinkPanter
The Scope Gallente Federation
113
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:05:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Pot, meet kettle. Mate. At the moment this thread is just going straight back down the rabbit hole of personal attacks it was in earlier. Is it possible to just not respond and let some of the heat go out? Let people vent and hopefully the thread will be locked soon. However keeping the attack/counter-attack process going isn't productive or helpful to anyone. It takes 2 sides to keep arguing, but only 1 to stop. I'm doing them a service by informing them of their stupidity. If they can handle the criticism, they will then go on to improve themselves and become persons of merit rather than mouth froth. It's a vital service that I quite enjoy providing.
So you can't stand criticism pointed your and E1 way which can be seen when you are insulting others YET you insult others justifying it that they can't handle criticism.
The circle is now complete. Sometimes it takes a bit but it's inevitable lulz. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
866
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:05:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Some people should start answering the questions, instead of avoiding them. Like the so, so many you've ducked in the thread so far? I agree.
This exactly. Unfortunately.
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Bjurn Akely
Knights of Nii The 20 Minuters
49
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:06:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Big Lynx wrote:My closing comment:
id like to quote a comment from Evenews24:
For the people who think that this behavior is excusable because the victim continued voluntarily and could have disconnected any time, your logic is flawed for several reasons.
1.) You fail to understand how psychological manipulation works. The more a person is invested, the more difficult it is for that person to stop. Erotica 1 completely exploited this. 2.) Erotica 1 never intended to follow through with his promise and therefore the victim's participation was precipitated on a lie. This is the very antithesis to "voluntary". 3.) The victim certainly had no idea that this was going to be broadcast all over the internet to further the humiliation. I think it is pretty easy to surmise that such information might have changed the outcome.
Lastly, even granting that yes, despite the above, he physically could have disconnected at any time, it does not make this behavior OK. Even if this was a reasonable outcome given the culture of Eve, it does not make this behavior OK. The actions of the victim can not justify the abuse. It is not OK to abuse a person just because that person may have made himself vulnerable to such abuse.
closing quote from me: Ero you should have stopped after getting his isk. Live with the consequences or get a better human being and see it as a lesson. Try it mate, it is not so hard to let go of a false point of view. It could be very refreshing to admit that one has made a mistake. However, that needs a bit of an integrity and mature personality that I am missing by reading your comments. poor you. Because Evenews24 says it so it must be true.
No, EN24 did not say it. It was a comment. A very convincing one too.
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Seven Koskanaiken
The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans
1085
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:07:00 -
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Karen Avioras wrote:do you people ever sleep?
This is like the Eve equivalent of that missing airplane, 24 hour rolling news, endlessly raking over the same points over and over again with no conclusions to be reached. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3666
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:07:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote:Sentamon wrote:Open racism ... acceptable if situation calls for it. Threatening violence to remedy perceived financial wrongs ... acceptable if situation calls for it. Aren't you all justifying ******? [edit] wtf Adolfs last name is a banned word? Yes. The EVE forums have built in a method to prevent you from violating Godwin's Law, like you just tried to do :p What good is a forum discussion if you can't violate Goodwin's Law at some point?
Yeah, but that's like the 4th time in the thread so far. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Icylce
The Chosen 0nes DARKNESS.
23
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:07:00 -
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So from what Ive gathered so far from this topic
Considering Erotica1:
1.Erotica1 knows that there is high chance that he will get insulted by eveplayer if he does something considered "evil"(link to minerbumping + empyric experiece from various scams).
2. Erotica1 scams person, then puts him into bonus round.
3. Erotica1 puts the player in bonus round in helpless state (takes all assets) and aplies psychical pressure.
4. Erotica1 is surprised when said person breaks and insults him.
Conclusion:
Its up to u to make. |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2819
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:09:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Like the so, so many you've ducked in the thread so far? I agree. You might instead want to consider how many times you have directly tried to misrepresent my posts as to the effect of having any intent to cause anyone any physical harm. They actually constitute libel, you know. And you perpetrated it more than once. You can't go around accusing people of having violent intent without proof. I'd sit down and shut up if I was you.
That sounds like a threat. You should calm down before you do something you regret.
I might also add that effective communication is the responsibility of the communicator. People wouldn't be 'misrepresenting' your points if you were making them with more succinct clarity. You have, indeed, dodged a wide variety of questions. You do a lot of dodging. I believe you when you say you're a lawyer. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2819
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:10:00 -
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Bjurn Akely wrote:
No, EN24 did not say it. It was a comment. A very convincing one too.
Maybe convincing for people with a predetermined bias. That would be called subjective validation. It sure didn't convince me.
Point remains. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
667
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:10:00 -
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Erotica refused on no less than 10 separate occasions to answer a simple and respectful question put to her.
Instead choosing transparent evasion and the false claim that "she had already answered it", when infact no less than 4 people can attest to there actually simply not being that answer in the first place.
Dishonest. |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1425
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:11:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote: It's always funny when laypeople try to apply psych checklists like this. Even more lolz when they intentionaly leave out the instructions on HOW to use it.
My ex wife got her hands on a DSM after a psychiatrist told her she might have Borderline Personality Disorder or Schizophrenia. She decided that she didn't when she read "Must show 4 out of 8 criteria for diagnosis", because she had all of them. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3666
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:11:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Like the so, so many you've ducked in the thread so far? I agree. You might instead want to consider how many times you have directly tried to misrepresent my posts as to the effect of having any intent to cause anyone any physical harm.
No, just suggest it would give you emotional pleasure if physical harm happened, discuss ways to do it, outright state that doing so would be fully justified according to you... Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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embrel
BamBam Inc.
138
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:11:00 -
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Haedonism Bot wrote: comfortable in the knowledge that everyone involved is a consenting adult.
Yet since I made the decision about a year ago to play this role-playing game as a criminal character, and took up suicide ganking, scamming, miner extortion, wardecs, and corporate infiltration, I have been called racial, ethnic, religious, and homophobic slurs almost daily. I have been called names that would not be acceptable in any context, except perhaps a *** rally. My life and that of my family has been threatened on several occasions. And who are the people engaging in this appalling behavior? Not I, not Erotica 1, not any in-game scoundrel who enjoys blapping carebears. No, it is the carebears themselves, a number of whom have even posted damning personal attacks in this thread, as if they had any moral high ground to stand on.
You implicitly assume all adults to be capable of making decisions aka to be mature. Unfortunately, that's not the case and the bonus round has a selection bias. Who else than the immature will take part there?
It's like the leader of a religious sect. Mostly legal he exploits the immature. You can laugh about it or not. I rather don't.
And as there is the selection bias and as idiots are idiots you will hear idiotic things like threats/racism and so on.
What does it have to do with carebears? You're mixing two quite distinct things here. One is in-game and stays in-game. If you're threatened that should result in a ban.
The bonus round takes place out of game and the results are distributed globally available for everyone for eternity. |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
667
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:12:00 -
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From my perspective, it would seem that the suffering and anguish he inflicts on the people in the Bonus Room is a source of great pleasure for him.
Else, why do it over and over. And there is demonstrably no other profit in the activity. |
Bjurn Akely
Knights of Nii The 20 Minuters
49
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:12:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Bjurn Akely wrote:
No, EN24 did not say it. It was a comment. A very convincing one too.
Maybe convincing for people with a predetermined bias. That would be called subjective validation. It sure didn't convince me. Point remains.
You make me think of an awesome Monty Python skit. Also, you had a point? |
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die Retribution.
148
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:13:00 -
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I have been playing this game for many many years now, and have never really been comfortable with the whole scamming thing. I think it spoils the game and actually drives people away. Scamming as become so prevalent in Eve its over taken the good aspects of it. Look at jita every single post in chat is a scam.
I dont like the fact that goonswarm do this constantly to a point its part of their culture, and sometimes the way they do it is a little creepy and weird and wrong.
But this is a whole new level, and its just not about a scam, its cyber bullying, torture at is very worse. I am sure this is certainly not the first case of this and its happening to others by other eve players.
You can hear from the start where this was going, and Erotica1 sounds really creepy tbh. They carried on for 2 hours, even when they knew the guy was getting upset, this is when you stop. Actually it should of never started.
This is for me the real darkside of eve, and where scamming takes it past gameplay. I have never played or seen a game that allows this to happen, or even breeds that type of person. The very idea of scamming has created these people, and CCP certainly has to take brunt of the blame for this as they endorse this type of behavior, but its gone a a step too far. as stated I am sure there are many Erotica1s lurking about.
This is just not scamming, its parasidic and morally wrong. Personally i would of called the police and given them the recording as people are now getting prosecuted for this type of thing. What gets me most is that there have been a few cases on twitter etc where people have committed suicide because of people like this. What if this guy did?
CCP has a duty just like twitter and others to protect its users.
However being a veteran player of this game, even after the time an investment i have made, every moral fibre in me is twitching. I am now seriously thinking do i want to pay, play or be a part of this game, ccp and its community if this is something that is happening to people. I certainly do not want to be associated with an organisation or game that endorses such actions and game play anymore.
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