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Ranamar
Valkyries of Night Of Sound Mind
38
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Posted - 2014.03.29 19:41:00 -
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I agree with the people who say that option #1 is going to inevitably result in a clampdown so tight that EVE will lose a lot of its current character, and it probably won't stop the griefplay-oriented people anyway, because clearly defined rules make it easier to dance up to the edges of them and needle someone in ways they can't do anything about. Well, or there's an alternative scenario to case #1 that's worse: people don't petition things for fear of looking like a snitch, and then everyone is surprised when something is reported and someone gets banned over it.
So, clearly, the only viable option is #2. However, it comes with some specific conditions, in my opinion. First, things being a reportable offense needs to not be a surprise. Furthermore, because of the metagame and the number of third-party tools we use, actions where people are identifying themselves with their EVE handles should be considered within the purview of action by CCP. Finally, and I know I'm going to offend some people with this one, people need to be encouraged to report things they found offensive.
When I say that reportable offenses need to not be a surprise, I don't mean that we need predictable rules about what will get action. What we need is broad categories of things that may warrant GM investigation. I remember, for example, from the Fountain War, that there was an attitude that reporting someone for fleetporn (which is deeply offensive to a minority of our users and is, by the way, grounds for GM action) was considered tantamount to being a spy. A culture wherein offenses aren't reported, despite being offensive, will just result in one where it behaves like scenario #3 until someone decides to ignore the usual behavior and report something anyway, at which point people will be surprised. Ditto for the kerfuffle over impersonation. My goal here is to reduce surprises, and that means people need to know what kinds of things will be considered when reported.
What I am suggesting will result in more petitions. It will also result in a lot more GM work, because some of the petitions may be needed to be handled by a conversation with a GM, as opposed to something simpler like "ban" or "no". However, if we want to play in a world where we're treated like adults, I think that's the price we're going to have to pay. The price for hard-and-fast rules is forbidding anything that might cause offense, and I think none of us want that, but, if there's a grey area, we will need to have people who work very hard to police it. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1274
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Posted - 2014.03.29 19:43:00 -
[452] - Quote
CCP just opened the Pandora Box, full speed ahead, destination, kindergarten themepark space mmo. The Tears Must Flow |
Jennifer en Marland
To The Stars
0
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Posted - 2014.03.29 19:43:00 -
[453] - Quote
#2 please.
I think CCP should avoid strict definitions of harassment/abuse, so they have the freedom to use their judgement in deciding whether a specific case requires action. This probably means there will be more cases like the current Erotica1 controversy, where CCP takes action even though it doesn't seem to be explicitly required by cast-iron rules, and there are players who disagree with CCP's decision. I don't think thats a problem though. |
Tor Norman
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
91
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Posted - 2014.03.29 19:44:00 -
[454] - Quote
Vance Armistice wrote:Did we ever find out how long the ban is?
Perma or temp? Depends on what erotica decides to do, really. WTF did I just read? |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
1642
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Posted - 2014.03.29 19:46:00 -
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There will never be agreement here because there are at least 4 competing philosophies:
A) Says that everyone has responsibility and capability of taking care of themselves and that for there to be harassment there should at least be some element of non-consentuality of the harassed party.
B) Says that if someone gets emotionally unstable, it doesn't matter if he has consented to any or all parts of the experience, the other person(s) are at fault.
C) Says that certain people have jedi mind powers and can force people to do things with the power of words, and so there is no consent and anything you do to them is actual torture.
D) Says that if someone gets emotionally unstable it may not be your fault, but you should break off the contact with them immediately. And if you don't you then are harassing them.
I obviously fall into camp A. B & C are so foreign to me that I can't even begin to comprehend how adults should be so treated so there is slim chance of convincing me and slim is in Texas.
D seems like a reasonable rule, however there are problems. The main problem is that Makalu needs to have several T3s restored to him and whoever was spying in his coms and knew that he was freaking out and still blew Makalu and his fleet up need to get bans.
Regardless, those seem to be about the 4 major positions. I can think of no argument that will convince that A isn't correct. I'm sure the adherents to B,C,D feel the same way. So I'm going to leave this topic and play Eve where although I was a nice guy, I intend on being the biggest ass I can be and blow up 100 newbie mining barges. I won't be convo'ing them afterwards to make sure they don't have hurt feelings. That way C and D can't blame me at least. Kill it Forward. I know violence isn't the answer. I got it wrong on purpose. |
Vance Armistice
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
72
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Posted - 2014.03.29 19:47:00 -
[456] - Quote
Tor Norman wrote:Vance Armistice wrote:Did we ever find out how long the ban is?
Perma or temp? Depends on what erotica decides to do, really.
Meaning? |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
1502
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Posted - 2014.03.29 19:47:00 -
[457] - Quote
Option 2 |
Tor Norman
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
91
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Posted - 2014.03.29 19:53:00 -
[458] - Quote
Vance Armistice wrote:Tor Norman wrote:Vance Armistice wrote:Did we ever find out how long the ban is?
Perma or temp? Depends on what erotica decides to do, really. Meaning? He jumps on his alt accounts (if he's no banned) or he starts afresh. Wouldn't be hard for him, considering he has friends willing to lend a hand. WTF did I just read? |
Kaylin Drake
Profound Destiny
17
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Posted - 2014.03.29 20:00:00 -
[459] - Quote
Eve in unique in so many ways compared to other MMO's, thus the "industry standard" isn't really Eve's standard.
2. |
Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
90
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Posted - 2014.03.29 20:02:00 -
[460] - Quote
(2) CCP should continue with the status quo, and trust the members of the EVE community to have the adult intelligence and humanity to exercise discretion in how far they can take their communication with other players. And having exercised that discretion, to also be aware that we're all members of the game community and that while every kind of in-game space-villainy is legitimate, we're all actual human beings behind the screen and we should be careful with our out of game actions to each other. This option is, so far as I am aware, unique to CCP and EVE; if other MMOs place this level of trust and faith in their players I am unaware of them. |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14839
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Posted - 2014.03.29 20:03:00 -
[461] - Quote
I Love Boobies wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Let me put it to you in these terms:
If I honestly thought that CCP had banned erotica1 purely because of forum pressure, do you really think I - of all people -would be quiet about it?
You'd definitely wouldn't keep quiet about it. You're rather blunt, which is needed a lot of times. And I respect the bluntness and your willingness to voice your opinion, no matter what people may think.
This post raised a little tear in my eye and shows the value of sticking to what you believe in. It will pay off when you need it to.
1 Kings 12:11
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Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
91
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Posted - 2014.03.29 20:15:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Only the sick people will want 2 or 3.
What does that make you?
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Vance Armistice
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
73
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Posted - 2014.03.29 20:15:00 -
[463] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:I Love Boobies wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Let me put it to you in these terms:
If I honestly thought that CCP had banned erotica1 purely because of forum pressure, do you really think I - of all people -would be quiet about it?
You'd definitely wouldn't keep quiet about it. You're rather blunt, which is needed a lot of times. And I respect the bluntness and your willingness to voice your opinion, no matter what people may think. This post raised a little tear in my eye and shows the value of sticking to what you believe in. It will pay off when you need it to.
Malc, can I ask you a question? Feel free to say you can't comment.
Was E1 banned based on the totality of his behavior or simply on that one bonus round instance?
Thanks |
Salvos Rhoska
908
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Posted - 2014.03.29 20:20:00 -
[464] - Quote
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Only the sick people will want 2 or 3.
What does that make you?
Oh, hai! :) ------------ |
Toshiro Ozuwara
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
595
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Posted - 2014.03.29 20:20:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Theyll change their minds when the reprecussions hit them in the wallet. See: summer of rage.
I think you are seriously overestimating how serious of an issue this is to most Eve players.
They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
Drone 16
Law Dogz
135
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Posted - 2014.03.29 20:21:00 -
[466] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:I Love Boobies wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Let me put it to you in these terms:
If I honestly thought that CCP had banned erotica1 purely because of forum pressure, do you really think I - of all people -would be quiet about it?
You'd definitely wouldn't keep quiet about it. You're rather blunt, which is needed a lot of times. And I respect the bluntness and your willingness to voice your opinion, no matter what people may think. This post raised a little tear in my eye and shows the value of sticking to what you believe in. It will pay off when you need it to.
Malcanis,
While you are here I just want to take the opportunity to say "I'm sorry". I was misunderstood your initial position in the original thread and I was rather harsh.
Thanks It puts the peanutbutter on itself or it leaves the bonus round... - E1's greatest Hits |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
544
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Posted - 2014.03.29 20:22:00 -
[467] - Quote
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Theyll change their minds when the reprecussions hit them in the wallet. See: summer of rage.
I think you are seriously overestimating how serious of an issue this is to most Eve players.
Indeed, Im a member of a large low sec alliance and i asked about this on comms last night, literally no one else had even heard about it let alone gave a damn. Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin
you're welcome |
Stacy Knox
The CheRookies
1
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Posted - 2014.03.29 20:23:00 -
[468] - Quote
Hello Malcanis
Here is my oppinion:
as many people have stated in previous posts " in a perfect world, i would choose number 2"
but here is the thing:
scamming people ingame is one thing, but taking it to a personal level is onother thing.
And CCP cannot be held responsible for things that happen out of game (however the game might be an platform for instigating them.) ... FOR EXAMPLE
What Erotica1 did repeadetly was scamming people and after having done that; getting them to humiliate themselves and even some of their family members "PERSONALLY" and even prevented them from beeing able to do their "in real lif e Jobs"
... and those are just the harmless things we know of.
There is a Movie out there called "Compliance" the movie is about a guy who calls a fast food restaurant and tells the manager that he is a police oficer ... through out the conversation he makes employees get undressed and even forces them to do sexual acts with other people ...
EvE is a game that lives because of its comunity. If people like this are part of the comminuty; is that really a community you wanna be a part of?
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KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1546
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Posted - 2014.03.29 20:31:00 -
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CCP was going to have to draw a line at some point, we all know it. Im just glad we beat the stereotype and the line was drawn BEFORE someone killed themselves, not after it.
The banning of Erotica 1 will not usher in an age of opression onto EVE, it will just serve as a reminder that there IS a limit and hopefully it will not be pushed any further in the future. BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty. |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
544
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Posted - 2014.03.29 20:31:00 -
[470] - Quote
Stacy Knox wrote:Hello Malcanis
Here is my oppinion:
as many people have stated in previous posts " in a perfect world, i would choose number 2"
but here is the thing:
scamming people ingame is one thing, but taking it to a personal level is onother thing.
And CCP cannot be held responsible for things that happen out of game (however the game might be an platform for instigating them.) ... FOR EXAMPLE
What Erotica1 did repeadetly was scamming people and after having done that; getting them to humiliate themselves and even some of their family members "PERSONALLY" and even prevented them from beeing able to do their "in real lif e Jobs"
... and those are just the harmless things we know of.
There is a Movie out there called "Compliance" the movie is about a guy who calls a fast food restaurant and tells the manager that he is a police oficer ... through out the conversation he makes employees get undressed and even forces them to do sexual acts with other people ...
EvE is a game that lives because of its comunity. If people like this are part of the comminuty; is that really a community you wanna be a part of?
Thats a question CCP is trusting us to answer ourselves, which is as it should be.
Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin
you're welcome |
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Seven Koskanaiken
The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans
1108
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Posted - 2014.03.29 20:33:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:When I was a kid, comercials featured stunts and explosions and dangerous acts all the time. No one needed to be told the obvious: that this is a dramatization and doing this would be super stupid and get you killed.
The same kinds of commercials today feature a "do not try this' disclaimer everytime anyone does anything even slightly interesting.
Same thing is happening here. The 'torture" that occured on team speak in 2014 would have been called a hilarious extended prank call in 1984. Somewhere along the line, society got pussified to the point where everyone's "feelings" are the most important factor in every interaction. It's the exact reason who MMOs today are overwhemlingly 'think about the children' themepark games as opposed to the sandboxes of the past.
People got it wrong, it won't be the Star Citizens of the game world that will kill games like EVE, it will be increasingly puritanical society that will make the kinds of online interations that go on in EVE less and elss socially acceptable. In 'the good ole days' as you describe them most parents wouldn't have raised kids that ended up turning into adults like Erotica 1. That would have been solved and prevented with proper moral teaching The failure lies not with the puritans, but with the decline of traditional values in our societies Hence Obama, advocate of ever decreasing individual responsibility with ever increasing government budgets and interference elected twice.
Obama. I knew he had something to do with it. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14839
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Posted - 2014.03.29 20:35:00 -
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Vance Armistice wrote:Malcanis wrote:I Love Boobies wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Let me put it to you in these terms:
If I honestly thought that CCP had banned erotica1 purely because of forum pressure, do you really think I - of all people -would be quiet about it?
You'd definitely wouldn't keep quiet about it. You're rather blunt, which is needed a lot of times. And I respect the bluntness and your willingness to voice your opinion, no matter what people may think. This post raised a little tear in my eye and shows the value of sticking to what you believe in. It will pay off when you need it to. Malc, can I ask you a question? Feel free to say you can't comment. Was E1 banned based on the totality of his behavior or simply on that one bonus round instance? Thanks
totality
1 Kings 12:11
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Themanfromdalmontee
EVE RADIO ARMY
31
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Posted - 2014.03.29 20:36:00 -
[473] - Quote
2, 3 is for psychos and 1 is for wow players |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14839
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Posted - 2014.03.29 20:37:00 -
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Drone 16 wrote:Malcanis wrote:I Love Boobies wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Let me put it to you in these terms:
If I honestly thought that CCP had banned erotica1 purely because of forum pressure, do you really think I - of all people -would be quiet about it?
You'd definitely wouldn't keep quiet about it. You're rather blunt, which is needed a lot of times. And I respect the bluntness and your willingness to voice your opinion, no matter what people may think. This post raised a little tear in my eye and shows the value of sticking to what you believe in. It will pay off when you need it to. Malcanis, While you are here I just want to take the opportunity to say "I'm sorry". I was misunderstood your initial position in the original thread and I was rather harsh. Thanks
Yer well I was a bit clumsy in some of my communication in there because I was frightened.
Hugs?
1 Kings 12:11
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olan2005
Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi
68
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Posted - 2014.03.29 20:38:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:The answer is simple. Quote:(2) CCP should continue with the status quo, and trust the members of the EVE community to have the adult intelligence and humanity to exercise discretion in how far they can take their communication with other players. And having exercised that discretion, to also be aware that we're all members of the game community and that while every kind of in-game space-villainy is legitimate, we're all actual human beings behind the screen and we should be careful with our out of game actions to each other. This option is, so far as I am aware, unique to CCP and EVE; if other MMOs place this level of trust and faith in their players I am unaware of them. In terms of hard data based on player age, we have an extremely mature community. It's quite clear that we also have an extremely intelligent community, even if sometimes the content posted on these forums is to the contrary. I think that playing EVE requires a certain level of intelligence, thickness of skin, and ability to deal with your fellow man in circumstances that are sometimes not to your favor. However, there's a line as to how severe those circumstances should get, and I'll paraphrase Mynxee by saying that this line needs to be drawn at the point where the alleged victim starts to lose emotional control. We can't set an arbirarty line for this, as this is different for everyone, and every situation. There must be a willingness by those involved to recognise when that point has been reached and realize, with positive community spirit in mind, that they should stop and honor that line with humaine and decent behaviour. In the same respect, there must also be a level of responsibility held by CCP to ensure that we have the wellbeing of our community and each of our players at the forefront of our minds during the decision making process when an issue like this comes up. It may be regarded as an "arbitrary" decision from the outside, but generally issues of this nature are investigated by multiple teams within CCP for a number of weeks before any action is taken and due to our privacy policy, we aren't going to release information on individual cases. We have done this only once in the past, and this was due to the fact that the individual involved was the chairman of the Council of Stellar Management, which put us in an extraordinary position in terms of clariflying the situation. In the end, scam, AWOX and betray eachother as much as you like. Steal from eachother as much as you like. Gank, pod and sabotage eachother as much as you like. These are the stories that drive gameplay in EVE, and we are not looking to re-define the sandbox. We do however need to make it clear that in the, end every sandbox has edges just the same as EVE has limits, and those limits are built on a basic level of empathy, understanding and humaine behavior. EVE has a community that to be perfectly honest, I've been extremely proud to be a part of for the last 11 years despite all the ups and downs, the drama, the summer of rage, the bad posting and the sometimes inappropriate content that comes out of it. That community is core to EVE's continued success, and the last 11 years of history is built on the shoulders of everyone who has touched New Eden. Being asked to take on the role of Community Manager for EVE Online last year was both a surprise and a priviliege. Believe me, after being so close to the core of the community we've built over the last 11 years, there's nothing more I want than to see it continue to grow, but we are not in a position where we can paint ourselves into a corner in terms of being able to act on our own policies with the health and wellbeing of our community in mind.
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Vance Armistice
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
73
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Posted - 2014.03.29 20:38:00 -
[476] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Vance Armistice wrote:Malcanis wrote:I Love Boobies wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Let me put it to you in these terms:
If I honestly thought that CCP had banned erotica1 purely because of forum pressure, do you really think I - of all people -would be quiet about it?
You'd definitely wouldn't keep quiet about it. You're rather blunt, which is needed a lot of times. And I respect the bluntness and your willingness to voice your opinion, no matter what people may think. This post raised a little tear in my eye and shows the value of sticking to what you believe in. It will pay off when you need it to. Malc, can I ask you a question? Feel free to say you can't comment. Was E1 banned based on the totality of his behavior or simply on that one bonus round instance? Thanks totality
Thank you very much for replying |
Drone 16
Law Dogz
136
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Posted - 2014.03.29 20:40:00 -
[477] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Drone 16 wrote:Malcanis wrote:I Love Boobies wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Let me put it to you in these terms:
If I honestly thought that CCP had banned erotica1 purely because of forum pressure, do you really think I - of all people -would be quiet about it?
You'd definitely wouldn't keep quiet about it. You're rather blunt, which is needed a lot of times. And I respect the bluntness and your willingness to voice your opinion, no matter what people may think. This post raised a little tear in my eye and shows the value of sticking to what you believe in. It will pay off when you need it to. Malcanis, While you are here I just want to take the opportunity to say "I'm sorry". I was misunderstood your initial position in the original thread and I was rather harsh. Thanks Yer well I was a bit clumsy in some of my communication in there because I was frightened. Hugs?
Lmao. sure.
Thank you for accepting my apology It puts the peanutbutter on itself or it leaves the bonus round... - E1's greatest Hits |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1772
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Posted - 2014.03.29 20:51:00 -
[478] - Quote
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Obama. I knew he had something to do with it.
Thanks a lot Obama. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Bandit 42
Halcyon Dayz
0
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Posted - 2014.03.29 20:52:00 -
[479] - Quote
2 |
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
1415
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Posted - 2014.03.29 20:55:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:The answer is simple. Quote:(2) CCP should continue with the status quo, and trust the members of the EVE community to have the adult intelligence and humanity to exercise discretion in how far they can take their communication with other players. And having exercised that discretion, to also be aware that we're all members of the game community and that while every kind of in-game space-villainy is legitimate, we're all actual human beings behind the screen and we should be careful with our out of game actions to each other. This option is, so far as I am aware, unique to CCP and EVE; if other MMOs place this level of trust and faith in their players I am unaware of them. In terms of hard data based on player age, we have an extremely mature community. It's quite clear that we also have an extremely intelligent community, even if sometimes the content posted on these forums is to the contrary. I think that playing EVE requires a certain level of intelligence, thickness of skin, and ability to deal with your fellow man in circumstances that are sometimes not to your favor. However, there's a line as to how severe those circumstances should get, and I'll paraphrase Mynxee by saying that this line needs to be drawn at the point where the alleged victim starts to lose emotional control. We can't set an arbirarty line for this, as this is different for everyone, and every situation. There must be a willingness by those involved to recognise when that point has been reached and realize, with positive community spirit in mind, that they should stop and honor that line with humaine and decent behaviour. In the same respect, there must also be a level of responsibility held by CCP to ensure that we have the wellbeing of our community and each of our players at the forefront of our minds during the decision making process when an issue like this comes up. It may be regarded as an "arbitrary" decision from the outside, but generally issues of this nature are investigated by multiple teams within CCP for a number of weeks before any action is taken and due to our privacy policy, we aren't going to release information on individual cases. We have done this only once in the past, and this was due to the fact that the individual involved was the chairman of the Council of Stellar Management, which put us in an extraordinary position in terms of clariflying the situation. In the end, scam, AWOX and betray eachother as much as you like. Steal from eachother as much as you like. Gank, pod and sabotage eachother as much as you like. These are the stories that drive gameplay in EVE, and we are not looking to re-define the sandbox. We do however need to make it clear that in the, end every sandbox has edges just the same as EVE has limits, and those limits are built on a basic level of empathy, understanding and humaine behavior. 2 is the best of the options, however I do not think CCP's response to the Erotica 1 situation as i currently understand it strikes me as the appropriate way to implement #2.
"I'll paraphrase Mynxee by saying that this line needs to be drawn at the point where the alleged victim starts to lose emotional control"
I love Mynxee to death and we're friends IRL, but I have to stand up and say that is a *terrible* place to draw a line. EVE is an extremely competitive game which engenders strong emotional investment and has really stiff penalties for "losing" (ie ship blown up or getting successfully scammed). I am sure that the vast majority of players have done something to another player which makes them mad and lose control. The rest of them would happily fake such an occurrence after the fact to get revenge on the opposing player.
This just promotes a different breed of toxic behavior. When the difference between a ban and not ban for the same series of actions is whether one person keeps cool and maintains their sense of personal responsibility vs losing control of themselves and going off in a rage, what does that promote? It sets a tone that mature players do not get the same level of protection as the emotionally immature. If you get an unflattering parody song made about you by an in game enemy (Makalu Cries, for instance) and spread around is the determining factor to ban really going to be whether or not it makes someone upset?
Erotica 1 had a 2 hour public joke on a third party server (a private TS3) at another players expense who subsequently lost his cool. That victim subsequently "got over it" according to his own words and was not bothered at all till this whole mess blew up. Erotica was (prior to the ban) subject to a 2 *day* campaign of targeted harassment by players on third party services (EVE related blogs) but more or less kept his cool by all appearances till he act. After (though not nesc as a result of but it doesnt look good) the public scrutiny Erotica was banned. Regardless of the outcome of either case, both players engaged in what could be considered harassment of another player on an EVE-related third party service.
CCP should not be picking winners and losers in the sandbox; if something is out of bounds for one player it should be out of bounds for all of us. Not everyone has the same level of judgement and as you've noted peoples thresholds for conflict/abuse/losing/emotional stress are wildly different. I'm not saying go with #1 that CCP should itemize everything we can and cannot do. What I am saying is go with #2 and expect the vast majority of players to know what is and isnt out of bounds BUT when these "clear lines" are found such that players do not exercise the correct judgement about when to stop with EVE's harsh gameplay CCP has a responsibility to the community to clearly articulate A. That it happened. B. What specifically set this behavior apart from similar past events and C. What is done about it.
That way we have the best of both worlds
"Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart." -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
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