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Jake Rivers
Senex Legio
207
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:01:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Hello everyone,
For the last few weeks the community has been debating the topic of real life harassment, and its connection to the EVE Universe. The EVE Universe Community Team has been working on this issue for some time now, and has had extensive discussions about it with your elected representatives, the Council of Stellar Management.
EVE is a virtual world whose inhabitants have more freedom to play the villain and experiment with various backhanded tactics than in any other MMO. The freedom to scam and commit piracy, espionage, and extortion are all fundamental to the EVE Online experience, and CCP will never change that. However, it is important to remember that the EVE universe is a virtual world, and behavior of this nature should remain firmly within that virtual world.
While the content of online interactions between players cannot realistically be gated within our game worlds, CCP strongly disapproves of clear and extraordinary levels of real life harassment against our players in the outside world.
CCP, in collaboration with the CSM, have agreed and would like to state in the strongest possible terms and in accordance with our existing Terms of Service and End User License Agreement, that real life harassment is morally reprehensible, and verifiable examples of such behavior will be met with disciplinary action against game accounts in accordance with our Terms of Service.
Harassment poses a potential problem in any virtual world, and CCP has dealt with cases of this nature for more than a decade. We will continue to monitor and evaluate claims of harassment based on our policies and acceptable standards of behavior.
As always, CCP will not discuss specific cases of policy enforcement. However, if you have any questions regarding this statement, please feel free to pose them in this thread, and we will respond to the best of our ability.
- The EVE Universe Community Team
Thanks for the response.
Senex Legio |
Danalee
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
775
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:01:00 -
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You wanted clarity, here's CCP Guard to the rescue!
CCP Guard wrote: In almost all instances similar to what you describe, we would advise you to contact local authorities if you feel threatened or if you feel that laws have been broken. It's not common that events taking place outside the game or our websites result in disciplinary action from us due to obvious reasons, but we do reserve the right to restrict access to your services when we find them to be used for violating the EULA. Players are of course always welcome to contact us and ask for advice or assistance.
/all threads ever.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen and Erotica 1 for CSM!
D.
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Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3186
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:01:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Trebor Daehdoow wrote:I have refrained from public comment on this issue because of all the ongoing CSM/CCP consultations, but now that CCP has issued their statement, I feel it is only appropriate to give my perspective.
Lying, cheating, general douchebaggery and the harvesting of tears are all part of the "sandbox" that is the game of EVE Online.
But that said, all of us have a responsibility to recognize when a fellow player is starting to lose emotional control -- when things stop being a game -- and respond in a humane manner. And deliberately trying to induce and deepen that loss of control is reprehensible conduct that should shock and dismay the vast majority of the community.
So the tl/dr for me is: Feel free be a douchebag inside the sandbox, but if you kick the sand outside of the sandbox, don't be surprised if CCP kicks you out of the sandbox as well.
Stuff like losing your sh*t on comms and bitching out the people in your fleet is not something I would worry about. Nor is making people sing for their ship.
But if you make someone sing for their ship and then sadistically wratchet up the psychological pressure until they are a total wreck, then you're a real-life scumbag, and I won't shed a tear if CCP decides they no longer care to do business with you. Trebor, is freedom of speech inviolate or are you one of those that believes in 'hate speech'? You see, for many of us we see freedoms like free speech and sandbox as absolute. Free speech laws were created to protect impolite speech, not polite speech. You cannot hamper freedom of speech with pansied 'hate speech' laws or equivocations that neuter it, without the cost of infringing on the base freedom itself. Selfsame, who the frack are you to say how Erotica1 should play his game? I say his game, because the bonus round was very much IN GAME. At it's core Sohkar willingly took part in a bonus round on Teamspeak (and hung in there) in the context of EvE meta gameplay, in pursuit of moar EvE assets (or their recovery). That is IN GAME Trebor.He was not negotiating for frequent flyer miles, or losing his blob because he couldn't solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, he lost his blob while metagaming for EvE ISK/assets! In game. Now remember, you said 'douchebaggery in-game 'OK', and 'douchebaggery out-of-game NOT OK', but I insist Sohkar's bonus round was very much in game. tldr; Let's cut to the chase, you don't *like* what Erotica1 did and like all liberal pansies before you who selfsame invented 'hate speech' laws to infringe on freedom of speech laws when your feelings got hurt, you would see the EvE sandbox continue to crumble over time with little nerfs here and there... Well I reject that, I reject you, so will shoot another innocent carebear in the face (in game of course) in your honor. That is MY EvE. +1 added to the Kill-It-Forward queue, and may GOD have mercy on your soul. F
You forever inspire me, sir. Consider me at your service should your quest to kill it forward ever require the aid.
Screw it, I'm just gonna start doing this myself as well. Love the style. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3049
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:01:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Kristalll wrote:I didn't realize "genius" is filtered for some people. I absolutely acknowledge that it is genius that Erotica1 has managed to convince people to not only voluntarily surrender all their assets, but full API. That is an amazing achievement, and I applaud it. But the Bonus Room? Its like its designed by 30yr old virgins at their annual treehouse meeting. Its just.... ********. Why are you so mean?
Oh god. |
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
125
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:01:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Kristalll wrote:I didn't realize "genius" is filtered for some people. I absolutely acknowledge that it is genius that Erotica1 has managed to convince people to not only voluntarily surrender all their assets, but full API. That is an amazing achievement, and I applaud it. But the Bonus Room? Its like its designed by 30yr old virgins at their annual treehouse meeting. Its just.... ********.
Could you explain the specific parts that make it....******** I think is the word you're using?
Just about every bit of it has a goal.
Full Disclosure explanation of the Bonus Room: http://podborn.com/community/psychopaths-guide-to-the-bonus-room |
Salvos Rhoska
846
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:02:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Its like its designed by 30yr old virgins at their annual treehouse meeting. Its just.... ********. You must have much knowledge in this regard.
Yeah, I've known some wizards in my time. The Bonus Room design is pretty much exactly the kind of thing decades of sexual frustration as a man-child results in ------------ |
Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
506
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:03:00 -
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http://imgur.com/XeyywyC
Someone seems to be taking Eve way too serious. |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
16952
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:04:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Mag's wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Its like its designed by 30yr old virgins at their annual treehouse meeting. Its just.... ********. You must have much knowledge in this regard. Yeah, I've known some wizards in my time. The Bonus Room design is pretty much exactly the kind of thing decades of sexual frustration as a man-child results in Have you sought help? Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. Kimmi's Thinking Cosy. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3049
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:04:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Mag's wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Its like its designed by 30yr old virgins at their annual treehouse meeting. Its just.... ********. You must have much knowledge in this regard. Yeah, I've known some wizards in my time. The Bonus Room design is pretty much exactly the kind of thing decades of sexual frustration as a man-child results in So immature...
Oh god. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2113
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:04:00 -
[310] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:My eroticals hurt
No problem as CCP may well have permanently removed them for you. This is not a signature. |
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3049
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:05:00 -
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Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:http://imgur.com/XeyywyC
Someone seems to be taking Eve way too serious. What a lovely sentiment. Thanks Ero.
Oh god. |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3186
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:05:00 -
[312] - Quote
Salvos Rhoska wrote:Mag's wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Its like its designed by 30yr old virgins at their annual treehouse meeting. Its just.... ********. You must have much knowledge in this regard. Yeah, I've known some wizards in my time. The Bonus Room design is pretty much exactly the kind of thing decades of sexual frustration as a man-child results in
The assumption that virginity = sexual frustration. You've never heard of asexuality, have you. A person's sexual activity has nothing to do with the ideas they have and it's really just a swipe to try to make other people feel as bad as you do. It's prescriptive retaliation, nothing more. You've failed at every turn, and every assertion you've made here, Salvos. And now you're trying to make people feel bad for being virgins. Do you have any self respect? You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Anslo
Scope Works
4608
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:06:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Trebor Daehdoow wrote:I have refrained from public comment on this issue because of all the ongoing CSM/CCP consultations, but now that CCP has issued their statement, I feel it is only appropriate to give my perspective.
Lying, cheating, general douchebaggery and the harvesting of tears are all part of the "sandbox" that is the game of EVE Online.
But that said, all of us have a responsibility to recognize when a fellow player is starting to lose emotional control -- when things stop being a game -- and respond in a humane manner. And deliberately trying to induce and deepen that loss of control is reprehensible conduct that should shock and dismay the vast majority of the community.
So the tl/dr for me is: Feel free be a douchebag inside the sandbox, but if you kick the sand outside of the sandbox, don't be surprised if CCP kicks you out of the sandbox as well.
Stuff like losing your sh*t on comms and bitching out the people in your fleet is not something I would worry about. Nor is making people sing for their ship.
But if you make someone sing for their ship and then sadistically wratchet up the psychological pressure until they are a total wreck, then you're a real-life scumbag, and I won't shed a tear if CCP decides they no longer care to do business with you. Trebor, is freedom of speech inviolate or are you one of those that believes in 'hate speech'? You see, for many of us we see freedoms like free speech and sandbox as absolute. Free speech laws were created to protect impolite speech, not polite speech. You cannot hamper freedom of speech with pansied 'hate speech' laws or equivocations that neuter it, without the cost of infringing on the base freedom itself. Selfsame, who the frack are you to say how Erotica1 should play his game? I say his game, because the bonus round was very much IN GAME. At it's core Sohkar willingly took part in a bonus round on Teamspeak (and hung in there) in the context of EvE meta gameplay, in pursuit of moar EvE assets (or their recovery). That is IN GAME Trebor.He was not negotiating for frequent flyer miles, or losing his blob because he couldn't solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, he lost his blob while metagaming for EvE ISK/assets! In game. Now remember, you said 'douchebaggery in-game 'OK', and 'douchebaggery out-of-game NOT OK', but I insist Sohkar's bonus round was very much in game. tldr; Let's cut to the chase, you don't *like* what Erotica1 did and like all liberal pansies before you who selfsame invented 'hate speech' laws to infringe on freedom of speech laws when your feelings got hurt, you would see the EvE sandbox continue to crumble over time with little nerfs here and there... Well I reject that, I reject you, so will shoot another innocent carebear in the face (in game of course) in your honor. That is MY EvE. +1 added to the Kill-It-Forward queue, and may GOD have mercy on your soul. F Not enough edge brah. Try harder.
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Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3189
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:08:00 -
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Anslo wrote: Not enough edge brah. Try harder.
What's an 'edge brah'? Is it one of those new hipster trends? You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Salvos Rhoska
846
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:08:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Do you have any self respect? I have plenty. Thanks!
Are you a wizard? You seem to be taking this very personally.
I think the Bonus Room design is pants-on-head ********. I think its designers are obviously an elite and select group of 30lvl wizards.
Thats my opinion. If you don't like it, too bad! ------------ |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2823
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:08:00 -
[316] - Quote
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:I have refrained from public comment on this issue because of all the ongoing CSM/CCP consultations, but now that CCP has issued their statement, I feel it is only appropriate to give my perspective.
Lying, cheating, general douchebaggery and the harvesting of tears are all part of the "sandbox" that is the game of EVE Online.
But that said, all of us have a responsibility to recognize when a fellow player is starting to lose emotional control -- when things stop being a game -- and respond in a humane manner. And deliberately trying to induce and deepen that loss of control is reprehensible conduct that should shock and dismay the vast majority of the community.
So the tl/dr for me is: Feel free be a douchebag inside the sandbox, but if you kick the sand outside of the sandbox, don't be surprised if CCP kicks you out of the sandbox as well.
Stuff like losing your sh*t on comms and bitching out the people in your fleet is not something I would worry about. Nor is making people sing for their ship.
But if you make someone sing for their ship and then sadistically wratchet up the psychological pressure until they are a total wreck, then you're a real-life scumbag, and I won't shed a tear if CCP decides they no longer care to do business with you. So if this were to be followed, how would CCP enforce such a ruling? We're not just talking about sand being kicked out of the sandbox, we are also talking about sand that is already out of the sandbox. So if I send CCP an audio log of me being harassed and claimed it was another player, how would that be proven or disproved? If I were to send one in now, and state that you had met me on a comms channel and had hurled abuse at me and provided an audio recording of a voice claiming to be you harassing me, how would they deal with it?
It's easy to have such a clear cut response to such a strong and clearly defined case, but how would you deal with situations where there perpetrator isn't claiming responsibility openly?
And where does it end? What is the limit? People have different levels of tolerance and different methods of response. If you are bumping a freighter and the pilot claims to be distressed and loses emotional control, should you stop? If you are trashing someone on TS and they don;t sound particularly like they are upset, should you assume they are fine when they could be devastated?
Plus, what media does it cover, and how far from the game can we go? If I'm on twitter having a jab at another EVE player, do I have to watch myself? If I'm on a blog and I insult someone am I going to be punished for that? The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Biomecca
The New Eden School of trade xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
2
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:09:00 -
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I thought the sohkar recording was the most entertaining thing I've heard in years of gaming. Wouldn't mind seeing more of that. |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
16954
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:09:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Anslo wrote: Not enough edge brah. Try harder.
What's an 'edge brah'? Is it one of those new hipster trends? It goes around your property and stops your hedges from over growing. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. Kimmi's Thinking Cosy. |
Danalee
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
777
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:09:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:My eroticals hurt No problem as CCP may well have permanently removed them for you.
Haha;
CCP Guard wrote: In almost all instances similar to what you describe, we would advise you to contact local authorities if you feel threatened or if you feel that laws have been broken. It's not common that events taking place outside the game or our websites result in disciplinary action from us due to obvious reasons, but we do reserve the right to restrict access to your services when we find them to be used for violating the EULA. Players are of course always welcome to contact us and ask for advice or assistance.
With that ladies and gentle people, CCP Guard hammers the final nail in the shoddy coffin of the pitchfork wielding haters. You can all continue immitating a lawyer, CCP dev, CSM that has his head screwed on the right way or member of the United Nations or whatever but I have only one thing to say to you, listen carefully:
NEENER. NEENER. NEENER. HTFU.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen and Erotica 1 for CSM!
http://podborn.com/community/psychopaths-guide-to-the-bonus-room
D.
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Big Lynx
The Gun Runners Space Warriors
322
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:11:00 -
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Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:http://imgur.com/XeyywyC
Someone seems to be taking Eve way too serious.
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Kirsi Kirjasto
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
55
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:11:00 -
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The real problem is that CCP is concerning itself with someone merely "getting upset."
Because that is all that happens to bonus room participants. They loose their stuff and then they are pushed to 'get upset'.
'Sensitive' San-Francisco-type people like Ripard and CCP Falcon clearly don't like that, obvious from the codewords and language they use.
But really it shouldn't be something that CCP should even remotely consider a ban over.
As far as the threadnaught goes - easy to allow a forum 'shitstorm'. Just another foodfight between carebears and gankers allowed, in this case, to run wild by the DEVs, in spite of forum rules.
Carebears (and some 'real PVPers') don't like gankers because it is non-consensual and the victims often get mad. Which is why these usual suspects especially do not like Erotica 1 - because he is clearly pushing people to 'get upset'.
Upset people might quit EVE, so its seems CCP is stepping in on their behalf.
Pretty sad theme park mentality, another nail in the coffin of a truly Darwinian EVE. |
Anslo
Scope Works
4608
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:12:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Anslo wrote: Not enough edge brah. Try harder.
What's an 'edge brah'? Is it one of those new hipster trends? Come back to Bleak Lands and i'll tell you. Haven't seen you since you ran from system as soon as I showed up in local.
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Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon
1025
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:13:00 -
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Easiest way to prevent real life harassment: Don't be a corp thief, don't AWOX.
Not saying you shouldn't do those ever, but if they know any of your info someone might get ideas. (i've heard people joke around about sending this guy that stole stuff from one of my old corps hatemail/weird stuff in the mail, or possibly flame him on facebook) |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
4550
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:15:00 -
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Ever notice how slow a thread moves when all leave but few mewling hangers-on that turn it into a circle jerk?
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
16956
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:16:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Ever notice how slow a thread moves when all leave but few mewling hangers-on that turn it into a circle jerk? Mr Epeen Yea, but as you are still here........ Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. Kimmi's Thinking Cosy. |
Big Lynx
The Gun Runners Space Warriors
323
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:16:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Ever notice how slow a thread moves when all leave but few mewling hangers-on that turn it into a circle jerk? Mr Epeen
Most of them must have been trolls and alts of Ero |
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
125
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:16:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Do you have any self respect? I have plenty. Thanks! Are you a wizard? You seem to be taking this very personally. I think the Bonus Room design is pants-on-head ********. I think its designers are obviously an elite and select group of 30lvl wizards. Thats my opinion. If you don't like it, too bad!
Level 40 Rogue actually.
Is there a part of the Bonus Room you would change to improve it? |
embrel
BamBam Inc.
168
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:16:00 -
[328] - Quote
Kirsi Kirjasto wrote: Pretty sad theme park mentality, another nail in the coffin of a truly Darwinian EVE.
as long as there are clones, I fail to see how Eve can be truly Darwinian. |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
246
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:18:00 -
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Cedric deBouilard wrote:so... did Erotica 1 got banned or not?
I couldn't get anything from out of CCP corporate-speech
Just add him to your watch list and see if he stops logging in. |
Salvos Rhoska
846
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:19:00 -
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Kristalll wrote:Is there a part of the Bonus Room you would change to improve it? Hire me as a consultant and I'll plug all the loopholes, add some style and ensure there is never again any cause for concern about possible CCP intervention. ------------ |
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