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Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.29 09:35:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote: Farewell, fare EVE. I love this game, but there was no other choice I could have made that I would have been able to live with.
Fire off a letter to a CSM, maybe he'll take up your cause. Otherwise welcome to gray area rules. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Jack Lennox
Killing With a Smile
58
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Posted - 2014.03.29 09:36:00 -
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Wow talk about a double standard. THIS is actual harassment. Sokhar even came out and said he didn't really care about what happened in the bonus room anymore. That wasn't harassment. And yet, Erotica 1 gets banned. Wow
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KnowUsByTheDead
Krypteia Operations CODE.
1189
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Posted - 2014.03.29 09:37:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote: Farewell, fare EVE. I love this game, but there was no other choice I could have made that I would have been able to live with.
Fire off a letter to a CSM, maybe he'll take up your cause. Otherwise welcome to gray area rules.
Lol.
Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á |
Klyith
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
83
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Posted - 2014.03.29 09:42:00 -
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Toshiro Ozuwara wrote: Again, I don't endorse sharks eating humans, but if you go swimming in shark infested waters and get bit, can we not say that maybe we saw that one coming?
If you go into isk-doubling bonus rooms and have to sing songs and endure being made fun of, can we not say that maybe we saw that one coming?
Contestants for the Bonus Room were told in advance that they will have to perform a bunch of "trials" or "tasks" for their reward. The contestant / victim might gloss over it a bit because they get distracted by the big QUINTUPLE YOUR ISK stars in their eyes, but it is in the rules up front.
If I hire you to be a clown for my party and you get pied in the face, is it harassment? |
Erica Dusette
Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate
5284
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Posted - 2014.03.29 09:43:00 -
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The difference between the two cases is rather obvious really.
With the bonus room thing all identities were obvious and admitted. There was no mystery, no hidden trails, no uncertainty about identities.
But in Rem's unfortunate case anyone could have sent that email. There's no definitive way to truly tie that to an individual EVE player without some reasonable doubt.
Remiel did the right thing by forwarding that stuff to both CCP and his local police, as CCP recommend. But beyond that I can't see a way CCP could do anything more than make that recommendation unless you want people banned from speculation alone. -áGÖí-á-á-áMajor (Ret.) Caldari Naval Militia Gÿá -á Sky Fighters | Just an innocent explorer! pâä Sith1s Spectre: "Here at Sky Fighters we respect quality forum PvPers." |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4140
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Posted - 2014.03.29 09:47:00 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:The difference between the two cases is rather obvious really. With the bonus room thing all identities were obvious and admitted. There was no mystery, no hidden trails, no uncertainty about identities. But in Rem's unfortunate case anyone could have sent that email. There's no definitive way to truly tie that to an individual EVE player without some reasonable doubt. Remiel did the right thing by forwarding that stuff to both CCP and his local police, as CCP recommend. But beyond that I can't see a way CCP could do anything more than make that recommendation unless you want people banned from speculation alone.
See, telling people "cover your tracks better" is not what I imagine they had in mind with the statement earlier. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Toshiro Ozuwara
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
578
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Posted - 2014.03.29 09:49:00 -
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Klyith wrote:If you go into isk-doubling bonus rooms and have to sing songs and endure being made fun of, can we not say that maybe we saw that one coming? I am totally brain fried right now and should probably not be posting.
I suppose yes, people who know what the bonus room entails, should not be going in there, then crying foul afterwards.
But that's what humans do. People accept risks, then when they lose, they look for an authority to cry to. They do it IRL, they do it in video games.
Klyith wrote:If I hire you to be a clown for my party and you get pied in the face, is it harassment? No.
Your issue is misdirected towards me though. You should direct it to CCP. Whether I like Erotica1, or dislike him, or hate him, or love him, it makes no difference to what CCP does. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
Erica Dusette
Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate
5284
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Posted - 2014.03.29 09:50:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Erica Dusette wrote:The difference between the two cases is rather obvious really. With the bonus room thing all identities were obvious and admitted. There was no mystery, no hidden trails, no uncertainty about identities. But in Rem's unfortunate case anyone could have sent that email. There's no definitive way to truly tie that to an individual EVE player without some reasonable doubt. Remiel did the right thing by forwarding that stuff to both CCP and his local police, as CCP recommend. But beyond that I can't see a way CCP could do anything more than make that recommendation unless you want people banned from speculation alone. See, telling people "cover your tracks better" is not what I imagine they had in mind with the statement earlier. What I'm saying is the difference between the two cases is very obvious.
The reason why one resulted in a ban and one couldn't is quite clear and reasonable.
At least in my opinion. -áGÖí-á-á-áMajor (Ret.) Caldari Naval Militia Gÿá -á Sky Fighters | Just an innocent explorer! pâä Sith1s Spectre: "Here at Sky Fighters we respect quality forum PvPers." |
WouldYouEver HaveSexWith aGoat
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2014.03.29 09:51:00 -
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You guys are missing the point. Tired of seeing these threads now.
Erotica1 was not banned for his conduct out of game. Erotica was banned for using EVE to fascilate actions out of game that would be considered a TOS/EULA infraction in-game.
The question becomes: Is using in-game tools to fascilate EULA/TOS breaking activities out of game a breach of the EULA/TOS?
That's a matter for debate. Unfortunately most people here are debating the wrong thing entirely, because they don't realize the real problem here.
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Erica Dusette
Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate
5284
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Posted - 2014.03.29 09:52:00 -
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Dat name -áGÖí-á-á-áMajor (Ret.) Caldari Naval Militia Gÿá -á Sky Fighters | Just an innocent explorer! pâä Sith1s Spectre: "Here at Sky Fighters we respect quality forum PvPers." |
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10947
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Posted - 2014.03.29 09:56:00 -
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Someone likes goat simulator... Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4141
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Posted - 2014.03.29 09:56:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Someone likes goat simulator...
A little too much. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1402
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Posted - 2014.03.29 10:00:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:baltec1 wrote:I got death threats over ganking someones barge for a week. Do you think I deserved that? Apparently not because death threats (as I have been told) are super common in all sorts of video games. Btw, did you report the death threats to the police? Are they actively working with CCP to protect you? Answer the question. Is it ok to you to send me death threats for a week for ganking their barge? because your posts so far say that it is. proofs or never happened.
i'm ganking barges too. Yes, some people give quite a lot of ... in local after that. I report them and pass by. No one ever returned to me.
So i don't believe in your 'send death threats for a week' The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Darkopus
State War Academy Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2014.03.29 10:01:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Riot Girl wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:On the flip side, it is entirely possible to NOT break the EULA, but break the rules of society, and get a ban, as our dear friend Erotica 1 discovered. So what exactly was Erotica 1 banned for? For crossing a line.
and being a sociopathic ******.
CCP took out the trash to prevent any permanent damage to their reputation and integrity. They can do this to anyone, any time they like for any reason and if you read the EULA you will soon discover when they do so you don't have a pot to **** in. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
1210
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Posted - 2014.03.29 10:02:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:I know you're going to lock this. I know you might even ban me. But you have it on record that I've already unsubbed my account and transferred my assets away, so go for it. Because it won't happen before this gets out. http://remielpollardlives.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/temporary-close.htmlFarewell, fare EVE. I love this game, but there was no other choice I could have made that I would have been able to live with.
I read to the point where you felt offended and started quoting the Eula. Then you just went on escalating things tbh. Anyways, I wish you all the best. o/
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
670
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Posted - 2014.03.29 10:04:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:... You're very terrible at understanding other people.
He didn't just say "unban Ero and I'll come back", he also added "or ban Sohkar for the threats he made and I'll come back".
... But you people have already made up your minds to be ignorant I guess.
These demands seem rediculous in the light of creepy threats to family members, that or the demands make the threats look fictional. Your posts make me wonder just how many people on this forum are staggering along under the crushing weight of arse-burgers.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Erica Dusette
Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate
5287
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Posted - 2014.03.29 10:08:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:baltec1 wrote:Someone likes goat simulator... A little too much. Stop criticizing my playstyle. -áGÖí-á-á-áMajor (Ret.) Caldari Naval Militia Gÿá -á Sky Fighters | Just an innocent explorer! pâä Sith1s Spectre: "Here at Sky Fighters we respect quality forum PvPers." |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4142
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Posted - 2014.03.29 10:09:00 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:baltec1 wrote:Someone likes goat simulator... A little too much. Stop criticizing my playstyle.
Aside from "Ha ha, WTF!", I cannot see the appeal of that game. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Erica Dusette
Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate
5287
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Posted - 2014.03.29 10:11:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Erica Dusette wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:baltec1 wrote:Someone likes goat simulator... A little too much. Stop criticizing my playstyle. Aside from "Ha ha, WTF!", I cannot see the appeal of that game. Oh we're talking about some game?
Thank goodness. For a moment there I thought you might have seen my hard drive. -áGÖí-á-á-áMajor (Ret.) Caldari Naval Militia Gÿá -á Sky Fighters | Just an innocent explorer! pâä Sith1s Spectre: "Here at Sky Fighters we respect quality forum PvPers." |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4142
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Posted - 2014.03.29 10:12:00 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Erica Dusette wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:baltec1 wrote:Someone likes goat simulator... A little too much. Stop criticizing my playstyle. Aside from "Ha ha, WTF!", I cannot see the appeal of that game. Oh we're talking about some game? Thank goodness. For a moment there I thought you might have seen my hard drive.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/265930/ "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10947
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Posted - 2014.03.29 10:13:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:baltec1 wrote:Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:baltec1 wrote:I got death threats over ganking someones barge for a week. Do you think I deserved that? Apparently not because death threats (as I have been told) are super common in all sorts of video games. Btw, did you report the death threats to the police? Are they actively working with CCP to protect you? Answer the question. Is it ok to you to send me death threats for a week for ganking their barge? because your posts so far say that it is. proofs or never happened. i'm ganking barges too. Yes, some people give quite a lot of ... in local after that. I report them and pass by. No one ever returned to me. So i don't believe in your 'send death threats for a week'
It was when we ran the ice interdictions. We had pages and pages of rage we posted in a thread on our forums. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
2037
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Posted - 2014.03.29 10:13:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
The problem is that other people who broke the EULA have seen no punishment. Nobody can point to any rule E1 has broken yet they got a ban. As this stands, right now, it looks like a witchhunt against someone that a blogger disliked and CCP banned simply to avoid bad press. There is no ruling on the bonus rooms themselves even so as far as we know people can still run them.
This whole thing stinks.
CCP is a for profit company. They have a vested interest in ensuring the continuation and acquisition of new subscriptions. Erotica1 should have foreseen the possibility that their actions might breach the rules regarding harassment and damaging a agape reputation.
It's somewhat analogous to owning a restaurant and have a small group of regular customers coming in a spitting in both other regular customers and new customers food. Just because there's not a no spitting sign on the door doesn't mean you wouldn't bar those persons. Both for being pigs and because they're damaging your business. Want to make billions a week solo running combat sites in null sec? -á Read my Exploratation Guide here -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=309467 |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4142
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Posted - 2014.03.29 10:15:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:baltec1 wrote:
The problem is that other people who broke the EULA have seen no punishment. Nobody can point to any rule E1 has broken yet they got a ban. As this stands, right now, it looks like a witchhunt against someone that a blogger disliked and CCP banned simply to avoid bad press. There is no ruling on the bonus rooms themselves even so as far as we know people can still run them.
This whole thing stinks.
CCP is a for profit company. They have a vested interest in ensuring the continuation and acquisition of new subscriptions. Erotica1 should have foreseen the possibility that their actions might breach the rules regarding harassment and damaging a agape reputation. It's somewhat analogous to owning a restaurant and have a small group of regular customers coming in a spitting in both other regular customers and new customers food. Just because there's not a no spitting sign on the door doesn't mean you wouldn't bar those persons. Both for being pigs and because they're damaging your business.
In your example, typically you would ask them to quit, before you kill them and bury their corpses in the restaurant basement. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Seven Koskanaiken
The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans
1105
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Posted - 2014.03.29 10:17:00 -
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That Erotica 1 was banned because of a blog and a forum post, not because CCP had some sort of road to Damascus moral enlightenment, was entirely unsurprising. That they would not ban Joe Bloggs3457885 anonymous player for doing the same was also expected.
But I never expected evidence of this to produce itself within a mere 3 hours.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
10948
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Posted - 2014.03.29 10:18:00 -
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Speaking of the past. I recall that we once sent a gift basket to a raging fellows house that contained, but was not limited to, a selection of soaps, sweeties and a squeeky bee.
Would this be harrasment and be bannable now? Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
olan2005
Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi
63
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Posted - 2014.03.29 10:19:00 -
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Waiting for the lock. use common sense. Is ccp have stated , good for CCP. All communities have there limit |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1752
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Posted - 2014.03.29 10:23:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:That Erotica 1 was banned because of a blog and a forum post, not because CCP had some sort of road to Damascus moral enlightenment, was entirely unsurprising.
... and Rippard in his latest post is having a nice little laugh about E1 not making it to the end of CCP's Bonus Room, which if you want to look at it objectively, it's pretty much what that 350 page thread-naught was, with nasty insults flying all over the place.
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Tollen Gallen
Glory of Reprisal Enterprise
7037
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Posted - 2014.03.29 10:26:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Speaking of the past. I recall that we once sent a gift basket to a raging fellows house that contained, but was not limited to, a selection of soaps, sweeties and a squeeky bee.
GIMME!
I like Boobees.
Zimmy Zeta - I f*cking love martinis. the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap. Carmen Electra - You are also on my block list. Mr Epeen for CSM9 Mr Epeen for CSM9 |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
4652
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Posted - 2014.03.29 10:30:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Speaking of the past. I recall that we once sent a gift basket to a raging fellows house that contained, but was not limited to, a selection of soaps, sweeties and a squeeky bee.
Would this be harrasment and be bannable now?
Only one way to find out. I'll forward you my P.O. Box in the morning. I like chocolate over soap by the way.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd Nulli Secunda
215
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Posted - 2014.03.29 10:31:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Speaking of the past. I recall that we once sent a gift basket to a raging fellows house that contained, but was not limited to, a selection of soaps, sweeties and a squeeky bee.
Would this be harrasment and be bannable now? Tbh, I would be VERY careful with such an action. With regard to the context it can be viewed as being provocative and insulting. Taking in-game stuff to RL is not a good idea and may have consequences that you didn't expect in advance.
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