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masternerdguy
State Protectorate Caldari State
1528
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Posted - 2014.03.30 07:11:00 -
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I've never been in a nullsec alliance that required players to do a tax return. It seems like a missed chance at alliance level income for funding SRP.
It wouldn't be that hard to implement, and it would be the kind of emergent gameplay people blog about, so why hasn't anyone done this yet? Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Dave Stark
4831
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Posted - 2014.03.30 07:13:00 -
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because it's a dumb idea. |
Carmen Electra
Drunk Chaos
317
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Posted - 2014.03.30 07:13:00 -
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wat |
Greyscale Dash
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
78
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Posted - 2014.03.30 07:16:00 -
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It could give small and medium sized alliances the income needed to compete with the moon goo cartels. |
Prince Sanguine
114
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Posted - 2014.03.30 07:17:00 -
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Well if my income doesn't come from ratting or sites why should I be taxed? I like holding people hostage and making them ransom. It seems like you should join a terribad alliance that makes their corps pay per member just so you can have a massive list of people you can't shoot Everytime you read this you are required to send 100 million isk directly to me. |
masternerdguy
State Protectorate Caldari State
1528
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Posted - 2014.03.30 07:20:00 -
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Prince Sanguine wrote:Well if my income doesn't come from ratting or sites why should I be taxed? I like holding people hostage and making them ransom. It seems like you should join a terribad alliance that makes their corps pay per member just so you can have a massive list of people you can't shoot
I'm not talking about in-game taxes collected by game mechanics, I am asking why no alliance has set up a revenue service and required individual income taxes to be filed by all members or they will be penalized. It seems like good emergent gameplay and a great income source for the alliance.
So you'd have to declare all your ratting, mining, and industry income and pay the appropriate ISK tax each quarter ontop of the in-game corporate level tax mechanic. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
285
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Posted - 2014.03.30 07:20:00 -
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Both the alliances i ran had a member tax, or fee, i charged 10m per member, per corp, per month. so if you had 30 members you would pay a 300m isk fee at the start of the next month
now with that said.. i have to add.. a huh? to this idea, as in wtf are you talking about? |
Belt Scout
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2014.03.30 07:21:00 -
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i think it's because ITS A GAME. Stop trying to make eve into RL.
Besides, the pubelords already take enough from the serfs. |
masternerdguy
State Protectorate Caldari State
1528
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Posted - 2014.03.30 07:21:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:Both the alliances i ran had a member tax, or fee, i charged 10m per member, per corp, per month. so if you had 30 members you would pay a 300m isk fee at the start of the next month
now with that said.. i have to add.. a huh? to this idea, as in wtf are you talking about?
Why doesn't any alliance require a tax return to be filed?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_return_%28United_States%29 Things are only impossible until they are not. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
285
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Posted - 2014.03.30 07:21:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Prince Sanguine wrote:Well if my income doesn't come from ratting or sites why should I be taxed? I like holding people hostage and making them ransom. It seems like you should join a terribad alliance that makes their corps pay per member just so you can have a massive list of people you can't shoot I'm not talking about in-game taxes collected by game mechanics, I am asking why no alliance has set up a revenue service and required individual income taxes to be filed by all members or they will be penalized. It seems like good emergent gameplay and a great income source for the alliance. So you'd have to declare all your ratting, mining, and industry income and pay the appropriate ISK tax each quarter ontop of the in-game corporate level tax mechanic.
how do you calculate your members income? you can;t |
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masternerdguy
State Protectorate Caldari State
1528
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Posted - 2014.03.30 07:22:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Prince Sanguine wrote:Well if my income doesn't come from ratting or sites why should I be taxed? I like holding people hostage and making them ransom. It seems like you should join a terribad alliance that makes their corps pay per member just so you can have a massive list of people you can't shoot I'm not talking about in-game taxes collected by game mechanics, I am asking why no alliance has set up a revenue service and required individual income taxes to be filed by all members or they will be penalized. It seems like good emergent gameplay and a great income source for the alliance. So you'd have to declare all your ratting, mining, and industry income and pay the appropriate ISK tax each quarter ontop of the in-game corporate level tax mechanic. how do you calculate your members income? you can;t
You rely on self reporting and voluntary payment backed up by using the API keys to make sure they aren't lying. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
285
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Posted - 2014.03.30 07:27:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:DaReaper wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Prince Sanguine wrote:Well if my income doesn't come from ratting or sites why should I be taxed? I like holding people hostage and making them ransom. It seems like you should join a terribad alliance that makes their corps pay per member just so you can have a massive list of people you can't shoot I'm not talking about in-game taxes collected by game mechanics, I am asking why no alliance has set up a revenue service and required individual income taxes to be filed by all members or they will be penalized. It seems like good emergent gameplay and a great income source for the alliance. So you'd have to declare all your ratting, mining, and industry income and pay the appropriate ISK tax each quarter ontop of the in-game corporate level tax mechanic. how do you calculate your members income? you can;t You rely on self reporting and voluntary payment backed up by using the API keys to make sure they aren't lying.
so make an alliance and see if it works. shrugs |
Prince Sanguine
114
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Posted - 2014.03.30 07:34:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:DaReaper wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Prince Sanguine wrote:Well if my income doesn't come from ratting or sites why should I be taxed? I like holding people hostage and making them ransom. It seems like you should join a terribad alliance that makes their corps pay per member just so you can have a massive list of people you can't shoot I'm not talking about in-game taxes collected by game mechanics, I am asking why no alliance has set up a revenue service and required individual income taxes to be filed by all members or they will be penalized. It seems like good emergent gameplay and a great income source for the alliance. So you'd have to declare all your ratting, mining, and industry income and pay the appropriate ISK tax each quarter ontop of the in-game corporate level tax mechanic. how do you calculate your members income? you can;t You rely on self reporting and voluntary payment backed up by using the API keys to make sure they aren't lying.
You couldn't keep track and no one would want to take the extra time doing something so ridiculous every time they rat. It's a game, not a job. Everytime you read this you are required to send 100 million isk directly to me. |
Catherine Wolfisheim
Born Crazy
38
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Posted - 2014.03.30 07:37:00 -
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I just feel that's something that could only work for a niche group that has an established, secure economy and can make demands outs of its membership. First, and foremost such an alliance would end up having the obligation to provide security to the pilot that fills additional alliance taxes set by the alliance per s+¬. Secondly, any alliance that would tax its pilots should also have the responsibility of providing transparency on the information regarding this additional taxation for discouragement towards any scam within the alliance. Finally, all this information about where is the money from, where it goes or where it is invested must be publicly and freely shared within the alliance.
Following those three rules it would be possible for a well-established alliance to define its own taxation in a respectable manner towards its pilots. The difficulty comes at introducing a new level of bureaucracy between the pilots and their alliance, hence it could cause potential disappointment from the pilots for a time. (Could be a short time, could be a long time, could lead the alliance to demise) |
Hesod Adee
Kiwis In Space
299
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Posted - 2014.03.30 07:45:00 -
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The reason why is very simple. In Eve, taxes are paid by PAYE. So there is no need to manually file a tax return because it is all done automatically. |
masternerdguy
State Protectorate Caldari State
1528
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Posted - 2014.03.30 07:50:00 -
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Hesod Adee wrote:The reason why is very simple. In Eve, taxes are paid by PAYE. So there is no need to manually file a tax return because it is all done automatically.
That tax is only applied on ISK earned through missions, bounties, etc. It does not apply to industry tasks, ore mined, and other incomes. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20310
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Posted - 2014.03.30 07:50:00 -
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Because then the alliance would have to have someone at hand to audit all the returns, and apparently, griefing isn't allowed in this game. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1025
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Posted - 2014.03.30 07:55:00 -
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The Goons charge a stupidity tax at recruitment.
Its a stupidity tax in that anyone who pays it is stupid.
It's followed soon after by the clone tax. They pod you back to a fresh clone and keep all your stuff.
I think more Corps should implement similar tax systems (just dont impersonate a Goon or Chribba while doung it). .. |
Catherine Wolfisheim
Born Crazy
38
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Posted - 2014.03.30 07:56:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:The Goons charge a stupidity tax at recruitment.
Its a stupidity tax in that anyone who pays it is stupid.
It's followed soon after by the clone tax. They pod you back to a fresh clone and keep all your stuff.
I think more Corps should implement similar tax systems (just dont impersonate a Goon or Chribba while doung it). However, you can call them stupid, but they hold their clutches on the game when compared to the competition. There must be something they do right. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
1504
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Posted - 2014.03.30 07:59:00 -
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Well there is the 2 mil "tax"/payment for corp per month for any alliance. |
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Catherine Wolfisheim
Born Crazy
38
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Posted - 2014.03.30 08:00:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Well there is the 2 mil "tax"/payment for corp per month for any alliance. Let's be honest, two million ISK is cheap change for the kind of corporations and alliances we are talking about right now. |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
676
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Posted - 2014.03.30 08:00:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:...Since a lot of people don't get it, in the USA you have to file an income...
lol who cares?
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Taal Khurin
Happy Asteroid Ltd
135
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Posted - 2014.03.30 08:49:00 -
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Tax returns in space would just give the EVE-Haters more ammunition hehe. |
Goa Chai
20
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Posted - 2014.03.30 09:11:00 -
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Sure let's have internet spaceship income tax, and while we're at it maybe we should also force people to sign up for a medical clone brokerage service run on a website built by the Goons, and if you refuse you have to pay 10% of your wallet every month to help cover the medical clone costs of bad pvpers who constantly get podded. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
2777
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Posted - 2014.03.30 09:24:00 -
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Good way to find out the true numbers of mission income in your corp before deciding who to cut loose and who to gank *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Facebook would never tolerate that behaviour we are talking about" - Big Lynx |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
877
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Posted - 2014.03.30 09:35:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Prince Sanguine wrote:Well if my income doesn't come from ratting or sites why should I be taxed? I like holding people hostage and making them ransom. It seems like you should join a terribad alliance that makes their corps pay per member just so you can have a massive list of people you can't shoot I'm not talking about in-game taxes collected by game mechanics, I am asking why no alliance has set up a revenue service and required individual income taxes to be filed by all members or they will be penalized. It seems like good emergent gameplay and a great income source for the alliance. So you'd have to declare all your ratting, mining, and industry income and pay the appropriate ISK tax each quarter ontop of the in-game corporate level tax mechanic.
The way that work is. Step 1 - pithum a-type invuln field drops. Step 2 - leave corp.
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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
176
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Posted - 2014.03.30 09:38:00 -
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Or try the Finnish version YOU tell at the beginning of the taxation year how much in a year you assume you earn and choose your tax from the income scale and surplus income will be taken at 60% and returned to you near 2 YEARS after right before Christmas. The tax scale can be changed if you suddenly earn more then you anticipated and should you earn less then anticipated you might be dropped to a lower scale and you get your tax refunds again at Christmas near 2 years later.
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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1404
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Posted - 2014.03.30 09:56:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:... in the USA you have to file an income tax return with the IRS if you made any money during the year, and the IRS uses this to determine how much you owe them. So why doesn't a nullsec alliance set up their own equivalent and make members fill out tax forms to determine how much ISK they owe the alliance? maybe because 0.0-sec alliances have no Liberty Statue?
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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WASPY69
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
228
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Posted - 2014.03.30 11:14:00 -
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But then, who will take on the role of the IRS plebs within the game to come evaluate and seize your assets if you fail to file the tax return and/or refuse? And who is to stop me from pointing my guns straight to their faces telling them to choke on it? |
Catherine Wolfisheim
Born Crazy
39
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Posted - 2014.03.30 11:20:00 -
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WASPY69 wrote:But then, who will take on the role of the IRS plebs within the game to come evaluate and seize your assets if you fail to file the tax return and/or refuse? And who is to stop me from pointing my guns straight to their faces telling them to choke on it? Indeed, nothing, just the possibility of being out-manned, out-gunned and cast out in the middle of a wormhole. |
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