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Anthar Thebess
REPUBLIKA ORLA C0VEN
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Posted - 2014.04.01 07:05:00 -
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Remove ability to produce combat capital ships on lowsec stations. Only Poses and nullsec "shipyards".
This will be good addon to upcoming refinery nerf. Isthar Changes LVL 5 Missions in Nullspace |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2014.04.01 07:23:00 -
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Sure thing. Do you want something else that only 00 sov holders can do and where they can dictate the prices and exploit the rest of the community? Maybe disallow invention in High and Low sec POS, or make it in general even more uneconomical than it already is if done in High sec or Low sec? Or make mining an act that makes you suspect in High sec (stolen from here)? What about making production of all the things in High sec and Low sec even more expensive, so that only 00 holders (read: not even NPC 00 dewellers) can dictate the market prices. Or how about even less income for mission runners? Or how about a suspect tag for freighter pilots when they undock so that they have to have a group of "friends" forced to fly with them all the time to prevent the even easier PVP opportunity?
Have I missed something where 00 dwellers cannot dictate their stupid ideals already on other players? |
HiddenPorpoise
Under Dark
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Posted - 2014.04.01 07:26:00 -
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If we do that we can't dream that null can be dislodged by the outside anymore. |
Anthar Thebess
REPUBLIKA ORLA C0VEN
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Posted - 2014.04.01 07:28:00 -
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You can still build them at pos in lowsec. Just remove the safety of constructing them on lowsec stations. Isthar Changes LVL 5 Missions in Nullspace |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2014.04.01 07:32:00 -
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Which makes it pointless because of drastically increased cost. \o/ My argument stands.
Also, if we remove this safety from Low sec, all Player Outposts in 00 also cannot be used to build any caps in 00 sec. Simple. |
HiddenPorpoise
Under Dark
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Posted - 2014.04.01 07:36:00 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:You can still build them at pos in lowsec. Just remove the safety of constructing them on lowsec stations. You vastly underestimate how easy it would be to siege nearly every cap building pos in low before they finish. They take 2 weeks each ship. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2014.04.01 07:37:00 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:You can still build them at pos in lowsec. Just remove the safety of constructing them on lowsec stations.
How the hell is this a good idea? Can you put forth an actual argument? |
Anthar Thebess
REPUBLIKA ORLA C0VEN
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Posted - 2014.04.01 07:49:00 -
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This will be good addon to upcoming refinery nerf. Will put more content to game - you have to defend those poses.
In NPC nullsec any one can access the stations and use their lines. Yes some of the sov stations will be able to build capital ships.
We don't have to remove this ability from all the stations in lowsec, but limit it also to specific class : shipyard.
This will be also interesting from WH perspective.
Wh having static to nullsec will have new possibility : Build safely capital ships and seed them by WH. Isthar Changes LVL 5 Missions in Nullspace |
Arthur Aihaken
Arsenite
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Posted - 2014.04.01 07:50:00 -
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HiddenPorpoise wrote:If we do that we can't dream that null can be dislodged by the outside anymore. The operative word in this statement... I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
345
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Posted - 2014.04.01 07:58:00 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:This will be good addon to upcoming refinery nerf. Will put more content to game - you have to defend those poses.
In NPC nullsec any one can access the stations and use their lines. Yes some of the sov stations will be able to build capital ships.
We don't have to remove this ability from all the stations in lowsec, but limit it also to specific class : shipyard.
This will be also interesting from WH perspective.
Wh having static to nullsec will have new possibility : Build safely capital ships and seed them by WH.
No, they won't because there is no station labled shipyard in Sov 00. So no Player Outpost is able to build caps after this change. Period. I don't see why 00 dwellers should be treated better than players who live in High or Low sec. I can agree to the limitation to build caps in ship yards, because it makes sense. But since there is no shipyard station in 00 Sov, no one should be able to build caps in these outposts. |
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Anthar Thebess
REPUBLIKA ORLA C0VEN
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Posted - 2014.04.01 08:07:00 -
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Yes they are stations named shipyards and many of them : http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/A4UG-O "True Creations Shipyard" Isthar Changes LVL 5 Missions in Nullspace |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2014.04.01 08:09:00 -
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That is NPC 00, not Sov 00. I am talking about Sov 00. |
HiddenPorpoise
Under Dark
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Posted - 2014.04.01 08:32:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:HiddenPorpoise wrote:If we do that we can't dream that null can be dislodged by the outside anymore. The operative word in this statement... I put it in knowingly, as it stands it can atleast be poked pretty hard.
I don't think you've done WH stuff or mining if you think carriers would be pouring out of static nulls. Cap arrays basically demand to be killed in WHs. |
Anthar Thebess
REPUBLIKA ORLA C0VEN
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Posted - 2014.04.01 08:34:00 -
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This is whole idea of this change. More content.
Isthar Changes LVL 5 Missions in Nullspace |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
345
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Posted - 2014.04.01 08:38:00 -
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I don't see more content. I only see more easy kills for those who cannot do better but to score easy kills. |
Arthur Aihaken
Arsenite
3170
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Posted - 2014.04.01 09:15:00 -
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HiddenPorpoise wrote:The operative word in this statementGǪ I put it in knowingly, as it stands it can atleast be poked pretty hard. I don't think you've done WH stuff or mining if you think carriers would be pouring out of static nulls. Cap arrays basically demand to be killed in WHs. Oh, I harbor no illusions that wormholes would be any kind of substitute for low-sec. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Anthar Thebess
REPUBLIKA ORLA C0VEN
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Posted - 2014.04.01 09:27:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:[quote=HiddenPorpoise] While I appreciate that, you'd be effectively handing null-sec the keys to the galaxy.
You cannot use capitals in higsec.
Isthar Changes LVL 5 Missions in Nullspace |
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
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Posted - 2014.04.01 10:01:00 -
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Just what LowSec needs another reason not to live there, that combined with the handing over of a virtual capital ship production monopoly to the major Null sec powerblocs is a plan with just has no downsides........for them.
Oh and for the OP's information any POS with a capital ship construction array in LowSec is dead meat, always has been always will be. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
Anthar Thebess
REPUBLIKA ORLA C0VEN
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Posted - 2014.04.01 10:06:00 -
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Sorry, but sitting on lowsec station , reprocessing stuff that someone hauls, and building capitals IS NOT living in lowsec.
Maybe instead allow building of capitals on militia owned stations. Their status have to be in specified level - this will put more pressure for militia for keeping their systems not farming them. Isthar Changes LVL 5 Missions in Nullspace |
seth Hendar
I love you miners
507
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Posted - 2014.04.01 10:14:00 -
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HiddenPorpoise wrote:If we do that we can't dream that null can be dislodged by the outside anymore. wondering where you have ben the last 3 years, but this is pretty much were we already are now..... |
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Arthur Aihaken
Arsenite
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Posted - 2014.04.01 11:41:00 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:You cannot use capitals in higsec. I really don't think you've thought this through. Without the ability to produce capitals at stations in low-sec, how long do you think small independent corporations would be able to hang onto their POS? Elimination and replacement of these POS would virtually ensure dominance of capital construction for null-sec alliances. As the other gentleman pointed out: Do you think construction is going to instead move to wormhole space? I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2014.04.01 12:02:00 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:Sorry, but sitting on lowsec station , reprocessing stuff that someone hauls, and building capitals IS NOT living in lowsec.
Maybe instead allow building of capitals on militia owned stations. Their status have to be in specified level - this will put more pressure for militia for keeping their systems not farming them.
Ah, right... And not using the space you own, sit in station all day or only hunt Havens, Forsaken Hubs and Sanctums with AFK Ishtars or Carriers certainly is living in 00. Oh, and driving other people out of business be sheer force and overwhelming power is certainly also living and playing the game properly. And of course this behavior is going to create endless streams of content and will make people so much more likely and willing to go to riskier places.
Really, sometimes the density of mankind is striking me by surprise. |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2014.04.01 12:38:00 -
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um, april fools? |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
346
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Posted - 2014.04.01 12:50:00 -
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April fools in here? With all the other threads with similar topics only differently worded? Hardly. |
Grarr Dexx
Snuff Box
330
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Posted - 2014.04.01 13:11:00 -
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Cause that's just what lowsec needs, even less reason to live there? |
HiddenPorpoise
Under Dark
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Posted - 2014.04.01 20:50:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:[quote=HiddenPorpoise]The operative word in this statementGǪ I put it in knowingly, as it stands it can atleast be poked pretty hard. I don't think you've done WH stuff or mining if you think carriers would be pouring out of static nulls. Cap arrays basically demand to be killed in WHs. I was refering to op. |
Anthar Thebess
REPUBLIKA ORLA C0VEN
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Posted - 2014.04.02 06:24:00 -
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And bump. Mining barges getting nerf, time to limit production slots for capitals. Isthar Changes LVL 5 Missions in Nullspace |
Arthur Aihaken
Arsenite
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Posted - 2014.04.02 08:50:00 -
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I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Karma Anstian
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.04.03 06:12:00 -
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it's already plenty dangerous to build caps in lowsec. (See importing materials to the station to build it.)
You didn't think this through really. You're only reason is to make it more dangerous and increase costs while lowering costs for Null sec. The risk is already there for lowsec
Sov Null gets Fuel bonus for Pos's. Which would effectively lower the cost to build the caps as well as build in relative safety. Meanwhile you directly increase the cost to build caps in lowsec as well as exposing them to even greater risk. Win win for Null, lose lose for Lowsec.
Lowsec needs more of a draw not nerfs to make living there even more annoying and costly |
Anthar Thebess
REPUBLIKA ORLA C0VEN
373
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Posted - 2014.04.03 07:02:00 -
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Many nullsec alliances build their capitals in lowsec because it is safer than Null, and it is much more easy and cheeper to transfer there materials.
Many people build this way supers. Supers in lowsec?!
You build easily capital hulls, put some fuel , jump to destination null sec. Reprocess to parts , and use them for constructing super capitals.
Tons, tons of logistics is gone.
When ccp proposed refinery nerf - their goal was to increase of importance for nullsec miner groups.
Without this change , all current capital production will shift to lowsec station, as moving there minerals from higsec will be much more easy.
Just move minerals to closest station in higsec, place cyno on lowsec station , and use JF to haul stuff - as this station will have "higsec" gate in system, whole operation will be fast and safe.
Change that im proposing will limit this kind of abuse.
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