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Willmahh
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:03:00 -
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actually this is how a battle would go:
1. war is declared. 2. EvE spy disbands starfleet 3. Profit??? |
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
706
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:10:00 -
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Easy...
Fleets warp in, dish it out, and many ships explode....
Any Eve ships destroyed then return 10mins later and have another go... and then again... and again and again...
We have clones.
Or the Borg assimilate us and our technology and take over the universe...
Whichever
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unidenify
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
76
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Posted - 2014.03.26 18:11:00 -
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forget to add
it is estimated that Federation in Star Trek have around seventh thousand, however would need time to gather all ships in prepare for war
while New Eden probably have capable to pump this much in 1 day.
source: http://www.ditl.org/pagarticle.php?ArticleID=14&ListID=Articles |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1203
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Posted - 2014.03.26 18:18:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:EVE has the superior inertia stabilizers. Bump the Enterprise with a frigate and everybody on board gets smeared over the bulkheads..
Eve has superior bumping system. Also liqid aether. I can also see the seams in the space box. Edit signature? What's the point? |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10766
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Posted - 2014.03.26 18:31:00 -
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Jasmine Assasin wrote:As far as EWAR, I doubt our simple systems could really take them down. Our stuff is designed to fight amongst ourselves and we really have no idea if it would even work on a Starfleet ship. I'm guessing not. The computer systems they had were/are pretty damn advanced. We still operate on tFLOPS.
Standard "deflector" shields can protect them from lasers at a minimum so the Amarr are out from the start. Same with any of our weapons that rely on actual warheads and/or some kind of shot to penetrate and I am left to conclude that their shields would hold up just fine to that. They seem most susceptible to advanced forms of energy weapons and by comparison ours are rather mundane really.
Dont they forever have issues with tachyon things? I also know they hate antimatter weapons and they also use torps.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10766
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Posted - 2014.03.26 18:34:00 -
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METAL BWAUXES!!! Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Invisusira
The Rising Stars The Initiative.
253
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Posted - 2014.03.26 18:39:00 -
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ooo ooo did someone say cross-universe ship sizes? :3 :3 :3
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Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
927
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Posted - 2014.03.26 18:42:00 -
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Which forces, specifically? just Eve pod pilots? I might give it to voyager era starfleet, depending on the lore numbers of pod pilots.
The entirety of eve forces vs. starfleet, or even starfleet+klingon empire+romulans? Eve.... Eve so hard.
If it's lore versus lore power mortal projection, eve wins. If you assume that Q would come to the aid of Star Trek stuff, they win.
The answer is, it depends entirely on how its framed. The fact Star Trek has God-like beings capable of bending the rules of the universe on a whim means that in an absolute struggle of universe vs. universe that star trek wins by deus ex machina |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10767
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Posted - 2014.03.26 18:44:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Which forces, specifically? just Eve pod pilots? I might give it to voyager era starfleet, depending on the lore numbers of pod pilots.
The entirety of eve forces vs. starfleet, or even starfleet+klingon empire+romulans? Eve.... Eve so hard.
If it's lore versus lore power mortal projection, eve wins. If you assume that Q would come to the aid of Star Trek stuff, they win.
The answer is, it depends entirely on how its framed. The fact Star Trek has God-like beings capable of bending the rules of the universe on a whim means that in an absolute struggle of universe vs. universe that star trek wins by deus ex machina
Dont forget the other much more powerful gods they have.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4527
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Posted - 2014.03.26 19:21:00 -
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I would not underestimate ST tech.
They can launch torpedos that travel at warp speed, while in warp, and they are potent enough that they cannot be used at short range. Being a phaser and torp ship is also nothing to laugh at.
The shielding can be adjusted to various situations and the strength of it moved forward and back. The "orbit F1" scheme of Eve ships could seriously affect DPS.
Every ship has a tractor beam built in and can tow another ship, even in warp (per a DS9 episode).
The deflector array can serve as a graviton weapon.
The sensors on a ST ship are built in and exponentially better than in Eve tech AND a ST ships KNOWS when it's being probed. (hint hint)
New Federation vessels have multiple warp cores. I would not want to jam one then, in that cycle that I cannot instantly shut off, have it get dumped and then blow up with heinous AOE damage (enough to cause an entire Galaxy class saucer section to crash on a planet - hello?)
They don't need to dock and are reconfigurable in the field without dependency on stations, capitals, hangars, etc.
and last but certainly not least:
THEY CAN WARP FROM SYSTEM TO SYSTEM WITHOUT HAVING TO DEAL WITH BUBBLE CAMPS AND GANK PIPELINES - ALL OF THIS IS BUILT INTO EVERY SHIP
(you see if Eve ships could do that, the game would change inexorably and the nullsec blue donut will fall)
Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
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Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
453
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Posted - 2014.03.26 19:28:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Which forces, specifically? just Eve pod pilots? I might give it to voyager era starfleet, depending on the lore numbers of pod pilots.
The entirety of eve forces vs. starfleet, or even starfleet+klingon empire+romulans? Eve.... Eve so hard.
If it's lore versus lore power mortal projection, eve wins. If you assume that Q would come to the aid of Star Trek stuff, they win.
The answer is, it depends entirely on how its framed. The fact Star Trek has God-like beings capable of bending the rules of the universe on a whim means that in an absolute struggle of universe vs. universe that star trek wins by deus ex machina Dont forget the other much more powerful gods they have. Plot devices. Plot devices have no power here(in the sand box)! Mwahahahah! If in doubt...do...excessively. |
BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
76
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Posted - 2014.03.26 19:39:00 -
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Jackson Dom wrote:The federation weapons would be useless if Ewars are widely used. I don't think star trek has the solution for that Yes they do....
They would throw a thousand horny Tribbles and they would start humping everyones leg...
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Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
96
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Posted - 2014.03.26 19:43:00 -
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Cuz size matters? |
Sentinel zx
35
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Posted - 2014.03.26 19:46:00 -
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and don-Št forget ST got cloaked Self-replicating mines
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Self-replicating_mine |
Qalix
Long Jump.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:02:00 -
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Everyone seems to be assuming that various types of EWAR would actually work vs a Star Fleet ship. Whenever they "lock" a ship, there is no delay and it doesn't require anything in particular to accomplish the task. I don't EWAR would work against them.
The Enterprise doesn't have to deal with scan resolution, tracking, or any of those things. They don't use lasers and they don't have turrets. They don't need any kind of ammunition and even if they did, they can create it with replicators.
But more to the point, a cloaked star fleet vessel could transport boarding parties onto the other ships (eve shields don't work the same as star fleet ones; you can freely loot cans or dock ships with the "shields up" in eve, so they don't keep things out quite the same as in Star Trek). One shot into the pod assembly and it's all over for an EVE capsuleer. Plus, they could take the extra step of disabling communications and prevent the pod pilot from transferring his conciousness into his clone.
silly comparison overall though. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10783
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:05:00 -
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Qalix wrote:Everyone seems to be assuming that various types of EWAR would actually work vs a Star Fleet ship. Whenever they "lock" a ship, there is no delay and it doesn't require anything in particular to accomplish the task. I don't EWAR would work against them.
The Enterprise doesn't have to deal with scan resolution, tracking, or any of those things. They don't use lasers and they don't have turrets. They don't need any kind of ammunition and even if they did, they can create it with replicators.
But more to the point, a cloaked star fleet vessel could transport boarding parties onto the other ships (eve shields don't work the same as star fleet ones; you can freely loot cans or dock ships with the "shields up" in eve, so they don't keep things out quite the same as in Star Trek). One shot into the pod assembly and it's all over for an EVE capsuleer. Plus, they could take the extra step of disabling communications and prevent the pod pilot from transferring his conciousness into his clone.
silly comparison overall though.
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Qalix
Long Jump.
218
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:09:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Qalix wrote:Everyone seems to be assuming that various types of EWAR would actually work vs a Star Fleet ship. Whenever they "lock" a ship, there is no delay and it doesn't require anything in particular to accomplish the task. I don't EWAR would work against them.
The Enterprise doesn't have to deal with scan resolution, tracking, or any of those things. They don't use lasers and they don't have turrets. They don't need any kind of ammunition and even if they did, they can create it with replicators.
But more to the point, a cloaked star fleet vessel could transport boarding parties onto the other ships (eve shields don't work the same as star fleet ones; you can freely loot cans or dock ships with the "shields up" in eve, so they don't keep things out quite the same as in Star Trek). One shot into the pod assembly and it's all over for an EVE capsuleer. Plus, they could take the extra step of disabling communications and prevent the pod pilot from transferring his conciousness into his clone.
silly comparison overall though. EVE tech is several thousand years more advanced And yet they don't have transporters or replicators...
Mr. Worf, would you please go to the hangar, activate a photon torpedo, and then beam it onto the bridge next to the pod assembly please?
Yes, sir. The pod assembly is vaporised sir.
Tea, anyone? |
Recury en Distel
en Distel Family
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:09:00 -
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Jackson Dom wrote:The federation weapons would be useless if Ewars are widely used. I don't think star trek has the solution for that
Just "compensate" or match some harmonic frequencies or whatever, easy. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
453
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:12:00 -
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Qalix wrote:baltec1 wrote:Qalix wrote:Everyone seems to be assuming that various types of EWAR would actually work vs a Star Fleet ship. Whenever they "lock" a ship, there is no delay and it doesn't require anything in particular to accomplish the task. I don't EWAR would work against them.
The Enterprise doesn't have to deal with scan resolution, tracking, or any of those things. They don't use lasers and they don't have turrets. They don't need any kind of ammunition and even if they did, they can create it with replicators.
But more to the point, a cloaked star fleet vessel could transport boarding parties onto the other ships (eve shields don't work the same as star fleet ones; you can freely loot cans or dock ships with the "shields up" in eve, so they don't keep things out quite the same as in Star Trek). One shot into the pod assembly and it's all over for an EVE capsuleer. Plus, they could take the extra step of disabling communications and prevent the pod pilot from transferring his conciousness into his clone.
silly comparison overall though. EVE tech is several thousand years more advanced And yet they don't have transporters or replicators... Mr. Worf, would you please go to the hangar, activate a photon torpedo, and then beam it onto the bridge next to the pod assembly please? Yes, sir. The pod assembly is vaporised sir. Tea, anyone? Dude, hacking nets a permaban. Same as breaking the 4th wall will get you ejected pretty quickly. If in doubt...do...excessively. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4527
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:12:00 -
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Qalix wrote:baltec1 wrote:Qalix wrote:Everyone seems to be assuming that various types of EWAR would actually work vs a Star Fleet ship. Whenever they "lock" a ship, there is no delay and it doesn't require anything in particular to accomplish the task. I don't EWAR would work against them.
The Enterprise doesn't have to deal with scan resolution, tracking, or any of those things. They don't use lasers and they don't have turrets. They don't need any kind of ammunition and even if they did, they can create it with replicators.
But more to the point, a cloaked star fleet vessel could transport boarding parties onto the other ships (eve shields don't work the same as star fleet ones; you can freely loot cans or dock ships with the "shields up" in eve, so they don't keep things out quite the same as in Star Trek). One shot into the pod assembly and it's all over for an EVE capsuleer. Plus, they could take the extra step of disabling communications and prevent the pod pilot from transferring his conciousness into his clone.
silly comparison overall though. EVE tech is several thousand years more advanced And yet they don't have transporters or replicators... Mr. Worf, would you please go to the hangar, activate a photon torpedo, and then beam it onto the bridge next to the pod assembly please? Yes, sir. The pod assembly is vaporised sir. Tea, anyone?
Anybody remember that creepy DS9 episode when a deranged Vulcan was using a sniper rifle that could transport it's view pane to a target and transport the bullet through walls to it?
Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1205
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:16:00 -
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Just beam one photon granade to the capsule or in the engines and destroy the ship from large distance. Edit signature? What's the point? |
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
92
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:16:00 -
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I don't think EVE weapons would even scratch the shields of ST ships. As someone pointed out, just the navigational deflectors are strong enough to stop lasers. Minnies still use bullets, FFS, which should also be stopped by navigational deflectors, much less full shields. Star Trek ships have little difficulty tracking and destroying small targets such as missiles, fighters, and drones. Maybe blasters could do some damage, if you could get close enough (which is doubtful). |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10785
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:19:00 -
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Qalix wrote: And yet they don't have transporters or replicators...
Mr. Worf, would you please go to the hangar, activate a photon torpedo, and then beam it onto the bridge next to the pod assembly please?
Yes, sir. The pod assembly is vaporised sir.
Tea, anyone?
We figured out how to be immortal and transport our minds 50,000 lightyears across space into another body instantly.
Also our space is a liquid, teleporters most likely dont work and we build a ship in hours while it takes them years. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Qalix
Long Jump.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:44:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Qalix wrote: And yet they don't have transporters or replicators...
Mr. Worf, would you please go to the hangar, activate a photon torpedo, and then beam it onto the bridge next to the pod assembly please?
Yes, sir. The pod assembly is vaporised sir.
Tea, anyone?
We figured out how to be immortal and transport our minds 50,000 lightyears across space into another body instantly. Also our space is a liquid, teleporters most likely dont work and we build a ship in hours while it takes them years. I'm certain that Mr. Data and Geordi could make it work. All they need to do is [TECH] the [TECH] with a [TECH], adjust the [TECH] to modulate the [TECH] and generate a subspace [TECH] to create a [TECH]. Simple.
*http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TechnoBabble |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
599
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:52:00 -
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OH HAY WHO WOULD WIN MIGHTY MOUSE OR SUPERMAN?
TRICK QUESTION! MIGHTY MOUSE IS JUST A CARTOON CHARACTER NOT A REAL PERSON!!
NERDS
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Sevendeadly Sins
Meatshield Bastards The Bastards.
105
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Posted - 2014.03.26 23:56:00 -
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http://forums.spacebattles.com/forums/vs-debates.4/ Go bother someone else, boy. http://www.zombo.com |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar E.A.R.T.H. Federation
360
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Posted - 2014.03.27 00:41:00 -
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Star Trek would win because they can tackle and engage from off grid.
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
597
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Posted - 2014.03.27 00:50:00 -
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Trekkies would lose because they would all get scammed in Jita.
Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
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GreenSeed
977
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Posted - 2014.03.27 00:56:00 -
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Cavalira wrote:This is pretty autistic. Oh well :GD: come take a walk on the sperg side, you know you want to. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10788
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Posted - 2014.03.27 01:16:00 -
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Qalix wrote:baltec1 wrote:Qalix wrote: And yet they don't have transporters or replicators...
Mr. Worf, would you please go to the hangar, activate a photon torpedo, and then beam it onto the bridge next to the pod assembly please?
Yes, sir. The pod assembly is vaporised sir.
Tea, anyone?
We figured out how to be immortal and transport our minds 50,000 lightyears across space into another body instantly. Also our space is a liquid, teleporters most likely dont work and we build a ship in hours while it takes them years. I'm certain that Mr. Data and Geordi could make it work. All they need to do is [TECH] the [TECH] with a [TECH], adjust the [TECH] to modulate the [TECH] and generate a subspace [TECH] to create a [TECH]. Simple. *http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TechnoBabble
Damn plot devices.
This is all pointless anyway because 40k would come along and just grimdark everyone. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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