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Muestereate
Minions LLC
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Posted - 2014.04.09 02:15:00 -
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facebook ads have become very well targeted. Free services need ads, if I have to see them I'd prefer geek computer parts and busty women. I wish I could get rid of the John Travolta head on a muscle bound body though.
Face it. Facebook is right up their with Google now. Apparently Oculus didn't fit in with their eyeglass schemes Google would have been nice but google not as much about entertainment as facebook is.
My real issue is that all these 3d technologies, year after year, decade after decade die to eye fatigue. Even though we have some great 3d movies today, I always opt for the 2d. There is the omnivision technology but its rare that a movie is worth 20 bucks for a seat.
This is going to make Valkyrie a very short flash in the pan. I hope they have the income streams calculated likewise and the release timing coincides with some great oculus release fanfare. I give oculus a few years, after the first year the thrill will be gone and all that will be left is for the late adopters to see why for themselves why the party is over.
Even worse, I feel bad for my eyeballs and will only be able to play for short periods. I sure hope Valkyrie doesn't take days of work to setup an engagement. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
307
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Posted - 2014.04.09 03:33:00 -
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IMO there will real only be three places you will see ads:
1) on the VR portal/FB store (much like apple, google, and MS have)
2) in free games (but thouse ads are placed there by the game maker, not the device company)
and 3) i would really not ind this one, if you get the virtual movie theader ap they coudl had ad video's/trailers run before the movie. |
T'aura
Muon Research Limited
1
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Posted - 2014.04.13 12:46:00 -
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I for one wish Valkyrie would include compatibility with something like track IR like Elite dangerous is doing Frontier don't appear to be limiting themselves to one piece of VR hardware like CCP appear to be doing. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
908
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Posted - 2014.04.13 13:08:00 -
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Dr Vulix wrote:He conveniently skipped over the question about Rift being used to intrusively track users for Facebook's advertising engine Nothing will be quite like doing a barrel roll while straining the controls to around an asteroid ins as tight a manoeuvre as possible only to slam straight into a big, vision filling clickable neon sign advert for Candy Crush! Going to be glorious!
Here is hoping that Sony beats the sell-outs Oculus guys to a moderately priced and functional VR unit .. and that Microsoft gets a case of *****-envy, causing them to throw their weight behind an implementation of their own.
If something gains consumer traction, everyone and their mother will scramble for a piece of the cake, so even if Suckerberg plasters ads all over everything there is more than likely going to be alternatives .. personally don't see how VR can ever be made more than a new way of experiencing entertainment (Faecesbook is anything but, more like a 21st century BBS), not when augmented reality (digital overlay on the highest res screen ever!) is both cheaper, safer and workable without making people wear a giant bucket on their heads, for the foreseeable future at least.
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Abulurd Boniface
The Scope Gallente Federation
112
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Posted - 2014.04.13 19:23:00 -
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People have turned down more money from Facebook than this. There is a precedent.
When this was presented at Fanfest last year I told the devs I would have bought it right there and then if it had been a product.
The way it is now, Facebook will see this as the new paradigm for interfacing with a digital environment that it is. That means that they will insist their ecosystem runs in it, because that's what they bought it for.
Facebook's customer is the advertisers buying advertising space. The users are the useful cattle that looks at the ads.
When you wear Oculus you are a captive audience, you can't look away, you can only close your eyes. And that won't help.
I don't know what CCP will do with this, I hope to hear something at Fanfest. I can tell you this though: I do not Facebook, I do not plan on ever doing Facebook and if Facebook is what it takes to get into Oculus and that is [at least for now] the way you get into Valkyrie, I will not be buying Valkyrie. It's as simple as that. There is no way I'm going to be among Facebook's first series of guinea pigs to see how the paradigm works and how to best serve ads. That is not going to happen.
I believe in Valkyrie. It has the potential to be an amazing experience and I wish CCP to be insanely successful with it from the bottom of my heart. If it comes with Facebook attached, I won't be among the people using it. |
ctx2007
Wychwood and Wells Beer needs you
388
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Posted - 2014.04.19 19:38:00 -
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CCP should sign up with Sony for Valkyrie since they have announced their own VR headset ............. F%-úK Facebook You only-árealise you life has been a waste of time, when you wake up dead. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
383
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Posted - 2014.04.20 03:25:00 -
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ctx2007 wrote:CCP should sign up with Sony for Valkyrie since they have announced their own VR headset ............. F%-úK Facebook
Clearly you have not read the other threads, Valk is going to be in the ps4 playable with Morpheus, this was announced at GDC earlier this year. |
Pastor Blue
Fortuna inc. 5tarbucks
7
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Posted - 2014.04.20 20:40:00 -
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Well, Occulus aside, I like the Project Morpheus thing.
VR is the way ahead, and I would be prepared to spend -ú200 on a unit which will not only play the next EVE thing, but also any other game requiring VR hardware.
It's not that I see Valkyrie requiring a -ú200 spend, I see it as an investment in hardware towards the future of gaming. I've been playing games since the 1970s (so that makes me a game veteran by any standard) and I have seen the way games have changed.
It is a natural progression to step into the submersive world of VR and, like it or not, this is the way the world will be going.
I will support the Sony VR variant because I like Sony a lot, the Playstation is an amazing piece of kit. Let's invest ... the world never moves forward by staying still, after all. |
Aria Jimbojohnson
University of Caille Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2014.05.01 20:58:00 -
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CCP's apparant hard-on for doing "exclusives" is going to be their eventual downfall. Exclusives only work when your product has a big enough fanbase that people will buy the system for the game, and CCP has shown that, so far, all of their EVE spinoffs have been a failure. Not a good combination. |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
24934
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Posted - 2014.05.02 15:12:00 -
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Aria Jimbojohnson wrote:CCP's apparant hard-on for doing "exclusives" is going to be their eventual downfall. Exclusives only work when your product has a big enough fanbase that people will buy the system for the game, and CCP has shown that, so far, all of their EVE spinoffs have been a failure. Not a good combination. True... especially when you go "non-explusive" a year later, slapping all the people that got hardware specifically for your "exclusive game" square in the face... not that I mind though, then again, I didn't buy a PS3 for DUST since I knew it would come to PC eventually. "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM) |
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DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
480
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Posted - 2014.05.02 21:58:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Aria Jimbojohnson wrote:CCP's apparant hard-on for doing "exclusives" is going to be their eventual downfall. Exclusives only work when your product has a big enough fanbase that people will buy the system for the game, and CCP has shown that, so far, all of their EVE spinoffs have been a failure. Not a good combination. True... especially when you go "non-explusive" a year later, slapping all the people that got hardware specifically for your "exclusive game" square in the face... not that I mind though, then again, I didn't buy a PS3 for DUST since I knew it would come to PC eventually.
I had a ps3 already. And i was planing on getting a rift anyway, valk just kinda sealed the deal as it were |
Vger Starseed
EVE University Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2014.05.04 10:54:00 -
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Just to add my two pence worth. I would not touch face book with a ten foot barge poll. If i wanted somebody to know my private information I will send it to them in a Private mail. With them buying occulus rift I have lost interest in what was in my mind an outstanding product.
It is a shame as I was looking forward to playing Valkyrie. But in retrospect there is still Elite Dangerous coming out soon so i will still get to blow up stuff in the first person flying role.
Sorry CCP but I am out on this product.
Respect 07 |
Shino753
BOVRIL bOREers Mining CO-OP Brave Collective
0
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:32:00 -
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Having actually used the Rift i really was upset about the facebook deal at first. but you know what? it would be good for facebook to actually change the world with something other then a shallow social networking site. So in my opinion if facebook is to the be one to help usher in VR to mainstream so be it. as long as Oculus is indeed being able to operate like their own intenty then thats what matters.
I do hope that they do offer a non VR mode for those who dont have the Rift because considering that so far only 50,000 people have a headset now it would be pretty silly to just develop a "game" for that low number. It will grow in time..but still.
Honestly i think Eve VR is kind of a joke. Star Citizen is doiing near the same thing with Arena Commander which just a prelude to the bigger game that Star Citizen will be. If Eve VR becomes something like that, that would be great. but for me a dogfighting only game seems limiting and not in the spirit of Eves "do what you want" gameplay. I think thats what made Dust 514 also not do as well as Eve itself. |
Gerald Sphinx
The Irukandji Ineluctable.
65
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Posted - 2014.05.05 05:37:00 -
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WTF is up with this hate for a piece of equipment that's not even out on the market yet? |
Sahriah BloodStone
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
28
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Posted - 2014.05.07 23:39:00 -
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Hi guys..See there is this company called sony..and they are making a VR headset to..and CCP are working with them
*gasp* |
Xindi Kraid
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
749
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Posted - 2014.05.09 21:08:00 -
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To paraphrase the repondents here:
I don't know anything about EvE Valkyrie or Occulus Rift and the changes that may be made because they got bought, but I am going to make an uninformed decision for no good reason just because I hate one of the companies involved.
I personally am not in that crowd. I plan to actually wait and see what happens and base my decisions on actual facts rather than unsubstantiated cries of doom and gloom (can't see the future) |
Zorrkinae vonHui
Gnostics of the Sense of Life
0
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Posted - 2014.05.10 17:13:00 -
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CCP Karuck wrote:Chill down :) I believe this will be good overall for the future of VR hardware and software.
you made us get religious and fanatic ammar.... and now u tell us to chill down when our godnes gets raped by the dirtiest slave jerk? ... xD
no really... I like the idea of Valkyrie for PC without any VR... I mean I wasn-¦t impressed by VR anyways but yeah It was clear whats gonna get my money when Valyrie is ready.... but now I definitely never get some of those uncomfortable glasses and better stick to my wall of screens.... wich I anyways prefere, instead of hiding loneley behind glasses =P
.... so yeah please think about doing this for PC generaly... not only for VR!
(uhm and nope! PS4 or Morpheus are no alternatives! ... u know what happend to ur PS3 Dust?... keep away from consolecripples!) "there are million ways to death, but only one way leads to life" |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5664
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Posted - 2014.05.15 22:12:00 -
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As I have previously stated, I do hope that a Rift headset is not mandatory to play...
however people that won't touch a Rift headset or any game that uses it because of it's connection financially with FaceBook is being rather foolish.
Or more accurately the heir to the throne of the kingdom of fools.
The saying cutting off your nose to spite your face (book) comes to mind () as you are literally accomplishing nothing but depriving yourself of something you would find enjoyable... and doing damage to one of the more interesting and innovative companies (and product lines) to come down the pipe in a loooong time (and no, I'm not talking about FaceBook). To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Lallante
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
460
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Posted - 2014.05.16 10:05:00 -
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Only the worst kind of autistic sperglord would allow the remote commercial relationship between Valkyrie and Facebook to prevent them from playing. What overly dramatic, faux-principled bullshit.
Seriously, get over yourselves. No-one is asking you to create a facebook profile filled with secret personal information about yourself in order to play Valkyrie. If you dont want facebook to have your info, dont give it to them. |
Zorrkinae vonHui
Gnostics of the Sense of Life
3
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Posted - 2014.05.16 14:50:00 -
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yeah all wise words about those FB-Paranoia.... but at the end.... if someone doesn-¦t feel well, or not really free anymore when useing a special companies product, then for me those people shall feel free to speak out their thouths loud! Isn-¦t it the wish from all of us to feel good when playing games?
but I still speak for, no matter what immersion it can be with OR, Valkyrie not "needing" it.... as CCP has posted it themself in Twitter or so, while developing, a lot of them is playing Valk without OR because they simply don-¦t have enough hardware.... so It works.... and if people like me wich don-¦t like plasic on their head, or others wich dont like facebook still could play it without some extra hardware.... this option would still be great, especially as it seems like all three games shall get accesable with one single account, wich just be a annoining advertisement to see "yeah I could play Valk if I meet the devil"(or spent 400Gé¼ for plastic) and I don-¦t really believe that EVE players without an headset would go out and scream how ****** it is just because they dont have glasses on..... A good game is a good game.... and now be honest.... have you neve had fun with any flightsim/dogfightmodule without using VR? Yes, we all had.... and we all have loads of free buttons on our keyboards.... be sure we will find one button to turn our head just like in ARMA or DayZ xD lol I dont see any problems there exept VR sales ^^ "there are million ways to death, but only one way leads to life" |
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Tfear
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.07.11 21:07:00 -
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Personally, I don't think the Facebook thing is a huge deal. It's still open source, so there will be workarounds for anything FB tries to pull, but it doesn't like you'll even be required to have a Facebook profile.
And as it's open source, it's very possible to assemble your own Oculus Rift clone. |
Nijiho
Galactica Industrial Facilities M E T H O D
22
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Posted - 2014.07.12 23:32:00 -
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Lallante wrote:Only the worst kind of autistic sperglord would allow the remote commercial relationship between Valkyrie and Facebook to prevent them from playing. What overly dramatic, faux-principled bullshit.
Seriously, get over yourselves. No-one is asking you to create a facebook profile filled with secret personal information about yourself in order to play Valkyrie. If you dont want facebook to have your info, dont give it to them.
Please speak for yourself. I will never play if I am obliged to have a Fu*kBook account, which today I do not have. Also I will never fork out money for anything that involved Fu*kBook. You do not seem to be very informed about FB practices and the technologies involved in tracking people. |
Gerald Sphinx
The Irukandji The Irukandji.
69
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Posted - 2014.07.18 05:57:00 -
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I'll just leave this right here.
http://www.cnet.com/news/googles-cardboard-vr-headset-is-no-joke-its-great-for-the-oculus-rift/ |
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CCP Karuck
C C P C C P Alliance
267
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Posted - 2014.07.18 09:20:00 -
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The cardboard is a cool idea and great to see more people getting involved, but that is missing quite a few features I consider essential for good VR :) People will start to understand more when the DK2 starts shipping.
- Senior Programmer on EVE: Valkyrie / @SiggiGG |
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