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Hevymetal
POT Corp Semper Ardens Alliance
227
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Posted - 2014.03.31 17:16:00 -
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With all the crazy laws being passed in various countries. What would the ramifications be if noone's real identity could remain hidden? Kinda like China already, but to a greater extent.
Would most Eve players remain sadistic psychos or would their attitudes and playstyles change? Would you still gank and pod that helpless miner knowing he could very well track you down in real life?
How much of a difference would it make in the Eve universe knowing (PlayerX) is really John Doe? How many players would continue to actually play? Would it mean the death of Eve as we know it or merely an evolution to a nicer universe? |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
4785
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Posted - 2014.03.31 17:18:00 -
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If 'EVE is real" meant we all had to play under our real life identity, this would be a whole different game.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Toshiro Ozuwara
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
627
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Posted - 2014.03.31 17:19:00 -
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Accountability and social pressure are huge forces in shaping personal behavior. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays.
GRRR Gallente |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
11664
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Posted - 2014.03.31 17:19:00 -
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People would know what a nice guy I am in RL, and my reputation would be ruined.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5661
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Posted - 2014.03.31 17:22:00 -
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Hevymetal wrote:With all the crazy laws being passed in various countries. What would the ramifications be if noone's real identity could remain hidden? Kinda like China already, but to a greater extent.
Would most Eve players remain sadistic psychos or would their attitudes and playstyles change? Would you still gank and pod that helpless miner knowing he could very well track you down in real life?
How much of a difference would it make in the Eve universe knowing (PlayerX) is really John Doe? How many players would continue to actually play? Would it mean the death of Eve as we know it or merely an evolution to a nicer universe?
So you think forcing people to use their real names would make for a nicer community?
I see someone has never spent 5 seconds on Facebook. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
110674
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Posted - 2014.03.31 17:22:00 -
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Whatever happened to the Moon Mining investor guy who made a FanFest presentation, and actually revealed his Toon Name onstage ???? "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Hevymetal
POT Corp Semper Ardens Alliance
227
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Posted - 2014.03.31 17:28:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Hevymetal wrote:With all the crazy laws being passed in various countries. What would the ramifications be if noone's real identity could remain hidden? Kinda like China already, but to a greater extent.
Would most Eve players remain sadistic psychos or would their attitudes and playstyles change? Would you still gank and pod that helpless miner knowing he could very well track you down in real life?
How much of a difference would it make in the Eve universe knowing (PlayerX) is really John Doe? How many players would continue to actually play? Would it mean the death of Eve as we know it or merely an evolution to a nicer universe? So you think forcing people to use their real names would make for a nicer community? I see someone has not spent so much as 5 seconds on Facebook.
Not at all. Just wondering others opinions.
What is this "Facebook" thing you speak of?
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4273
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Posted - 2014.03.31 17:32:00 -
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Judging by my various inboxes, I'd be dead several times over and my corpse thoroughly desecrated. And not like, cut off an ear for a trophy desecrated, either, the serious stuff. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Masuka Taredi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
68
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Posted - 2014.03.31 17:37:00 -
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I don't think it would change anything. Tbh it's a game. If someone was angry enough at what is happening in game to do something in real life to the person that annoyed them. Then they have some issues to sort through. |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra Gallente Federation
103
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Posted - 2014.03.31 17:39:00 -
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Hevymetal wrote:
Would most Eve players remain sadistic psychos or would their attitudes and playstyles change? Would you still gank and pod that helpless miner knowing he could very well track you down in real life?
Hell yeah, miners are nothing but talk IN GAME, let alone they'/d actually do something IRL.
But all kidding aside, I'd stop playing the game.
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Kiryen O'Bannon
Thrall Nation Brave Collective
109
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Posted - 2014.03.31 17:41:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Hevymetal wrote:With all the crazy laws being passed in various countries. What would the ramifications be if noone's real identity could remain hidden? Kinda like China already, but to a greater extent.
Would most Eve players remain sadistic psychos or would their attitudes and playstyles change? Would you still gank and pod that helpless miner knowing he could very well track you down in real life?
How much of a difference would it make in the Eve universe knowing (PlayerX) is really John Doe? How many players would continue to actually play? Would it mean the death of Eve as we know it or merely an evolution to a nicer universe? So you think forcing people to use their real names would make for a nicer community? I see someone has not spent so much as 5 seconds on Facebook.
He didn't assert that. He asked a question. I see someone just cannot stop distorting things. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
110677
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Posted - 2014.03.31 17:49:00 -
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Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:
He didn't assert that. He asked a question. I see someone just cannot stop distorting things.
No, it's legitimate.
I unsubbed from Facebook about 3 years ago. The experience was horrific.
And the idiocy was caused by people I had known since the age of 13. My very high school graduating class folks, if you can believe that.
They were using FB to organize our reunion (1983), and about half of them (this is Texas) got involved in the stupid Tea Party Nonsense.
My good lord....the hatred and scumbaggery these people revealed. And they would just not stop with the incessant propaganda.
People will always distort Internet groups of any kind towards their own agenda.
I can never ever be in a room with those people again.
Internet anonymity or non-anonymity.....it all turns out exactly the same. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14915
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Posted - 2014.03.31 17:52:00 -
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Hevymetal wrote:With all the crazy laws being passed in various countries. What would the ramifications be if noone's real identity could remain hidden? Kinda like China already, but to a greater extent.
Would most Eve players remain sadistic psychos or would their attitudes and playstyles change? Would you still gank and pod that helpless miner knowing he could very well track you down in real life?
How much of a difference would it make in the Eve universe knowing (PlayerX) is really John Doe? How many players would continue to actually play? Would it mean the death of Eve as we know it or merely an evolution to a nicer universe?
Well now, let's see. What this question clearly pre-supposes are consequences for doing something online that someone doesn't like.
Now let's assume that Player A - the non-sociopath has said or done something that makes he and Player B - the sociopath in antagonism.
Which player is at greater risk of something really unpleasant happening to him in real life, do you think? The normal person or the dead-eyed sadistic nutbar?
Oh I know, let's obviate this unpleasant train of thought by maybe not thoughtlessly advocating vigiliante justice, maybe?
1 Kings 12:11
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Captain Stupid
Citalopram Appreciation Society
81
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Posted - 2014.03.31 17:55:00 -
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My wife says there is no difference between my name here and real life. |
Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
324
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:00:00 -
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You pose an interesting idea, I guess. Once, during a basketball game, I threw an elbow on a guy that broke his glasses in two across his face. Sure, I was charged with a foul, then a technical foul. The guy was more shocked than mad. In fact, my mom was the maddest person in the crowd over that. She started yelling at me and the entire gym fell silent. Spooky. But, only one of many such incidents in a long set of years playing various sports. Why mention it?
Well, I figure the guy probably had every right to drive over to my house call me out on the front porch and punch me in the nose. Had he done that, or tried, I wouldn't have been shocked. Even though we lived just a few miles apart, the thought never entered the guy's mind. Never entered mine either. I didn't sit in the house tremblin' that this power forward was comin' for me. I think it'd be stupid to think so. What was done on the court, stayed on the court...or field...diamond...
Maybe if I'd taken a pistol out there and shot him. Or, had some of my friends mug him on the way to the locker room at half time, that'd be a different story. Thing was, nobody ever thought like that, either. The game is the game. Off the field is off the field. The two don't mix. I guess you're askin' if that's true for EVE. It would be for me. Other players? Probably not. See, there's not a lot of sportsmanship in EVE. There's not a lot of discipline, and really (face it), EVE has become something any fool can do. Ask them. They're all over the place now.
I look at it like, in this world of random violence and crime, my home security has to be at a certain level not to be a fool myself. If anyone comes to my door uninvited, that's what they'd be looking at. In all likelihood, it's not something a rational person would want to be looking at. If anyone's that dumb...well, there you go. I'd recommend EVE players follow a general rule of thumb in life itself. Don't go knockin' on a door if you don't know what's behind it. Some surprises are not fun. Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to. |
Anslo
Scope Works
4628
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:05:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Hevymetal wrote:With all the crazy laws being passed in various countries. What would the ramifications be if noone's real identity could remain hidden? Kinda like China already, but to a greater extent.
Would most Eve players remain sadistic psychos or would their attitudes and playstyles change? Would you still gank and pod that helpless miner knowing he could very well track you down in real life?
How much of a difference would it make in the Eve universe knowing (PlayerX) is really John Doe? How many players would continue to actually play? Would it mean the death of Eve as we know it or merely an evolution to a nicer universe? Well now, let's see. What this question clearly pre-supposes are consequences for doing something online that someone doesn't like. Now let's assume that Player A - the non-sociopath has said or done something that makes he and Player B - the sociopath in antagonism. Which player is at greater risk of something really unpleasant happening to him in real life, do you think? The normal person or the dead-eyed sadistic nutbar? Oh I know, let's obviate this unpleasant train of thought by maybe not thoughtlessly advocating vigiliante justice, maybe? Or maybe you could not try and make negative assumptions on the OPs intent. He's just asking a gods damn question jeesh.
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Dave Stark
4839
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:07:00 -
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nothing would change. if you want to harass me IRL for what i do in game, there's a solution for that.
besides, lack of anonymity would work both ways. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14915
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:14:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Malcanis wrote:Hevymetal wrote:With all the crazy laws being passed in various countries. What would the ramifications be if noone's real identity could remain hidden? Kinda like China already, but to a greater extent.
Would most Eve players remain sadistic psychos or would their attitudes and playstyles change? Would you still gank and pod that helpless miner knowing he could very well track you down in real life?
How much of a difference would it make in the Eve universe knowing (PlayerX) is really John Doe? How many players would continue to actually play? Would it mean the death of Eve as we know it or merely an evolution to a nicer universe? Well now, let's see. What this question clearly pre-supposes are consequences for doing something online that someone doesn't like. Now let's assume that Player A - the non-sociopath has said or done something that makes he and Player B - the sociopath in antagonism. Which player is at greater risk of something really unpleasant happening to him in real life, do you think? The normal person or the dead-eyed sadistic nutbar? Oh I know, let's obviate this unpleasant train of thought by maybe not thoughtlessly advocating vigiliante justice, maybe? Or maybe you could not try and make negative assumptions on the OPs intent. He's just asking a gods damn question jeesh.
His question is laden with what is called an implicit assumption.
Like when someone - perhaps full of good intentions - says "Well what if we tried to reduce the Federal deficit by eliminating welfare spending" when every dollar the US spends on welfare generates 2.4 dollars in GNP, and saves a large but unknown amount of spending on defending against the starving ramaging hordes who would simply take the food and goods they need, because no one is willing to starve to improve interest rates.. The intention is good, the assumption is understandable on a superficial level, but a moment's thought reveals the huge error.
I hope you see the analogy.
1 Kings 12:11
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5668
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:15:00 -
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Pok Nibin wrote:You pose an interesting idea, I guess. Once, during a basketball game, I threw an elbow on a guy that broke his glasses in two across his face. Sure, I was charged with a foul, then a technical foul. The guy was more shocked than mad. In fact, my mom was the maddest person in the crowd over that. She started yelling at me and the entire gym fell silent. Spooky. But, only one of many such incidents in a long set of years playing various sports. Why mention it?
Well, I figure the guy probably had every right to drive over to my house call me out on the front porch and punch me in the nose. Had he done that, or tried, I wouldn't have been shocked. Even though we lived just a few miles apart, the thought never entered the guy's mind. Never entered mine either. I didn't sit in the house tremblin' that this power forward was comin' for me. I think it'd be stupid to think so. What was done on the court, stayed on the court...or field...diamond...
Maybe if I'd taken a pistol out there and shot him. Or, had some of my friends mug him on the way to the locker room at half time, that'd be a different story. Thing was, nobody ever thought like that, either. The game is the game. Off the field is off the field. The two don't mix. I guess you're askin' if that's true for EVE. It would be for me. Other players? Probably not. See, there's not a lot of sportsmanship in EVE. There's not a lot of discipline, and really (face it), EVE has become something any fool can do. Ask them. They're all over the place now.
I look at it like, in this world of random violence and crime, my home security has to be at a certain level not to be a fool myself. If anyone comes to my door uninvited, that's what they'd be looking at. In all likelihood, it's not something a rational person would want to be looking at. If anyone's that dumb...well, there you go. I'd recommend EVE players follow a general rule of thumb in life itself. Don't go knockin' on a door if you don't know what's behind it. Some surprises are not fun.
I know where your coming from lol. I too live in one of those states where "gun control" means "hold it with 2 hands, you're more accurate that way" :) .
And sure, we know there are people online who can't separate in game from out. We see it every day on these forums.
But i think some people have it backwards. The game might be nicer, but it wouldn't be because the predators went way, it would be because the prey wouldn't come at all. IMO it's really the so called "nice guy" gamers that need and use the anonymity of the internet, the so called sociopaths don't give a flying flip if someone knows who they are or not.
IMO it's why you don't see very many self identified high sec player or carebears running for the CSM (for example) while the same CSM is stocked with "griefiers" and members of the legendary and all powerful Null Sec Cartels (lol) who give their real names out as a condition of running.
So yea, EVE would be nicer is people had to use their real identities because the only people left would be the kinds who wouldn't be some incredibly oversensitive to imaginary losses that 'griefing' would be pointless.
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Anslo
Scope Works
4630
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:17:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Anslo wrote:Malcanis wrote:Hevymetal wrote:With all the crazy laws being passed in various countries. What would the ramifications be if noone's real identity could remain hidden? Kinda like China already, but to a greater extent.
Would most Eve players remain sadistic psychos or would their attitudes and playstyles change? Would you still gank and pod that helpless miner knowing he could very well track you down in real life?
How much of a difference would it make in the Eve universe knowing (PlayerX) is really John Doe? How many players would continue to actually play? Would it mean the death of Eve as we know it or merely an evolution to a nicer universe? Well now, let's see. What this question clearly pre-supposes are consequences for doing something online that someone doesn't like. Now let's assume that Player A - the non-sociopath has said or done something that makes he and Player B - the sociopath in antagonism. Which player is at greater risk of something really unpleasant happening to him in real life, do you think? The normal person or the dead-eyed sadistic nutbar? Oh I know, let's obviate this unpleasant train of thought by maybe not thoughtlessly advocating vigiliante justice, maybe? Or maybe you could not try and make negative assumptions on the OPs intent. He's just asking a gods damn question jeesh. His question is laden with what is called an implicit assumption. Like when someone - perhaps full of good intentions - says "Well what if we tried to reduce the Federal deficit by eliminating welfare spending" when every dollar the US spends on welfare generates 2.4 dollars in GNP, and saves a large but unknown amount of spending on defending against the starving ramaging hordes who would simply take the food and goods they need, because no one is willing to starve to improve interest rates.. The intention is good, the assumption is understandable on a superficial level, but a moment's thought reveals the huge error. I hope you see the analogy.
Sadly I do....aah Amurrica...
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Nuela
Beacon Light Corporation Beacon Light Alliance
235
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:21:00 -
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Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Accountability and social pressure are huge forces in shaping personal behavior.
I would be tempted to go trash a gankers car if they lived nearby....you know...for the lulz.
:)
:P
I could also make sure that anyone I hire for my department are not Goons. You may think this is a long shot but I found out I almost hired a Goon last year! (he was hired by someone I know and found this out over beers in a pub)
:)
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
75
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:25:00 -
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People would have to act right or not, but I'd push for no alts. That would actually push for people like criminals and everyone else would have to rely on others rather than having an account for everything, or train skills if they wanted to do different jobs like me buy I still need other people like the incursion fleet I fc to do sites, or actual coordination in combat. Etc. "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mine" -Dr. Smith |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4273
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:26:00 -
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Nuela wrote:Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Accountability and social pressure are huge forces in shaping personal behavior. I would be tempted to go trash a gankers car if they lived nearby....you know...for the lulz. :) :P I could also make sure that anyone I hire for my department are not Goons. You may think this is a long shot but I found out I almost hired a Goon last year! (he was hired by someone I know and found this out over beers in a pub) Good thing I found out and nixed that! :) :P
Remember guys, the gankers are the ones who are supposed to be the bad people. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
75
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:27:00 -
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Bump "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mine" -Dr. Smith |
Nuela
Beacon Light Corporation Beacon Light Alliance
235
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:28:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Nuela wrote:Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Accountability and social pressure are huge forces in shaping personal behavior. I would be tempted to go trash a gankers car if they lived nearby....you know...for the lulz. :) :P I could also make sure that anyone I hire for my department are not Goons. You may think this is a long shot but I found out I almost hired a Goon last year! (he was hired by someone I know and found this out over beers in a pub) Good thing I found out and nixed that! :) :P Remember guys, the gankers are the ones who are supposed to be the bad people.
I am KIDDING! Notice the faces? :) |
Mildew Wolf
166
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:30:00 -
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Even fewer girls would play |
MiniWeasel
The Arrow Project
2
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:42:00 -
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Pok Nibin wrote: The game is the game.
Not everyone thinks that way. Some are super srs. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5669
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:46:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Anslo wrote:Malcanis wrote:Hevymetal wrote:With all the crazy laws being passed in various countries. What would the ramifications be if noone's real identity could remain hidden? Kinda like China already, but to a greater extent.
Would most Eve players remain sadistic psychos or would their attitudes and playstyles change? Would you still gank and pod that helpless miner knowing he could very well track you down in real life?
How much of a difference would it make in the Eve universe knowing (PlayerX) is really John Doe? How many players would continue to actually play? Would it mean the death of Eve as we know it or merely an evolution to a nicer universe? Well now, let's see. What this question clearly pre-supposes are consequences for doing something online that someone doesn't like. Now let's assume that Player A - the non-sociopath has said or done something that makes he and Player B - the sociopath in antagonism. Which player is at greater risk of something really unpleasant happening to him in real life, do you think? The normal person or the dead-eyed sadistic nutbar? Oh I know, let's obviate this unpleasant train of thought by maybe not thoughtlessly advocating vigiliante justice, maybe? Or maybe you could not try and make negative assumptions on the OPs intent. He's just asking a gods damn question jeesh. His question is laden with what is called an implicit assumption. Like when someone - perhaps full of good intentions - says "Well what if we tried to reduce the Federal deficit by eliminating welfare spending" when every dollar the US spends on welfare generates 2.4 dollars in GNP, and saves a large but unknown amount of spending on defending against the starving ramaging hordes who would simply take the food and goods they need, because no one is willing to starve to improve interest rates.. The intention is good, the assumption is understandable on a superficial level, but a moment's thought reveals the huge error. I hope you see the analogy.
You sound like won of dem damn Libruls. We don like yer kind 'round here son. *cocks shotgun*
And now for the national anthem.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4277
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:47:00 -
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Nuela wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Nuela wrote:Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Accountability and social pressure are huge forces in shaping personal behavior. I would be tempted to go trash a gankers car if they lived nearby....you know...for the lulz. :) :P I could also make sure that anyone I hire for my department are not Goons. You may think this is a long shot but I found out I almost hired a Goon last year! (he was hired by someone I know and found this out over beers in a pub) Good thing I found out and nixed that! :) :P Remember guys, the gankers are the ones who are supposed to be the bad people. I am KIDDING! Notice the faces? :)
Depending on which kind of sarcasm you read it with mentally, the statement still applies, oddly enough. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Nuela
Beacon Light Corporation Beacon Light Alliance
240
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:51:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Nuela wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Nuela wrote:Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Accountability and social pressure are huge forces in shaping personal behavior. I would be tempted to go trash a gankers car if they lived nearby....you know...for the lulz. :) :P I could also make sure that anyone I hire for my department are not Goons. You may think this is a long shot but I found out I almost hired a Goon last year! (he was hired by someone I know and found this out over beers in a pub) Good thing I found out and nixed that! :) :P Remember guys, the gankers are the ones who are supposed to be the bad people. I am KIDDING! Notice the faces? :) Depending on which kind of sarcasm you read it with mentally, the statement still applies, oddly enough.
LOL...true that. |
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