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Ryann Padecain
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.01 11:15:00 -
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Can we turn this around as a community?
What I feel is fair to say:
- Sokhor does not feel like a victim (come on, let's not go so far to say this is a stockholm syndrome.. seriously)
- The bonus room has been going on for quite awhile before this event.
- Without the attention it has gotten, CCP wouldn't have to fear for bad press and take extreme action.
- Erotica 1 may of gone too far this time.
Scamming spying and all the dirty things are a part of EVE, carebear or not I think we can all agree on that. These things all take part of the meta game as much as they do in the actual game. I feel that if Erotica 1 was actually warned by CCP and/or asked to stop, he would of gladly done so if they felt it was truly bad for the game.
However much you hate Erotica 1 or feel what a sadistic person he is, we all know he is playing the scammer character to some extend and to be honest he represents that part of community fairly well, he is one of the bigger names who represent that side and it would be a little sad to see that go, we all know there is some roleplaying element here.
I don't actually know if Erotica 1's ban is permanent, but surely we can give the guy another chance, and not let the darker side of EVE's community die? |
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
648
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Posted - 2014.04.01 11:18:00 -
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I hope we dont end up with another 400 page thread about whether one player cruelly tormenting another is "bad or not " Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum
170
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Posted - 2014.04.01 11:18:00 -
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This'll probably got locked as a redundant thread.
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Seven Koskanaiken
The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans
1126
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Posted - 2014.04.01 11:19:00 -
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She still watches over her domain. |
Kirsi Kirjasto
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
69
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Posted - 2014.04.01 11:20:00 -
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"I would like to electrocute everyone who uses the word 'fair' in connection with CCP rule enforcement policies." - William F. Buckley, Jr |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1032
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Posted - 2014.04.01 11:21:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:I hope we dont end up with another 400 page thread about whether one player cruelly tormenting another is "bad or not " No, just another 400 threads. . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
2893
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Posted - 2014.04.01 11:21:00 -
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Life is not fair
Where were you ages 0-5? *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Facebook would never tolerate that behaviour we are talking about" - Big Lynx |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2982
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Posted - 2014.04.01 11:23:00 -
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Nope, ban all scamming. At the end of the day, every type of scamming and "not nice" behaviour is going to eventually be responsible for giving someone a sad, so why wait for victims to get hurt and then Ripard Teg to kick up a fuss about it. Why not preemptively prevent all future hurt by just banning scamming altogether? They should ban ransoms and unwanted PvP while they are at it, and that way we can be sure that no other person will be hurt.
WE should also think about changing HTFU to CTFU, for Cuddle The Fluff Up! And everyone should be given a free abaddon that has perma-fitted guns which do zero damage and automatically fire rainbow lasers out in random directions whenever you undock. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Timmy Sprinkles
Starfleet Homos
16
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Posted - 2014.04.01 11:24:00 -
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Ryann Padecain wrote:Can we turn this around as a community? What I feel is fair to say:
- Sokhor does not feel like a victim (come on, let's not go so far to say this is a stockholm syndrome.. seriously)
- The bonus room has been going on for quite awhile before this event.
- Without the attention it has gotten, CCP wouldn't have to fear for bad press and take extreme action.
- Erotica 1 may of gone too far this time.
Scamming spying and all the dirty things are a part of EVE, carebear or not I think we can all agree on that. These things all take part of the meta game as much as they do in the actual game. I feel that if Erotica 1 was actually warned by CCP and/or asked to stop, he would of gladly done so if they felt it was truly bad for the game. However much you hate Erotica 1 or feel what a sadistic person he is, we all know he is playing the scammer character to some extend and to be honest he represents that part of community fairly well, he is one of the bigger names who represent that side and it would be a little sad to see that go, we all know there is some roleplaying element here. I don't actually know if Erotica 1's ban is permanent, but surely we can give the guy another chance, and not let the darker side of EVE's community die?
No. And.
STFU AND GTFO. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
5164
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Posted - 2014.04.01 11:25:00 -
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Thread locked in 3... 2... 1...
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
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Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum
170
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Posted - 2014.04.01 11:25:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Life is not fair
Where were you ages 0-5?
Is it about life being fair, or is it about good business practices? As paying customers I don't think it unreasonable for anyone to expect to receive the very same treatment from the proprietor that any other paying customer would receive. Not everyone is getting equal service and protection for their equal payments.
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Forum Clone 77777
Do You Even Irony Broew
223
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Posted - 2014.04.01 11:27:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Nope, ban all scamming. At the end of the day, every type of scamming and "not nice" behaviour is going to eventually be responsible for giving someone a sad, so why wait for victims to get hurt and then Ripard Teg to kick up a fuss about it. Why not preemptively prevent all future hurt by just banning scamming altogether? They should ban ransoms and unwanted PvP while they are at it, and that way we can be sure that no other person will be hurt.
WE should also think about changing HTFU to CTFU, for Cuddle The Fluff Up! And everyone should be given a free abaddon that has perma-fitted guns which do zero damage and automatically fire rainbow lasers out in random directions whenever you undock. Itd also be nice it it had carebear or hello kitty paint job <3<3<3<3<3<<3<3 |
Ryann Padecain
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2014.04.01 11:30:00 -
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Hey all, put your troll and angry hats to the side for just a moment, everyone deserves a second chance? |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2014.04.01 11:31:00 -
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Ryann Padecain wrote:Hey all, put your troll and angry hats to the side for just a moment, everyone deserves a second chance? Mittani for CSM! |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
2893
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Posted - 2014.04.01 11:34:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Life is not fair Where were you ages 0-5? Is it about life being fair, or is it about good business practices? As paying customers I don't think it unreasonable for anyone to expect to receive the very same treatment from the proprietor that any other paying customer would receive. Not everyone is getting equal service and protection for their equal payments.
Because not everyone is equal *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Facebook would never tolerate that behaviour we are talking about" - Big Lynx |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17602
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Posted - 2014.04.01 11:41:00 -
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Timmy Sprinkles wrote:No. And.
STFU AND GTFO. Take your own advice, what's done is done, STFU about it and let it drop.
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Timmy Sprinkles
Starfleet Homos
16
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Posted - 2014.04.01 11:45:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Timmy Sprinkles wrote:No. And.
STFU AND GTFO. Take your own advice, what's done is done, STFU about it and let it drop.
They keep making posts about it, I'll keep posting the mantra. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17603
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Posted - 2014.04.01 11:48:00 -
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Timmy Sprinkles wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Timmy Sprinkles wrote:No. And.
STFU AND GTFO. Take your own advice, what's done is done, STFU about it and let it drop. They keep making posts about it, I'll keep posting the mantra. And thus the circle of shitposting continues.
Are you one of those people that think scamming etc should be removed from Eve, or are you just pounding the keyboard for the sake of pounding the keyboard?
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Sturmwolke
535
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Posted - 2014.04.01 11:52:00 -
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Go on. It's educational to read the different wheedling tactics being adopted in forum warfare :)
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Erica Dusette
Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate
5794
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Posted - 2014.04.01 11:54:00 -
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Nice thread title, OP.
There are real people in real prisons right now who whine less about their plight.
-áGÖí-á-á-áMajor (Ret.) Caldari Naval Militia Gÿá -á Sky Fighters | Just an innocent explorer! pâä Sith1s Spectre: "Here at Sky Fighters we respect quality forum PvPers." |
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Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum
172
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Posted - 2014.04.01 11:57:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Life is not fair Where were you ages 0-5? Is it about life being fair, or is it about good business practices? As paying customers I don't think it unreasonable for anyone to expect to receive the very same treatment from the proprietor that any other paying customer would receive. Not everyone is getting equal service and protection for their equal payments. Because not everyone is equal
Oh, I agree that not everyone is equal, I've often argued that point in rl political discussions. However, when doing business with a company, I think it reasonable to expect that everyone who pays the same price gets the same level and quality of service, or the same product.
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Sher Rayet
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2014.04.01 11:57:00 -
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Are we done yet people?
We just need 10 more threads. That's all.
If you sing another 20 threads this gets you closer. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
2895
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Posted - 2014.04.01 12:04:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote: Oh, I agree that not everyone is equal, I've often argued that point in rl political discussions. However, when doing business with a company, I think it reasonable to expect that everyone who pays the same price gets the same level and quality of service, or the same product.
Reasonable, probably. Right, eh again arguably yes, maybe. Practical? No, I cant agree, and I am sorry because I do see where you are coming from I really do, but protracting this argument is not a productive area. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Facebook would never tolerate that behaviour we are talking about" - Big Lynx |
Timmy Sprinkles
Starfleet Homos
23
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Posted - 2014.04.01 12:20:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Timmy Sprinkles wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Timmy Sprinkles wrote:No. And.
STFU AND GTFO. Take your own advice, what's done is done, STFU about it and let it drop. They keep making posts about it, I'll keep posting the mantra. And thus the circle of shitposting continues. Are you one of those people that think scamming etc should be removed from Eve, or are you just pounding the keyboard for the sake of pounding the keyboard? It's done, over, finished. Erotica has been banned for what I assume is taking things too far. Ripard got his witch hunt and tbh pushing his agenda in the way that he did, without bothering to consult Sokhar makes him as culpable as Erotica for any harm caused.
Scamming should absolutely be a part of EVE. EVE in and of itself should be unlimited. Take the IN game OUT of game? I don't mean shiat screaming FC on comms OUT of game, that happens. Calculated out of game entrapment? Different can of worms. If you scream N*GG*R on comms. Does that make that FC a racist? Yes. He used a racist term. That isn't just some magic word that person chose.
I'm not pounding the keyboard here. Reality Check Time is coming to EVE. CCP doesn't have to make these calls people. We do. There's a line in the sand that was drawn before any of us ever played this game. People are starting to **** all over that line now and think it's OK. |
Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
24
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Posted - 2014.04.01 12:22:00 -
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Ryann Padecain wrote: ... and it would be a little sad to see that go ...
nope, not at all^^ scamming is ok, Erotica 1 and the likes are not. Is it that hard to understand, really? |
Ryann Padecain
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2014.04.01 12:26:00 -
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It's a difficult line to cross when META gaming is such a big part of EVE, you can't deny this.
All I'm saying is, surely we can find deep in our hearts somewhere to forgive Erotica 1, like said in the OP I truly believe that Erotica 1 would stop the bonus room if CCP requested that to be done, and perhaps even take it down a notch in general.
I hate to create the 10000's thread regarding this, but hey I think he should be allowed to play the game, just like you and me, after all we're all going to disagree with each other but IMO that doesn't mean we should put the banhammer down so quickly, what ever happened to a gentle conversation (out-of-character)?
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Timmy Sprinkles
Starfleet Homos
23
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Posted - 2014.04.01 12:29:00 -
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Ryann Padecain wrote:It's a difficult line to cross when META gaming is such a big part of EVE, you can't deny this. All I'm saying is, surely we can find deep in our hearts somewhere to forgive Erotica 1, like said in the OP I truly believe that Erotica 1 would stop the bonus room if CCP requested that to be done, and perhaps even take it down a notch in general. I hate to create the 10000's thread regarding this, but hey I think he should be allowed to play the game, just like you and me, after all we're all going to disagree with each other but IMO that doesn't mean we should put the banhammer down so quickly, what ever happened to a gentle conversation (out-of-character)?
No.
Please find some rat poison to eat and stop posting. |
Timmy Sprinkles
Starfleet Homos
23
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Posted - 2014.04.01 12:29:00 -
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Timmy Sprinkles wrote:Ryann Padecain wrote:It's a difficult line to cross when META gaming is such a big part of EVE, you can't deny this. All I'm saying is, surely we can find deep in our hearts somewhere to forgive Erotica 1, like said in the OP I truly believe that Erotica 1 would stop the bonus room if CCP requested that to be done, and perhaps even take it down a notch in general. I hate to create the 10000's thread regarding this, but hey I think he should be allowed to play the game, just like you and me, after all we're all going to disagree with each other but IMO that doesn't mean we should put the banhammer down so quickly, what ever happened to a gentle conversation (out-of-character)? No. Please find some rat poison to eat and stop posting.
How's that for metagaming? The Bonus Room was one short stop from asking that.
I'm pretty sure I can create a TS3 and find some sadistic clowns to help me urge you to do so and record it and that would be totally fine by CCP. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
2899
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Posted - 2014.04.01 12:30:00 -
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Timmy Sprinkles wrote: I'm not pounding the keyboard here. Reality Check Time is coming to EVE. CCP doesn't have to make these calls people. We do. There's a line in the sand that was drawn before any of us ever played this game. People are starting to **** all over that line now and think it's OK.
CCP chose one form of action against one party, and the community have already actioned the appropriate response to the other. Therefore, tis done.
CCP then reiterated where they believed the line to be.
I dont understand why this is still considered an ongoing topic *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Facebook would never tolerate that behaviour we are talking about" - Big Lynx |
Timmy Sprinkles
Starfleet Homos
23
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Posted - 2014.04.01 12:34:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Timmy Sprinkles wrote: I'm not pounding the keyboard here. Reality Check Time is coming to EVE. CCP doesn't have to make these calls people. We do. There's a line in the sand that was drawn before any of us ever played this game. People are starting to **** all over that line now and think it's OK.
CCP chose one form of action against one party, and the community have already actioned the appropriate response to the other. Therefore, tis done. CCP then reiterated where they believed the line to be. I dont understand why this is still considered an ongoing topic
CCP took the only form of action. The Tear Factory are the ones who keep getting their locked forum posts keeping the ISD's up late at night are the only ones who don't get this. |
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