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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
787
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:52:00 -
[2941] - Quote
Ban Bindy wrote:To those of you who support the Bonus Room as a legitimate Eve activity, what is the line an Eve player would have to cross to get you to admit he did something wrong? Actually taking their stuff or somehow forcing them to do embarassing things rather than asking politely for both would be a start. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
309
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:54:00 -
[2942] - Quote
If you want an interesting read, read the Icelandic criminal code with regard to the internet, and especially internet bullying. U.S. statutes pale by comparison. One can try to argue that "this is just a video game" all one wants. Saying it to a "victim" isn't quite the same as saying it to law enforcement. To state, or restate, the obvious, it's ALSO the internet.
Regardless of how libertine someone might feel, personally or even toward others, no one can conspire with oneself, or others to agree that laws and statutes do not apply to them. Neither can anyone arbitrarily declare jurisdictions. You can't invite someone inside your house, have them declare "it's okay if you murder me," record it then use that recording as a basis to a claim that a murder was not committed - for example.
I'd venture a prediction that should this recording (https://soundcloud.com/kalorned/erotica1bonusroom_sohkar) be heard by legislators dealing with internet law, you can be sure some things that may NOT be illegal soon would be. It is a fact, I can assure all reading along, that the sort of behavior recorded here, if done person-to-person, is illegal in all 50 states. That it is done "across state lines", and quite possibly "across national borders" ensures a federal jurisdiction.
Law enforcement, oddly enough, likes to decide whether any laws were broken. It's not a thing open for discussion. In this vein, discussion of this on a forum is immaterial unless additional material evidence is provided. Opinions (in the end) are indeed like a-holes. Everybody has one. Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to. |
Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
946
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:55:00 -
[2943] - Quote
One thing strikes me as odd.
There are forum rules prohibiting personal attacks and ranting. Since this entire thread is based on a personal attack and almost every post in it contains more personal attacks and ranting, shouldn't it be locked or something? ISD Ezwal must be on vacation.
Never mind, he's probably just on page 50 or something and still trying to catch up. www.everevolutionaryfront.com
Psychotic Monk for CSM9 |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1637
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:55:00 -
[2944] - Quote
So I just went to the library.
A woman shows up, sits next to me, passes out and is snoring really loud. This is obviously inappropriate behavior, she obviously singled me out, she's obviously done this to other people before, and it's making me crazy.
Should I walk away, and tell one of the librarians, or is it acceptable to go into a ugly racist rant and threaten to gut her?
What does Rippard Teg and his minions think?
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Capt Starfox
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
628
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:55:00 -
[2945] - Quote
olan2005 wrote:Iso Anneto wrote:olan2005 wrote:Iso Anneto wrote:Seriously people? This guy could at ANY time leave the channel. He even knew what was going on (he said he did in to anyway), he could have left, he stayed because he wanted the money, it's his fault he was "tortured", simply because he was greedy. If he had cut his losses or not been greedy, he could've avoided all of this. Pure greed is the cause. And E1 being insane, but mostly greed. Thats like saying its the coppers fault for being shot , because he choose to be a police officer. The getting scammed is the victim fault. The Bonus room shenanigans is the fault of the scammers taking it too far . Um, no. It's similar but completely different, the police(wo)man is obliged to do it, it is his/her job and there are things that matter in the line, the guy lost what? Less than $40 worth of in game assets, as I said earlier, he could have left if he wanted to, he stayed because of pure greed. OK theoretically i scam you . Take all you isk and assets . Then give you a chance to get them back using the bonus room method . NOW say you have a lot of time and effort put into the game. you are going to comply due to the coercion of holding you entire eve career assets to ransom if you do not . If erotica1 action were legal why did he not use the in-game chat for this . ILL tell why due to the fact that CCP would ban him for going to far. The coercion element of the bonus room aspect of the scam is what negates any consent given to the scammer by the victim . Still the victim should have been wiser and quit after the initial scam. The scammer should have used moderation and quit while he was ahead , instead of being a narcissistic prick
To support your argument with "he wouldn't walk away cause they has his space stuffs." means you hold too much value on space stuff.
Just so you are aware, more space stuff and bucks is passed around during the bonus round. Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~PsychoticMonkCSM9~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
Destitute Tehol Beddict
ROC Incorporated The ROC
9
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:55:00 -
[2946] - Quote
Iso Anneto wrote:Destitute Tehol Beddict wrote:Crumplecorn wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Crumplecorn wrote:He consents to both. Please explain to me EXACTLY how you come to this conclusion. Be as specific as possible. He says he consents to both. There's really no wrangling your way out this, it's plainly stated on the recording, so I'm done responding to this asinine line of argument. But as a sorted of deleted-scene-DVD-extra, here's what I would have said if, by some magic, you could demonstrate that the client did not say what he said - who cares? CCP are not the police, and neither are we, and a grey-area TS recording is nothing to do with either. He consents to recording while being recorded... That makes lots of sense? You sound like you're supporting E1 there, since that statement says that he consented out of the recording because if he didn't, he would've known they were recording and told them not to, but we heard nothing like that.
I don't agree with what E1 did. I have not decided my opinion on what should be done on the matter yet. I am waiting for a CCP response. |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
693
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:55:00 -
[2947] - Quote
Iso Anneto wrote:Seriously people? This guy could at ANY time leave the channel. He even knew what was going on (he said he did in TS anyway), he could have left, he stayed because he wanted the money, it's his fault he was "tortured", simply because he was greedy. If he had cut his losses or not been greedy, he could've avoided all of this. Pure greed is the cause. And E1 Beijing insane, but mostly greed. Exactly.
While I don't aggree with the level of what Erotica1 did, I will fight to the death for his right to do it. Sandbox remember? (also, see: freedom of speech parallel)
What's really pathetic here is touchy feely pansies like Ripard Teg are using this event as a soapbox to try and validate his carebear-loving ways, and assuage his personal moral outrage -- by going to the extreme of calling for nerfs or changes to the TOS. Know what Ripard, if you are so upset why not put money where mouth is and UNSUB to go play WoW with the other pansies?
No no no... Elitist's like Ripard don't counter sandbox events like this by directly helping the 'victim' with ISK donations, or calling for donations to the victim as remedy and calling it a day...NO, elitist Tzars from on high always insist on changing *your game* based on *their feelings*.
I weep for the fact HTFU in EvE is dying a death of 1,000 cuts unchallenged, because activist pansies like Ripard and Trebor are on the CSM.
tldr; Don't tell Erotica1 or anyone how to play their game. EvE is a sandbox, or its not. CCP's (non) response to this event should be speaking volumes, and the thunderous silence a HTFU b!tch-slap to pansies like Ripard et al.
F Would you like to know more? |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1942
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:56:00 -
[2948] - Quote
Iso Anneto wrote:Destitute Tehol Beddict wrote:Crumplecorn wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Crumplecorn wrote:He consents to both. Please explain to me EXACTLY how you come to this conclusion. Be as specific as possible. He says he consents to both. There's really no wrangling your way out this, it's plainly stated on the recording, so I'm done responding to this asinine line of argument. But as a sorted of deleted-scene-DVD-extra, here's what I would have said if, by some magic, you could demonstrate that the client did not say what he said - who cares? CCP are not the police, and neither are we, and a grey-area TS recording is nothing to do with either. He consents to recording while being recorded... That makes lots of sense? You sound like you're supporting E1 there, since that statement says that he consented out of the recording because if he didn't, he would've known they were recording and told them not to, but we heard nothing like that. There's no consent with coercion. Obviously after having his stuff taken and fearing if he didn't do what they said and agreed to what they asked they would not return it there was coercion. No consent at all.
Really irrelevant though unless he sues them. Want to make billions a week solo running combat sites in null sec? -á Read my Exploratation Guide here -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=309467 |
Pertuabo Enkidgan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:56:00 -
[2949] - Quote
I don't understand Why couldn't you just Walk Away from it? |
Bl1ng Bl1ng
Scalar Aurora
0
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:56:00 -
[2950] - Quote
Quote: -¿ Wrong. Parents are responsible for reactions and actions of their kids. In your example, the ex-lover may be held responsible for not trying to prevent suicide had he known the other person is mentally unstable. Your generalisation is missleading.
Hence why I fear for the mental stability of Sohkar's kids since he obviously will not teach them they always have the choice to walk away from situations like these.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
110604
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:56:00 -
[2951] - Quote
Powers Sa wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Burn Jita, Interdictions, etc, were not aimed at any particular individual.
I've noticed you in palas the past few weeks and let you be. If you're going to start posting again, I may have to fire the engines of woe back up.
I've been posting constantly for years. Where have you been ????????
I have no idea where or what Palas is. Troll and most indeed.
And an irrelevant post that strangely ties into the same problems folks are having with ingame behaviors here in this thread.
Well played. Except that psychological warfare doesn't really work at your level of lame. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Hendrick Tallardar
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
147
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:57:00 -
[2952] - Quote
Haedonism Bot wrote:One thing strikes me as odd.
There are forum rules prohibiting personal attacks and ranting. Since this entire thread is based on a personal attack and almost every post in it contains more personal attacks and ranting, shouldn't it be locked or something? ISD Ezwal must be on vacation.
Never mind, he's probably just on page 50 or something and still trying to catch up.
As much as I agree, it would cause the already riled up masses to get more pissy. LeeSsang. Never Forget. |
Upde
Upde Harris Industries
49
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:57:00 -
[2953] - Quote
Batelle wrote:Delicious Charen-Teng wrote:I can't believe that this community is justifying a person treating another person like this. I've even heard CSM member likening people's anger against this to the behaviour of a homophobic dictator.
Is this the 'New' Eden.
Not at all sure I want to be a part of it anymore.
Better read those CSM posts more carefully then. He's merely stating that banning erotica1 is not justified in this situation. That's not the same as justifying any of erotica1's actions.
this is why the situation is getting ugly. Its down to interpretation
the actions were not justified by CSM but the interpretation being applied is that they are being condoned because there is no open statement saying that the out of EVE meta on TS was over the mark. We as EVE players can look at this whole situation and stick it into the "oh another QQ thread to add to all the others" put the lid on the box and move on, but now that there is more public attention being drawn onto this it is not as simple as that anymore or maybe it is. It all rests with 2 things now
1. CCP's response if any 2. Media follow up if any
if 1 and 2 yield nothing then its business as usual
If CCP decline to make their position known and media fan the flames then its the dangerzone because CCP will then be backed into a corner and will have to do something that might well end up affecting us all unless CCP go all YOLO and ride out any media storm that may or may not ensue. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1942
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:59:00 -
[2954] - Quote
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Iso Anneto wrote:Seriously people? This guy could at ANY time leave the channel. He even knew what was going on (he said he did in TS anyway), he could have left, he stayed because he wanted the money, it's his fault he was "tortured", simply because he was greedy. If he had cut his losses or not been greedy, he could've avoided all of this. Pure greed is the cause. And E1 Beijing insane, but mostly greed. Exactly. While I don't aggree with the level of what Erotica1 did, I will fight to the death for his right to do it. Sandbox remember? (also, see: freedom of speech parallel) What's really pathetic here is touchy feely pansies like Ripard Teg are using this event as a soapbox to try and validate his carebear-loving ways, and assuage his personal moral outrage -- by going to the extreme of calling for nerfs or changes to the TOS. Know what Ripard, if you are so upset why not put money where mouth is and UNSUB to go play WoW with the other pansies? No no no... Elitist's like Ripard don't counter sandbox events like this by directly helping the 'victim' with ISK donations, or calling for donations to the victim as remedy and calling it a day...NO, elitist Tzars from on high always insist on changing *your game* based on *their feelings*. I weep for the fact HTFU in EvE is dying a death of 1,000 cuts unchallenged, because activist pansies like Ripard and Trebor are on the CSM. tldr; Don't tell Erotica1 or anyone how to play their game. EvE is a sandbox, or its not. CCP's (non) response to this event should be speaking volumes, and the thunderous silence a HTFU b!tch-slap to pansies like Ripard et al. F Except if CCP continues to allow this to occur and someone self harms because of it they could be vicariously liable so they can't just ignore it. In some areas what they did is a criminal offence so its hardly a matter of freedom. You don't have freedom to abuse and vilify people. You agree to give up those freedoms in exchange for the rule of law. If you want to live in anarchy perhaps Afghanistan is a better place for you? Want to make billions a week solo running combat sites in null sec? -á Read my Exploratation Guide here -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=309467 |
Prie Mary
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
96
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Posted - 2014.03.26 15:59:00 -
[2955] - Quote
Sentamon wrote:So I just went to the library.
A woman shows up, sits next to me, passes out and is snoring really loud. This is obviously inappropriate behavior, she obviously singled me out, she's obviously done this to other people before, and it's making me crazy.
Should I walk away, and tell one of the librarians, or is it acceptable to go into a ugly racist rant and threaten to gut her?
What does Rippard Teg and his minions think?
Clearly you must steal her wallet, phone or anything she holds dear, then proceed to wake her up and refuse to return the said goods unless she dances, sings, reads every book in the library or strips? Record the entire thing and put it on as much social media as possible.
Dont just think outside the box, Live outside of it... |
Capt Starfox
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
628
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:01:00 -
[2956] - Quote
Hendrick Tallardar wrote:Haedonism Bot wrote:One thing strikes me as odd.
There are forum rules prohibiting personal attacks and ranting. Since this entire thread is based on a personal attack and almost every post in it contains more personal attacks and ranting, shouldn't it be locked or something? ISD Ezwal must be on vacation.
Never mind, he's probably just on page 50 or something and still trying to catch up. As much as I agree, it would cause the already riled up masses to get more pissy.
That would be hilarious. Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~PsychoticMonkCSM9~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
Upde
Upde Harris Industries
49
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:02:00 -
[2957] - Quote
Bl1ng Bl1ng wrote:Quote: -¿ Wrong. Parents are responsible for reactions and actions of their kids. In your example, the ex-lover may be held responsible for not trying to prevent suicide had he known the other person is mentally unstable. Your generalisation is missleading.
Hence why I fear for the mental stability of Sohkar's kids since he obviously will not teach them they always have the choice to walk away from situations like these.
what have his kids got to do with internet spaceships........... ??? Thats bringing IRL stuff into pew pew space/ The whole argument being put forth on this bonus room event is that it is nothing to do with IRL but you bringing his kids into this kind of makes it not about the game anymore doesn't it ? |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
11412
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:02:00 -
[2958] - Quote
Can somebody please remind me how many times Sohkar left the Bonus Room....only to return?
And this question would be directed to those who actually listened to the recording in its entirety...not the sheeple who just read the blog and are therefore experts in this situation.... Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Iso Anneto
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:03:00 -
[2959] - Quote
olan2005 wrote:Iso Anneto wrote:olan2005 wrote:Iso Anneto wrote:Seriously people? This guy could at ANY time leave the channel. He even knew what was going on (he said he did in to anyway), he could have left, he stayed because he wanted the money, it's his fault he was "tortured", simply because he was greedy. If he had cut his losses or not been greedy, he could've avoided all of this. Pure greed is the cause. And E1 being insane, but mostly greed. Thats like saying its the coppers fault for being shot , because he choose to be a police officer. The getting scammed is the victim fault. The Bonus room shenanigans is the fault of the scammers taking it too far . Um, no. It's similar but completely different, the police(wo)man is obliged to do it, it is his/her job and there are things that matter in the line, the guy lost what? Less than $40 worth of in game assets, as I said earlier, he could have left if he wanted to, he stayed because of pure greed. OK theoretically i scam you . Take all you isk and assets . Then give you a chance to get them back using the bonus room method . NOW say you have a lot of time and effort put into the game. you are going to comply due to the coercion of holding you entire eve career assets to ransom if you do not . If erotica1 action were legal why did he not use the in-game chat for this . I WILL tell why due to the fact that CCP would ban him for going to far. The coercion element of the bonus room aspect of the scam is what negates any consent given to the scammer by the victim . Still the victim should have been wiser and quit after the initial scam. The scammer should have used moderation and quit while he was ahead , instead of being a narcissistic prick
But he didn't go too far. And he just used TS because it makes stages 2 and 3 easier since CCP doesn't need to act on anything since they covered their ass in the EULA. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1942
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:03:00 -
[2960] - Quote
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Can somebody please remind me how many times Sohkar left the Bonus Room....only to return?
And this question would be directed to those who actually listened to the recording in its entirety...not the sheeple who just read the blog and are therefore experts in this situation.... Relevance?
Want to make billions a week solo running combat sites in null sec? -á Read my Exploratation Guide here -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=309467 |
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Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
312
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:04:00 -
[2961] - Quote
Heh heh heh. I see there's a reading comprehension problem working here with all involved. "Right" to do so...a right not established. None of you have an argument pro or con. Why? It doesn't matter what the EULA says, or what CCP allows if it's illegal. It doesn't matter what you agree with or disagree with if it's illegal. It doesn't matter what you WANT, or THINK, or BELIEVE, or HOPE...except during the sentencing phase. Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to. |
Lucretia DeWinter
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
121
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:06:00 -
[2962] - Quote
Holy crap this thread is fast...
Anyway,
Crumplecorn wrote:Lucretia DeWinter wrote:The progression to external channels to continue the humiliation of this person and the subsequent verbal abuse, racism and threats are relevant as they are performed by members of our community under the auspice of being part of the game. While I find did find the verbal abuse, racism and threats quite distasteful, they did happen completely outside the game and so I cannot agree with Sohkar being punished for them in EVE. If we do consider the TS part of the game however, then I would say that ti should be treated the same as someone being ransomed in local. Singing a song to save your ship or whatever is nothing new.
You're right. Giving some poor sap a chance to save his tackeld ship by joining you and singing I'm A Little Teapot is nothing new.
And nothing I take issue with.
Inviting same sap onto your TS and goading them for two hours about it until they snap? Yeah, I'll take issue with that.
I have no issues with Erotica1's in game actions - cunning and ruthless as they are. I actually admire the ingenuity and genius he puts into fleecing people.
Dragging people onto an external server, humiliating them for 2 hours and then publishing it for lols is okay? Really?.
CCP can only act within their control. As their game and their community are essential for this event to have occurred it is IMO up to them to use what control they have to make it known that this level of greifing/emergent gameplay is considered unacceptable.
Either that or they should come out and say "Yay Erotica! Wooooooo! Way to go, that was awesome!" At least we'd know where we stand.
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:So if Erotica 1 had used Eve Voice instead of TS everything would be jake right?
Yes. Yes it would. Why? Because CCP can fully investigate, correctly attribute blame for any transgressions and administer appropriate sanctions.
Mario Putzo wrote:http://themittani.com/features/alod-go-back-wow
Should we also ban the people behind this? Or is it ok because they didn't use TS3?
No - that's different. That was an in game scam perpetrated by in game means. Congratulations on the big score for them. As above, this is reviewable by CCP as it stays within their sphere of control. Had there been any use of 'N' words, death threats or 'cruel and unusual' humiliation (e.g. for a prolonged time with no material purpose) then I would expect CCP to be able to examine those chat logs and take appropriate action against any involved (which they do.)
For me, this is about how CCP need to codify that there is a standard of conduct (there is one in the EULA/TOS) and that, should external factors beyond their control be used to breach that conduct, then sanctions within their control (bans, reversals etc) can and will be administered. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1638
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:06:00 -
[2963] - Quote
Prie Mary wrote:Sentamon wrote:So I just went to the library.
A woman shows up, sits next to me, passes out and is snoring really loud. This is obviously inappropriate behavior, she obviously singled me out, she's obviously done this to other people before, and it's making me crazy.
Should I walk away, and tell one of the librarians, or is it acceptable to go into a ugly racist rant and threaten to gut her?
What does Rippard Teg and his minions think?
Clearly you must steal her wallet, phone or anything she holds dear, then proceed to wake her up and refuse to return the said goods unless she dances, sings, reads every book in the library or strips? Record the entire thing and put it on as much social media as possible.
Well sorta, I mean I'd have to ask for her wallet, and then ask if I can record her, then I suppose I could post it, but I'm afraid almost nobody would watch it unless a well known personality like Rippard advertises it for me.
But back on topic, I'm assuming you agree that walking away and reporting to people in charge for a resolution is more appropriate then going all psyco on her? ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
574
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:06:00 -
[2964] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Can somebody please remind me how many times Sohkar left the Bonus Room....only to return?
And this question would be directed to those who actually listened to the recording in its entirety...not the sheeple who just read the blog and are therefore experts in this situation.... Relevance?
He couldn't have been that emotionally distraught by the event if he kept coming back. |
Upde
Upde Harris Industries
49
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:06:00 -
[2965] - Quote
Iso Anneto wrote:olan2005 wrote:Iso Anneto wrote:olan2005 wrote:Iso Anneto wrote:Seriously people? This guy could at ANY time leave the channel. He even knew what was going on (he said he did in to anyway), he could have left, he stayed because he wanted the money, it's his fault he was "tortured", simply because he was greedy. If he had cut his losses or not been greedy, he could've avoided all of this. Pure greed is the cause. And E1 being insane, but mostly greed. Thats like saying its the coppers fault for being shot , because he choose to be a police officer. The getting scammed is the victim fault. The Bonus room shenanigans is the fault of the scammers taking it too far . Um, no. It's similar but completely different, the police(wo)man is obliged to do it, it is his/her job and there are things that matter in the line, the guy lost what? Less than $40 worth of in game assets, as I said earlier, he could have left if he wanted to, he stayed because of pure greed. OK theoretically i scam you . Take all you isk and assets . Then give you a chance to get them back using the bonus room method . NOW say you have a lot of time and effort put into the game. you are going to comply due to the coercion of holding you entire eve career assets to ransom if you do not . If erotica1 action were legal why did he not use the in-game chat for this . I WILL tell why due to the fact that CCP would ban him for going to far. The coercion element of the bonus room aspect of the scam is what negates any consent given to the scammer by the victim . Still the victim should have been wiser and quit after the initial scam. The scammer should have used moderation and quit while he was ahead , instead of being a narcissistic prick But he didn't go too far. And he just used TS because it makes stages 2 and 3 easier since CCP doesn't need to act on anything since they covered their ass in the EULA.
or because if you use in game coms for this part you get your ass handed a ban ? If its so above board why aren't the follow up stages done entirely using the in game channels ?? and don't say because TS is easier thats a cop out............
you know, I know and the community knows why this is done using out of game comms |
Capt Starfox
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
629
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:07:00 -
[2966] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Can somebody please remind me how many times Sohkar left the Bonus Room....only to return?
And this question would be directed to those who actually listened to the recording in its entirety...not the sheeple who just read the blog and are therefore experts in this situation.... Relevance?
You serious? Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~PsychoticMonkCSM9~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
Othran
Route One
689
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:08:00 -
[2967] - Quote
Having listened to part of it :
1) Does it contravene the EULA - No;
2) Is it borderline harassment - Yes;
3) Is it behaviour you'd tolerate from any of your friends/family whether in a game or not - No;
4) Will it put lots of people off trying Eve - probably not, previous behaviour along the same lines by others did that years ago;
5) Is it something CCP should "deal with"? In this instance yes I think so. EULA or no EULA, you simply don't want people like that in game. |
lollerwaffle
Perkone Caldari State
160
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Posted - 2014.03.26 16:08:00 -
[2968] - Quote
I'm confused about the term 'cyber bullying'
To me, bullying is REAL LIFE harassment/abuse (either through physical or non-physical means), where the victim does not have the option of walking away.
What does that have to do with being harassed on the internet where all you have to do to 'walk away' is to hit the power button on your computer?
Especially seeing as how the supposed victim chose to continue to subject himself repeatedly to such behaviour, over digital pixels which have no bearing on real life? I could possibly understand it if this happened on social media like Facebook etc., where real identities mean the border between real and virtual worlds becomes slightly blurred. But over a video game, which has absolutely NO bearing on real life?
I don't like something, I turn the TV/Monitor/PC/console off and do something else. Easy.
Some people seem to go to great lengths to find something to be offended about. Weird.
EDIT: PS, all you people condoning violence or comparing this/making silly analogies to real life crimes need to get your priorities sorted. |
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Except if CCP continues to allow this to occur and someone self harms because of it they could be vicariously liable so they can't just ignore it. In some areas what they did is a criminal offence so its hardly a matter of freedom. You don't have freedom to abuse and vilify people. You agree to give up those freedoms in exchange for the rule of law. If you want to live in anarchy perhaps Afghanistan is a better place for you? I think people like Erotica 1 are pretty thick-skinned, so the kind of abuse and villification he is suffering are unlikely to cause any real harm. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
Big Lynx
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