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Kyperion
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Posted - 2014.03.29 16:02:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Kyperion wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Option 4. CCP diverts it's research money into quantum physics and cyborg technologies, creates a time machine and sends a terminator back in time stop Ripard Teg before he becomes self aware enough to blog about anything. Jen aSide for csm! Just so we can be clear... another fine example of the civility of your side.... Go ahead and complain more about the supposed and unlinked death threats E1 received!!! Who pissed in this guys Cheerios lol? No one.
However you just committed the very act your side is complaining about receiving all the time from people you describe as 'playing the game wrong carebears'.... a death threat/wish (sicking a robot on someone to kill them "IRL") .... and a child no less! |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2014.03.29 16:02:00 -
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2 - the status quo is my vote.
Quote:The main point of contention seems to be that CCP refuse to give an exact definition of what constitutes harrassment and abuse, instead requiring players to exercise judgement and discretion in their communication with outher players. It's basically the old "I can't define pornography, but I know it when I see it" situation. No one is going to be able to define a complete and clear set of rules to cover all situations, especially since not everyone can agree on what such standards should be in the first place.
At best you can issue guidelines. IMHO, the minimum guidelines are: * what is the chance that you are going to anger or offend CCP into action? * what is the chance that Public Opinion will force CCP to act?
A case of the former, would be the FW Exploit 2012, referred to as "currency manipulation" by one of the devs. While it was not technically against the rules, it did anger CCP. Just because the rules let you do something, doesn't mean CCP will let you.
A case of the latter would be the current situation or the infamous fanfest remark. Whether we like it or not, any out of game activity that can be linked back to EVE is subject to the court of public opinion in the Real World which runs the risk of society holding CCP and its players accountable. We are not an island. We, the players, are co-owners of EVE, which makes us stewards of EVE as well. We cannot ignore or skirt our societal obligations and expectations.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.29 16:04:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Option 4. CCP diverts it's research money into quantum physics and cyborg technologies, creates a time machine and sends a terminator back in time stop Ripard Teg before he becomes self aware enough to blog about anything. Jen aSide for csm! Just so we can be clear... another fine example of the civility of your side.... Go ahead and complain more about the supposed and unlinked death threats E1 received!!! Just so we can be clear.....I didn't start a ******* wich hunt, I didn't instigate an angry mob and at no point have I had a go at anyone who hadn't espoused some vile rhetoric demeaning a real life issue.
If in doubt...do...excessively. |
Kyperion
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Posted - 2014.03.29 16:05:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Kyperion wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Option 4. CCP diverts it's research money into quantum physics and cyborg technologies, creates a time machine and sends a terminator back in time stop Ripard Teg before he becomes self aware enough to blog about anything. Jen aSide for csm! Just so we can be clear... another fine example of the civility of your side.... Go ahead and complain more about the supposed and unlinked death threats E1 received!!! Just so we can be clear.....I didn't start a ******* wich hunt, I didn't instigate an angry mob and at no point have I had a go at anyone who hadn't espoused some vile rhetoric demeaning a real life issue. So that justifies wishing to kill someone before they reached the age of adulthood? |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.03.29 16:06:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Kyperion wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Option 4. CCP diverts it's research money into quantum physics and cyborg technologies, creates a time machine and sends a terminator back in time stop Ripard Teg before he becomes self aware enough to blog about anything. Jen aSide for csm! Just so we can be clear... another fine example of the civility of your side.... Go ahead and complain more about the supposed and unlinked death threats E1 received!!! Who pissed in this guys Cheerios lol? No one. However you just committed the very act your side is complaining about receiving all the time from people you describe as 'playing the game wrong carebears'.... a death threat/wish (sicking a robot on someone to kill them "IRL") .... and a child no less!
I don't do anyhting, I made a joke on a forum (that non-stupid people are laughing at). If you're not suffering from pissy cheerios, you are suffering from a missed dose of whatever medicine you are supposed to be taking. Set a timer to take those pills next time before posting something stupid. |
Kyperion
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Posted - 2014.03.29 16:07:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:2 - the status quo is my vote. Quote:The main point of contention seems to be that CCP refuse to give an exact definition of what constitutes harrassment and abuse, instead requiring players to exercise judgement and discretion in their communication with outher players. It's basically the old "I can't define pornography, but I know it when I see it" situation. No one is going to be able to define a complete and clear set of rules to cover all situations, especially since not everyone can agree on what such standards should be in the first place. At best you can issue guidelines. IMHO, the minimum guidelines are: * what is the chance that you are going to anger or offend CCP into action? * what is the chance that Public Opinion will force CCP to act? A case of the former, would be the FW Exploit 2012, referred to as "currency manipulation" by one of the devs. While it was not technically against the rules, it did anger CCP. Just because the rules let you do something, doesn't mean CCP will let you. A case of the latter would be the current situation or the infamous fanfest remark. Whether we like it or not, any out of game activity that can be linked back to EVE is subject to the court of public opinion in the Real World which runs the risk of society holding CCP and its players accountable. We are not an island. We, the players, are co-owners of EVE, which makes us stewards of EVE as well. We cannot ignore or skirt our societal obligations and expectations. Insanity can easily be described as doing the "status quo" and expecting different results. |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.29 16:08:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Kyperion wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Option 4. CCP diverts it's research money into quantum physics and cyborg technologies, creates a time machine and sends a terminator back in time stop Ripard Teg before he becomes self aware enough to blog about anything. Jen aSide for csm! Just so we can be clear... another fine example of the civility of your side.... Go ahead and complain more about the supposed and unlinked death threats E1 received!!! Who pissed in this guys Cheerios lol?
My bad. I thought he was into that. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Kyperion
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Posted - 2014.03.29 16:09:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: I don't do anyhting, I made a joke on a forum (that non-stupid people are laughing at). If you're not suffering from pissy cheerios, you are suffering from a missed dose of whatever medicine you are supposed to be taking. Set a timer to take those pills next time before posting something stupid.
So its ok to joke about killing a human being now? Got it, Jenn aSide thinks it is ok to joke about killing people. |
Drone 16
Law Dogz
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Posted - 2014.03.29 16:11:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:Drone 16 wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote:Drone 16 wrote: If you get sent eve mails that hurt your feelings
Just stop right there, guy. This isn't about "hurt feelings". Ero hurt people's feelings. My Ferox hurts people's feelings. These sickos might be tossing off idle threats, but they also might actually be psychos. You can't know that for sure. What part of "death threats" , "racist slurs", and "threatened to find me and r**e my girlfriend" didn't freaking sink into your skull? That's not "hurting someone's feelings".... that's an "oh my gods, what if this guy really is some psychopath and actually tries to follow through on what he said?" CCP can ban him.... that's cool. He's out of the game. That doesn't mean it's impossible for him to get even more emoraged, and attempt to find me, IRL. CCP can't stop him from cyberstalking me and finding where I live. That's the point where the only defense I have is the shotgun in my closet. EVE doesn't need people like that. And don't trivialize this issue. This is much worse than a friggin "bonus round", or ganking a mission runner. This is something that is actually potentially dangerous to real people. EDIT: I should not have resorted to name-calling, even the harmless one that I tossed off. My bad. I redacted it. No worries on the name calling. I think you are a pretty chill guy. I've said it before. I'm not sure what you are arguing with me about. If you gank someone and you have concerns get them banned. That is about the best CCP can do to help you. As was said previously call the local police if it gets worse. People coming on here to vent about miners threatening them are just silly, I'm sorry. I makes them no different then the miners venting about them. Which has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. This discussion is about a peanutbuter/mayo/humiliation fetishist that was removed from the game because CCP and the CSM and the bulk of the community thought he had gone to far. Anything else if just smoke brought about by his fan bois. I just have a sincere aversion towards people who can't separate a video game from reality. WoW players have been known to IRL murder other WoW players over internet swords, or getting ganked on a PvP server. We don't need those kinds of people in EVE. We are supposed to be better than that. My point is that CCP needs to stop catering to those kind of people. Most of us are only sociopaths, in-game. You wouldn't know it from my constant eagerness to violence people's boats, but if the people I shoot met me at the pub, I'd buy them a pint and wingman for them. I'm just that kind of bloke. I honestly worry about some of our carebears, though.
I think that you haven't been reading my threads. I'm all for mayhem in the game. I invite all and sundry to come and harvest my tears. I will laugh with you about it at fanfest.
However, there are fringe dwellers in this game that can't separate themselves from the game. This is a game that is rated teen. If 13 yr old your son, daughter, brother, sister was in one of E1's bonus rooms being asked to dribble mayo on their mouth and send a picture would you be cool with that? Is that Eve Online?
This banning won't clear out the fringe dwelling whacks but it puts them on notice that there are actions that go to far and no they wont be pre-defined for you to see, take your chances.
That is the crux of the conversation all of this other stuff is smoke.
Therefore I'm a #2 guy. |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2014.03.29 16:11:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: I don't do anyhting, I made a joke on a forum (that non-stupid people are laughing at). If you're not suffering from pissy cheerios, you are suffering from a missed dose of whatever medicine you are supposed to be taking. Set a timer to take those pills next time before posting something stupid.
If option 1 wins, then I recommend that all humor shall require links explaining the humor. In this case 'pissed in this guys Cheerios' should link to yahoo answers or to urban dictionary.
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BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
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Posted - 2014.03.29 16:13:00 -
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I think this whole thread is a effin joke
So now if I want to get someone banned all I have to do is record TS/Vent/Whatever, bait someone into making disparaging remarks, then cry to CCP claiming 'cyber bullying'
There will be a lot less drunk people on TS, that's for sure, as well as maybe a few less big alliance leaders
Better yet, why don't we have CCP just monitor and record all 3rd party voice programs since 'cyber bulling' is now FOTM .
Oh, and you might want to listen to a podcast of DJ Funky Bacon's show from last night (Friday March 28, 2014 8pm EDT).
You'll find some nice updated material in there, and realize how this is so far overblown.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.29 16:13:00 -
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This is utterly pointless.
If in doubt...do...excessively. |
Kyperion
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Posted - 2014.03.29 16:15:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: I don't do anyhting, I made a joke on a forum (that non-stupid people are laughing at). If you're not suffering from pissy cheerios, you are suffering from a missed dose of whatever medicine you are supposed to be taking. Set a timer to take those pills next time before posting something stupid.
If option 1 wins, then I recommend that all humor shall require links explaining the humor. In this case 'pissed in this guys Cheerios' should link to yahoo answers or to urban dictionary. OR, we can just explain how joking about wanting to kill another player before they reached adulthood has any place in ANY adult conversation......... |
Drone 16
Law Dogz
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Posted - 2014.03.29 16:21:00 -
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BuckStrider wrote:I think this whole thread is a effin joke
So now if I want to get someone banned all I have to do is record TS/Vent/Whatever, bait someone into making disparaging remarks, then cry to CCP claiming 'cyber bullying'
No It puts the peanutbutter on itself or it leaves the bonus round... - E1's greatest Hits |
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.29 16:26:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:(1) CCP should define abuse and harrassment at the lowest level possible so that essentially any potentially offensive communication is deemed unacceptable, and everyone has a clear idea of where the line is: don't say anything bad at all to another player. This is the choice of virtually every MMO in the game industry.
(2) CCP should continue with the status quo, and trust the members of the EVE community to have the adult intelligence and humanity to exercise discretion in how far they can take their communication with other players. And having exercised that discretion, to also be aware that we're all members of the game community and that while every kind of in-game space-villainy is legitimate, we're all actual human beings behind the screen and we should be careful with our out of game actions to each other. This option is, so far as I am aware, unique to CCP and EVE; if other MMOs place this level of trust and faith in their players I am unaware of them.
(3) CCP should stand back and allow without comment the members of the community complete free reign in using CCP's IP and property to engage in and facilitate whatever activities they desire, regardless of damage done and regardless of the clear trend of escalating unpleasantness. This option, so far as I am aware, is not available anywhere and may in fact contravene the laws of quite a few nations including several which comprise large sections of the EVE playerbase.
Neither. 3) Is out of question
nor 2) because a) dosn't work b) the community dosn't have the tools to regulate.
1) Modified CCP / CSM / the Community need to stay in close communication. Its difficult to rely only on Forums, because there are a lot players which don't use them. EvE / New Eden belongs to CCP. The final Decision what should happen lies within CCP and no one else.
Its clear that CCP tries only to Act when its *absolutly necessary* and thats perfect. Of course not every will like that, but thats natural and happens everywhere: WoW, BF3 ,BF4, you Name it. This special situtation is *exactly* what the CSM is made for. CSM: make you minds up, diskuss them, rethink and discuss it with CCP. IMO thats the only way. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Pirate Nation.
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Posted - 2014.03.29 16:28:00 -
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Option 2
Don't be a turd and follow the herd Instead be a Hero at Hub Zero |
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
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Posted - 2014.03.29 16:28:00 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote:1)
and while you are at it, disband CSM as being useless.
And for posting useless threads http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
you will be harvested |
Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
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Posted - 2014.03.29 16:28:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Please can you help the CSM by choosing which of the three courses of action the CSM should recommend to CCP as the way forward.
As you are all no doubt aware, CCP Falcon, the leader of the EVE Community Team, yesterday published a communication on the subject of player harrassment. As might be expected, this issue, and CCP's reply, has caused a certain amount of contention. The main point of contention seems to be that CCP refuse to give an exact definition of what constitutes harrassment and abuse, instead requiring players to exercise judgement and discretion in their communication with outher players.
In other to get some actual numbers into the discussion, please can you select from one of the following three options for the CSM to present to CCP as the opinion of the community.:
(1) CCP should define abuse and harrassment at the lowest level possible so that essentially any potentially offensive communication is deemed unacceptable, and everyone has a clear idea of where the line is: don't say anything bad at all to another player. This is the choice of virtually every MMO in the game industry.
(2) CCP should continue with the status quo, and trust the members of the EVE community to have the adult intelligence and humanity to exercise discretion in how far they can take their communication with other players. And having exercised that discretion, to also be aware that we're all members of the game community and that while every kind of in-game space-villainy is legitimate, we're all actual human beings behind the screen and we should be careful with our out of game actions to each other. This option is, so far as I am aware, unique to CCP and EVE; if other MMOs place this level of trust and faith in their players I am unaware of them.
(3) CCP should stand back and allow without comment the members of the community complete free reign in using CCP's IP and property to engage in and facilitate whatever activities they desire, regardless of damage done and regardless of the clear trend of escalating unpleasantness. This option, so far as I am aware, is not available anywhere and may in fact contravene the laws of quite a few nations including several which comprise large sections of the EVE playerbase.
First of all can I ask if this is an initiative proposed by yourself or one that all members of the CSM have asked to be placed on the forum to gauge opinions from the player base on this important issue ? Personally I feel it would be better to wait until the new CSM has been elected to begin a discussion on this issue as the CSM elections are nearly upon us.
I would like to think, and dearly hope, that the actions of Erotica 1 and his cohorts are a very rare occurance within EVE Online. It would be interesting to know if anyone else had fallen victim to his 'bonus room' but I daresay any other victim/s would be too embarrassed to admit to falling for it. It may be that the recently publicised victim was the only one which would be good news.
If I were to choose one of your options I would like to feel optimistic about the situation and would choose option two but with n amendment. I would like to see CCP add something to the EULA along the lines of:
"Players of EVE Online should not invite other players to any voice chat channel including EVE Voice or any other allegedly 'out of game' voice software application such as TeamSpeak etc with a view to keeping them within the channel for an extended period of time to psychologically harass, extort in-game assets, or insult them. Events of this sort may result in a ban and confiscation of all in-game assets."
Of course this shouldn't mean if you swear at someone for messing up in fleet while in a voice chat that you get banned. It's all a matter of common sense really. As Erotica 1 was allegedly thrown out of GSF for being 'a problem' it's likely he wasn't the full ticket. The only worry I have is that some people, including the James 315 blogsite, feel that there wasn't anything wrong with what Erotica 1 did.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.03.29 16:29:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:stoicfaux wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: I don't do anyhting, I made a joke on a forum (that non-stupid people are laughing at). If you're not suffering from pissy cheerios, you are suffering from a missed dose of whatever medicine you are supposed to be taking. Set a timer to take those pills next time before posting something stupid.
If option 1 wins, then I recommend that all humor shall require links explaining the humor. In this case 'pissed in this guys Cheerios' should link to yahoo answers or to urban dictionary. OR, we can just explain how joking about wanting to kill another player before they reached adulthood has any place in ANY adult conversation......... It was obviously a joke, it was written in such a way that there should be no way that it can be perceived otherwise. There was no threat to Ripard Teg contained, unless of course you know something about time travel or terminators that we don't.
What it is not is a threat, it's not the same as saying "I'm going to hunt you down in real life, and then physically harm you and yours".*
Speaking of adult conversations, stop posting like a particularly pedantic child, you post the way my friends 5 year old sounds
No intent of harm or threat of harm is intended by this, it is merely an example.
No shitposters were harmed during the making of this post
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Kyperion
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Posted - 2014.03.29 16:33:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Kyperion wrote:stoicfaux wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: I don't do anyhting, I made a joke on a forum (that non-stupid people are laughing at). If you're not suffering from pissy cheerios, you are suffering from a missed dose of whatever medicine you are supposed to be taking. Set a timer to take those pills next time before posting something stupid.
If option 1 wins, then I recommend that all humor shall require links explaining the humor. In this case 'pissed in this guys Cheerios' should link to yahoo answers or to urban dictionary. OR, we can just explain how joking about wanting to kill another player before they reached adulthood has any place in ANY adult conversation......... It was obviously a joke, it was written in such a way that there should be no way that it can be perceived otherwise. There was no threat to Ripard Teg contained, unless of course you know something about time travel or terminators that we don't. What it is not is a threat, it's not the same as saying "I'm going to hunt you down in real life, and then physically harm you and yours". Speaking of adult conversations, stop posting like a particularly pedantic child, you post the way my friends 5 year old sounds At no time did Ripard or anyone else in the general discussion thread threaten to kill E1.
Nice attempt at a personal attack though. Its too bad insults and mudslinging typify too many of your posts to be taken seriously |
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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
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Posted - 2014.03.29 16:35:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Kyperion wrote:stoicfaux wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: I don't do anyhting, I made a joke on a forum (that non-stupid people are laughing at). If you're not suffering from pissy cheerios, you are suffering from a missed dose of whatever medicine you are supposed to be taking. Set a timer to take those pills next time before posting something stupid.
If option 1 wins, then I recommend that all humor shall require links explaining the humor. In this case 'pissed in this guys Cheerios' should link to yahoo answers or to urban dictionary. OR, we can just explain how joking about wanting to kill another player before they reached adulthood has any place in ANY adult conversation......... It was obviously a joke, it was written in such a way that there should be no way that it can be perceived otherwise. There was no threat to Ripard Teg contained, unless of course you know something about time travel or terminators that we don't. What it is not is a threat, it's not the same as saying "I'm going to hunt you down in real life, and then physically harm you and yours". Speaking of adult conversations, stop posting like a particularly pedantic child, you post the way my friends 5 year old sounds At no time did Ripard or anyone else in the general discussion thread threaten to kill E1. Nice attempt at a personal attack though. Its too bad insults and mudslinging typify too many of your posts to be taken seriously
Yes, wasnt it the guy getting scammed that was throwing around racial slurs and real life threats? Why is HIS behavior THEIR responsibility? I dont get that. Hell IRL if you **** someone off and they go murder someone you dont get charged with murder http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.03.29 16:39:00 -
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Kyperion wrote: At no time did Ripard or anyone else in the general discussion thread threaten to kill E1.
Nice attempt at a personal attack though. Its too bad insults and mudslinging typify too many of your posts to be taken seriously
Umm I suggest you check that thread again, while death wasn't threatened harm was; I know of one poster that said he would laugh and applaud the person who dropkicked Erotica in the head, and another was threatening to kick the shite out of Erotica if they ever met IRL.
As for the personal attack? Never happened, you are a pedant who nitpicks their way through posts to suit their own agenda. However feel free to report it, if it's a personal attack then the ISD team will rightly remove it.
Neither did the mudslinging happen in the post you replied to, nor does it here. If I was mudslinging, I'd have named the two individuals that I refer to.
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John XIII
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2014.03.29 16:41:00 -
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gf |
Kyperion
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Posted - 2014.03.29 16:42:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Kyperion wrote: At no time did Ripard or anyone else in the general discussion thread threaten to kill E1.
Nice attempt at a personal attack though. Its too bad insults and mudslinging typify too many of your posts to be taken seriously
Umm I suggest you check that thread again, while death wasn't threatened harm was; I know of one poster that said he would laugh and applaud the person who dropkicked Erotica in the head, and another was threatening to kick the shite out of Erotica if they ever met IRL. As for the personal attack? Never happened, you are a pedant who nitpicks their way through posts to suit their own agenda. However feel free to report it, if it's a personal attack then the ISD team will rightly remove it. If Forum moderators removed personal attacks there would hardly be a post left.
And, merely suggesting that real life bullies often get met with fists is a far cry from 'advocating' harm to someone who you claim is not a bully.
It is also a far far far cry from mentioning that ccp should invest in technology to specifically target and kill a player. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.03.29 16:45:00 -
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When I was a kid, comercials featured stunts and explosions and dangerous acts all the time. No one needed to be told the obvious: that this is a dramatization and doing this would be super stupid and get you killed.
The same kinds of commercials today feature a "do not try this' disclaimer everytime anyone does anything even slightly interesting.
Same thing is happening here. The 'torture" that occured on team speak in 2014 would have been called a hilarious extended prank call in 1984. Somewhere along the line, society got pussified to the point where everyone's "feelings" are the most important factor in every interaction. It's the exact reason who MMOs today are overwhemlingly 'think about the children' themepark games as opposed to the sandboxes of the past.
People got it wrong, it won't be the Star Citizens of the game world that will kill games like EVE, it will be increasingly puritanical society that will make the kinds of online interations that go on in EVE less and elss socially acceptable. |
Kyperion
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Posted - 2014.03.29 16:47:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:When I was a kid, comercials featured stunts and explosions and dangerous acts all the time. No one needed to be told the obvious: that this is a dramatization and doing this would be super stupid and get you killed.
The same kinds of commercials today feature a "do not try this' disclaimer everytime anyone does anything even slightly interesting.
Same thing is happening here. The 'torture" that occured on team speak in 2014 would have been called a hilarious extended prank call in 1984. Somewhere along the line, society got pussified to the point where everyone's "feelings" are the most important factor in every interaction. It's the exact reason who MMOs today are overwhemlingly 'think about the children' themepark games as opposed to the sandboxes of the past.
People got it wrong, it won't be the Star Citizens of the game world that will kill games like EVE, it will be increasingly puritanical society that will make the kinds of online interations that go on in EVE less and elss socially acceptable. In 'the good ole days' as you describe them most parents wouldn't have raised kids that ended up turning into adults like Erotica 1.
That would have been solved and prevented with proper moral teaching
The failure lies not with the puritans, but with the decline of traditional values in our societies
Hence Obama, advocate of ever decreasing individual responsibility with ever increasing government budgets and interference elected twice. |
Drone 16
Law Dogz
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Posted - 2014.03.29 16:47:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:When I was a kid, comercials featured stunts and explosions and dangerous acts all the time. No one needed to be told the obvious: that this is a dramatization and doing this would be super stupid and get you killed.
The same kinds of commercials today feature a "do not try this' disclaimer everytime anyone does anything even slightly interesting.
Same thing is happening here. The 'torture" that occured on team speak in 2014 would have been called a hilarious extended prank call in 1984. Somewhere along the line, society got pussified to the point where everyone's "feelings" are the most important factor in every interaction. It's the exact reason who MMOs today are overwhemlingly 'think about the children' themepark games as opposed to the sandboxes of the past.
People got it wrong, it won't be the Star Citizens of the game world that will kill games like EVE, it will be increasingly puritanical society that will make the kinds of online interations that go on in EVE less and elss socially acceptable.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Kyperion wrote:If Forum moderators removed personal attacks there would hardly be a post left.
And, merely suggesting that real life bullies often get met with fists is a far cry from 'advocating' harm to someone who you (Jonah Gravestone/ Jenn aSide/ Baltec 1/ et al) claim is not a bully. I never condoned what Erotica did, nor did I defend him, as far as I know the same goes for Jenn aSide and Baltec1. I thought it was distasteful and not something that I'd care to be involved in.
What we did was try to make sure that a witch hunt didn't happen and defend the practice of being able to part the greedy and foolish from their internet spaceships stuff. In that we seem to have succeeded, I'm pretty sure CCP thought long and hard before they took action.
Quote:It is also a far far far cry from mentioning that ccp should invest in technology to specifically target and kill a player. Do you know something about time travel and terminators that I don't? If you took it seriously the joke is on you.
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Protip: Despite what some people might mistakenly think, harassing other players is not part of the advertising /End all complaints of current CCP sanctions against a certain type of player |
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