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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2113
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:38:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Man, I remember way back when, people would volunteer to sing to get out of a gank. "No ISK sing instead" was said in many local. Me, I demanded "Barbie Girl", that was my go-to for karaoke to save your ship.
Now it's all with the cyberbully and the torture and the bonus rooms and the doublesuperharassment....
Someone bring me mah walker and a glass of iced tea, I'm goin to the farmer's market.
Well I would be screwed if I met you ingame as I have never heard of the song, Barbie Girl This is not a signature. |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
812
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:38:00 -
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I guess If I have a question for CCP.
Where exactly is the line? |
Salvos Rhoska
848
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:40:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Where exactly is the line?
Right here:
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Toshiro Ozuwara
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
510
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:41:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:It also means the author of the blog that started this whole mess going could also be banned for harassment, considering that no one's permission was asked and even the "victim" suffered because if it. This is ridiculous, and you should feel ridiculous for posting it. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2826
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:42:00 -
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Kristalll wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Well at least it's clear now. If anyone does anything you don't like in game, post a ticket with tears, tell them you are feeling upset and demand the other party be instantly banned. If they aren't going to draw lines, and are going to arbitrarily ban people, then we shouldn't assume line ans should report any time something happens in game that we dislike, right? We don't want to assume that it was all find and then later realise it was harassment all along. This very may well devolve into a new FLOOD of petitions linking all kinds of things. FC's freak out in comms and a spy will send it to CCP and say "Shadoo was berating this young FC in comms in front of everyone! The young FC had to just take it or risk being kicked out of the corp!" At least in THAT case Shadoo did something mean. I plan to report any time I feel like someone might be upset by a situation I'm in. It seems only fair. I shouldn't be punished for having thicker skin than some random pleb, so I think some random would be upset by a situation I'm in I'll be reporting it as an upsetting situation.
The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Toshiro Ozuwara
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
510
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:44:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:I plan to report any time I feel like someone might be upset by a situation I'm in. It seems only fair. That's a really mature response to the situation.
They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
4551
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:45:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:I guess If I have a question for CCP.
Where exactly is the line?
The line is where they decide to draw it.
Their game. Their rules.
Remember how cranky all the noob gankers got when CCP refused to state a specific line? They are being smart here. If they declare a line, then some psychopath will figure out how to weasel around it.
CCP is making the right call.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
129
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:45:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Kristalll wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Well at least it's clear now. If anyone does anything you don't like in game, post a ticket with tears, tell them you are feeling upset and demand the other party be instantly banned. If they aren't going to draw lines, and are going to arbitrarily ban people, then we shouldn't assume line ans should report any time something happens in game that we dislike, right? We don't want to assume that it was all find and then later realise it was harassment all along. This very may well devolve into a new FLOOD of petitions linking all kinds of things. FC's freak out in comms and a spy will send it to CCP and say "Shadoo was berating this young FC in comms in front of everyone! The young FC had to just take it or risk being kicked out of the corp!" At least in THAT case Shadoo did something mean. I plan to report any time I feel like someone might be upset by a situation I'm in. It seems only fair. I shouldn't be punished for having thicker skin than some random pleb, so I think some random would be upset by a situation I'm in I'll be reporting it as an upsetting situation.
In fact, we should also go out and report other peoples situations that might make them upset that we weren't even in, and without asking the victim if they have a problem.
Clearly that's what CCP is asking us to do. |
Kinis Deren
House Of Serenity. Disband.
368
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:46:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Kristalll wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Well at least it's clear now. If anyone does anything you don't like in game, post a ticket with tears, tell them you are feeling upset and demand the other party be instantly banned. If they aren't going to draw lines, and are going to arbitrarily ban people, then we shouldn't assume line ans should report any time something happens in game that we dislike, right? We don't want to assume that it was all find and then later realise it was harassment all along. This very may well devolve into a new FLOOD of petitions linking all kinds of things. FC's freak out in comms and a spy will send it to CCP and say "Shadoo was berating this young FC in comms in front of everyone! The young FC had to just take it or risk being kicked out of the corp!" At least in THAT case Shadoo did something mean. I plan to report any time I feel like someone might be upset by a situation I'm in. It seems only fair. I shouldn't be punished for having thicker skin than some random pleb, so I think some random would be upset by a situation I'm in I'll be reporting it as an upsetting situation.
LOL, good luck with that. Oh, don't forget, please let us know how you get on with spamming the petition system. |
Big Lynx
The Gun Runners Space Warriors
325
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:46:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:I plan to report any time I feel like someone might be upset by a situation I'm in. It seems only fair.
You have completely epicly misunderstood the whole situation. plz biomass yourself now. |
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Kristalll
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
132
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:46:00 -
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Also, some posts are getting deleted. Just a heads up. |
Helena Russell Makanen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
205
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:46:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: I have yet to see Erotica1 tell us he'd have a good laugh and someone being assaulted. He is a sadistic sociopath, of course he would. That's an assumption based on an presumed but not demonstrable premise.
Incorrect.
"If a miner needs to go to the bathroom, for instance, I ask that they dock up first, or at the very least ask the Supreme Protector for permission to go."-á --á James 315 - aka - the miner bumper |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3057
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:46:00 -
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The line is in the same place it has always been. Don't threaten to harm people in real life, no hate speech and no encouraging people to kill themselves. That pretty much covers it, I think. Oh god. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3057
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:47:00 -
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Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: I have yet to see Erotica1 tell us he'd have a good laugh and someone being assaulted. He is a sadistic sociopath, of course he would. That's an assumption based on an presumed but not demonstrable premise. Incorrect. Is this the part where you lie about having a degree in psychology? Oh god. |
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
132
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:48:00 -
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Big Lynx wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:I plan to report any time I feel like someone might be upset by a situation I'm in. It seems only fair. You have completely epicly misunderstood the whole situation. plz biomass yourself now.
For a FULL DISCLOSURE on the Bonus Room and how it works, please visit: http://podborn.com/community/psychopaths-guide-to-the-bonus-room |
Toshiro Ozuwara
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
515
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:50:00 -
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Kristalll wrote:In fact, we should also go out and report other peoples situations that might make them upset that we weren't even in, and without asking the victim if they have a problem.
Clearly that's what CCP is asking us to do. Yes, tell us more about your passive aggressive plan to send more petitions and flood CCP with support queries to teach them a lesson. It's a great plan, one I am sure you gankers will follow through on, and one that CCP will roll over for, rather than blacklist the people flooding the petition system and silently ignore or autorespond to all of their reports.
So, good luck with that. I mean, teaching CCP a lesson. Sounds like a productive use of your time. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
247
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:51:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:fudface wrote:Kirsi Kirjasto wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Thanks CCP and I hope you never do take the sand box out of the game. I'm waiting for Erotica 1 to post before I assume this. from what i saw of that imgur link that was posted he cant log in. +1 CCP looks like there is a limit to what you can get away with. Accounts are always suspended when they're under investigation so gg Ripar Teg for using your position to prevent another player from being able to play eve. I think there's something in the EULA about that too.
His being a member of the CSM is a tangential issue. EVERY player is allowed to comment on the goings on of EvE. He didn't abuse any CSM authority in making a blog post about what he thought was reprehensible. Any one of us could have done the exact same thing
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Toshiro Ozuwara
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
515
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:53:00 -
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Kristalll wrote:Also, some posts are getting deleted. Just a heads up. I don't say this often enough, but CCP is doing a fantastic job in this thread and the last. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2830
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:53:00 -
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Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:I plan to report any time I feel like someone might be upset by a situation I'm in. It seems only fair. That's a really mature response to the situation. Since you're in Spacemonkeys and thus a frequent target for getting ownzoned, you are going to be sending a lot of petitions. I feel this is an attack on my in game choice of alliance, and feel harassed by your words.
And it's a better response than "We banned that person because people complained, even though the "victim" quite clearly stated it was a non-issue, and yet out ruling on the matter will be murky at beast as we don't want to commit to an actual decision". Either people should have to HTFU like their little video says, or we should be able to play in compete peace and harmony. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3057
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:55:00 -
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Shizuken wrote:His being a member of the CSM is a tangential issue. EVERY player is allowed to comment on the goings on of EvE. He didn't abuse any CSM authority in making a blog post about what he thought was reprehensible. Any one of us could have done the exact same thing
Who said anything about his position on the CSM? I was referring mainly to his blog and his influence over other players, though for a CSM member to be involved in such a spiteful personal campaign to try to get votes is just creepy.
Oh god. |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10391
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:56:00 -
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tasman devil wrote:Sohkar - who -although enraged beyond measure at that point- posted life threats on the voice chat
So what now? To punish them both (Ero1 - life ban, Soh - 30 days ban) would be a hard but justifiable course of action.
"he was drunkangry so its okay" Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
One Eyed Runner
Caldari Naval Auxiliary Services
24
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:56:00 -
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#6086 Posted: 2014.03.27 19:18 | Report | ON THE THREADNAUGHT
hmmm ok I have been "Associated" with the government my whole career. I see this as having CCP come out Monday/Tuesday next week and saying we are going to ban Sokhar & Erotica 1 and take all assets off of them. Of course that will be after Sokhar quits and after Erotica 1 quits and gets rid of all his assets. Then they(CCP) will say rules wont change, but we will look at it on a case by case ticket.
just my .02 iskCool
THINK I CALLED IT PERFECTLY EXCEPT FOR WHEN IT WOULD HAPPEN (caps stuck very sorry) I live in Jita so f*ck off |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2834
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:57:00 -
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Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Kristalll wrote:In fact, we should also go out and report other peoples situations that might make them upset that we weren't even in, and without asking the victim if they have a problem.
Clearly that's what CCP is asking us to do. Yes, tell us more about your passive aggressive plan to send more petitions and flood CCP with support queries to teach them a lesson. It's a great plan, one I am sure you and like minded individuals will follow through on, and one that CCP will roll over for, rather than blacklist the people flooding the petition system and silently ignore or autorespond to all of their reports. So, good luck with that. I mean, teaching CCP a lesson. Sounds like a productive use of your time. I think you misunderstand. It's not to "teach them a lesson". It's because there are no lines drawn and arbitrarily chosen decisions. If that's the case, we might be allowing ourselves to be harassed according to the standards of the public, and we don't want to allow harassment to continue just because we have thicker skin. WE shouldn't be punished for learning to HTFU like CCP previously told us.
Now CCP have always said that if in doubt we should petition and get a clear answer. This thread ensures that we will almost always be in doubt as to whether a situation would be deemed by the public to be harassment. As such, we should follow CCPs explicit instructions to petition each situation we feel like someone may be getting upset and are in doubt.
Edit: I apologise in advance if my words above sounded quite hard edged and encourage you to decide if you feel harassed and petition the matter if you do. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Salvos Rhoska
848
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:57:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:I feel this is an attack on my in game choice of alliance, and feel harassed by your words. Go ahead. File a ticket. File 100. See what happens.
Nothing in the CCP statement in OP supports your conclusions and implications even one inch.
Or. HTFU, and continue playing, as usual. ------------ |
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
136
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:58:00 -
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Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Kristalll wrote:In fact, we should also go out and report other peoples situations that might make them upset that we weren't even in, and without asking the victim if they have a problem.
Clearly that's what CCP is asking us to do. Yes, tell us more about your passive aggressive plan to send more petitions and flood CCP with support queries to teach them a lesson. It's a great plan, one I am sure you and like minded individuals will follow through on, and one that CCP will roll over for, rather than blacklist the people flooding the petition system and silently ignore or autorespond to all of their reports. So, good luck with that. I mean, teaching CCP a lesson. Sounds like a productive use of your time.
It wouldn't be about teaching CCP a lesson. It would be about cleaning up EVE and helping CCP do it.
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Kristalll
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
136
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:59:00 -
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Shizuken wrote:Riot Girl wrote:fudface wrote:Kirsi Kirjasto wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Thanks CCP and I hope you never do take the sand box out of the game. I'm waiting for Erotica 1 to post before I assume this. from what i saw of that imgur link that was posted he cant log in. +1 CCP looks like there is a limit to what you can get away with. Accounts are always suspended when they're under investigation so gg Ripar Teg for using your position to prevent another player from being able to play eve. I think there's something in the EULA about that too. His being a member of the CSM is a tangential issue. EVERY player is allowed to comment on the goings on of EvE. He didn't abuse any CSM authority in making a blog post about what he thought was reprehensible. Any one of us could have done the exact same thing
Except being on the CSM means he has been selected by the PLAYERS to represent them and accepted by CCP to help represent CCP to the Public. |
Kinis Deren
House Of Serenity. Disband.
370
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:02:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:The line is in the same place it has always been. Don't threaten to harm people in real life, no hate speech and no encouraging people to kill themselves. That pretty much covers it, I think.
Oh, I'd say it goes a little bit further than that to be honest .....
CCP Falcon wrote: ..... The freedom to scam and commit piracy, espionage, and extortion are all fundamental to the EVE Online experience, and CCP will never change that. However, it is important to remember that the EVE universe is a virtual world, and behavior of this nature should remain firmly within that virtual world .....
(my highlighting) and ...
CCP Guard wrote: ... The EULA has always affected external content to a degree, when that content is shared using our systems. For example when you post a link that contains inappropriate content, even though that content is hosted somewhere outside EVE Online, there's always been potential for disciplinary action ....
If your gaming or real life antics are such that you typically fly as close to the line of decency as possible, then I'd say you better give greater consideration to your actions in future. Thankfully, for the vast majority of our community, this won't be an issue. The take away message is: don't be that bad apple.
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Toshiro Ozuwara
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
515
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:05:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:I plan to report any time I feel like someone might be upset by a situation I'm in. It seems only fair. That's a really mature response to the situation. Since you're in Spacemonkeys and thus a frequent target for getting ownzoned, you are going to be sending a lot of petitions. I feel this is an attack on my in game choice of alliance, and feel harassed by your words. Then you should definitely do something about it. Like get in a better alliance, or make Spacemonkeys not terrible at everything.
Lucas Kell wrote:And it's a better response than "We banned that person because people complained, even though the "victim" quite clearly stated it was a non-issue, and yet out ruling on the matter will be murky at beast as we don't want to commit to an actual decision". Either people should have to HTFU like their little video says, or we should be able to play in compete peace and harmony. All I see is a trail of tears friend. A trail of sweet, delicious tears.
They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
136
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:05:00 -
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Kinis Deren wrote: If your gaming or real life antics are such that you typically fly as close to the line of decency as possible, then I'd say you better give greater consideration to your actions in future. Thankfully, for the vast majority of our community, this won't be an issue. The take away message is: don't be that bad apple.
Define: "Decency" in this context. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10393
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:06:00 -
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Also what's with everyone here believing that they're entitled to know how CCP deals with cases? Twitter: @EVEAndski
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