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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2014.04.04 20:45:00 -
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Again, a painfully ridiculous attempt at intervention in Ishukone Okusaika's affairs by Lai Dai and Kaalakiota.
Are KK and Lai Dai truly so daft, so hate-blinded that you can't see any discussion with the Federation as potentially beneficial to the State?
Best not to answer that here.
Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs. |
Aikur Kuvas
Uchusen Technologies
1
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Posted - 2014.04.04 21:34:00 -
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All negotiations are beneficial, or not, depending on the approach taken by both parties individually.
The anger and hate evident in that report is justified. However diplomacy is a potentially beneficial option to pursue, financially and to stop the loss of life. What the results of such talks would be, however, remains to be seen. Aikur Kuvas - Diplomat -áfor Uchusen Technologies |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
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Posted - 2014.04.04 22:16:00 -
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Of course, openly aiding and abetting the actions of a traitor for half a decade wasn't corruption, but trying to fix that traitor's long series of terrible mistakes?
Unacceptable. Mane 614
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Agiri Falken
State War Academy Caldari State
143
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Posted - 2014.04.04 22:18:00 -
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GÇ£if the CEP wish to place roadblocks in the way of our diplomatic efforts to preserve what little cultural heritage remains of the Caldari on our homeworld, then they can take the responsibilty for the loss of thousands of years of history. Until they do take up that burden, we will stay the course the winds have set us on.GÇ¥
Not much else to be said. Just makes me shake my head that the cry is literally "They're doin' stuff!" Ah well. Let the investigation happen. There's nothing to find that isn't boogeymen fabricated in their own heads. |
Aelisha
Achura-Waschi Exchange Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
351
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Posted - 2014.04.04 22:25:00 -
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If everything is above board, as both Reppola and capsuleer advocates of his state, then there is nothing to fear from a cursory investigation. The State is understandably shaken from it's ordeal the last few years - consider this an after shock of the rogue actions of the previous leader causing members of the CEP to be especially cautious concerning high-level autonomy.
As previously stated, if Ishukone is clean, as I strongly suspect, then there is nothing to fear. Creating a squall aimed at the successful and meritorious Kaalakiota and Lai Dai corporations is only going to get their respective representatives digging their heels in, assuming that they have the time to take the capsuleer peanut gallery into account. One would hope that affairs of State were above this little venue of ours, however. CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange: An International trade corporation that adheres to State values. Intaki Reborn. Federation citizen and Sociocrat supporter. State affiliated capsuleer with indefinite leave to remain. |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2014.04.04 22:28:00 -
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Ixiris, you aren't helping.
Kuvas-haan, anger and hate toward...? If it's toward Ishukone Okusaika, while we have stood apart, has Ishukone ever actively betrayed the State? Surely not. We are maligned simply because we don't measure success in [i]bodycount,[i/] as if that concept mattered with nigh-immortal capsuleers. If it's toward the Federation, then few have more reason to hate the Federation than Ishukone. Whereas the Caldari people lost Caldari Prime, Home to many of us, Ishukone has lost not only that, but also our greatest leader, a visionary among Caldari, Otro Gariushi.
If we can set aside that anger, that rage, that wound to our corporation and our collective psyche, then what basis has Kaalakiota or Lai Dai to lambast us for trying to work for the betterment of Ishukone and the State by means that are productive, that are likely to win us the peace?
Montenagre-haani; if I may, I would contend that the squall is created in the first place by Kaalakiota and Lai Dai. My reaction is just that-- reaction. Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs. |
Aelisha
Achura-Waschi Exchange Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
351
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Posted - 2014.04.04 22:38:00 -
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I understand your vested interests, but Ishukone probably has a legal and political team that has this situation well in hand.
It seems that all that KK and Lai Dai have created is some fleeting suspicion of Federation/Ishukone collusion - which while ludicrous, is forgiveable when you consider the actions of our respective nations and their constant, childish back and forth over a war that burned out a long time ago in all but the hearts of politicians and arms dealers. CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange: An International trade corporation that adheres to State values. Intaki Reborn. Federation citizen and Sociocrat supporter. State affiliated capsuleer with indefinite leave to remain. |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2014.04.04 22:46:00 -
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Agreed on those points. My worry, ultimately, is that while we have purged the Provist influence, we are still predisposed to militant action; this is surely why the Patriots are currently dominating the CEP, and surely why we must be on guard against their efforts to continue pushing isolationist policies which we'd surely both agree are impractical and counterproductive. Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs. |
Agiri Falken
State War Academy Caldari State
144
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Posted - 2014.04.04 22:47:00 -
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Aelisha wrote:I understand your vested interests, but Ishukone probably has a legal and political team that has this situation well in hand.
It seems that all that KK and Lai Dai have created is some fleeting suspicion of Federation/Ishukone collusion - which while ludicrous, is forgiveable when you consider the actions of our respective nations and their constant, childish back and forth over a war that burned out a long time ago in all but the hearts of politicians and arms dealers. It is understandable. I'm just wondering what happens when this investigation turns up nothing, myself. And, thankfully, none of us here in the "peanut gallery" (perfect term you used there) will have any effect on the outcome. Thank the Maker for that. |
Calairis
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.04 22:49:00 -
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Foreign corporate interests flexing increasing sway over the Federation body politic? Color me shocked.
I certainly would be interested to know which Senators have taken the lead on these negotiations, more interested still in their wallet balances over the coming months. |
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Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1684
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Posted - 2014.04.04 22:58:00 -
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Gosh, this is inopportune news. I'm not quite sure how I should be reacting to this. |
Ayallah
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
133
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Posted - 2014.04.04 23:13:00 -
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I hope the negotiations are going to be able to pay for the wedge being driven in the state. -áFear The Tribes |
Anslo
Scope Works
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Posted - 2014.04.04 23:31:00 -
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Ayallah wrote:I hope the negotiations are going to be able to pay for the wedge being driven in the state. "We did it! We united as Caldari against an internal threat, for the better of all our people! What now?....Let's divide up again and **** up each other's agenda and plans! Cause we're all about meddling right everyo-ohwait."
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Agiri Falken
State War Academy Caldari State
145
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Posted - 2014.04.04 23:59:00 -
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Ayallah wrote:I hope the negotiations are going to be able to pay for the wedge being driven in the state. The wedge has been there for a few years now. It's just more obvious to outsiders, thanks to the press coverage. |
Goa Chai
72
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Posted - 2014.04.05 01:39:00 -
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Anslo wrote:"We did it! We united as Caldari against an internal threat, for the better of all our people! What now?....Let's divide up again and **** up each other's agenda and plans! Cause we're all about meddling right everyo-ohwait." So in other words since the decline of the Provists things have returned to normal for the State's "Big Eight" oligarchy.
I guess that's good, a Caldari State busy infighting is less of a headache for it's rivals. |
TomHorn
Dragonaurs Ndrangheta.
203
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Posted - 2014.04.05 03:21:00 -
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Quote:Agreed on those points. My worry, ultimately, is that while we have purged the Provist influence, we are still predisposed to militant action; this is surely why the Patriots are currently dominating the CEP, and surely why we must be on guard against their efforts to continue pushing isolationist policies which we'd surely both agree are impractical and counterproductive.
I kinda feel that Ishukone have been leading the way in the CEP for the last year. With the other megacorporations rubber stamping their decisions, following their lead. Ishukone are clearly keeping the other members of the CEP in the dark when it comes to these discussions with the Federation. I think that is mistake on their part. Which can only cause animosity between the CEP members, jeopardize their leading role in my opinion, in the CEP at the current time.
Operation Highlander document, if it ever is fully disclosed, could also play a big part in what happens in the future. Ishukone have always had the closest relationship with the Federation. If you were betting man, you would think there is a high chance that the top executives who were compromised were from Ishukone. That does not necessarily have to be the case though. Certainly would alter their current role with regards Caldari Prime if it was.
I dont agree with the liberals, because i dont think their policy is going to work. Im glad to see KK, Lai Dai start to question Ishukone more. Heth's reign may be over, but what is important is how many come forward from the patriot bloc to pick up his rifle. |
Agiri Falken
State War Academy Caldari State
147
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Posted - 2014.04.05 04:11:00 -
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TomHorn wrote:Quote:Agreed on those points. My worry ultimately, is that while we have purged the Provist influence, we are still predisposed to militant action; this is surely why the Patriots are currently dominating the CEP, and surely why we must be on guard against their efforts to continue pushing isolationist policies which we'd surely both agree are impractical and counterproductive. I kinda feel that Ishukone have been leading the way in the CEP for the last year. With the other megacorporations rubber stamping their decisions, following their lead. Ishukone are clearly keeping the other members of the CEP in the dark when it comes to these discussions with the Federation. I think that is mistake on their part. Which can only cause animosity between the CEP members, jeopardize their leading role in my opinion, in the CEP at the current time. Operation Highlander document, if it ever is fully disclosed, could also play a big part in what happens in the future. Ishukone have always had the closest relationship with the Federation. If you were betting man, you would think there is a high chance that the top executives who were compromised were from Ishukone. That does not necessarily have to be the case though. Certainly would alter their current role with regards Caldari Prime if it was. I dont agree with the liberals, because i dont think their policy is going to work. Im glad to see KK, Lai Dai start to question Ishukone more. Heth's reign may be over, but what is important is how many come forward from the patriot bloc to pick up his rifle. I'm actually pretty eager to see Highlander, myself. Wish and wait, I guess... As for now, I pose three questions. Did anyone even ask for disclosure? Or merely expect it? That's been pretty unclear so far. Who else is volunteering to step forward and get into the foul business of politics? What is prosecuting war going to accomplish? |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
973
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Posted - 2014.04.05 04:50:00 -
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After the death of last CEO Ishukone is going down the slope of treason. First it was noticed by CPD, who were running checks of Ishukone. Now it's turn of CEP to take the role of CPD.
A bit sad, that CEP didn't start doing it earlier, helping CPD, though. But, I believe, that together Caldari will help Ishukone to stand on the right path and clean it from humiliation of gallentean influence.
The faster regular citizens of Ishukone realize, that their top management are corrupted gallentean bootlickers, and start acting against them, the better. |
Aikur Kuvas
Uchusen Technologies
2
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Posted - 2014.04.05 05:12:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Ixiris, you aren't helping.
Kuvas-haan, anger and hate toward...? If it's toward Ishukone Okusaika, while we have stood apart, has Ishukone ever actively betrayed the State? Surely not. We are maligned simply because we don't measure success in [i]bodycount,[i/] as if that concept mattered with nigh-immortal capsuleers. If it's toward the Federation, then few have more reason to hate the Federation than Ishukone. Whereas the Caldari people lost Caldari Prime, Home to many of us, Ishukone has lost not only that, but also our greatest leader, a visionary among Caldari, Otro Gariushi.
If we can set aside that anger, that rage, that wound to our corporation and our collective psyche, then what basis has Kaalakiota or Lai Dai to lambast us for trying to work for the betterment of Ishukone and the State by means that are productive, that are likely to win us the peace?
Montenagre-haani; if I may, I would contend that the squall is created in the first place by Kaalakiota and Lai Dai. My reaction is just that-- reaction.
Towards the Federation? Due to the fact that they decided that we weren't allowed to be different and live in peace, so they bombed our planet.
Or perhaps I misunderstood your reference. If so, my apologies, Priano-haani. I have not been in the state for some time and have forgotten some of the political situations. Aikur Kuvas - Diplomat -áfor Uchusen Technologies |
Goa Chai
73
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Posted - 2014.04.05 06:34:00 -
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Aikur Kuvas wrote:Towards the Federation? Due to the fact that they decided that we weren't allowed to be different and live in peace, so they bombed our planet. Not before the Caldari commited the terrorist act of sabotaging Nouvelle Rouvenor, which if I remember my Cal-Gal War history correctly was in response to a Federation blockade of gates leading to previously secret Caldari bases who's existence was withheld from the Federation.
Not that it's really our place to comment on something that happened so long ago, but did the Caldari really think they could get away with constructing secret bases in the Luminaire system so close to Gallente Prime and not have the Federation take action against it, or that sabotaging a domed city killing half a million people would end the blockade preventing access to said bases? And while personally I think the attack on Caldari Prime was an excessive response, one can hardly say it was an unprovoked response. |
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Agiri Falken
State War Academy Caldari State
148
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Posted - 2014.04.05 06:53:00 -
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Goa Chai wrote:Aikur Kuvas wrote:Towards the Federation? Due to the fact that they decided that we weren't allowed to be different and live in peace, so they bombed our planet. Not before the Caldari commited the terrorist act of sabotaging Nouvelle Rouvenor, which if I remember my Cal-Gal War history correctly was in response to a Federation blockade of gates leading to previously secret Caldari bases who's existence was withheld from the Federation. Not that it's really our place to comment on something that happened so long ago, but did the Caldari really think they could get away with constructing secret bases in the Luminaire system so close to Gallente Prime and not have the Federation take action against it, or that sabotaging a domed city killing half a million people would end the blockade preventing access to said bases? And while personally I think the attack on Caldari Prime was an excessive response, one can hardly say it was an unprovoked response. Can't disagree on the sequence of events, but lumping "Caldari" under Dragonaurs (a group internationally recognized as ultra nationalist terrorists), who were, as a matter of historic record, the perpetrators of that ****** up act, is a lot like us saying "Gallente" in blanket use when referring to Admiral Noir, and that crazy bastards decision to ram a Nyx into Ishukone HQ during peace talks. It's a distinction both sides can appreciate, I think, even in the perspective of events that took place two centuries ago. |
Bryen Verrisai
EVE University Ivy League
135
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Posted - 2014.04.05 07:05:00 -
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I think this is a pretty predictable reaction from the CEP. I can think of few entities besides the State that could truly appreciate how much a foreign nation can accomplish when they have a man on the inside. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
3444
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Posted - 2014.04.05 07:11:00 -
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And on it goes - with one side demanding answers and the other refusing them.
How is Ishukone aiming to protect Caldari culture on Home? What part does it's negotiations with the Federation play in them? Are the Patriot bloc really short-sighted enough to sabotage negotiations that are in the best interests of all Caldari over partisan politics?
Nobody here knows... "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |
Aikur Kuvas
Uchusen Technologies
2
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Posted - 2014.04.05 07:27:00 -
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Agiri Falken wrote:Goa Chai wrote:Aikur Kuvas wrote:Towards the Federation? Due to the fact that they decided that we weren't allowed to be different and live in peace, so they bombed our planet. Not before the Caldari commited the terrorist act of sabotaging Nouvelle Rouvenor, which if I remember my Cal-Gal War history correctly was in response to a Federation blockade of gates leading to previously secret Caldari bases who's existence was withheld from the Federation. Not that it's really our place to comment on something that happened so long ago, but did the Caldari really think they could get away with constructing secret bases in the Luminaire system so close to Gallente Prime and not have the Federation take action against it, or that sabotaging a domed city killing half a million people would end the blockade preventing access to said bases? And while personally I think the attack on Caldari Prime was an excessive response, one can hardly say it was an unprovoked response. Can't disagree on the sequence of events, but lumping "Caldari" under Dragonaurs (a group internationally recognized as ultra nationalist terrorists), who were, as a matter of historic record, the perpetrators of that ****** up act, is a lot like us saying "Gallente" in blanket use when referring to Admiral Noir, and that crazy bastards decision to ram a Nyx into Ishukone HQ during peace talks. It's a distinction both sides can appreciate, I think, even in the perspective of events that took place two centuries ago.
I do believe I have some history to refresh myself on. Aikur Kuvas - Diplomat -áfor Uchusen Technologies |
Agiri Falken
State War Academy Caldari State
148
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Posted - 2014.04.05 07:34:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:And on it goes - with one side demanding answers and the other refusing them.
How is Ishukone aiming to protect Caldari culture on Home? What part does it's negotiations with the Federation play in them? Are the Patriot bloc really short-sighted enough to sabotage negotiations that are in the best interests of all Caldari over partisan politics?
Nobody here knows... Bingo. The great circle of bullshit, kirjuun. Time will tell how this ends. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
973
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Posted - 2014.04.05 07:51:00 -
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I would like to remind everyone, that Dragonaurs didn't commit any terror acts in the last two centuries, and those, who committed them are long dead. Calling Caldari patriot guerrilla fighters as terrorist thus is a sign of being brainwashed by gallentean propaganda. Those "Caldari", who call Dragonaurs as terrorists, are not Caldari, but rather gallentean spies or bootlickers. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
973
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Posted - 2014.04.05 07:55:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:And on it goes - with one side demanding answers and the other refusing them.
How is Ishukone aiming to protect Caldari culture on Home? What part does it's negotiations with the Federation play in them? Are the Patriot bloc really short-sighted enough to sabotage negotiations that are in the best interests of all Caldari over partisan politics?
Nobody here knows... The only way to protect Caldari culture on Home is to remove that scum, that was writing "Exterminate Caldari" on our monuments and defacing Caldari relics. I am speaking, of course, about gallenteans. While they are present on our planet, our culture is under threat. Our planet must be cleaned from their presence completely, by any means necessary.
Any diplomatic "resolution" will only delay the real solution, and is profitable only to gallentean side. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
530
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Posted - 2014.04.05 09:40:00 -
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Why are the State and Federation still at war, hmmmmmm?
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
973
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Posted - 2014.04.05 11:03:00 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:Why are the State and Federation still at war, hmmmmmm?
Federation still occupies almost half of our homeworld. |
Wendrika
Almatter Foundation
9
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Posted - 2014.04.05 11:20:00 -
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I supose this is not a good time to be working privately for the Ishukone. What a bummer! Just when I had finished transfering the Foundation assets from Heimatar to Lonetrek... |
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