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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
211
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Posted - 2011.12.04 16:55:00 -
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I can only hope Cygnet actually believes all that, because that would really make his posts all the better. |
Crystal Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
35
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Posted - 2011.12.04 17:16:00 -
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Not to flog the dead horse, but the whole thing doesn't make sense, PI was/is an individual activity.
You can't group up with some protection and a hauler and do Corp PI.
Now all of a sudden the CO is an Alliance based design.
Hellooo?
Most corps do not have all their members PI on the same planets, even in the same region, people have set it up all over the place, INDIVIDUALLY because it is a INDIVIDUAL activity.
Even the benfit of having your own POCO is pointless unless everyone tears down their PI and moves, what does that cost?
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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
24
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Posted - 2011.12.04 19:57:00 -
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pmchem wrote:Cygnet is so mad at these changes and his loss of the posting war that he continues his bitter attempt to get the thread locked for off-topic trolling. Dude needs a forum temp ban.
In other news, people are realizing that the world has NOT ended and PI is still something they can do, so forum opposition from anyone not named Cygnet has fallen to a trickle. The tax changes are good and POCOs are flying off the shelves. Expansion success.
And it wouldn't have had anything to do with goonswarm trolling every thread on it while the mods do nothing? You do know that, unlike me, most people get bored or irritated with you guys and go do something constructive like cancel their accounts.
And, for an alliance that has no interesting in mining and PI, how is it exactly that you're pulling down the 12,000,000m3 per day on that level 5 then? Magic? Are you ganking the asteroids and then looting their wrecks?
Edit: amazingly this went up before pmchem accused Crystal of being my alt due ot failure to agree with goonswarm.
Non Nobis Domine Non Nobis Sed Nomine Tua Da Na Glorium |
Pirokobo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2011.12.04 20:01:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote: control. Compared to the rest of the eve universe, not much, compared to the largest territory holder other then you, quite a bit.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliances
We are not the largest territory holder. Not even by a long shot.
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
211
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Posted - 2011.12.04 20:02:00 -
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Trolling, or setting the record straight? |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
24
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Posted - 2011.12.04 20:04:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Trolling, or setting the record straight?
Level 5 industry, anyone?
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
211
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Posted - 2011.12.04 20:48:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Level 5 industry, anyone? Pretty high for a alliance with supposedly no organized mining ops. I have no idea how much clearer I can say this, but there are no alliance-wide mining ops. vOv |
CynoNet Two
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
267
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Posted - 2011.12.04 21:05:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:The Mittani wrote:Cygnet nicely confirms my assumption that, to put up with the sheer tedium and awfulness of PI, you have to be a raging sperg who dates spreadsheets. Better that then a corrupt bastard that uses any position, and I do mean any position, he assumes to screw people because he can't get it up. See, here's the thing Mitt, even if you win here, even if you dominate EvE, what's that get you in the end? King of the Scrap yard? Lord of the Wasteland? 'Our ships run on the tears of others'. Yeah, but in the end, people will stop being your victims, one way or another. And then what, Mitt? What happens when these jokers realize they've been taken for a ride all this time by someone who's really a very small person, no matter how hard he pretends otherwise. Eventually, Mitt, all these guys and gals posting for you, all these 'loyal goons' are going to realize you're nothing but a leech. A parasite on both their fun and their game. Goon ships run on tears Mitt. One day they'll run on yours.
I'm clicking 'like' on your post.
It's not because I agree with you, you understand. It's because it makes me happy that I'm not you. So happy. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2493
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Posted - 2011.12.04 21:10:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:The Mittani wrote:Cygnet nicely confirms my assumption that, to put up with the sheer tedium and awfulness of PI, you have to be a raging sperg who dates spreadsheets. Better that then a corrupt bastard that uses any position, and I do mean any position, he assumes to screw people because he can't get it up. See, here's the thing Mitt, even if you win here, even if you dominate EvE, what's that get you in the end? King of the Scrap yard? Lord of the Wasteland? 'Our ships run on the tears of others'. Yeah, but in the end, people will stop being your victims, one way or another. And then what, Mitt? What happens when these jokers realize they've been taken for a ride all this time by someone who's really a very small person, no matter how hard he pretends otherwise. Eventually, Mitt, all these guys and gals posting for you, all these 'loyal goons' are going to realize you're nothing but a leech. A parasite on both their fun and their game. Goon ships run on tears Mitt. One day they'll run on yours.
my nickname is 'mittens'
The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2493
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Posted - 2011.12.04 21:10:00 -
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we were ganked our forums are bad, lawl!
also i pretty much get it up when i cause pain, not because i can't get it up in the first place. that's kind of the whole point The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
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CynoNet Two
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
267
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Posted - 2011.12.04 21:10:00 -
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Crystal Liche wrote:Not to flog the dead horse, but the whole thing doesn't make sense, PI was/is an individual activity.
You can't group up with some protection and a hauler and do Corp PI.
Now all of a sudden the CO is an Alliance based design.
Hellooo?
Most corps do not have all their members PI on the same planets, even in the same region, people have set it up all over the place, INDIVIDUALLY because it is a INDIVIDUAL activity.
Even the benfit of having your own POCO is pointless unless everyone tears down their PI and moves, what does that cost?
PI is as much an individual activity as ratting and mining. Yet if you're doing any of these outside of hi-sec you generally need some form of support from an organised group. POCOs are the game mechanic that lets PI feed into corp or alliance-level income in the same way as ratting taxes and refining takes on outposts. It's also a form of 'cushion' for when CCP eventually nerfs moon-mining, allowing groups to keep getting income from member activities. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2493
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Posted - 2011.12.04 21:12:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Trolling, or setting the record straight? Level 5 industry, anyone? Pretty high for a alliance with supposedly no organized mining ops. And we'll ignore those systems in Outer Ring and Fountain and Aridia you dominate entirely without actually claiming. Oh, and 4th place from the top is pretty close, actually.
i own aridia now?
thanks science and industry, i learn new things itf everyday The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
72
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Posted - 2011.12.04 22:56:00 -
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The Mittani wrote: also i pretty much get it up when i cause pain
He is a RL Lawyer, after all.
Poor taste? Eh f*** it.
As for the Goons mining and doing PI, I'd bet there are plenty of them doing both, but they don't have mandatory combat ops. They protect their space through volunteerism. Why in the world would they have mandatory mining ops? |
Gar Earthbendiir
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2011.12.05 00:18:00 -
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I guess there's lotsa good points put up in these 13 pages.... TL;DR past page 3 for me.
All numbers aside, I'm a fan of putting up POCO's in my lo sec enemy's backyard and then fighting over it. I've gotten a lot of 'meh' from my corp, but I think it's because nobody's ever fought over a POCO. It's new and unknown, and generally known as boring. I think. Oh well, we'll see how it goes right? |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
25
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Posted - 2011.12.05 03:15:00 -
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The Mittani wrote: my nickname is 'mittens'
Stop by my office, and get the form filled out in triplicate, have it notarized, and I'll consider calling you that.
BTW: what bar are you before? Nevada?
Non Nobis Domine Non Nobis Sed Nomine Tua Da Na Glorium |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
73
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Posted - 2011.12.05 04:34:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:The Mittani wrote: my nickname is 'mittens'
Stop by my office, and get the form filled out in triplicate, have it notarized, and I'll consider calling you that. BTW: what bar are you before? Nevada?
I'm often in front of any bar that hasn't 86'd me yet, but I suspect you were asking Mittens. |
pmchem
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
141
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Posted - 2011.12.05 04:52:00 -
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Gar Earthbendiir wrote:I guess there's lotsa good points put up in these 13 pages.... TL;DR past page 3 for me.
tl;dr - I make a post about taxes which economically minded people and CCP agree is a good thing for the game. Expansion includes the change. Hysterical highsec (and some lowsec) people are mad their profits are reduced by some small percent and furiously post about how this will be THE DEATH OF EVE UNSUBBING 40000 ACCTS!!! Other people argue or laugh in response. Markets prove me correct and POCOs are a popular success, life goes on. |
bilingi
Ghosts of the Storm
10
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Posted - 2011.12.05 06:16:00 -
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No you didnt you came on here doing damage control for the goons.... Which is funny as hell cause no one believes you anyway.... |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
212
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Posted - 2011.12.05 07:17:00 -
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Damage control? For what? We're loving the changes, at least those of us who aren't complete jews. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
73
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Posted - 2011.12.05 08:12:00 -
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Damage Control? Goons? Goons don't do PR damage control, they do PR damage amplification. They're kind of funny(sociopathic) like that. |
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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
26
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Posted - 2011.12.05 14:50:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Damage Control? Goons? Goons don't do PR damage control, they do PR damage amplification. They're kind of funny(sociopathic) like that.
Yeah, the smart thing would have been to ignore the grumblings instead of posting in every single thread on the subject. It makes you look desperate to hide something.
Makes people like me dig deeper and harder.
Non Nobis Domine Non Nobis Sed Nomine Tua Da Na Glorium |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
216
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Posted - 2011.12.05 15:17:00 -
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Go ahead and dig. I'm sure you'll find absolutely ****-all.
Make sure you post your findings. |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
29
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Posted - 2011.12.05 22:08:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Go ahead and dig. I'm sure you'll find absolutely ****-all.
Make sure you post your findings.
That wasn't the point and you know it. The point was that being super defensive of a given subject makes goons look like they're guilty of something.
It's sort of like:
'Who ate some of the cookies?'
'I have NO IDEA where those two cookies went! and even if I did, i certainly wouldn't have eaten them both while you were in the other room!'
Non Nobis Domine Non Nobis Sed Nomine Tua Da Na Glorium |
bilingi
Ghosts of the Storm
10
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Posted - 2011.12.05 22:19:00 -
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I might believe you except for the fact goons are flooding every PI post with BS.... But hey lol you have to love people like that. They lie so much they even believe it themselves,,,... Just glance at any post with PI in it i found 1 that hasnt got some goons in it repeating the same lines over and over,
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
218
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Posted - 2011.12.05 22:22:00 -
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If you say so. We're telling you how things are, if you think that's "being defensive" then that's your problem. And I'm telling you, now, to go ahead and dig if you really think we're hiding something, and remember to tell us about it if you do find something. I'll be here, waiting. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
76
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Posted - 2011.12.06 04:41:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Go ahead and dig. I'm sure you'll find absolutely ****-all.
Make sure you post your findings. That wasn't the point and you know it. The point was that being super defensive of a given subject makes goons look like they're guilty of something. It's sort of like: 'Who ate some of the cookies?' 'I have NO IDEA where those two cookies went! and even if I did, i certainly wouldn't have eaten them both while you were in the other room!'
The depths have already been dug. (They weren't that deep anyway). Goons have been driving oxytopes up through coordinated suicide ganking. Before starting they bought enormous stockpiles of it. The alliance now has even fatter stacks of cash. The evidence for this is in the many posts where the Goons told the public their plan and how they were going to accomplish it.
... Wait, this is the Goons are mean about PI whine thread, not the Oxytopes whine thread.
This thread's OP was about how the POCOs would likely affect PI based on the SISI taxes. In some cases, the SISI taxes were 50-100x lower than what made it to TQ. Somehow this became the Goons fault (I still don't get that logical leap).
And if you were talking about digging into me, I'm former WI. Goons NOMed WI. FREE WIDOT. Hole pre-dug for you to search (it's like taking viagra on your way to the airport).
Besides, Goons make too many funny things happen in EVE to possibly dislike them for very long. |
Alisarina
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2011.12.06 07:57:00 -
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I could be one oft he only people here that love the goons for all they do in Eve. Granted I don't stoop low enough to mine either minerals or ice so am not subject to their suicide ganking (and if if I was, being suicide ganked mining would be doing me a service of slapping me around and asking 'WTF are you doing this for you moron?!? get out of mining NOW!').
So saying that, I've never been harassed by goons in all the time I've played and their market manipulations and trolling in the forums are almost always funny, some just make you scratch your head and move on wondering wtf you just read but that's teh same in any forum.
If they are going to hike up the PI goods, all the power to em. Grand scheme of things everyone will either directly or indirectly make more isk from a large number of activities related to PI as a consequence of a price hike. Now if they crash it (not going to happen but still IF) then it's also a win for alot of people that use PI goods to make stuff and fuel their PoS's. For me currently if the PI market goes up from goons threatening to hike it up or crashes I would be uneffected due to margins being how they are I would still make cash, or just pull out of the market totally and reinvest in something else that may end up being a gold mine that I never knew about.
All the pointless whining about PI taxes, null sec getting a great deal and HS being screwed and low sec being left in that permanent gray area are pointless. It just shows how inflexible you are to a dynamic environment. If you find HS taxes force you to make no profit for whatever reason and you refuse to go to low sec and do it with, lets admit, bugger all risk then you deserve to be left out in the cold whilst the adaptive kids have a party.
Remember there are two things certain in life: Death and Taxes...this is your wake up call :P |
Dr Mercy
Doctrine. FEARLESS.
51
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Posted - 2011.12.06 13:34:00 -
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Oh, I did some calculations today. Turns out apart from 3 exceptions that market prices (the lower, buy-order ones) are already high enough to cover highsec PI taxes even if I assume you export and re-import at every stage.
All you guys who said highsec PI for newbies was dead were wrong. Anyone can thoughtlessly make isk my passively extracting PI materials - so long as they avoid Biofuels (P1), Guidance Systems (P3) and Planetary Vehicles (P3) Make isk with PI: http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?1207-What-to-do-PI-Processor-only-planets |
Alisarina
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2011.12.06 14:18:00 -
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shhh...don't let the unwashed masses know this! if they do the markets will crash!
Haha who am I kidding, people are too lazy to do PI and the stigma that it's dead in high sec and low sec has already settled, even if it's only had a few days to get it's tendrils out.
Really though I'm back to normal if not slightly higher margins after a minor re-organization, mainly due to changing locations of factory worlds.
Side note: the buff to transit tubes or whatever they are called is handy as hell! |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
30
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Posted - 2011.12.06 14:42:00 -
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Dr Mercy wrote: All you guys who said highsec PI for newbies was dead were wrong. Anyone can thoughtlessly make isk my passively extracting PI materials - so long as they avoid Biofuels (P1), Guidance Systems (P3) and Planetary Vehicles (P3)
So the costs of T2 drones and missiles are not yet done rising.
Again, this is bad for the game past the short tun. The effects still have not fully rippled outward through the market. They're still going, and won't be fully realized for months. Saying 'Well the price has stabilized at 'profit' for these items.' isn't even close to true, because the T2 items that are the result of these haven't really been effected much yet due to existing stockpiles.
It's the same reason that T2 didn't instantly double in price when PI was introduced but has been slowly climbing.
The real issue come about when t2 prices rise. Sure, the individual items increase in profit, but demand starts to decline the higher the price goes. A few people hav told me I'm over estimating the elasticity in demand for t2, but my own experiences in the market tell me I'm not.
We'll see if this remains healthy six months from now when stockpiles have dwindled a bit.
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