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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:26:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote: If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
Im not buying anymore Ferraris until they reduce the price to what I want to pay *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
2636
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:26:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Slade Trillgon wrote:I just realized something. EvE is the first free to play game, to my knowledge, that the parent company controls two in-game currencies bought purely with real life cash. CCP has been positioning themselves nicely I think considering the direction they seemed to be taking two years ago. And now it looks like I should harness the power of my hourly wage to enjoy some more EvE time. Just one problem: it's not a free-to-play game, and only one GǣcurrencyGǥ can be bought with real cashGǪ and due to implementation failure, it hardly even counts as a currency to begin with.
Other than the fact you 'can' play for free, via utilizing in game currency to pay for plex paid for by others cash, and that you can pay real life cash for plex GTC's and aurum, you are totally correct. |
Good Posting
Posting with my Mind
132
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:30:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Desimus Maximus wrote: If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
Im not buying anymore Ferraris until they reduce the price to what I want to pay
EVE isn't a ferrari. It is a flock of whiners and scrub lords |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20284
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:31:00 -
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Slade Trillgon wrote:Other than the fact you 'can' play for free, via utilizing in game currency to pay for plex paid for by others cash, and that you can pay real life cash for plex and aurum, you are totally correct. Just because you can get your subscription paid without you opening your wallet does not mean the game is free-to-play. It's still a pay-to-play subscription game, only with a mechanism to let others pay for your subscription.
PLEX is a good, not a currency, and AUR is a currency in name only since it can't really be transferred or exchanged, or used to buy any of the regular goods and services you'd expect from a working currencyGǪ but again, that's mainly a failure of implementation. The best you can do is get transfer vehicles that can be exchanged with others, but which themselves can't be used as currency. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Victor Andall
Complexes and Abaddons
316
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:35:00 -
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Ren Coursa wrote:Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels. Not trying to be a **** or anything but why would they care? You are not a paying customer as far as ccp is concerned, you are basically just an extra load on the server.
^This.
You're threatening to exchange one form of not paying money to another form of not paying money. I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?
Andall Combat Tournaments - on hiatus. Contact for more information. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5490
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:39:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
750 mil isk is 25 mil isk per day or ONE null sec anomaly (aka 6 to 15 minutes depending on what ship you use) or 2 less than steller high sec missions.
If you can't make 25 mil isk in a day, you should not be relying on isk/plex
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5490
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:40:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Desimus Maximus wrote: If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
Im not buying anymore Ferraris until they reduce the price to what I want to pay
Why is this so easy for us to see and so hard for them I wonder :) .
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
2643
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:40:00 -
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Good Posting wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Desimus Maximus wrote: If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
Im not buying anymore Ferraris until they reduce the price to what I want to pay EVE isn't a ferrari. It is a flock of whiners and scrub lords
Im not planning on buying EvE either.
Jenn aSide wrote:
Why is this so easy for us to see and so hard for them I wonder :) .
See above *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Good Posting
Posting with my Mind
132
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:40:00 -
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Victor Andall wrote:
^This.
You're threatening to exchange one form of not paying money to another form of not paying money.
:5 month old player logic:
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Ren Coursa
Rapid Withdrawal
4
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:41:00 -
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Good Posting wrote:Ren Coursa wrote:
You are not a paying customer as far as ccp is concerned, you are basically just an extra load on the server.
I have the feeling that you are too dumb for this game. It is... just a feeling.
Might be true, care to elaborate? |
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Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
357
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:44:00 -
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There's a very easy solution to OP's problem. Pay with a credit card, pay pal or some other 'real' currency.
The fact that one pays their game time with PLEX is just plain bad, it puts such a burden (to make ISK) on you that it sucks all enjoyment out of the game.
For goodness sake it's only 50 cents per day, can't you really not afford to pay that much? And before you answer, I was a poor student once too, I know what being poor is like. But even then I could afford to put the equivalent of 15 euros on amusement once or twice a month if I wanted. Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene V - Moon 4 - Duvolle Labs Factory. Hybrid charges, Projectile ammo, Missiles, Drones, Ships, Need'em? We have'em, at affordable prices. Pop in at our Ammo Shop in sunny Alentene. |
Good Posting
Posting with my Mind
133
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:45:00 -
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Ren Coursa wrote:Good Posting wrote:Ren Coursa wrote:
You are not a paying customer as far as ccp is concerned, you are basically just an extra load on the server.
I have the feeling that you are too dumb for this game. It is... just a feeling. Might be true, care to elaborate?
Paying customers for ccp are subbed accounts with real money, or plexed with isk. Like it or not.. Besides, when i plex my account, someone already paid for it.
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l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
896
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Posted - 2014.03.27 13:15:00 -
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Ren Coursa wrote:Good Posting wrote:Ren Coursa wrote:
You are not a paying customer as far as ccp is concerned, you are basically just an extra load on the server.
I have the feeling that you are too dumb for this game. It is... just a feeling. Might be true, care to elaborate?
If you have a subscription you pay real money to CCP. If you buy a plex, someone bought it with real money.
Either way CCP gets real money.
If you have a multimedia account, than CCP does not get any money. But for that you have to work a bit in order to get it. German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
Tyburn Stannis
Xenon Salvage Inc.
113
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Posted - 2014.03.27 13:17:00 -
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Sable Moran wrote:Edit: Consider it this way, how long IRL it takes you to make 15 euros? How long it takes you to make 750 million ISK in-game? If the latter is a significantly longer period of time it should be eminently clear how to pay your subscription.
This. A thousand times this.
If you make enough ISK to plex your account whist doing other things in game you already enjoy, rock on. But if you're sitting there for hours and hours on end doing stuff you don't like but "have to do" to make ISK to get Plex... then in the words of the internet, ur doin' it wrong,
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SKINE DMZ
S U P R E M E - M A T H E M A T I C S A Band Apart.
341
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Posted - 2014.03.27 13:19:00 -
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Good Posting wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Desimus Maximus wrote: If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
Im not buying anymore Ferraris until they reduce the price to what I want to pay EVE isn't a ferrari. It is a flock of whiners and scrub lords You really don't do your name justice.. I disagree |
Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
2467
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Posted - 2014.03.27 13:20:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model. It is a subscription-only model. The question is, how much are you willing to do for another person to pay your subscription? Apparently, its a sellers market.
Quote:Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
There's one really good way to make it no longer feel like that. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Good Posting
Posting with my Mind
134
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Posted - 2014.03.27 13:21:00 -
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Justice is irrelevant in eve, and in real life. |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
2636
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Posted - 2014.03.27 13:21:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Slade Trillgon wrote:Other than the fact you 'can' play for free, via utilizing in game currency to pay for plex paid for by others cash, and that you can pay real life cash for plex and aurum, you are totally correct. Just because you can get your subscription paid without you opening your wallet does not mean the game is free-to-play. It's still a pay-to-play subscription game, only with a mechanism to let others pay for your subscription. PLEX is a good, not a currency, and AUR is a currency in name only since it can't really be transferred or exchanged, or used to buy any of the regular goods and services you'd expect from a working currencyGǪ but again, that's mainly a failure of implementation. The best you can do is get transfer vehicles that can be exchanged with others, but which themselves can't be used as currency.
I may have oversimplified things. CCP was trying to move towards a 'free to play' structure. Free to play games make their money because they control one form of currency that is only used for specific things in game. So if you want to take advantage of those areas you must either shell out cash or use the in game generated currency to purchase the 'other currency'. Yes EvE is not a true free to play game, but CCP is using that model and does control two forms of codes that can only be purchased out of game. One of those is used in the exact way that free to plays use their currecny, other than the items you can purchase in EvE do not affect the game play. Hence why I said it looks like CCP is succeeding in what they wanted to try to do after the golden ammo incident; increase their revenue via a developer controlled commodity. |
flakeys
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
2114
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Posted - 2014.03.27 13:25:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
Oh but there is one thing that can get that done on a casual schedule though it's not on your list ... trading .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
2468
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Posted - 2014.03.27 13:27:00 -
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Slade Trillgon wrote:I may have oversimplified things. CCP was trying to move towards a 'free to play' structure. Free to play games make their money because they control one form of currency that is only used for specific things in game.
No, they weren't. That's just wrong. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
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Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
95
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Posted - 2014.03.27 13:28:00 -
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Oh no! People not paying for the game are threatening to leave! Oh the humanity! |
SKINE DMZ
S U P R E M E - M A T H E M A T I C S A Band Apart.
342
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Posted - 2014.03.27 13:34:00 -
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Good Posting wrote:Justice is irrelevant in eve, and in real life. Still not really there but I guess it's an improvement. I disagree |
Radric Davids
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
0
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Posted - 2014.03.27 13:43:00 -
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Its just inflation. With time, the prices of goods that you sell for income will rise due to the fact that people selling plex for ISK will have more isk. aka a rise in the money supply. This extra isk in the wallets of many players will increase their demand for goods and services, thus causing prices of all goods to rise to about the same level. The real price level of the economy will be basically the same after some time |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
1210
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Posted - 2014.03.27 13:44:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels. Stop whining . That is how inflation works. And guess who is to blame?
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
2636
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Posted - 2014.03.27 13:56:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Slade Trillgon wrote:I may have oversimplified things. CCP was trying to move towards a 'free to play' structure. Free to play games make their money because they control one form of currency that is only used for specific things in game. No, they weren't. That's just wrong.
Yes they were. They were thinking about selling items that effect game play for real life cash. That is the free to play structure. |
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
171
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Posted - 2014.03.27 13:57:00 -
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Slade Trillgon wrote:Batelle wrote:Slade Trillgon wrote:I may have oversimplified things. CCP was trying to move towards a 'free to play' structure. Free to play games make their money because they control one form of currency that is only used for specific things in game. No, they weren't. That's just wrong. Yes they were. They were thinking about selling items that effect game play for real life cash. That is the free to play structure.
No, that's monetization.... Clothes do not keep you subbed and able to play. |
Eli Porter
Nanashi no Geemu
0
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:03:00 -
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Due to more experienced players having multiple active characters, PLEX prices are pretty damn high. If all players only had one character, PLEX prices would be like 300mil.
I could be wrong but I think the primary cause is PI, since it's by far the easiest way to profit off of having a lot of alts. No multi-boxing required. I wonder how many PI alts the average rich player has? |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
1081
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:10:00 -
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I'm not resubbing when my time runs out on my accounts... partly because of the PLEX prices, mostly because I haven't really had the urge to play much these days. Been pretty much PLEXing just to train skills in case I get the urge to play. I do have the ability to generate a lot of ISK fast, but like I said, just don't have the urge to play.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who has been PLEXing just to keep an account or two going to train skills. I think those are the ones you will actually see let their accounts lapse when the ISK runs out. In the scheme of things, there really isn't much of a difference between 600 and 700 million ISK. |
Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
2470
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:11:00 -
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Slade Trillgon wrote:Batelle wrote:Slade Trillgon wrote:I may have oversimplified things. CCP was trying to move towards a 'free to play' structure. Free to play games make their money because they control one form of currency that is only used for specific things in game. No, they weren't. That's just wrong. Yes they were. They were thinking about selling items that effect game play for real life cash. That is the free to play structure.
Are you basing this entirely on the "greed is good" memo? I don't think that reaches the level of "CCP was trying to move towards...." That was an opinion piece by Soundwave, who despite being very important as lead dev, was not empowered to make such a decision like that on his own. Besides, we're talking about PLEX, and the existence of PLEX as a payment option does not mean Eve has or was trying to move towards a " 'free to play' structure." "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Catherine Wolfisheim
Born Crazy
6
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:15:00 -
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Not everyone has to aim to pay their own subscription to the game. PLEX has use for either (a) Those who really don't want to pay real monies for their subscription. (b) Pilots that have so much ISK that can just throw some change for a PLEX. |
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