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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10582
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Posted - 2014.03.25 20:46:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Feyth Yinleq wrote:You do realize I am talking about Erotica 1 when mentionning sociopaths ? And you do realise that what this episode has shown is that the GÇ£good guysGÇ¥ are often far worse than the bad ones? Yes, I know what you're talking about. I'm simply pointing out that what you're saying holds true for both camps and that, if anything, the ones who are raging over him are currently displaying far worse behaviour than he did. The problem with this is that, at the end of the day, chances are that their mishandling the situation will leave them tossed out on their ears and Erotica still in the game with a only slap on the wrist to show for it. All because he ends up looking almost reasonable in comparison.
When we ran our caldari ice interdiction I got death threats to me and my family for a week. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Feyth Yinleq
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2014.03.25 20:53:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Feyth Yinleq wrote:You do realize I am talking about Erotica 1 when mentionning sociopaths ? And you do realise that what this episode has shown is that the GÇ£good guysGÇ¥ are often far worse than the bad ones? Yes, I know what you're talking about. I'm simply pointing out that what you're saying holds true for both camps and that, if anything, the ones who are raging over him are currently displaying far worse behaviour than he did. The problem with this is that, at the end of the day, chances are that their mishandling the situation will leave them tossed out on their ears and Erotica still in the game with a only slap on the wrist to show for it. All because he ends up looking almost reasonable in comparison.
OK. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
You are right in describing this common sociopath tactic of staying calm, letting the others rage and lose credibility even if their arguments are good. It will probably end up as you describe, especially as we are on an internet forum.
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Forum Clone 77777
Do You Even Irony Broew
187
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Posted - 2014.03.25 20:55:00 -
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ImYourMom wrote: It's not about scamming it's about the trolling the cyber bullying the joy of doing it and seeing people get traumatised by it. What if one person commits suicide like some have done over it, don't you think it's funny then you fooking piece of **** Anyone who endorses this behaviour are equally low life scum
Now, in that recording that was linked, I heard litterally no abuse, sure, it was all a big joke on the guy, but its not like they were being at all offensive in their language, they were calm, not once did they laugh (during the session). The guy had every reason, in my eyes, to just accept what happened and leave the teamspeak, he didnt, HE decided the best course of action was to, ironically, throw insults and threats at these people. Which is really whats so funny right?
NOW, what youre saying is that we are to assume everyone who looses a spaceship is out to kill himself, really? So whenever I get a nice shiny kill, I am not to enjoy it, because oh no, this guy might be suicidal? The game is about enjoying yourselves within the rules of the game, Erotica 1 is doing that big time. Shooting ships is doing that aswell, if someone has real life problems, how are we to know? The only time I MIGHT give your "case" credibility is when these sorts of emotions are being voiced by these people, until then, everything is fair game within the rules.
Also, you should try to do a quick youtube search for phone pranks, there is litterally hundreds if not thousands of videos of people being recorded over the phone, without being aware of it, and some of em throw tantrums abit like this guy, is that wrong? Maybe, is it funny? Most everyone who has seen those videos think so, including me. Are we all evil sadistic socipaths? Maybe to you. Honestly, the arguments and accusations being thrown around in these threads are way over the top, much more so than what Erotica 1 has possible ever done.
CCP should really just lock all threads like these. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20260
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Posted - 2014.03.25 20:58:00 -
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Feyth Yinleq wrote:OK. Sorry for the misunderstanding. You are right in describing this common sociopath tactic of staying calm, letting the others rage and lose credibility even if their arguments are good. It will probably end up as you describe, especially as we are on an internet forum. Maybe some of that as well, but it's more that I'm fairly convinced that those other people suffer from their fair share of (and a much wider range of) pathologies as wellGǪ
baltec1 wrote:When we ran our caldari ice interdiction I got death threats to me and my family for a week. Doesn't surprise me. A week or two ago, people wanted me dead for pointing out that in-game actions happen in-game. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Herzav
Perkone Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:02:00 -
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So er, A for the effort?
We all know how the EvE community is, I though we all knew this when we signed up. Tis is what makes EvE, it makes you develop a thick skin, If you can't deal with this ''bullying'' in a virtual game, I can't imagine how it will be in real life. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2467
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:10:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Feyth Yinleq wrote:I am waiting for an answer from CCP to my ticket on this matter.
If nothing moves, I will join the club and cancel my 2 accounts definitely. Thank you. We need more adults standing up and telling CCP that there are limits.
I have been down to my last account since soundwave started the ball seriously rolling in the assault on high sec some time ago. But I wish your endeavour well. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Feyth Yinleq
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:19:00 -
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Tippia wrote: Maybe some of that as well, but it's more that I'm fairly convinced that those other people suffer from their fair share of (and a much wider range of) pathologies as wellGǪ
You're probably right, I don't pretend to be completely exempt from pathologies myself (neurosis mainly, I hope not too many other pathos). Probably the reason why our world is so crazy. |
Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
234
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:24:00 -
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Harassment is against the rules. If someone is harassing you, document it and report it to CCP. Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |
Jared Lennox
NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS CODE.
34
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:25:00 -
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I fully endorse Erotica 1's actions.
This thread is childish, It's not constructive, in fact it's destructive. If you cannot stand the people who create content in this game, the game is not for you anyway. Farewell You won't be missed.
http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
599
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:33:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:... The Golden rule in EVE: Trust no one.
I must most vigorously protest! The whole point of EvE, the source of it's grit and texture, is that to get anything big done you will need to trust at some point. This allows others the chance to indulge in treachery. Trust no one is the whimper of the fearful. If you commit assets to an op that turns out to be a long con or just a mean joke, you really have to answer with: Didn't want that frigate/ isk / loot / orca / poco / dread / station / region anyway. Choices have consequences. Trusting no one limits those choices greatly.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
189
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:41:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:... The Golden rule in EVE: Trust no one.
I trust my corp mates in TDSIN with about 10-15bil of assets at any given time.
You know why? Because we are normal guys, and at the end of the day we are in the wh all together. and Trust is what allows us to work tegether as a team.
'Trust no one' is a sociopaths' cry. Its not normal. And I dont want EVE community to function on the level of the lowest common denominator - some psychopath sadist who gets his kicks from humiliating a vulnerable human being. |
Feyth Yinleq
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:43:00 -
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Jared Lennox wrote:I fully endorse Erotica 1's actions.
This thread is childish, It's not constructive, in fact it's destructive. If you cannot stand the people who create content in this game, the game is not for you anyway. Farewell You won't be missed.
"People creating content in this game" lol
Can you explain how humiliating someone for more than 2 hours is creating content in the game ?
I know you won't miss me but I certainly won't miss you either. Let's see if CCP will miss my money. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10596
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:44:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Doireen Kaundur wrote:... The Golden rule in EVE: Trust no one. I trust my corp mates in TDSIN with about 10-15bil of assets at any given time. You know why? Because we are normal guys, and at the end of the day we are in the wh all together. and Trust is what allows us to work tegether as a team. 'Trust no one' is a sociopaths' cry. Its not normal. And I dont want EVE community to function on the level of the lowest common denominator - some psychopath sadist who gets his kicks from humiliating a vulnerable human being.
I like the fact the in EVE the most valued thing you can own is trust. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
236
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:46:00 -
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Feyth Yinleq wrote:Jared Lennox wrote:I fully endorse Erotica 1's actions.
This thread is childish, It's not constructive, in fact it's destructive. If you cannot stand the people who create content in this game, the game is not for you anyway. Farewell You won't be missed.
"People creating content in this game" lol Can you explain how humiliating someone for more than 2 hours is creating content in the game ? I know you won't miss me but I certainly won't miss you either. Let's see if CCP will miss my money.
We get to laugh at the person for being stupid. I mean, come on. . . LOL! How dumb do you have to be to be?
What you don't seem to understand is that we're all here, living through EvE because we can't cut it offline. If we tried to be our true selves, there would be true consequences of our actions.
Here on EvE, we get to be the person we want to be, better than everyone else and proving it with yours and everyone else's stupidity. And there's nothing you can do about it!
Grow up, understand that we will always be better than you and dance. Make me laugh, clown. Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |
Desivo Delta Visseroff
Cataclysmic Paradox
160
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:48:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: I like the fact the in EVE the most valued thing you can own is trust.
Not just in EVE. Trust is the most priceless commodity in life. |
Ivan Krividus
Born Crazy
157
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:48:00 -
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Its not bullying. Whoever was 'bullied' openly consented to giving ISK, and did it with their own conscience, with their own hands, and with their own keyboard. If you're talking harrassment, however, the point of EVE is to create an alternate universe where people nare allowed to bully, monopolize, scam, and other things. That is the fun part.
Is abusing a fresh new, and not very well off player mean? Yes, it is. But it ultimately is the victim's fault for playing EVE without knowing the ramifications of doing so.
Its just a videogame. If someone scammed you or abused you, or harrassed you, or griefed you, you are not screwed. you can quit and play another game (like WoW) where people wont or can't bug you as much. |
Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
171
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:50:00 -
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One down OP. Now all you have to do is cancel the rest of them. Psychotic Monk for CSM! |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
552
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:54:00 -
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Ivan Krividus wrote:Its just a videogame. If someone scammed you or abused you, or harrassed you, or griefed you, you are not screwed. you can quit and play another game (like WoW) where people wont or can't bug you as much. I think you may not understand where/how/what actually happened in the recent Sohkar/Erotica1 incident.
It is something that can, does and did happen in other MMOs and is promptly quashed by the developer. CCP has yet to delineate on this. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10614
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:56:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ivan Krividus wrote:Its just a videogame. If someone scammed you or abused you, or harrassed you, or griefed you, you are not screwed. you can quit and play another game (like WoW) where people wont or can't bug you as much. I think you may not understand where/how/what actually happened in the recent Sohkar/Erotica1 incident. Its detailed here: http://jestertrek.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/the-bonus-round.htmlIt is something that can, does and did happen in other MMOs and is promptly quashed by the developer. CCP has yet to delineate on this.
CCP are fine with getting people to sing and recording it. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise
874
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:58:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:I cancelled 1 money-paying subscription in protest over CCP's toleration of cyber-bullying and sociopathic behavior that crosses the line.
Yes I am talking about Erotica 1 and others like him.
I encourage others to cancel their alts as well to force CCP to clean up some of the worst aspects of EVE.
Enough is enough. There are limits. Cyber-bullying has no place in this game, or anywhere else.
If enough of us cancel our third of fourth alts for a month of two, CCP will act and clean up the community.
CANCEL SUBSCRIPTIONS UNTIL CCP ACTS. Gimme your **** and STFU. |
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DJentropy Ovaert
Crazy Bird Inc. The Fire Nation Syndicate
170
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:06:00 -
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The day that CCP devotes resources to holding the hands of players and protecting them from other players is the day that EVE dies and becomes yet another generic world of warcraft clone.
There are already limits. You can scam someone, take advantage of them, blow up their internet spaceships, declare war against their corporation, etc. This is a sandbox game.
If you were personally threatened (as in, threats against your real life person) then you need to contact CCP, they will take care of you and they will act in such situations. If you got scammed, conned, war-decced, exploded, hunted down and blown up over and over and cancelled your accounts due to this - perhaps the right move would have been to learn from your mistakes and not make them again?
Anyway, judging by your equating in game actions with "cyber-bullying" and accusing CCP of tolerating this - it's probably best that you quit Eve. CCP does not tolerate threatening other players and they will act against accounts that cross this line. If this is what happened to you, you should have flexed right rights under the EULA and asked CCP to step in.
Somehow, I doubt this is what happened.
So, what's the full story?
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:I cancelled 1 money-paying subscription in protest over CCP's toleration of cyber-bullying and sociopathic behavior that crosses the line.
Yes I am talking about Erotica 1 and others like him.
I encourage others to cancel their alts as well to force CCP to clean up some of the worst aspects of EVE.
Enough is enough. There are limits. Cyber-bullying has no place in this game, or anywhere else.
If enough of us cancel our third of fourth alts for a month of two, CCP will act and clean up the community.
CANCEL SUBSCRIPTIONS UNTIL CCP ACTS.
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Feyth Yinleq
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:11:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote: ... We get to laugh at the person for being stupid. I mean, come on. . . LOL! How dumb do you have to be to be?
What you don't seem to understand is that we're all here, living through EvE because we can't cut it offline. If we tried to be our true selves, there would be true consequences of our actions.
Here on EvE, we get to be the person we want to be, better than everyone else and proving it with yours and everyone else's stupidity. And there's nothing you can do about it!
Grow up, understand that we will always be better than you and dance. Make me laugh, clown.
You're talking to me ?
Please get to the point, we don't have all day. (see, you're not the only one talking non sense).
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Nalia White
Tencus
38
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:12:00 -
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I think it's wrong to do this **** on people... You can do so much bad stuff in the game and it's great!! But when it gets out of hand and EVE is only a platform for some people to find victims like pedophiles do in chatrooms for kids (holy **** that comparisson!!!) that's just wrong...
I told my brother this story. He doesn't play EVE and he said something interesting: In the earlier days people had jesters to do demeaning stuff for people so that they can laugh. Today some people have online platforms like EVE for this.
i just can't understand how one can find so much joy in putting a human beeing in so much misery... i also know there are people out there who can't handle the game itself. The question is, where is the line really? |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
196
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:15:00 -
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DJentropy Ovaert wrote:The day that CCP devotes resources to holding the hands of players and protecting them from other players is the day that EVE dies and becomes yet another generic world of warcraft clone.
There are already limits. You can scam someone, take advantage of them, blow up their internet spaceships, declare war against their corporation, etc. This is a sandbox game.
If you were personally threatened (as in, threats against your real life person) then you need to contact CCP, they will take care of you and they will act in such situations. If you got scammed, conned, war-decced, exploded, hunted down and blown up over and over and cancelled your accounts due to this - perhaps the right move would have been to learn from your mistakes and not make them again?
Anyway, judging by your equating in game actions with "cyber-bullying" and accusing CCP of tolerating this - it's probably best that you quit Eve. CCP does not tolerate threatening other players and they will act against accounts that cross this line. If this is what happened to you, you should have flexed right rights under the EULA and asked CCP to step in.
Somehow, I doubt this is what happened.
So, what's the full story?
There is no full story. i see enough bullying and humiliation in real life, and i dont want to see it in EVE as well.
As you grow older you realize more and more that this sort of behaviour is not ok at all. Younger guys think its all LOL and HTFU. Older guys see things differently.
I have been playing this game for 10 years give or take, and I came to realize that if we as eve players dont start doing something about our spaceship community, we are just allowing trash to dictate terms of the game to us.
And I will be damned it i am forced to play in an environment that facilitates exploitation and sadism. Either it changes, or I will leave - EVE is not unique. |
MajorBean
The Scope Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:17:00 -
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Great!
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10632
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:31:00 -
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Nalia White wrote:I think it's wrong to do this **** on people... You can do so much bad stuff in the game and it's great!! But when it gets out of hand and EVE is only a platform for some people to find victims like pedophiles do in chatrooms for kids (holy **** that comparisson!!!) that's just wrong...
I told my brother this story. He doesn't play EVE and he said something interesting: In the earlier days people had jesters to do demeaning stuff for people so that they can laugh. Today some people have online platforms like EVE for this.
i just can't understand how one can find so much joy in putting a human beeing in so much misery... i also know there are people out there who can't handle the game itself. The question is, where is the line really?
He could have left at any point. Getting people to sing is not near any lines. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Alastair Ormand
Badger Badger Badger Apocalypse Now.
59
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:33:00 -
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Dumb idiots who fall for Erotica's scams are why he/she is still around. Stop feeding the trolls and stop being stupid as well as greedy. |
Anslo
Scope Works
4566
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:35:00 -
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I honestly wouldn't cancel until CCP officially says...well something. If anything. Jumpin the gun just unsubbing right this second imo.
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2467
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:43:00 -
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Anslo wrote:I honestly wouldn't cancel until CCP officially says...well something. If anything. Jumpin the gun just unsubbing right this second imo.
Agreed. It is late night in Iceland, and CCP takes a long time to move on something like this. It took them days to move on the failed lawyer, and that was with way more negative publicity than has happened, so far.
Anyone who wants to unsub, I would recommend waiting until at least Thursday to see if the publicity machine picks up steam.
But, that being said, I am guessing CCP just hunkers down and tries to ride it out. Remember, CCP condones, even celebrates this kind of behaviour. I, for the life of me, can't understand why, but they do.
They will likely think that ANY publicity is a good thing. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Silvara Nocturn
Nocturn Industries
53
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:45:00 -
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I stopped recommending Eve to other people some time ago. It has it moments but its not worth the risk of them getting harassed. |
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