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Ghelisis Achasse
Scope Works
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Posted - 2014.03.28 22:18:00 -
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...In my case, I am Gallente, I am a proud Gallente citizen. However, aside from corporation doctrine, I choose to fly Caldari ships. Why?
When a station agent offers me a mission that requires me to destroy the Caldari (my favorite kind), having a Caldari ship (running silent, of course) makes those dogs think they are getting reinforcements - until that first missile salvo. I find it is easier on me personally, since they see Caldari warp in, they are hesitant to fire. They only know something is up when they see those cruise missiles heading their way. Gallente liberties MUST be upheld.
Oh I have picked up some of their escape pods of course, but they are never treated to a warm welcome on MY ship. The cargo hold crew usually subdues them and into the brig they go. I prefer to collect my bounties with my prey alive. Then, station security can have their way with 'em.
I agree, this type of thing is similar to the Guristas pirate doctrine, only I REALLY dislike pirates also, and nothing makes me happier than seeing a Serpentis vessel shooting flames from various decks. I have also gone toe-to-toe with the Blood Raiders on occasion, and probably utterly confused some of their cruiser captains that find their ships going down to one of my Incursi.
But mostly, I just love duping the Caldari. Taking one of the States ships and turning it against the State is one of many things I LOOOOVE to do.
If anyone does similar, I would love to hear their story! |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
3403
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:26:00 -
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I prefer to fly Caldari ships as well, but mostly because I wouldn't be seen dead in one of those floating phallic symbols that Roden and his ilk seem to enjoy designing and building.
Personally I love using my Caldari ship to stomp Gallente ships flat - because they seem to expect to be outclassed (given how hard they try to escape) and then, having given them a chance to prove themselves halfway competent, you get them anyway. I always pick up Prisoners of War from their ships, because we signed the Interstellar Law of Arms that requires us not to leave them to die in Space. It's especially amusing when we treat them with dignity and humanity - despite the propaganda they've been filled with that makes them expect harsh treatment.
How I laugh as they're escorted to reasonably sized secure-quarters and provided with replacement clothing and warm food! And the look on their faces as we offload them at an independently monitored Prisoner of War facilitly, where they are given productive work to perform whilst the repatriation process is underway.
Using my Caldari ships to completely outclass Gallente pilots as both combat pilots AND decent human beings is something I just LOOOOOVE to do.
Not for your crews, if I find you though, Msr Achasse. Given your behaviour, I'm going to reclass you as a Pirate - and as such your crew will forfeit their rights and any privileges. For crews like yours, we have an arrangement with TSF whereby we can swap them for Caldari POWs before they go into Nation's vats for processing. Sleep well. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
2100
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:32:00 -
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I don't know man. I just fly whatever is most effective for the job at hand.
Looking forward to meeting your crew! |
Dapheni Daphiti
Khanid Engineering Industries
0
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:53:00 -
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I try to fly solely Kingdom ships, but considering the training required to pilot the various models takes some time to complete, I make do with regular Amarr ships. The technology may not necessarily be up to the standards I'm used to, but they work in a pinch.
When it comes to those baseliners I find floating in space, the Caldari are given over to the State least I invoke their ire. The Gallente, Minmatar and Amarr go to the slave pens and re-education programs. As long as my manufactoriums are in lowsec, the officials are keen to look the other way, when they even find out. It's a delicious irony to be running production facilities in the privacy of my hanger using a predominately Gallente workforce while aborad a Gallente station. |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
4455
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:55:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:For crews like yours, we have an arrangement with TSF whereby we can swap them for Caldari POWs before they go into Nation's vats for processing. Sleep well. Wow.
I don't think I've ever completely lost respect for an entire organisation and every individual associated with it so quickly or nonchalantly before. Mane 614
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
3404
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:58:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:For crews like yours, we have an arrangement with TSF whereby we can swap them for Caldari POWs before they go into Nation's vats for processing. Sleep well. Wow.I don't think I've ever completely lost respect for an entire organisation and every individual associated with it so quickly or nonchalantly before.
The people we rescue tend to think differently. And really, the penalty for Piracy is death anyway, isn't it? |
Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy
513
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:59:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:For crews like yours, we have an arrangement with TSF whereby we can swap them for Caldari POWs before they go into Nation's vats for processing. Sleep well. Wow.I don't think I've ever completely lost respect for an entire organisation and every individual associated with it so quickly or nonchalantly before.
Yea....I agree with grumpy here. What the hell; do you actually swap people with Nation?
-Eran |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
3404
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Posted - 2014.03.29 00:01:00 -
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This information has been public domain for months and months. |
Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy
513
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Posted - 2014.03.29 00:03:00 -
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Well I may be the last to know but it is no less disappointing to find out.
Hm, well this changes my perspective on a few things...
-Eran |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
4456
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Posted - 2014.03.29 00:06:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:The people we rescue tend to think differently. And really, the penalty for Piracy is death anyway, isn't it? Pieter, do not let my calm demeanor fool you. I am absolutely livid right now. I've just gotten better at controlling my emotions.
I'm angry on three counts: 1. You've just demonstrated that one of Diana Kim's insane, paranoid rantings (namely, that Pyre-Falcon are in league with Sansha's Nation) was actually correct and in that dismissing it out of hand like I usually do I was actually in the wrong about her for once, which is monumentally embarassing.
2. You're equating giving people to Sansha's Nation to death, whereas in fact death would be a far, far preferable alternative.
3. You're giving people to Sansha's Nation.
4. You're smugly boasting about giving people to Sansha's Nation. Mane 614
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
3404
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Posted - 2014.03.29 00:08:00 -
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I'm not smugly boasting about it, I'm just done trying to dance around the issue, Andreus. |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
4456
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Posted - 2014.03.29 00:14:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:I'm not smugly boasting about it, I'm just done trying to dance around the issue, Andreus. Oh, forgive me, Pieter. You're trading people to the Sansha's Nation but at least you're being honest about it.
That changes things entirely. Mane 614
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
3404
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Posted - 2014.03.29 00:17:00 -
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Now you're acting like it was my decision. |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
4456
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Posted - 2014.03.29 00:21:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Now you're acting like it was my decision. It may not have been your decision to begin doing it, but it was and remains your decision whether to continue participating in it. Mane 614
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
3404
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Posted - 2014.03.29 00:22:00 -
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Life is very seldom about one thing, Andreus. If you think the decision to abandon my kirjuun, my wife and my crews can be made so simply, on behalf of people I don't have even a shred of loyalty to... |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
4456
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Posted - 2014.03.29 00:36:00 -
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What use is the loyalty of an honourable man to a cause that's doing dishonourable things, Pieter?
It doesn't get much more dishonourable than trading people to Nation, no matter what rationalisations are given. Mane 614
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Vectra Sharpe
Imperium Quaestores
21
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Posted - 2014.03.29 02:52:00 -
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Pieter... I know I only met you but once such a long time ago, and you probably don't remember me, but this is not something I would've expected from you. I'm not condoning Pilot Achasse's brash statement or attitude, but handing people over to Nation.... It seems beneath you. Those peoples have wives and children too.
Sorry, I know this is straying from the initial topic. In response to the title of this thread, I have to say that I too prefer State vessels, if I am flying anything larger than a Destroyer-class vessel. Even though I graduated in Gallente ships, I never could get over how backwards the systems felt to me. Not only that, but since I do like to spend a fair amount if time among my crew when possible, I find that the straightforward layout of Caldari deck design is much easier for me to navigate without feeling like I'm walking in circles.
I will admit though, I do not usually get a warm welcome at most system gates I traverse near my homeworld. Especially after last year's events in Luminaire. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
253
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Posted - 2014.03.29 03:52:00 -
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Uh, ok. This got derailed faster then I thought it would...
On topic, I am Gallente and I fly Amarr.... For the lasers, I like lasers.... And cake, but that has little to do with anything. The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Bryen Verrisai
EVE University Ivy League
127
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Posted - 2014.03.29 04:09:00 -
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I get the "coolness" factor of Amarr lasers, and the novelty of flying around in Minmatar ships that don't look like they should even be able to function, but this love affair with Caldari ships just baffles me. Flying those things feels like working in a giant space-cubicle.
Really my only complaint is that, for some reason, the Thorax-hull ships vibrate too much. |
Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative
261
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Posted - 2014.03.29 04:15:00 -
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It's habit grown to include reason, in my case, that I fly Caldari hulls. It's what I was trained in, and what I'm comfortable with. They're efficient, and I like the versatility of missile systems. Still, I'm considering giving Gallente or Amarrian hulls a go, before too long, to expand my repertoire.
...And regarding vibrating Thorax hulls... I'm sure it's all for her pleasure. |
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Agiri Falken
State War Academy Caldari State
125
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Posted - 2014.03.29 04:31:00 -
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...I like plasma rifles. There. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3111
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Posted - 2014.03.29 04:34:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:For crews like yours, we have an arrangement with TSF whereby we can swap them for Caldari POWs before they go into Nation's vats for processing. Sleep well.
... Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
589
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Posted - 2014.03.29 05:47:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Not for your crews, if I find you though, Msr Achasse. Given your behaviour, I'm going to reclass you as a Pirate - and as such your crew will forfeit their rights and any privileges. For crews like yours, we have an arrangement with TSF whereby we can swap them for Caldari POWs before they go into Nation's vats for processing. Sleep well.
I always held you in high regard, and Pyre as well, but I was not aware of this tidbit of information. Capsuleers of all factions fought together when Nation first arrived to hold them back as much as we could. It was the one thing they agreed on, even tho there was still internal strife; that stopping Nation took precedence over national conflicts. Even now, combined capsuleer fleets of various factions engange Nation whenever they can...
Countless worlds got attacked, dozens of millions got taken for fates Citizen Astur and Slave Tama01 were all to eager to explain. The 'chosen' become true slaves, the usable ones get duplicated as drones, and the unsuitable ones become biomass for them.
You do this to save Caldari POW from their fate, by sending others to this cruel fate. Perhaps it's time to figure out where they get those POW from...fight the origin, not the symptoms. Go to the Gallente Prisoncamps, and liberate the POW there, hell expose to the Gallente Federation media on how badly they are treated, use the Gallente system against them, and then even fed citizens will follow the sentiment that Caldari POW should be treated better.
Or if it's Sansha taking Caldari POW, then you are aiding an enemy of the State ( which they already are....) in continuing their criminal acts. And your trade will only help them continuing their raids against the State, because they know they got a deal with your corporation.
I can go on, and keep ranting, thinking of the worlds that got entirely depopulated by Sansha, Caldari worlds , but I feel it would serve no use, I'm just a silly Achura, not really part of the State according to some, even tho I support it for all the good they brought to Achur.
I'm dissapointed in you Pieter Tuulinen, I always looked up to you, a true Caldari. I am also dissapointed in Pyre, a corporation that embodied the State's determination in the Faction Warfare.
But I'm just a silly Achura, what do I know of the State right? -áThe Sleeper Desolation First year anniversary of the Caldari Prime battle was a success! |
Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative
262
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Posted - 2014.03.29 06:06:00 -
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With Pyre's departure from militia service, I too have questions I wish to ask Pieter. And Pieter alone. The rest of Pyre speaks enough by willfully dropping the flag of the State that I don't care whether they wind up lobotomized by Nation, or shot as pirates. |
Anja Suorsa
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
265
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Posted - 2014.03.29 08:01:00 -
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Pieter, step back. If you're even halfway as tired of trying to justify your actions to this kangaroo court as I am then it's simply better to concentrate on the things you can help change in the warzone.
None of these people know me, none of them have cared to try and yet I am judged and ostracized by some pervasive moral code that tells me how I should behave as a Patriot. You said it yourself, Pieter:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote: The people we rescue tend to think differently.
That is all we need.
The rest of you, weak willed lickspittles to the monster of public opinion; All you need to know is that Pyre Falcon do our duty to the State and it's people. We look after them. Feign insult and indignation if you must, after all your popularity in this circus is so important, but know that it will not stop us doing everything within our power to secure the safety of State citizen the cluster over. If that means we must make the hard decisions to deal with people your moral codes forbid you to, so be it.
I'd be genuinely interested to hear what realistic propositions the rest of you have to return these people safe and unharmed from nation. Better yet, please tell us what you are actually doing to secure these people's futures. |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
254
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Posted - 2014.03.29 08:11:00 -
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Anja Suorsa wrote:Pieter, step back. If you're even halfway as tired of trying to justify your actions to this kangaroo court as I am then it's simply better to concentrate on the things you can help change in the warzone. None of these people know me, none of them have cared to try and yet I am judged and ostracized by some pervasive moral code that tells me how I should behave as a Patriot. You said it yourself, Pieter: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: The people we rescue tend to think differently.
That is all we need. The rest of you, weak willed lickspittles to the monster of public opinion; All you need to know is that Pyre Falcon do our duty to the State and it's people. We look after them. Feign insult and indignation if you must, after all your popularity in this circus is so important, but know that it will not stop us doing everything within our power to secure the safety of State citizen the cluster over. If that means we must make the hard decisions to deal with people your moral codes forbid you to, so be it. I'd be genuinely interested to hear what realistic propositions the rest of you have to return these people safe and unharmed from nation. Better yet, please tell us what you are actually doing to secure these people's futures. Damn it, at least answer the op's topic after you rant! What do you fly? The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
2413
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Posted - 2014.03.29 08:21:00 -
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I happen to prefer Gurista ships, but so what? Nullsec in a Nutshell: http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif |
Anja Suorsa
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
265
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Posted - 2014.03.29 08:21:00 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Damn it, at least answer the op's topic after you rant ! What do you fly? Anything with launcher hardpoints, preferably Rocket launchers.
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Zenariae
Anakkiss
18
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Posted - 2014.03.29 08:24:00 -
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Ghelisis Achasse wrote: But mostly, I just love duping the Caldari. Taking one of the States ships and turning it against the State is one of many things I LOOOOVE to do.
ThereGÇÖs one thing I love to do and thatGÇÖs gut a Gallente dolt with one of my blades GǪ although I agree on the superior choice of Caldari ships but not for your reasons of course GÇô I simply love the way a kinetic missile GǪ penetrates. ThereGÇÖs beautiful poetry in opening up some armour, especially when thereGÇÖs a simpering mug inside ready to squeal. |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
590
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Posted - 2014.03.29 08:48:00 -
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Anja Suorsa wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote: The people we rescue tend to think differently.
That is all we need. The rest of you, weak willed lickspittles to the monster of public opinion; All you need to know is that Pyre Falcon do our duty to the State and it's people. We look after them. Feign insult and indignation if you must, after all your popularity in this circus is so important, but know that it will not stop us doing everything within our power to secure the safety of State citizen the cluster over. If that means we must make the hard decisions to deal with people your moral codes forbid you to, so be it. I'd be genuinely interested to hear what realistic propositions the rest of you have to return these people safe and unharmed from nation. Better yet, please tell us what you are actually doing to secure these people's futures.
Here's my take on it:
Where do they come from? If they're civilians & militia captured by Nation, you only assist an enemy in the State in strengthening themselves as they lose nothing in the trade, only exchanging PoW they just captured for pirate crew.
If their origin is from Gallente prisoncamps, same deal, eliminate the middle men (Sansha) and liberate them from the prisoncamps, you'll create much more loyal caldari citizens that way. On top of that, considering the way the Feds treat their POW, you can expose it to the gallente media, bring some reporter along to show how they're treated, turn the system against them! Should help putting some wind out the sails of the Black Eagles control over those prisoncamps, making life a bit more bearable for those still imprisoned.
We know from Slave Tama01 & Citizen Astur how Nation categorizes their captives / 'liberated civilians'. The most promising ones end up as Slaves. Those who are of use due to a variety of reasons get cloned en masse to serve as crew. And finally, those who are unsuitable get recycled into biomass for the clones. Undoubtly, Sansha would only trade those 'unsuitable' civilians back, in exchange for pirate crew that might contain promising or usable people... So in the end, Pyre's agreement just serves as a way to strengthen Nation.
The major dilemma we face is this: is the safe retrieval of (possibly infected) civilians worth to strengthen Nation? In my opinion, how harshly it sounds, the answer is no. On short term, saving them by exchanging for criminals does look like the best course of action, but on the long term it only helps Nation in accumulating better individuals at a slightly accelerated rate without any additional costs.
Lets ask a question in return, would you strengthen the Federation if you could recover POW from them in exchange? Note I specifically say strengthen, because that's what the trade means for Nation, they get a chance for more suitable members in exchange for the 'useless chaff' they can only use as biomass. -áThe Sleeper Desolation First year anniversary of the Caldari Prime battle was a success! |
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