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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:34:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Darkopus wrote:I don' thave time for sociopaths that attempt to hide behind the veil of a game when getting kicks out of publicly humiliating people for their own masturbatory pleasure. It would appear that CCP thinks the same which is why that deranged fool has been ejected from the game. And that is perfectly fine. But if CCP are going to use their digression to decide if we are sociopath scum or not, it would be nice to know where they draw that line, since it's clear from these threads that the communities definition is incredibly broad. I don't want to see a situation when a player is banned for something that another player is fine to do, and I don't want to see one victim ignored where and identical victim is helped. Perhaps you would be kind enough to provide CCP with a set of guidelines - rules which will cover all possible circumstances. I look forward to you being unable to provide one Sure. Here's 2 possibles: 1 - Taking a scam out onto voice comms is against the rules. The end.
2 - Anything done on voice comms or on any 3rd party media is in no way covered by the EVE ToS or EULA. If you feel you have been harassed use the legal support systems available as you would in any other circumstance.
Personally, 2 would make the most sense, since it's the way most things work. If you hate someone on Facebook and you harass them on twitter, Facebook don't take action against you.
Edit: And note: it's not that it has to 100% cover every nuance of a situation. It just has to cover more than generically saying "don;t harass people", as that's a subjective measure. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Sturmwolke
535
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:35:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:olan2005 wrote:Read and comprehend Keyword reprehensible as unacceptable . Racism is never ok. I said he should recieve some punishment , but the CIRCUMSTANCES shuld be taken into account. To the best of my knowledge he has never spouted racist crap all over the internet , and made it public . His racist rant, deathreats etc was not intentional . It was a emotional spur of the moment reaction to which he apoligised . When your emotions run high you have never said anything you later regret. Unlike Erotica1 this was not premeditated , and planned out. That fact should be taken into account . I'd say that if he didn't intentionally spout racism, that's just as bad that he did, if not worse, since that means that when put under pressure his instinct is to resort to racism. And sure, I've said things I regret under emotional stress. I've never and will never hurl racists abuse because of it though. My apologies, I wasn't going to interject, but this tickles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ux3oiWELIQ
.... please carry on.
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GrowlingMadScientist
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:40:00 -
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Oh the delicious sociopath tears in this thread.
Voice communication has opened up new doors of personal interaction between players in the last decade and personal, emotional abuse by 'empathically challenged' people is something that should not be tolerated anywhere and especially not in and around this game.
Erotica 1 and his friends should have stuck to smearing their names with ***** on each other, for all I care. But what happened in this particular instance of the bonus round was just wrong.
I am glad that Malcanis was finally convinced of this. Even if his opinion alone wouldn't have an effect on the CSM's or CCP's judgment, I was a bit worried having someone condoning this behavior in the CSM. I do not play much, but I have observed this game for over 10 years now, so I do care a little. |
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
3240
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:41:00 -
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Falcon locked a thread of mine that he claimed was ranting and a 'quitting' thread. While it's true I am leaving, the purpose of the thread was to highlight CCP's inconsistencies in player moderation. Falcon could have locked it for any number of reasons, but the main one he chose, ranting, indicates to me that CCP are unhappy about their player base being informed of this inconsistency. Which essentially amounts to censorship, but it technically isn't until they remove the link in the locked thread. In any case, here it is again:
http://remielpollardlives.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/temporary-close.html You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
3240
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:43:00 -
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GrowlingMadScientist wrote:Oh the delicious sociopath tears in this thread.
I see you enjoy tears. Welcome, fellow sociopath. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2923
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:43:00 -
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Darkopus wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Darkopus wrote:I don' thave time for sociopaths that attempt to hide behind the veil of a game when getting kicks out of publicly humiliating people for their own masturbatory pleasure. It would appear that CCP thinks the same which is why that deranged fool has been ejected from the game. And that is perfectly fine. But if CCP are going to use their digression to decide if we are sociopath scum or not, it would be nice to know where they draw that line, since it's clear from these threads that the communities definition is incredibly broad. I don't want to see a situation when a player is banned for something that another player is fine to do, and I don't want to see one victim ignored where and identical victim is helped. CCP guard et al have already told you. Falcon highlighted the existing rules and Guard added that if you feel threatened IRL then go to the law. What you are all asking for now is for more clearly, set in stone guidelines which will never happen because this then opens the gates for people to do deranged acts not expressly forbidden by these new rules and say "it wasn't illegal" leading to more restrictions, more shitpost and taking away a little bit more of the EVE we know. But it's NOT the existing rules, is it? This happened moths ago and was seen by CCP devs who commented then. And it was fine. Now that a CSM member has had a personal witch hunt and a bunch of the community has joined it, probably without even hearing the recording, action has been taken. That's not the existing rules, that's a new precedent. I just want to know where that precedent has been set. Will people get banned for asking for a song if the person who sings it decides he was upset after singing it? And does the failure to hold to a ransom agreement after getting a song change the circumstance?
It's a pretty simple concept, but you guys are so sure that there's an ulterior motive to it you won't even hear it out.
As for taking a way a piece of EVE, I'd say that randomly enforcing one rule while ignoring another at the whim of a CSM member and public pressure for an event that happened months ago while similar event have happened for years is a hell of a lot more damaging than a simple statement to explain roughly where the line will be drawn by the GMs. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Salvos Rhoska
886
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:45:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Falcon locked a thread of mine that he claimed was ranting and a 'quitting' thread. While it's true I am leaving, the purpose of the thread was to highlight CCP's inconsistencies in player moderation. Falcon could have locked it for any number of reasons, but the main one he chose, ranting, indicates to me that CCP are unhappy about their player base being informed of this inconsistency. Is it ranting to put them in the spotlight when they have done such? Which essentially amounts to censorship, but it technically isn't until they remove the link in the locked thread.
Disputing Dev actions is against forum rules.
He gave you three valid reasons, among which that your thread got locked because "I'm Leaving" threads belong in OPE.
Keep digging yourself deeper. ------------ |
Ryann Padecain
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:46:00 -
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Last night I was ransomed and was asked to go on Teamspeak to sing a song, I felt publicly humiliated and have cried for hours and hours. I would like a response from CCP to see what I could do in these circumstances, they have the recordings and are threatening me to release them to the EVE public, is this bannable? |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2927
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:47:00 -
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GrowlingMadScientist wrote:Oh the delicious sociopath tears in this thread. Good job buddy! Feel better? Print out the post and your mum can stick it on the fridge.
GrowlingMadScientist wrote:But what happened in this particular instance of the bonus round was just wrong. You are correct, it was indeed wrong. Sohkar hurling racist abuse was very very wrong.
The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2927
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:48:00 -
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Ryann Padecain wrote:Last night I was ransomed and was asked to go on Teamspeak to sing a song, I felt publicly humiliated and have cried for hours and hours, who do I talk to to get these guys banned? You need to file a petition. If you want faster action, speak to Ripard Teg, and he can start up a personal hate campaign against the perpetrators. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
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Klyith
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
92
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:49:00 -
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Ryann Padecain wrote:Last night I was ransomed and was asked to go on Teamspeak to sing a song, I felt publicly humiliated and have cried for hours and hours, who do I talk to to get these guys banned? massively.joystiq.com |
Salvos Rhoska
886
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:50:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:he can start up a personal hate campaign against the perpetrators. Funny, I thought that was your department, as evidenced by you and associated cronies "trying" (and failing) to mount a personal hate campaign against Ripard Teg. ------------ |
Ryann Padecain
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:51:00 -
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I have already sent an email out to majority of gaming sites interested in EVE, as from today I realise this could be bannable and disgusting behaviour that is not promoted by CCP in any way shape or form. I have petitioned it but do not wish to speak to GM's since they come back with "we do not get involved with 3rd party" and CCP have said they will try and answer questions here, I would like a response. |
Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
520
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:53:00 -
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Ryann Padecain wrote:Last night I was ransomed and was asked to go on Teamspeak to sing a song, I felt publicly humiliated and have cried for hours and hours. I would like a response from CCP to see what I could do in these circumstances, they have the recordings and are threatening me to release them to the EVE public, is this bannable?
You need to file a petition with CCP. Crying in this thread just makes you look like a idiot. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1351
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:54:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Plug in Baby wrote:Klyith wrote:Sohkar has not been banned, at least not of last night when he was on Eve Radio having a discussion with Erotica1 and others.. Sohkar can't be banned as per CCP policy Quote:We are not able to take anything from any third parties as evidences to accuse any players. Seems pretty clear cut to me, anything you do on the Eve sever is banable, anything outside is not. Not really sure what all the fuss is about, unless CCP are being inconsistent with their policies and I can't imagine they would ever do that now would they? If this is true then Erotica shouldn't be banned either. We don't know for what reason and based on what evidence Erotica was banned. |
Ryann Padecain
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:56:00 -
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Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:Ryann Padecain wrote:Last night I was ransomed and was asked to go on Teamspeak to sing a song, I felt publicly humiliated and have cried for hours and hours. I would like a response from CCP to see what I could do in these circumstances, they have the recordings and are threatening me to release them to the EVE public, is this bannable? You need to file a petition with CCP. Crying in this thread just makes you look like a idiot. Sorry but I will look more of an idiot when the recordings are released, GM's have already told me that they do not get involved with 3rd party as it did not happen on EVE servers. CCP seems to think different and I would like to hear a response from them as they said they will answer questions as best as they possibly can, is that too much to ask?
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Danalee
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
797
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:59:00 -
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Ryann Padecain wrote:Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:Ryann Padecain wrote:Last night I was ransomed and was asked to go on Teamspeak to sing a song, I felt publicly humiliated and have cried for hours and hours. I would like a response from CCP to see what I could do in these circumstances, they have the recordings and are threatening me to release them to the EVE public, is this bannable? You need to file a petition with CCP. Crying in this thread just makes you look like a idiot. Sorry but I will look more of an idiot when the recordings are released, GM's have already told me that they do not get involved with 3rd party as it did not happen on EVE servers. CCP seems to think different and I would like to hear a response from them as they said they will answer questions as best as they possibly can, is that too much to ask?
Proof this fellow speaks the truth.
Wah?!
Oh, and hi guys
D.
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1764
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:01:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:he can start up a personal hate campaign against the perpetrators. Funny, I thought that was your department, as evidenced by you and associated cronies "trying" (and failing) to mount a personal hate campaign against Ripard Teg.
Nonsense, we're all looking forward to World of Spacecraft. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
olan2005
Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi
65
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:02:00 -
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3rd party being keyword. It was erotica1 himself who published the evidence to damn him , jester put that evidence in his blog, put erotica1 posted and recorded the ts himself. making it 1st party evidence |
Danalee
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
797
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:03:00 -
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olan2005 wrote:3rd party being keyword. It was erotica1 himself who published the evidence to damn him , jester put that evidence in his blog, put erotica1 posted and recorded the ts himself. making it 1st party evidence
Wait what?! Erotica = EVE ONLINE, The game?
What trickery is this? Are we all in the matrix or something?
D.
Edit: 3rd party = Teamspeak, facebook, blogs, etc... |
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Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
521
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:03:00 -
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Ryann Padecain wrote:Sorry but I will look more of an idiot when the recordings are released, GM's have already told me that they do not get involved with 3rd party as it did not happen on EVE servers. CCP seems to think different and I would like to hear a response from them as they said they will answer questions as best as they possibly can, is that too much to ask?
Where is this recording located? Where is a blogpost where you get ridiculed? Oh, nowhere? Well, then you can **** off, you lying liar who lies.
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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
3243
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:03:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Falcon locked a thread of mine that he claimed was ranting and a 'quitting' thread. While it's true I am leaving, the purpose of the thread was to highlight CCP's inconsistencies in player moderation. Falcon could have locked it for any number of reasons, but the main one he chose, ranting, indicates to me that CCP are unhappy about their player base being informed of this inconsistency. Is it ranting to put them in the spotlight when they have done such? Which essentially amounts to censorship, but it technically isn't until they remove the link in the locked thread. Disputing Dev actions is against forum rules. He gave you three valid reasons, among which that your thread got locked because "I'm Leaving" threads belong in OPE. Keep digging yourself deeper.
Digging? Dude, I unsubbed. There's nothing they can do that I haven't done to myself. The reasons were not valid, any fool can see, they're just trying to save face. I actually like Falcon, but credit where credit is due. Same where it's not. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Anslo
Scope Works
4614
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:05:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Falcon locked a thread of mine that he claimed was ranting and a 'quitting' thread. While it's true I am leaving, the purpose of the thread was to highlight CCP's inconsistencies in player moderation. Falcon could have locked it for any number of reasons, but the main one he chose, ranting, indicates to me that CCP are unhappy about their player base being informed of this inconsistency. Is it ranting to put them in the spotlight when they have done such? Which essentially amounts to censorship, but it technically isn't until they remove the link in the locked thread. Disputing Dev actions is against forum rules. He gave you three valid reasons, among which that your thread got locked because "I'm Leaving" threads belong in OPE. Keep digging yourself deeper. Digging? Dude, I unsubbed. There's nothing they can do that I haven't done to myself. The reasons were not valid, any fool can see, they're just trying to save face. I actually like Falcon, but credit where credit is due. Same where it's not.
Yeah I dislike Pollard but he has a point. Someone dox'd the guy. Like, what the ****? What the actual ****? Do they operate in lowsec?
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Ryann Padecain
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:06:00 -
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Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:Ryann Padecain wrote:Sorry but I will look more of an idiot when the recordings are released, GM's have already told me that they do not get involved with 3rd party as it did not happen on EVE servers. CCP seems to think different and I would like to hear a response from them as they said they will answer questions as best as they possibly can, is that too much to ask? Where is this recording located? Where is a blogpost where you get ridiculed? Oh, nowhere? Well, then you can **** off, you lying liar who lies. Calm down? I am genuinely wanting a response from CCP on this matter, if it is the case that only it is a bannable offense after the recordings are published.. the damage is already done and I will already be publicly humiliated, it would be strange if CCP would not want to prevent cyber bullying on this matter. |
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
3245
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:06:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Falcon locked a thread of mine that he claimed was ranting and a 'quitting' thread. While it's true I am leaving, the purpose of the thread was to highlight CCP's inconsistencies in player moderation. Falcon could have locked it for any number of reasons, but the main one he chose, ranting, indicates to me that CCP are unhappy about their player base being informed of this inconsistency. Is it ranting to put them in the spotlight when they have done such? Which essentially amounts to censorship, but it technically isn't until they remove the link in the locked thread. Disputing Dev actions is against forum rules. He gave you three valid reasons, among which that your thread got locked because "I'm Leaving" threads belong in OPE. Keep digging yourself deeper. Digging? Dude, I unsubbed. There's nothing they can do that I haven't done to myself. The reasons were not valid, any fool can see, they're just trying to save face. I actually like Falcon, but credit where credit is due. Same where it's not. Yeah I dislike Pollard but he has a point. Someone dox'd the guy. Like, what the ****? What the actual ****? Do they operate in lowsec?
I provided the names of the specific toons owned by the person that doxed me on my blog post at http://remielpollardlives.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/temporary-close.html
When our wardec against them had ended, they were operating in Gallente highsec around Cistuvaert somewhere.
Have at it, Hoss. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Salvos Rhoska
887
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:07:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Falcon locked a thread of mine that he claimed was ranting and a 'quitting' thread. While it's true I am leaving, the purpose of the thread was to highlight CCP's inconsistencies in player moderation. Falcon could have locked it for any number of reasons, but the main one he chose, ranting, indicates to me that CCP are unhappy about their player base being informed of this inconsistency. Is it ranting to put them in the spotlight when they have done such? Which essentially amounts to censorship, but it technically isn't until they remove the link in the locked thread. Disputing Dev actions is against forum rules. He gave you three valid reasons, among which that your thread got locked because "I'm Leaving" threads belong in OPE. Keep digging yourself deeper. Digging? Dude, I unsubbed. There's nothing they can do that I haven't done to myself. The reasons were not valid, any fool can see, they're just trying to save face. I actually like Falcon, but credit where credit is due. Same where it's not.
He gave you three valid reasons.
Then you broke forum rules again by disputing his action here.
Why are you deliberately breaking rules? ------------ |
Plug in Baby
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
179
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:07:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:We don't know for what reason and based on what evidence Erotica was banned.
Or if he was at all, he might have just decided he didn't want to play this game on that account any more.
Clearly what ever he does on TS is not bannable as it would come from a third party. So if he was banned it may have been for doing something in breach of the EULA, like RMT. Unless the EULA has changed, maybe scamming, podding etc are now perma-ban offences, but not when I last checked. Sadly we will not be able to know for sure as neither he nor CCP can discuss individual moderation.
Unless third party evidence is now OK in which case I need to start recording enemy comms because I can think of a whole tonne of petitions I could submit.
I guess we can start submitting recordings of verbal abuse in TS to the community team to find out if they are ok or not, rather than speculating on the forums where you won't get a clear answer. This is not a forum alt, this is a forum main. |
Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
522
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:10:00 -
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Ryann Padecain wrote:Calm down? I am genuinely wanting a response from CCP on this matter
Then you should file a ******* petition and not post in some random thread. If you already did that and the answer wasn't to your liking, you can escalate the petition to a senior GM. If the answer is still not to your liking: I can help you find the "Cancel subscription" button if you are not smart enough to find it.
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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
3245
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:10:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Falcon locked a thread of mine that he claimed was ranting and a 'quitting' thread. While it's true I am leaving, the purpose of the thread was to highlight CCP's inconsistencies in player moderation. Falcon could have locked it for any number of reasons, but the main one he chose, ranting, indicates to me that CCP are unhappy about their player base being informed of this inconsistency. Is it ranting to put them in the spotlight when they have done such? Which essentially amounts to censorship, but it technically isn't until they remove the link in the locked thread. Disputing Dev actions is against forum rules. He gave you three valid reasons, among which that your thread got locked because "I'm Leaving" threads belong in OPE. Keep digging yourself deeper. Digging? Dude, I unsubbed. There's nothing they can do that I haven't done to myself. The reasons were not valid, any fool can see, they're just trying to save face. I actually like Falcon, but credit where credit is due. Same where it's not. He gave you three valid reasons. Then you broke forum rules again by disputing his action here. Why are you deliberately breaking rules?
For one, I'm not breaking the rules. For another, no valid reason was provided. I was providing information to the playerbase and highlighting CCP's inconsistency. Finally, given that CCP is practicing double standards now, what rules? You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
522
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:11:00 -
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Plug in Baby wrote:I guess we can start submitting recordings of verbal abuse in TS to the community team to find out if they are ok or not, rather than speculating on the forums where you won't get a clear answer.
Please do that. That will put you on the fast-track out of this game, which is a good thing! |
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