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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
11546
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:58:00 -
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Rikii Rook wrote:I could care less about it really. If your afk I get to rat or mine to my hearts content. If you are around, I just logg onto another alt and do something else for the time being.
A problem becomes not a problem with with the correct application of common sense.
Thank you Rikii! Exactly my point! Im not really affecting you at all! But alas, you are in the minority of players. You see, you have the ability to overcome your fears, and don't feel trapped by any of my actions! Most of your fellow capsuleers don't, hence why I do this.
You get a +1 from me for using "Common Sense". Would you agree that since the majority of people don't use "Common Sense" that it should be named "Uncommon Sense" instead? Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Alyth Nerun
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER CODE.
146
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Posted - 2014.03.27 22:09:00 -
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Dark Hominy wrote:Given that you freely admit to being AFK and as everyone knows that AFK is bot-aspirant behavior, you are in violation of the CODE.
I pose that NEW ORDER should enforce their code on these AFK cloakers to the maximum penalty they can impose.
Actually AFK cloaking is not illegal under the CODE. People forget that there is a reason why AFK mining is bad.
Supreme Protector and Savior of highsec James 315, father of the New Order wrote: First of all, we can note that nowhere in the Code does it say anything about AFK cloaking--or any other AFK activity other than AFK mining. Once again, this makes perfect sense. We would not, for example, threaten to bump someone who was AFK while docked in a station. Nor is it bot-aspirant behavior to be AFK while docked. Mining in highsec is the only situation in which being AFK is problematic.
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Since the CODE is more strict than the EULA/TOS and represents the moral high ground per se, we can conclude that AFK cloaking is acceptable. Because of it's psychological component and the impact on a whole system I would go as far as to say that it is in fact one of the more advanced forms of 1337-PvP warfare in this game. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
515
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Posted - 2014.03.27 22:18:00 -
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Seeming as most hisec miners do not carry combat probes they are never going to know the difference between an AFK cloaker and another miner. Does seem to freak out bluebears.
I actually find it amusing to AFK cloak for a while when silly people are camping low traffic losec systems, gives them something to do when they can see someone in local. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
11546
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Posted - 2014.03.27 22:18:00 -
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Alyth Nerun wrote:Since the CODE is more strict than the EULA/TOS and represents the moral high ground per se...
Alyth, Thank you for your contribution. I would like to point out that you used the buzzword/phrase "Moral high ground", and id really like to steer away from using phrases like that. While this thread is all about the morality of my gameplay choices, Id like to keep the conversation civil and rational, and buzzwords tend to make threads go the opposite way.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
11546
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Posted - 2014.03.27 22:22:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Seeming as most hisec miners do not carry combat probes they are never going to know the difference between an AFK cloaker and another miner. Does seem to freak out bluebears.
I actually find it amusing to AFK cloak for a while when silly people are camping low traffic losec systems, gives them something to do when they can see someone in local.
Highsec miner do not carry Combat probes, thank you for that observation Hasikan! But you see, highsec miners do have access to LOCAL, making them prime targets for AFK Cloaking/camping gameplay, especially while wardecced! Thank you for your contribution, and im glad you find it amusing to cloak as well! Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
515
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Posted - 2014.03.27 22:23:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Seeming as most hisec miners do not carry combat probes they are never going to know the difference between an AFK cloaker and another miner. Does seem to freak out bluebears.
I actually find it amusing to AFK cloak for a while when silly people are camping low traffic losec systems, gives them something to do when they can see someone in local. Highsec miner do not carry Combat probes, thank you for that observation Hasikan! But you see, highsec miners do have access to LOCAL, making them prime targets for AFK Cloaking/camping gameplay, especially while wardecced! Thank you for your contribution, and im glad you find it amusing to cloak as well!
Just create two or three alts with almost identical names. Then they will think you are mining bots. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
11548
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Posted - 2014.03.27 22:29:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Just create two or three alts with almost identical names. Then they will think you are mining bots.
You are a wealth of info! I hadn't thought of that!
So ill just go ahead an assume that morally you find the activities that im performing to be ok and within the confines of legit gameplay? Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
934
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Posted - 2014.03.27 22:31:00 -
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I thyink you must be rage quilted form the game by EvE. It's not fare that you can sit in sistem. I feel threatned.
If I ever find your claoky ship, I'll burn it like cancer, you meen anti-social bully. eve-bazaar - Discount prices on ships and PLEX. Real savings to drive your ISK further. |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Panhandle Industries
334
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Posted - 2014.03.27 22:33:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Seeming as most hisec miners do not carry combat probes they are never going to know the difference between an AFK cloaker and another miner. Does seem to freak out bluebears.
I actually find it amusing to AFK cloak for a while when silly people are camping low traffic losec systems, gives them something to do when they can see someone in local. Highsec miner do not carry Combat probes, thank you for that observation Hasikan! But you see, highsec miners do have access to LOCAL, making them prime targets for AFK Cloaking/camping gameplay, especially while wardecced! Thank you for your contribution, and im glad you find it amusing to cloak as well! Just create two or three alts with almost identical names. Then they will think you are mining bots. Be careful doing this. You might violate the EULA by having your alts impersonate each other! New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
11548
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Posted - 2014.03.27 22:34:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:I thyink you must be rage quilted form the game by EvE. It's not fare that you can sit in sistem. I feel threatned.
If I ever find your claoky ship, I'll burn it like cancer, you meen anti-social bully.
Ive camped you recently haven't I? Ive heard these words before.... Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
11548
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Posted - 2014.03.27 22:36:00 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Just create two or three alts with almost identical names. Then they will think you are mining bots. Be careful doing this. You might violate the EULA by having your alts impersonate each other!
This is an excellent point, and seeing as that I want to avoid any EULA/ToS issues with my gameplay style, I will take this under consideration. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Alyth Nerun
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER CODE.
147
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Posted - 2014.03.27 22:36:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Alyth Nerun wrote:Since the CODE is more strict than the EULA/TOS and represents the moral high ground per se... Alyth, Thank you for your contribution. I would like to point out that you used the buzzword/phrase "Moral high ground", and id really like to steer away from using phrases like that. While this thread is all about the morality of my gameplay choices, Id like to keep the conversation civil and rational, and buzzwords tend to make threads go the opposite way. UAE, you asked for our opinion on your gameplay choices. I am afraid I can't just use my gut feelings, the way Ripart Teg and friends usually go about this things. I rather base my moral judgement in cases like this on a sound moral foundation like the CODE. This is the difference between "just an opinion" and an "informed opinion" based on a moral high ground like the CODE. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
936
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Posted - 2014.03.27 22:39:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Ive camped you recently haven't I? Ive heard these words before....
Actually what I find most scary is now I know you are AFK at work, I wonder who's been answering me back in local.
eve-bazaar - Discount prices on ships and PLEX. Real savings to drive your ISK further. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
11548
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Posted - 2014.03.27 22:45:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Ive camped you recently haven't I? Ive heard these words before.... Actually what I find most scary is now I know you are AFK at work, I wonder who's been answering me back in local.
According to some of my local logs, the Mrs. tends to do a rather rousing UaE impersonation, and has actually made me laugh a few times. You must be in a system where it requires a little proof that my noobs are a threat by typing in local at random times, which is not uncommon. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1045
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Posted - 2014.03.27 23:04:00 -
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-Am I within the bounds of "emergent gameplay"? Yes
-Are my despicable activities allowed under the Eve Online Tos or EULA in peoples opinions? Yes, so long as you are not following or harrasing a specific player over a significant period of time
-Does psychological warfare of this type construe harassment in the eyes of the Eve populace? No, a miscalculation of risk by a player does not constitute that player being harrased
-If someone is unwilling to undock because of my actions, am I holding them against their will? No, see above
-If I am affecting the virtual income of others, and ISK can buy PLEX which has real world value, Am I violating any monetary laws in peoples opinion? I'd question whether plex has real world value within the game. Once turned into an in game item does it not fall into being purely CCP property similarly to all other in game assets? If that is true than any plex purchasable in game with isk is already devoid of RL monetary value thus negating any reverse equivalency of in game isk to RL currency.
-I endure lots of harassment in local via questions about my parentage,my intelligence, my mothers bedroom activities, the size of my manhood, even my own sexual preference... am I also considered a victim? That's situational. Some language violates the EULA and would need to be evaluated on a case by case basis. As such I don't think the community can reliably answer this question. |
Alyth Nerun
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER CODE.
147
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Posted - 2014.03.27 23:05:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:You get a +1 from me for using "Common Sense". Would you agree that since the majority of people don't use "Common Sense" that it should be named "Uncommon Sense" instead? Please remember, "Common Sense" is what planet side people refer to when they say the star orbits the planet. It is usually an inapt tool when we try to explore complex issues like the one at hand. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
11552
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Posted - 2014.03.27 23:12:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:
-I endure lots of harassment in local via questions about my parentage,my intelligence, my mothers bedroom activities, the size of my manhood, even my own sexual preference... am I also considered a victim? That's situational. Some language violates the EULA and would need to be evaluated on a case by case basis. As such I don't think the community can reliably answer this question.
First off, Thank you for your opinions Tyberius! Im not too worried about the comments that people have made towards me. im pretty thick skinned. It would be childish of me to run to CCP and claim something as EULA/ToS breaking everytime I was called something or had to endure any amount of verbal abuse in local. I understand that the community cant reliably consider me a victim of harassment, and only CCP could evaluate it and make that determination. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
KnowUsByTheDead
Krypteia Operations CODE.
1139
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Posted - 2014.03.27 23:36:00 -
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I feel this is far out of bounds for EvE Online.
Here, we have a loving and united community.
UAE, unfortunately, I feel that you are far outside the EULA and TOS.
You, my good sir, are cyber-bullying entire systems of people.
This is wrong, and for the good of the community, I think you probably should biomass.
Now that I have been civil...
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That is all.
Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
11555
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Posted - 2014.03.27 23:45:00 -
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KnowUsByTheDead wrote:I feel this is far out of bounds for EvE Online.
Here, we have a loving and united community.
UAE, unfortunately, I feel that you are far outside the EULA and TOS.
You, my good sir, are cyber-bullying entire systems of people.
Thank you KnowUs! As ive said before, Im trying to avoid buzzwords like "cyber-bullying" because they tend to lead to emotional responses instead of reasoned and logical ones. I see that you feel my actions are outside of the EULA and ToS, could you explain why? Is it because of all the bad publicity out there already on AFK Cloaking? Or is it because of my reputation in the Eve community? Because id hate for you to base your opinions on one particular viewpoint or my reputation instead of formulating your own views based on research of multiple sources and all the facts. I would encourage you to examine all sides of AFK Cloaking and get back to me on the EULA/ToS thing. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2806
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Posted - 2014.03.27 23:52:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:-Am I within the bounds of "emergent gameplay"? -Are my despicable activities allowed under the Eve Online Tos or EULA in peoples opinions? -Does psychological warfare of this type construe harassment in the eyes of the Eve populace? -If someone is unwilling to undock because of my actions, am I holding them against their will? -If I am affecting the virtual income of others, and ISK can buy PLEX which has real world value, Am I violating any monetary laws in peoples opinion? -I endure lots of harassment in local via questions about my parentage,my intelligence, my mothers bedroom activities, the size of my manhood, even my own sexual preference... am I also considered a victim? -Yes -Yes -No -No -No -No
And technically your character is an AFK cloaker, not you. You just pay the bills.
The real question is, why? Do you actually get anything from it? Games are for entertainment bro. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
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KnowUsByTheDead
Krypteia Operations CODE.
1139
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Posted - 2014.03.27 23:58:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:KnowUsByTheDead wrote:I feel this is far out of bounds for EvE Online.
Here, we have a loving and united community.
UAE, unfortunately, I feel that you are far outside the EULA and TOS.
You, my good sir, are cyber-bullying entire systems of people.
Thank you KnowUs! As ive said before, Im trying to avoid buzzwords like "cyber-bullying" because they tend to lead to emotional responses instead of reasoned and logical ones. I see that you feel my actions are outside of the EULA and ToS, could you explain why? Is it because of all the bad publicity out there already on AFK Cloaking? Or is it because of my reputation in the Eve community? Because id hate for you to base your opinions on one particular viewpoint or my reputation instead of formulating your own views based on research of multiple sources and all the facts. I would encourage you to examine all sides of AFK Cloaking and get back to me on the EULA/ToS thing.
Oh, now that I have researched facts, I can come back to you with a proper answer.
Looks like that search function you always talk about.....comes in handy!!!!!
Of course you are not outside the EULA/TOS.
I just tried afk cloaking a system. It is quite peaceful and relaxing, tbh.
Almost like mining.
So zen-like.
Please forgive my poor composure in my last post, Mr. UAE. Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
11555
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Posted - 2014.03.27 23:58:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:-Am I within the bounds of "emergent gameplay"? -Are my despicable activities allowed under the Eve Online Tos or EULA in peoples opinions? -Does psychological warfare of this type construe harassment in the eyes of the Eve populace? -If someone is unwilling to undock because of my actions, am I holding them against their will? -If I am affecting the virtual income of others, and ISK can buy PLEX which has real world value, Am I violating any monetary laws in peoples opinion? -I endure lots of harassment in local via questions about my parentage,my intelligence, my mothers bedroom activities, the size of my manhood, even my own sexual preference... am I also considered a victim? -Yes -Yes -No -No -No -No And technically your character is an AFK cloaker, not you. You just pay the bills. The real question is, why? Do you actually get anything from it? Games are for entertainment bro.
Thank you Lucas! I find much entertainment from reading the local logs from the little nooblets adventures. Its not all harassment, sometimes its actually clever. I do get paid for my efforts when I do it for ISK, I also get paid at times to go away. But what I get the most from it is knowing that for very little effort, im making the universe a better place by keeping bots in check and teaching the fearful that there is really nothing to fear at all! I might be a bad guy, but im not really a "bad" guy! Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
11555
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Posted - 2014.03.28 00:07:00 -
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KnowUsByTheDead wrote:Oh, now that I have researched facts, I can come back to you with a proper answer. Looks like that search function you always talk about.....comes in handy!!!!! Of course you are not outside the EULA/TOS. I just tried afk cloaking a system. It is quite peaceful and relaxing, tbh. Almost like mining. So zen-like. Please forgive my poor composure in my last post, Mr. UAE.
Thank you KnowUs! Im glad that you have done your due diligence and researched the issue for yourself, and im glad that once you had the facts on the matter, your opinion was changed because it was your own! Doesn't it feel great to be your own person and think for yourself instead of having all that negative AFK Cloaking literature tell you what to think?
Your poor composure is forgiven, it was an emotional response instead of a logical one. Please enjoy AFK Cloaking, and id be interested to hear about your experiences! Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2806
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Posted - 2014.03.28 00:13:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:-Am I within the bounds of "emergent gameplay"? -Are my despicable activities allowed under the Eve Online Tos or EULA in peoples opinions? -Does psychological warfare of this type construe harassment in the eyes of the Eve populace? -If someone is unwilling to undock because of my actions, am I holding them against their will? -If I am affecting the virtual income of others, and ISK can buy PLEX which has real world value, Am I violating any monetary laws in peoples opinion? -I endure lots of harassment in local via questions about my parentage,my intelligence, my mothers bedroom activities, the size of my manhood, even my own sexual preference... am I also considered a victim? -Yes -Yes -No -No -No -No And technically your character is an AFK cloaker, not you. You just pay the bills. The real question is, why? Do you actually get anything from it? Games are for entertainment bro. Thank you Lucas! I find much entertainment from reading the local logs from the little nooblets adventures. Its not all harassment, sometimes its actually clever. I do get paid for my efforts when I do it for ISK, I also get paid at times to go away. But what I get the most from it is knowing that for very little effort, im making the universe a better place by keeping bots in check and teaching the fearful that there is really nothing to fear at all! I might be a bad guy, but im not really a "bad" guy! Cool. One thing I would point out though is that you are more likely to stop actual players than bots. If you read up about them, you'll see that their efficiency is high enough that they can run them even when some things are in local, as by the time they are killed they've made more than enough for replacements. It's players who make a concious choice to stay docked with a single player in local you will be affecting. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
I Riven I
Hedion University Amarr Empire
33
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Posted - 2014.03.28 00:18:00 -
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I think you are mentally abusing me right now.
CCP ban him pls... |
Zenos Ebeth
DEAD JESTERS The Harlequin's
132
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Posted - 2014.03.28 00:20:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:I am an AFK cloaker.
[snip]
You actually play the game ?! Bad posts are not welcome on these forums.-á -CCP Falcon
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
11555
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Posted - 2014.03.28 00:28:00 -
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I Riven I wrote:I think you are mentally abusing me right now.
CCP ban him pls...
I apologize. It was not my intention. Did you have any opinions on any of the questions I have asked? Is it because of my Eve community reputation that you are calling for my ban? Id really like to know, Id hate for you to call for my ban because of an emotional response instead of facts. I can answer any questions for you if it would help you formulate your opinion, there is alot of negative threads on AFK Cloaking, and Id like you to approach it from all angles.
Zenos Ebeth wrote: You actually play the game ?! Shocked
I do! Thank you for asking Elizabeth! I enjoy many facets of Eve, from humble highsec life, to the rough and tumble world of large null sec alliance living. I actually play quite a bit, AFK Cloaking is just one of my professions, beyond my presence on the forums. Would you like to give me your opinion on my questions as well? Im after all opinions on the matter as it effects me greatly. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Jessica Danikov
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
314
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Posted - 2014.03.28 00:40:00 -
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If Sun-Tzu played EVE, he'd love cynos, he'd love cloaky ships, and he'd especially love the two used together in anger.
GÇ£If I determine the enemy's disposition of forces while I have no perceptible form, I can concentrate my forces while the enemy is fragmented. The pinnacle of military deployment approaches the formless: if it is formless, then even the deepest spy cannot discern it nor the wise make plans against it.GÇ¥ |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
11557
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:12:00 -
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Jessica Danikov wrote:If Sun-Tzu played EVE, he'd love cynos, he'd love cloaky ships, and he'd especially love the two used together in anger.
GÇ£If I determine the enemy's disposition of forces while I have no perceptible form, I can concentrate my forces while the enemy is fragmented. The pinnacle of military deployment approaches the formless: if it is formless, then even the deepest spy cannot discern it nor the wise make plans against it.GÇ¥
While im glad that Sun Tzu would approve of my gameplay choices, Im really after the opinions of the playerbase on the morality of my actions in game, especially on the question stated in the op. Id love to know your opinion if youd care to share. All I ask is that you base it not off my reputation, nor on the negative publicity surrounding AFK Cloaking, nor on your feelings alone, but on research and facts. There are a lot of Copy/Paste AFK Cloaking responses, but id rather hear the individual's thoughts, not the mobs! Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
olan2005
Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi
40
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:20:00 -
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Your actions are aimed at avatars in game to disrupt in game activities . Cloak away it's fine . |
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