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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:31:00 -
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Last Wolf wrote:We need an isk sink(s) that effects everyone, unavoidably. Or at least make the reward for the sink enough that a significant amount of people put a significant amount of isk into it. We have those: taxes and NPC sell orders. With the ESS, we also have LP stores making an impact on null.
Everyone is affected, and by all accounts, the faucet-to-sink ratio is currently pretty much where it should be. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5591
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:34:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels. It takes like two sites in a c5 wormhole to cover that price. I'm sure certain sites in null cover it quite well too. Maybe you should just get better at the game, instead of being angry that your FREE subscription via isk isn't free enough?
Last night me and a buddy did a 10/10 and it dropped a pirate ship BPC and some hardeners. 1.3 bil (almost 2 plex) total for 30 minutes work. Doesn't always work that way of course, but making isk in EVE isn't even that time consuming if you know what to do. you don't even need access to null or high end wormholes
Even with the changing Faction War Landscape, making a plex worth of isk takes no time at all. http://forum.eveuniversity.org/viewtopic.php?t=65348&p=574466 |
GsyBoy
Hooded Underworld Guys Northern Coalition.
10
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:47:00 -
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Think it has all been said.
Buying PLEX is a privilege earned by skilled up older players that have the intelligence to earn ISK whilst playing their game, that is why the free trial exists and tbh it is not expensive to play Eve as a casual player, -ú9.99 per month, thatGÇÖs like half a bottle of half decent scotch per month. If you own 5 toons and are not making ISK then you are doing it wrong and not intelligent or resourceful enough to benefit from free game time.
However CCP could buy and sell these like skill books and segregate from the economy however not sure as to what effect that would have to the overall economy of Eve, first opinion would be not much if honest. CCP would not do this as PLEX is current is the current buffer to real monies and in theory should compensate for real life inflation.
Suppose all comes down to supply/demand, if peeps are willing to pay, thatGÇÖs the price they will be.
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4822
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:50:00 -
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GsyBoy wrote:Think it has all been said.
Buying PLEX is a privilege earned by skilled up older players that have the intelligence to earn ISK whilst playing their game, that is why the free trial exists and tbh it is not expensive to play Eve as a casual player, -ú9.99 per month, thatGÇÖs like half a bottle of half decent scotch per month. If you own 5 toons and are not making ISK then you are doing it wrong and not intelligent or resourceful enough to benefit from free game time.
However CCP could buy and sell these like skill books and segregate from the economy however not sure as to what effect that would have to the overall economy of Eve, first opinion would be not much if honest. CCP would not do this as PLEX is current is the current buffer to real monies and in theory should compensate for real life inflation.
Suppose all comes down to supply/demand, if peeps are willing to pay, thatGÇÖs the price they will be.
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GsyBoy
Hooded Underworld Guys Northern Coalition.
10
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:28:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:GsyBoy wrote:Think it has all been said.
Buying PLEX is a privilege earned by skilled up older players that have the intelligence to earn ISK whilst playing their game, that is why the free trial exists and tbh it is not expensive to play Eve as a casual player, -ú9.99 per month, thatGÇÖs like half a bottle of half decent scotch per month. If you own 5 toons and are not making ISK then you are doing it wrong and not intelligent or resourceful enough to benefit from free game time.
However CCP could buy and sell these like skill books and segregate from the economy however not sure as to what effect that would have to the overall economy of Eve, first opinion would be not much if honest. CCP would not do this as PLEX is current is the current buffer to real monies and in theory should compensate for real life inflation.
Suppose all comes down to supply/demand, if peeps are willing to pay, thatGÇÖs the price they will be.
What?
Think it has all been said.
Buying PLEX is a privilege earned by skilled up older players that have the intelligence to earn ISK whilst playing their game, that is why the free trial exists and tbh it is not expensive to play Eve as a casual player, -ú9.99 per month, thatGÇÖs like half a bottle of half decent scotch per month. If you own 5 toons and are not making ISK then you are doing it wrong and not intelligent or resourceful enough to benefit from free game time.
However CCP could buy and sell these like skill books and segregate from the economy however not sure as to what effect that would have to the overall economy of Eve, first opinion would be not much if honest. CCP would not do this as PLEX is current is the current buffer to real monies and in theory should compensate for real life inflation.
Suppose all comes down to supply/demand, if peeps are willing to pay, thatGÇÖs the price they will be. |
Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
925
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Posted - 2014.03.28 15:07:00 -
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Yes, we saw it the first time.
But this paragraphGsyBoy wrote:However CCP could buy and sell these like skill books and segregate from the economy however not sure as to what effect that would have to the overall economy of Eve, first opinion would be not much if honest. CCP would not do this as PLEX is current is the current buffer to real monies and in theory should compensate for real life inflation. was pretty hard to follow.
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ExcalibursTemplar
Citadel Enterprises
30
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Posted - 2014.03.28 15:26:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
I'm already doing that myself as PLEX prices are nuts.
I honestly don't expect to be back though as CCP keep adding more PLEX sinks to the game so i can only see the price going up and up.
It's not that i'm playing for free either i pay the subs on two accounts already. I just wanted to start some alt accounts so i could setup a small industry operation for myself which has always been my goal in eve. If i can't acheive my goals in eve i just don't see the point in playing anymore.
Note: No you can't have my stuff its mine i worked my arse of to get it.
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GsyBoy
Hooded Underworld Guys Northern Coalition.
10
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Posted - 2014.03.28 15:27:00 -
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Shederov Blood wrote:Yes, we saw it the first time. But this paragraph GsyBoy wrote:However CCP could buy and sell these like skill books and segregate from the economy however not sure as to what effect that would have to the overall economy of Eve, first opinion would be not much if honest. CCP would not do this as PLEX is current is the current buffer to real monies and in theory should compensate for real life inflation. was pretty hard to follow.
Ummm, yeah, not sure tbh with that one nüè
I think what I was trying to convey was that PLEXES are the link to real life currency and as not an economist, not sure as to what the effect in Eve would be of CCP selling them/buying them in certain stations at fixed price like skill books/tag as understand a lot of ISK is introduced by people buying plexes and selling them for ISK. Thinking about it not sure there would be much effect.
I think one of the consequences of this however could possibly be more peeps travelling around with them to take the risk of selling them for a premium in other stations more maybe.
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GsyBoy
Hooded Underworld Guys Northern Coalition.
10
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Posted - 2014.03.28 15:40:00 -
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Also normal traders (my obseravation as only a samll time buy low/ sell high trader) don't trade with PLEXES, margins too tight, may as well trade in something else. Only brought by the big tycoons and relisted at inflated prices or peeps saving in the hope of increase in prices by the big tycoons. |
Celestra Doxaila
MinTek Heavy Industries
77
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Posted - 2014.03.28 15:49:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
If you are not paying to play...why would CCP care? You are basically ranting to us that it is unfair that you cannot play the game for free. |
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1230
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:28:00 -
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Ha ha... PLEX is a scam. |
Flybiere
F'n'F Inc
16
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:38:00 -
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Plexers are their own problem. HTFU.
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Bumsicle Wedgie
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:47:00 -
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Scrubs be having to work harder?
Go scrubs. |
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
1057
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:05:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 2 billion, I'm buying one, you may as well just let it go up there faster
I want to be able to buy at least 2 carrier with my hard earned money
people not subscribing like me should work harder to play for free
thanks Harry YouTube - Tumblr - Facebook - Twitter |
Ralen Zateki
Nexis.
166
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:17:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
Can I has yer stuff? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14599
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:36:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Malcanis wrote:By far the largest ISK sink is the LP stores.
LP conversion consumes approximately as much ISK as is generated by all mission bounty & rewards. In terms of "inflation", missioning is essentially neutral. If you separate them as more discrete blocks, then yes. If you lump them up into main source, then I still believe NPC sell orders edges ahead, with skill books being roughly on the same levels as LP, and blueprints being maybe a third lower.
ISK on inactitve accounts is also a very economically significant ISK sink (depending on how rigorously you want to define the term; since the velocity of ISK on active accounts is zero, then for purposes of economic effect, it has left the game)
1 Kings 12:11
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20299
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:49:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:ISK on inactitve accounts is also a very economically significant ISK sink (depending on how rigorously you want to define the term; since the velocity of ISK on active accounts is zero, then for purposes of economic effect, it has left the game) WeeellGǪ I wonder how significant it is. I mean, most faucets and sinks are measured in tens of billions a day, so it would require lots of cancellations and reasonably large wallets to start to measure up. I don't quite remember what the average wallet looks like GÇö it was something along the lines of 2bn last I heard(?), so you'd need a dozen or two of those to cancel every day for it to measure up.
But then, EVE is dyingGäó, so it's obviously in the trillions. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
250
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Posted - 2014.03.28 19:02:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Last Wolf wrote:We need an isk sink(s) that effects everyone, unavoidably. Or at least make the reward for the sink enough that a significant amount of people put a significant amount of isk into it. We have those: taxes and NPC sell orders. With the ESS, we also have LP stores making an impact on null. Everyone is affected, and by all accounts, the faucet-to-sink ratio is currently pretty much where it should be.
As a frequent trader I would like to see the tax rate go back down to 1%. So much ISK I see disappearing from my wallet. |
Tear Jar
The Conference Elite CODE.
56
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Posted - 2014.03.28 19:19:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Tippia wrote:Malcanis wrote:By far the largest ISK sink is the LP stores.
LP conversion consumes approximately as much ISK as is generated by all mission bounty & rewards. In terms of "inflation", missioning is essentially neutral. If you separate them as more discrete blocks, then yes. If you lump them up into main source, then I still believe NPC sell orders edges ahead, with skill books being roughly on the same levels as LP, and blueprints being maybe a third lower. ISK on inactitve accounts is also a very economically significant ISK sink (depending on how rigorously you want to define the term; since the velocity of ISK on active accounts is zero, then for purposes of economic effect, it has left the game)
Inactive accounts also take a lot of tangible goods out of the market(which causes inflation).
Overall, I expect that the two effects will cancel out. |
Biomecca
The New Eden School of trade xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
3
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Posted - 2014.03.28 19:31:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
Hang on dude, are you complaining about a game being free right now? |
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Dray Cil
Dragonfire Industries Weyr Syndicate
30
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Posted - 2014.03.28 20:28:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Just in case the implication of that isn't entirely clear, that means that people like me - not mega rich, just with some liquid ISK - buy PLEX not to use for subs but as a "reserve currency". Naturally this puts a lot of upward pressure on prices, because lots of players want a safe, easy way to protect the value of their wallets.
The US dollar has enjoyed a similar effect in the real world.
Thanks for giving everyone this idea and inflating the price even more. poopyhead.
o.O
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Shizuken
Venerated Stars
250
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Posted - 2014.03.28 20:30:00 -
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Dray Cil wrote:Malcanis wrote:Just in case the implication of that isn't entirely clear, that means that people like me - not mega rich, just with some liquid ISK - buy PLEX not to use for subs but as a "reserve currency". Naturally this puts a lot of upward pressure on prices, because lots of players want a safe, easy way to protect the value of their wallets.
The US dollar has enjoyed a similar effect in the real world. Thanks for giving everyone this idea and inflating the price even more. poopyhead.
Well if you were already doin this then you should be happy. Just sell when it gets to 750mil |
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
646
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Posted - 2014.03.28 21:22:00 -
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Plex can be used for ;
Multiple Character Training , Ship Painting, Game Time, transferring characters between accounts and resculpting your characterGÇÖs physical appearance, Exchange for Aurum, Get tickets to events and live streams, Plex for Good etc etc etc
THEREFORE
Plex will Never decrease in value, it won't stop at 1 Bil, it'll go up endlessly, very slowly but surely.
There's just too many things Plex can be used for now.... Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
Sumerias
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.03.28 21:42:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
I guess, if all nice consumer products such as nice cars, nice drinks, nice houses, nice techs, nice clothes, nice MMORPG's, etc. would be given away for totally free, well, I guess in that case we all soon would "end up feeding the ducks and the pigeons in the parks" because of the lack of any interesting/entertaining/likable alternatives to enjoy in pour spare times, since no producers would exist anymore enthousiastically investing their time & money in creating any of those nice consumer products we enjoy so much(!) "This is the way of the world, my son (phrase of Morgan Freeman, as I recall correctly)".
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hellokittyonline
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
93
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Posted - 2014.03.28 22:34:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels. The reason plex prices are so high is because casual PvE nets too much income. So it's a give and take, you either get to plex your account or you get an isk faucet.
I predict that if the rewards for incursions and missions were readjusted (by removing the raw isk rewards and increasing the loot and LP) there would be much less inflation and plex prices would be much lower.
The reason CCP will not make this change is because giving more LP would just make LP rewards worth less and the only other option would be to give more loot but that can be stolen (gotta keep bubblewrapping dem bears). |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14753
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Posted - 2014.03.28 22:42:00 -
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Dray Cil wrote:Malcanis wrote:Just in case the implication of that isn't entirely clear, that means that people like me - not mega rich, just with some liquid ISK - buy PLEX not to use for subs but as a "reserve currency". Naturally this puts a lot of upward pressure on prices, because lots of players want a safe, easy way to protect the value of their wallets.
The US dollar has enjoyed a similar effect in the real world. Thanks for giving everyone this idea and inflating the price even more. poopyhead.
Well go buy some now and benefit from the inevitable bubble.
1 Kings 12:11
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Seven Koskanaiken
The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans
1105
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Posted - 2014.03.28 22:48:00 -
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Don't worry at 450...500...600...650....700...750 supply will overcome demand and the price will go down.
Economics will definitely start to work at 750. Maybe. |
Rising Valhalla
Valhalla Asgard Helgafjell
0
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:01:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
Dear CCP,
Can I have his stuff too. ......
Or
Dear CCP and Marketeer's,
Please let it rise to 7.5B isk so i can laugh my ass off when this whiner keeps playing. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
284
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:02:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:Plex can be used for ;
Multiple Character Training , Ship Painting, Game Time, transferring characters between accounts and resculpting your characterGÇÖs physical appearance, Exchange for Aurum, Get tickets to events and live streams, Plex for Good etc etc etc
THEREFORE
Plex will Never decrease in value, it won't stop at 1 Bil, it'll go up endlessly, very slowly but surely.
There's just too many things Plex can be used for now....
Not true. Eventually it will hit a point where people will not wan tto pay, as they would rather fork out real money, or just not need the service. What point will this be? who knows, but eventually people will be like "hell no I ain't paying 10b to train an alt' When that happens prices will stagnate then fall. That's how commodities work. Untill then the plex bubble (for that is what it is a bubble) will grow. But it will eventually pop and crash. |
Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
89
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:08:00 -
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Tajic Kaundur wrote:Just going to point this out:
At 1 billion per PLEX, you're looking at 33 million a day to play EVE.
I can make around 500K ISK per hour manufacturing a single tech 1 module. I have 10 lines running things with similar or greater rates of return. No, seriously, Isk Per Hour is showing me an average return of 670K per line.
That's 6.7M an hour.
That's 160.8M a day.
That's significantly more than 33M a day. I only need to run 3 lines to make more than 33 million ISK a day.
If you can't take the effort to make a single freighter run- not even far, just two or three jumps- and make 5 billion ISK a month- I'm not entirely sure if you deserve the luxury of playing off your ISK in the first place.
Making 33 million a day is not hard. PLEX aren't even 1 billion ISK yet. At 750M you only need 25M per day. That's nothing. That's a single tick of ratting in null, which requires less setup money than a freighter run.
You can literally buy your PLEX for 20-30 minutes a day.
If that's not casual play, 20-30 minutes a day at most, I have no idea what is. You don't even need to do it daily, spend three hours on the weekend or something, whatever. ISK is not hard to get.
Why have you kept all this to yourself and didn't share it with you fellow Brave Newbies?
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