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Jill Chastot
Oath of the Forsaken Sanguis Ignis Prosperitum
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Posted - 2014.03.27 23:02:00 -
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Cheng Musana wrote:what? havent played like 2 weeks and its over 700 mil now? Screw that eve was only interesting for me cause i could play it more or less for free. Knowing that i probs wont play anymore if things wont settle down.
Renter alert! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=298596&find=unread OATHS wants you. Come to the WH "Safety in eve is the greatest fallacy you will ever encounter. Once you accept this you will truely enjoy this game."
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Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
920
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Posted - 2014.03.27 23:24:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:1/2+1/4+1/8 = 3/4 ... That would be 7/8. Or 0.79 with stacking penalties.
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Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
30
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Posted - 2014.03.28 00:44:00 -
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The only isk sinks in the game would be what?
Skill books LP store insurance that expires clones war decs corp offices various taxes and fees with buying/selling various taxes and fees with renting an assembly line (not sure never produced anything) high-sec POS charters?
Most of those are pretty insignificant also. This game really does need some more Isk sinks that effects everyone. Vacuums suck. |
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
929
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:20:00 -
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Yeah it's pretty expensive right now, CCP has made an asinine move with their ship skins, but it's not back-breaking right now. This month there have been two or three days where I did any ratting. I also got an escalation I sold for 50/50 loot, which gave me a minor bump, but all said I'm most-of-the-way to paying for a plex while stll having fun in the game.
Plex prices become untenable when Eve starts feeling like a job to play. At that point going back to $15/mo is doable if CCP refuses to step in with price controls. If working super hard to fund alt accounts when I need them becomes an issue, I might stop playing, but that's still a ways down the line. |
Adoris Nolen
Sama Guild
49
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:24:00 -
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Plex is tied to worldwide oil prices. The higher oil goes, Plex follows suit. |
Insane Nutta
Insane Cru
1
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:36:00 -
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Super spikinator wrote:Good thing you are not on serenity then. From memory Plexing an account costs 2.5B isk.
Yeah .... but buying a PLEX on Serenity costs 60Yuan .. Thats
UK - -ú5.80 US - $9.50 EU - Gé¼7.00
But you are correct when you sell the PLEX you get about 2.5 Billion ISK |
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
158
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:43:00 -
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I just let half of my accounts run out. Didn't need them anyway.
Anyone wanna trade me 25 PLEX for 20bil worth of random faction mods? I'm too lazy to sell all this crap. |
ValhaIIa Rising
Valhalla Asgard Helgafjell
0
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Posted - 2014.03.28 03:39:00 -
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Bully, bully bully!!!! It's a bull market for PLEX buyers. Sux to be a PLEX user. |
Waltaratzor
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.03.28 03:43:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
So what? CCP isn't directly making money off you. They make money off people who buy plexes with real cash and sell them. Higher plex prices mean more people buy plex with real cash. CCP has no incentive to lower prices. |
Waltaratzor
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.03.28 03:46:00 -
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Dominic karin wrote:At 400m i thought well it's reasonable i suppose, at 500m I was a bit annoyed at 600m I thought alright this is a bit much but now at 700m+ it's starting to get ridiculous. Not even gonna get into when it was 200m (those were the days). Bottom line CCP Needs to stop adding functionality and stupid **** to the subscription card that a large portion of the player base pays for the game with. As soon as more ship skins start getting added to the AUR store I could see plex hitting the 1b+ mark easily which is too high considering that these skinned ships are going to be getting blown up a lot.
Then buy plex with cash and do your part to lower the price. |
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VaIhalla Rising
Valhalla Asgard Helgafjell
1
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Posted - 2014.03.28 04:14:00 -
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BULLY! |
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
348
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Posted - 2014.03.28 06:04:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
Lol, this is why I started using my real life job to keep my three accounts going.
http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
you will be harvested |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5094
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Posted - 2014.03.28 06:24:00 -
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Regan Rotineque wrote:Excellent form of population control...let plex rise to high levels and the weak and non productive in EvE shall perish.
Well, I'm hoping that more people will pay by 12 month subscription (a net loss to CCP over the PLEX subscription), and play the game for the fun of the game rather than the need to farm up a PLEX every month. With less focus on ISK/hr, people can just participate in the activities that they enjoy.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
2673
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Posted - 2014.03.28 07:38:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Regan Rotineque wrote:Excellent form of population control...let plex rise to high levels and the weak and non productive in EvE shall perish. Well, I'm hoping that more people will pay by 12 month subscription (a net loss to CCP over the PLEX subscription), and play the game for the fun of the game rather than the need to farm up a PLEX every month. With less focus on ISK/hr, people can just participate in the activities that they enjoy.
+1 *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Facebook would never tolerate that behaviour we are talking about" - Big Lynx |
Allthat Andsome
B52 Bombers
0
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Posted - 2014.03.28 08:02:00 -
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http://m.memegenerator.net/instance/47796833
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Qen Tye
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2014.03.28 08:16:00 -
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It's probably already said somewhere in this thread, but didn't bother to read cause /scrambles to get my credit card and buy plex to sell
and DAMN me! for selling two the other day for 680m each in hi-sec. Should have gone to Jita. Two possibilities exists: Either we are alone in the universe-áor we are not. Bot are equally terrifying.
- Arthur C. Clarke |
Gregor Parud
359
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Posted - 2014.03.28 08:52:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Regan Rotineque wrote:Excellent form of population control...let plex rise to high levels and the weak and non productive in EvE shall perish. Well, I'm hoping that more people will pay by 12 month subscription (a net loss to CCP over the PLEX subscription), and play the game for the fun of the game rather than the need to farm up a PLEX every month. With less focus on ISK/hr, people can just participate in the activities that they enjoy.
Also makes demand lower, dropping plex prices. It's win win really. And to the OP; If you the increase in price causes trouble for you, you're doing it wrong. |
Icylce
The Chosen 0nes DARKNESS.
31
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Posted - 2014.03.28 08:57:00 -
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Markku Laaksonen wrote:Work at a McD's making minimum wage, don't be totally irresponsible with your money, and save about two day's pay for a year's sub to EVE. A year's sub is currently 100 USD, but I could have sworn it was 120 USD, and am using the higher price anyway. Can you make enough ISK to PLEX your account for a year during the course of two days even when PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable level? A year's worth of PLEX at 500m would be 6b ISK. What percentage of the player base can make 6b in two working day (16 hrs)? No. You can't. Ever. Minimum wage was used as a baseline. You likely make more. For example, if you're American, you likely make closer to the national average 24 USD / hr as per the Bureau of Labor website statistics. Lets say you're not quite average and only make 10 USD / hr, and you're not totally irresponsible with your money. You only need to work for 12 hours to make that much. Less than 2 full 8hr days. Let's just get the first 120 USD down payment out of the way and then start saving for the next one, and assume you get paid twice monthly. You only need to save 5 bucks a paycheck. That's it. If you can't save 5 bucks a paycheck, there are other things you need to worry about rather than playing EVE. PLEX prices are subject to the in-game market. While CCP does intervene to effect its price, that's BS and they shouldn't. But so far they haven't and the cheapest you can find in Jita is over 700mil. Just pay a yearly sub. If you do it now, it's only 8.33 USD / mo and you never need to worry about grinding out ISK for next month. EDIT: Added BoL source EDIT2: UK statistics on earnings, average hourly earning on page 7. This one is a couple years out of date, but all I can be bothered to look up.
Please consider, not each country has such high minimal and median wages. For example in my country, median wage is about 650 GPB/month. If u compare it with the link u posted in edit 2 there is huge difeerence in earning in my country and UK 650GBP/mont vs 546GBP/week or 449GBP week. Also I would like to point out the prices here for services and products are comparable with US and UK.
So while your argument about paying for eve with your RL earnings is correct, your assumption everyone with job can afford it is wrong.
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Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra Gallente Federation
101
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Posted - 2014.03.28 09:34:00 -
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GreasyCarl Semah wrote:I run quite a few accounts and only plex one of them. I am not extremely wealthy or anything like that but a hundred bucks a month isn't bothering me that much. I feel for the folks that try to grind out the ISK to plex every month, that is a lot of work and you have my sympathy. I do think it is possible that at some point things turn and the price heads down, although it may require a declining player base in order to take that direction. Even then it probably wouldn't last long and would turn upward again.
A (severly) declining player base would be bad, so let's hope it doesn't come to that. |
Adoris Nolen
Sama Guild
49
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Posted - 2014.03.28 09:46:00 -
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It's more like CCP needs to advertise to get more american & western european players whom can afford to buy plex. |
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Cheng Musana
Purple Space Ponys AAA Citizens
59
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Posted - 2014.03.28 09:58:00 -
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Adoris Nolen wrote:It's more like CCP needs to advertise to get more american & western european players whom can afford to buy plex. Or get more players to actually bother paying for their product. Lets face it most players who use plex (like myself) play this game because it can be played for free. It has nothing to do with it if i could subscribe for it or not. The amount of content avaible with each expansion isnt just worth my real money. If CCP would actually get like 4-6 new ships out with new additions to the game i might would subscribe to it. But as it stands now i only see that they are milking the players like cows. |
Qen Tye
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2014.03.28 10:21:00 -
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One thing strikes me..
When I started play this game, PLEX was non existant. Despite this fact, the player base in prime time on server were around 50k logged on.
That number still holds. So implementing PLEX have not changed the number of the player base (at least not from my pov).
In any event; CCP are not going to: - remove PLEX - intervene on ingame prices on PLEX
PLEX is an income and be rest assured they will not remove it unless player base in fact does drop heavily and / or no one buys them anymore. Two possibilities exists: Either we are alone in the universe-áor we are not. Both are equally terrifying.
- Arthur C. Clarke |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3326
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Posted - 2014.03.28 11:30:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Even non super rich players (like me!) bought PLEX as a hedge against inflation. If you have a few billion ISK just sitting in your wallet, you might as well convert your ISK into PLEX until you need to spend it. Since PLEX have consistently trended upwards, or at worst temporarily plateaued, since they were introduced, it's a very low risk, low effort strategy.
It's basically the nearest EVE equivalent of a savings account, since your investment is backed by a real asset.
One of the few smart moves I ever made with my ISK was to buy 28 PLEX at 300M back in 2011. I used some of them and sold most at 500M or more when I started flying nice ships again. I still have a couple left just in case. You mean I'm not the only one who thought of this?
I have 5 accounts with paid annual subscriptions. [I don't want PLEX grinding to be a job.] I have a small stash of PLEX too. The last 6x PLEX I burned on dual character training, because I needed another research alt with level 4 science skills.
Even if the PLEX market tanks, PLEX are still very useful. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2868
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Posted - 2014.03.28 11:42:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
It takes like two sites in a c5 wormhole to cover that price. I'm sure certain sites in null cover it quite well too.
Maybe you should just get better at the game, instead of being angry that your FREE subscription via isk isn't free enough? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20293
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Posted - 2014.03.28 12:28:00 -
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Last Wolf wrote:The only isk sinks in the game would be what?
Skill books LP store insurance that expires clones war decs corp offices various taxes and fees with buying/selling various taxes and fees with renting an assembly line (not sure never produced anything) high-sec POS charters?
Most of those are pretty insignificant also. This game really does need some more Isk sinks that effects everyone. So you just skipped over the last list?
Let's try again:
Faucets:- NPC bounties
- NPC buy orders
- Agent rewards: Mission rewards, Mission time bonuses, Incursion rewards, Deposit repayment
- Insurance payout
- GM actions: Reimbursement for lost pods
- Character creation
Sinks:- Market taxes & fees: Broker fees, Sales tax
- NPC sell orders
- NPC station services: Repairs, Jump clone installation, Medical clone installation/upgrade/station change, Science and industry slot rental, Ship insurance
- NPC station office fees: Rent, Impound penalties
- Wardecs
- Reimbursed player bounties
- Sovereignty fees
- PI fees: Building PI structures, Import/export tax (from NPC-owned and highsec customs offices)
- Corp & alliance fees: Corp creation, Alliance creation, Alliance upkeep, Creating/awarding medals, Corp registry ads
- Agent fees: (Certain) LP store items, Locator agent services, Courier missions w/ deposits
- CSPA Charges
- Smuggling fines
- GM Actions: Removal of bought ISK, Removal of insurance after ship reimbursement
- Character deletion (including the GÇ£soft sinkGÇ¥ of accounts being frozen or banned, and the even softer sink of accounts being abandoned forever)
Taxes and fees represent ~15% of the ISK removal; ship destruction represents ~6% of the ISK injection. Since roughly forever, the ISK injected-to-ISK sunk ratio has been 2:1, with incursions and w-space being the biggest additions on the faucet side, and NPC sell orders (mainly skill books and blueprints) consistently being the biggest sink. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Demica Diaz
SE-1
138
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Posted - 2014.03.28 12:42:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
When you start feeling like this then yes, it is not worth grinding PLEX. Because with 2-3 hours of real life work you can pay for your account. Paying real money for account also beings you more benefit as you can spend your ISK on something else instead of PLEX.
I am all up for PLEX going as high as 5 billion as it will remove a lot of alt accounts which EVE seem to be swarming atm. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14593
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Posted - 2014.03.28 12:43:00 -
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By far the largest ISK sink is the LP stores.
LP conversion consumes approximately as much ISK as is generated by all mission bounty & rewards. In terms of "inflation", missioning is essentially neutral.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20293
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Posted - 2014.03.28 12:48:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:By far the largest ISK sink is the LP stores.
LP conversion consumes approximately as much ISK as is generated by all mission bounty & rewards. In terms of "inflation", missioning is essentially neutral. If you separate them as more discrete blocks, then yes. If you lump them up into main source, then I still believe NPC sell orders edges ahead, with skill books being roughly on the same levels as LP, and blueprints being maybe a third lower. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
31
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:23:00 -
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Tippia So you just skipped over [url="https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4398723#post4398723" wrote:the last list[/url]?
You don't expect me to read the entire thread do you?
Most of the significant isk sinks are completely avoidable, for say a 0.0 ratter that never uses LP or buys blue prints Skillbooks are a 1 time sink per skill book per character, and there is nothing forcing you to buy the expensive ones (probably the most expensive one I have ever bought would be 200m or so)
We need an isk sink(s) that effects everyone, unavoidably. Or at least make the reward for the sink enough that a significant amount of people put a significant amount of isk into it.
Vacuums suck. |
Qen Tye
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:26:00 -
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Last Wolf wrote:We need an isk sink(s) that effects everyone, unavoidably. Or at least make the reward for the sink enough that a significant amount of people put a significant amount of isk into it.
No we don't
Two possibilities exists: Either we are alone in the universe-áor we are not. Both are equally terrifying.
- Arthur C. Clarke |
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