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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2014.03.27 09:34:00 -
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PenguinJim wrote:The fact is as said CCP have NO influence on Plex prices.. Its completely player controlled. If CCP put a Max ISK cost on Plex it would be basically fix -ú to ISK trading and you would likely find less and less plex being available. Look at it like this, Plex sell @400mil ISK SOME eve players buy them for -ú-ú-ú and sell but the ISK return is not really worth their -ú16.. Plex market still under supplied. General Eve Players buy as many as possible and store them Plex at 700mil ISK, more players think ohhh better isk value for my -ú16, extra Plex come to market, but Plex market is still under supplied. Rich EvE Players buy as many as possible and store them. Plex at 1bil ISK, many eve players like the ISK to -ú-ú-ú ratio and more Plex come to market, rich Eve Players sell their stored Plex and all profit. IF supply is meeting demand the costs start to drop. Now the above does not really factor in the following;
- The MEGA rich ISK players making billions upon billion of ISK a week buying multiple plex and storing them, likely for top members of alliances etc these are getting used some are stored and speculated upon.
- The natural inflation of eve, there is nothing really deflating the eve economy so its in constant inflation, a perpetual cycle of increasing costs, because of more and more ISK in the economy.
So in conclusion Plex will always be on a upward trend for costs with the odd blip and lowing on cyclic intervals but never returning to the original lowest prices at the start of the cycle. The hamster wheel is forever turning you just gotta keep up!
Even non super rich players (like me!) bought PLEX as a hedge against inflation. If you have a few billion ISK just sitting in your wallet, you might as well convert your ISK into PLEX until you need to spend it. Since PLEX have consistently trended upwards, or at worst temporarily plateaued, since they were introduced, it's a very low risk, low effort strategy.
It's basically the nearest EVE equivalent of a savings account, since your investment is backed by a real asset.
One of the few smart moves I ever made with my ISK was to buy 28 PLEX at 300M back in 2011. I used some of them and sold most at 500M or more when I started flying nice ships again. I still have a couple left just in case.
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Jessica Duranin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.27 09:37:00 -
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Making Isk is too easy. -> Too many people try to PLEX their account(s) with Isk -> price goes up. At some point it will stabilize again. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14540
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Posted - 2014.03.27 09:37:00 -
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Just in case the implication of that isn't entirely clear, that means that people like me - not mega rich, just with some liquid ISK - buy PLEX not to use for subs but as a "reserve currency". Naturally this puts a lot of upward pressure on prices, because lots of players want a safe, easy way to protect the value of their wallets.
The US dollar has enjoyed a similar effect in the real world.
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4766
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Posted - 2014.03.27 09:55:00 -
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I don't know about you OP but I made 7b profit from PI last month on 1 character. All I had to do was log in for 5 minutes every 2 days. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |
Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
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Posted - 2014.03.27 10:05:00 -
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I Riven I wrote:Can you tell me whats the difference between 600 and 700 mil??
Thats 3 hq sites.. in a nice fleet you can do them at 7-8 minutes per.
IMO, PLEX should and probably will cost a lot more unless ccp nerfs some of the game isk faucets.
7 minute tpph?
brb petitioning ccp about your hacking! |
l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
895
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Posted - 2014.03.27 10:10:00 -
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1.) Invest in some luck. 2.) Go lowsec plexing on Weekends in an active region (fw) 3.) ??? 4.) Make 2,5b profit within 24h http://i.imgur.com/DA3rfix.png
One weekend of fun and you can plex your account for 3 month. German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
I Riven I
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.27 10:21:00 -
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Aramatheia wrote:I Riven I wrote:Can you tell me whats the difference between 600 and 700 mil??
Thats 3 hq sites.. in a nice fleet you can do them at 7-8 minutes per.
IMO, PLEX should and probably will cost a lot more unless ccp nerfs some of the game isk faucets.
7 minute tpph? brb petitioning ccp about your hacking! Also they could make ship skins and other cool random non game breakers cost raw isk, instead of plex/aur, to create isk sinks. Currently there is no real isk sink except basic destruction via combat or self destruct. taxes and other such (npc taxes) are so small they dont warrant mention. Aside from that you might put some meager pocket change on a clone update, or insure a ship. Aside from the odd titan losses. most pvp ship kills arent that big a deal. cruisers, battleships and such? 4-5 incursion sites worth at best. Granted theres rarely more than 5 fleets of 40 up in hq's due to community numbers and time zones. Want to balance eve inflation? adding more plex for services isnt the way, just just means more raw, already in existance isk moves from 1 player, to another but stays in the game, changing nothing. add awesome things into the game that cost isk which is destroyed upon transaction. target the raw isk directly. NPC vendors selling random vanity services and/or ship skins
no tcrcs or even nrfs |
Kaius Fero
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Posted - 2014.03.27 10:26:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:I don't know about you OP but I made 7b profit from PI last month on 1 character. All I had to do was log in for 5 minutes every 2 days. By ganking freighters hauling P3-P4, right? Risk vs reward, all in 5 minutes .. gotta love the concept |
l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
895
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Posted - 2014.03.27 10:27:00 -
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Aramatheia wrote:Currently there is no real isk sink except basic destruction via combat or self destruct. taxes and other such (npc taxes) are so small they dont warrant mention. Ship distruction is not a global ISK sink. It's the opposite because no money leaves the game, but money enters the game out of nowhere from the insurance. German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
Victor Andall
Complexes and Abaddons
316
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Posted - 2014.03.27 10:30:00 -
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l0rd carlos wrote:Aramatheia wrote:Currently there is no real isk sink except basic destruction via combat or self destruct. taxes and other such (npc taxes) are so small they dont warrant mention. Ship distruction is not a global ISK sink.It's the opposite because no money leaves the game, but money enters the game out of nowhere from the insurance.
What about the modules? I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?
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l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
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Posted - 2014.03.27 10:33:00 -
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Victor Andall wrote:l0rd carlos wrote:Aramatheia wrote:Currently there is no real isk sink except basic destruction via combat or self destruct. taxes and other such (npc taxes) are so small they dont warrant mention. Ship distruction is not a global ISK sink.It's the opposite because no money leaves the game, but money enters the game out of nowhere from the insurance. What about the modules? The money is still in the game.
Yes, you could say it's a personal asset sink for you. But the money that was generated by bounty or whatever that you used to pay for the modules is at the seller and thus it's not a ISK sink.
I am using the same definition as CCP does at for example fan fest when they talk about ISK sink. It only accures when actual ISK leaves the game. Buying skillbooks, updating clone etc.
Edit: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_sink German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
Deano McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
19
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Posted - 2014.03.27 10:35:00 -
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l0rd carlos wrote: Important Facts
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Take this letter that I give you, Take it sonny, hold it high You won't understand a word that's in it But you'll write it all again before you die A word in your ear from father to son |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
579
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Posted - 2014.03.27 10:41:00 -
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The rising price of PLEX can mean two things:
-Either less people buy PLEX from CCp to sell in EvE, or more people buy PLEX of the market then players can supply (can be attributed to recent changes: shipskins with AUR, dual alt-training, Fanfest tickets, etc)
In short: you want cheaper PLEX? Convince the people who got money to spare to buy more PLEX from CCP to sell on the market. -áThe Sleeper Desolation First year anniversary of the Caldari Prime battle was a success! |
Antihrist Pripravnik
Temnava Legion No Holes Barred
197
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Posted - 2014.03.27 10:56:00 -
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Plex prices are guided by two factors: - the market, which is OK and normal - AUR conversions which is artificial
There is already a way to buy AUR tokens directly from account management. Plex - AUR connection was made years ago for a business model that have been abandoned in the mean time.
I don't really care what the PLEX prices are if they are regulated by the market and are a stand-alone item for itself. But I feel it's time to break the connection between Plex and AUR because it is obsolete anyway.
edit: One more reason for breaking the Plex - AUR connection is the fact that we will see more ship skins and cosmetics/vanity items in the NeX store. Increasing the number of vanity stuff that can be bought with AUR directly pumps the PLEX prices up. - |
ViolentDesire
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2014.03.27 11:01:00 -
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Unless plex is somehow not removed from the game when used to buy Aurum, they are basically trading skins and/or a third training queue for actual players.
If it continues at this rate, it appears there just wont be enough plex available. |
The Lobsters
WE FIGHT
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Posted - 2014.03.27 11:13:00 -
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Amarr militia have recently had a big cash out too. The plex hike was to be expected. It's a good time to buy GTC's with the money you get from that job you do in RL. That man is the noblest creature may be inferred from the fact that no other creature has contested his claim. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
868
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Posted - 2014.03.27 11:19:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Not everyone can play for free.
This. 1000 times this. If everyone tried to play via plex then no one could play at all. Plex price is determined by a balance between people trying to play for free and people who would rather play eve than grind for isk. It has very little to do with CCP. As far as they are concerned every account is $$$ and it just varies as to whether it i the account owner paying or someome else via plex sales. Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
2966
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Posted - 2014.03.27 11:21:00 -
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https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/market/marketdisplay.php should be of interest (once CREST is back up.) Steve Ronuken for CSM 9! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4236322 http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20281
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Posted - 2014.03.27 11:24:00 -
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Aramatheia wrote:Currently there is no real isk sink except basic destruction via combat or self destruct. taxes and other such (npc taxes) are so small they dont warrant mention. U-huhGǪ
Faucets:- NPC bounties
- NPC buy orders
- Agent rewards: Mission rewards, Mission time bonuses, Incursion rewards, Deposit repayment
- Insurance payout
- GM actions: Reimbursement for lost pods
- Character creation
Sinks:- Market taxes & fees: Broker fees, Sales tax
- NPC sell orders
- NPC station services: Repairs, Jump clone installation, Medical clone installation/upgrade/station change, Science and industry slot rental, Ship insurance
- NPC station office fees: Rent, Impound penalties
- Wardecs
- Sovereignty fees
- PI fees: Building PI structures, Import/export tax (from NPC-owned and highsec customs offices)
- Corp & alliance fees: Corp creation, Alliance creation, Alliance upkeep, Creating/awarding medals, Corp registry ads
- Agent fees: (Certain) LP store items, Locator agent services, Courier missions w/ deposits
- CSPA Charges
- Smuggling fines
- GM Actions: Removal of bought ISK, Removal of insurance after ship reimbursement
- Character deletion (including the GÇ£soft sinkGÇ¥ of accounts being frozen or banned, and the even softer sink of accounts being abandoned forever)
Taxes represent ~15% of the ISK removal; ship destruction represents ~6% of the ISK injection. Since roughly forever, the ISK injected-to-ISK sunk ratio has been 2:1, with incursions and w-space being the biggest additions on the faucet side, and NPC sell orders (mainly skill books and blueprints) consistently being the biggest sink. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
715
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Posted - 2014.03.27 11:31:00 -
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Maybe 0.0 is not working, people do not want to buy new titans and fund their ships with plex.
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Victor Andall
Complexes and Abaddons
316
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Posted - 2014.03.27 11:39:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Maybe 0.0 is not working, people do not want to buy new titans and fund their ships with plex.
I knew it!
Stealth SOV revamp thread! I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?
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SKINE DMZ
S U P R E M E - M A T H E M A T I C S A Band Apart.
341
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Posted - 2014.03.27 11:41:00 -
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How about you buy a plex like most do who sell you them, be glad you can buy your subscription with ISK in general. I disagree |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
2636
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Posted - 2014.03.27 11:42:00 -
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I just realized something. EvE is the first free to play game, to my knowledge, that the parent company controls two in-game currencies bought purely with real life cash. CCP has been positioning themselves nicely I think considering the direction they seemed to be taking two years ago. And now it looks like I should harness the power of my hourly wage to enjoy some more EvE time. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20281
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Posted - 2014.03.27 11:44:00 -
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Slade Trillgon wrote:I just realized something. EvE is the first free to play game, to my knowledge, that the parent company controls two in-game currencies bought purely with real life cash. CCP has been positioning themselves nicely I think considering the direction they seemed to be taking two years ago. And now it looks like I should harness the power of my hourly wage to enjoy some more EvE time. Just one problem: it's not a free-to-play game, and only one GÇ£currencyGÇ¥ can be bought with real cashGǪ and due to implementation failure, it hardly even counts as a currency to begin with. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
LuisWu
Point Web and Wreck
50
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:03:00 -
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OP, I have the solution for you right here:
Its the cookie-cutter punisher fit right now
Punisher: 3billionsperweekafkwhileyoulaughatpiratesand enemymilitia.
highs:
-Prototype Cloaking Device I -empty -empty -empty
Meds:
-empty -empty
Lows:
-Warp Core Stabilizer I -Warp Core Stabilizer I -Warp Core Stabilizer I -Warp Core Stabilizer I
Rigs:
-Empty -Empty -Empty
Total investment 1.8 millions.
Choose a FW zone and be a proud militia fighter. And be part of the problem too. Eliminate Cloack + MWD trick/exploit |
Good Posting
Posting with my Mind
132
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:09:00 -
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Delt0r Garsk wrote:
In fact i don't really understand paying isk for plex.
What is exactly what you don't understand? All right, are you ready for the truth? Is your mind ready to absorb and comprehend the reasons behind all this? Sure?
I buy plex with isk because i can.
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
2850
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:16:00 -
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This is a speculation thread, yes? Let's speculate:
The increasing price of PLEXes indicates a increased demand and/or decreased supply of PLEXes which may indicate a decreasing loyalty of the customers to CCP, which makes them less motivated to arrange a recurring payment and/or give their own money to the company.
And now I made the 'problem' into something much bigger than it most likely is. Ta-da! Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Ren Coursa
Rapid Withdrawal
4
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:19:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
Not trying to be a **** or anything but why would they care?
You are not a paying customer as far as ccp is concerned, you are basically just an extra load on the server.
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Good Posting
Posting with my Mind
132
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:23:00 -
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Ren Coursa wrote:
You are not a paying customer as far as ccp is concerned, you are basically just an extra load on the server.
I have the feeling that you are too dumb for this game. It is... just a feeling. |
Pepper Solette
University of Caille Gallente Federation
314
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:24:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:
Even non super rich players (like me!) bought PLEX as a hedge against inflation. If you have a few billion ISK just sitting in your wallet, you might as well convert your ISK into PLEX until you need to spend it. Since PLEX have consistently trended upwards, or at worst temporarily plateaued, since they were introduced, it's a very low risk, low effort strategy.
It's basically the nearest EVE equivalent of a savings account, since your investment is backed by a real asset.
One of the few smart moves I ever made with my ISK was to buy 28 PLEX at 300M back in 2011. I used some of them and sold most at 500M or more when I started flying nice ships again. I still have a couple left just in case.
I did EXACTLY the same thing about 18 months ago. I took a break from null, sold my Erebus, and invested all that money in Plex @ just under 400m each if memory serves.
Investing in plex was the best thing i ever did. Now they are worth even more and i still have enough to plex 4 accounts for a long, long time. |
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