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Paka-Tegat Birshiri
Paragon Material Extraction and Processing
5
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Posted - 2014.04.04 23:15:00 -
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How is it possible, this many years later, that gunships are still completely outclassed by missiles? They do more damage, they do selectible damage, they are unaffected by much of the NPC EWar. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
2127
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Posted - 2014.04.04 23:38:00 -
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Paka-Tegat Birshiri wrote:How is it possible, this many years later, that gunships are still completely outclassed by missiles? They do more damage, they do selectible damage, they are unaffected by much of the NPC EWar.
Wow your arguments are so complete and detailed. They must be true. |
WaterMarks
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2014.04.05 00:36:00 -
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meh kinda disagree with you, but i would like to see some more electronic warfare that affects missiles or even Tracking Disruption able to affect missiles to some extent. -Fly Reckless- |
Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
483
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Posted - 2014.04.05 01:59:00 -
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When Serpentis damp your targeting range and you can not target rats and kill them with your guns, auto targeting missiles kill rats.
When Gurista disable your targeting and you can not kill rats with guns because you can not lock them, auto targeting missiles kill rats. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first! |
Webvan
State Protectorate Caldari State
351
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Posted - 2014.04.05 02:28:00 -
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Because EVE is missing the aim mechanic. Hard to do a workaround on that. If there were an aim mechanic with auto-targeting, EWAR would take out your auto-targeting, but you would still be able to squeeze off rounds in the right direction. But without that, not much you can do. Fly a Hawk then?
Maybe smart-ammo? Much like auto missiles, has random guided ability. Guided bullets, not an original concept http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_bullet |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3974
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Posted - 2014.04.05 02:36:00 -
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Nice try, you're 3 days late though. |
Alesha Kalishi
Amarr Corp 1969j131200
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Posted - 2014.04.05 06:45:00 -
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Bastion Module.
Nothing further needs be said. |
PopplerRo
13
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Posted - 2014.04.05 08:57:00 -
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You should try doing incursions with missiles |
Muel Hibra
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.04.05 11:08:00 -
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Successful troll is successful. |
Silky Cyno
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2014.04.05 15:09:00 -
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Alesha Kalishi wrote:Bastion Module.
Nothing further needs be said.
^^ |
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RonPaul Rox
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2014.04.05 17:41:00 -
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and missiles are outclassed by sentry domis |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
763
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Posted - 2014.04.05 18:20:00 -
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Paka-Tegat Birshiri wrote:How is it possible, this many years later, that gunships are still completely outclassed by missiles? They do more damage, they do selectible damage, they are unaffected by much of the NPC EWar.
What? The only thing you said was right was missiles were unaffected by some EWAR. The rest was just silly. |
RonPaul Rox
Justified Chaos
6
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Posted - 2014.04.05 18:41:00 -
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IIshira wrote:Paka-Tegat Birshiri wrote:How is it possible, this many years later, that gunships are still completely outclassed by missiles? They do more damage, they do selectible damage, they are unaffected by much of the NPC EWar. What? The only thing you said was right was missiles were unaffected by some EWAR. The rest was just silly.
im pretty sure cruise missiles out dps rails and arties |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
763
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Posted - 2014.04.05 18:53:00 -
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RonPaul Rox wrote:IIshira wrote:Paka-Tegat Birshiri wrote:How is it possible, this many years later, that gunships are still completely outclassed by missiles? They do more damage, they do selectible damage, they are unaffected by much of the NPC EWar. What? The only thing you said was right was missiles were unaffected by some EWAR. The rest was just silly. im pretty sure cruise missiles out dps rails and arties
You would pick the one missile system that was buffed. I'll admit cruise missiles are pretty decent now but EFT DPS isn't everything. Try to one shot a frigate with cruise missiles. How many cruise missile ships do you see being used vs large gun ships in PVP? Paper DPS isn't everything.
If you want jack of all trades PVE missiles are the way to go. With selectable damage you can go anywhere. |
RonPaul Rox
Justified Chaos
6
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Posted - 2014.04.05 19:22:00 -
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IIshira wrote:RonPaul Rox wrote:IIshira wrote:Paka-Tegat Birshiri wrote:How is it possible, this many years later, that gunships are still completely outclassed by missiles? They do more damage, they do selectible damage, they are unaffected by much of the NPC EWar. What? The only thing you said was right was missiles were unaffected by some EWAR. The rest was just silly. im pretty sure cruise missiles out dps rails and arties You would pick the one missile system that was buffed. I'll admit cruise missiles are pretty decent now but EFT DPS isn't everything. Try to one shot a frigate with cruise missiles. How many cruise missile ships do you see being used vs large gun ships in PVP? Paper DPS isn't everything. If you want jack of all trades PVE missiles are the way to go. With selectable damage you can go anywhere.
vs. frigs are why domis are so much better |
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
977
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Posted - 2014.04.05 19:43:00 -
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I use Artys and Autos for every mission or site, I complete missions like AE in 17 minutes, Worlds Collide in just over 15 minutes, I can kill two or three Wasps on approach. and frigs die so quick I can't keep up using a hotkey to lock them up.
If guns don't work for you, it's probably cause you have trained enough yet.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
765
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Posted - 2014.04.05 19:58:00 -
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RonPaul Rox wrote:IIshira wrote:RonPaul Rox wrote:IIshira wrote:Paka-Tegat Birshiri wrote:How is it possible, this many years later, that gunships are still completely outclassed by missiles? They do more damage, they do selectible damage, they are unaffected by much of the NPC EWar. What? The only thing you said was right was missiles were unaffected by some EWAR. The rest was just silly. im pretty sure cruise missiles out dps rails and arties You would pick the one missile system that was buffed. I'll admit cruise missiles are pretty decent now but EFT DPS isn't everything. Try to one shot a frigate with cruise missiles. How many cruise missile ships do you see being used vs large gun ships in PVP? Paper DPS isn't everything. If you want jack of all trades PVE missiles are the way to go. With selectable damage you can go anywhere. vs. frigs are why domis are so much better
Sentry drones do excel at frigate killing but any large turret ship will do MUCH better than cruise missiles at it. With multiple target painters missiles get better but still not like a turret ship. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
765
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:01:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:I use Artys and Autos for every mission or site, I complete missions like AE in 17 minutes, Worlds Collide in just over 15 minutes, I can kill two or three Wasps on approach. and frigs die so quick I can't keep up using a hotkey to lock them up.
If guns don't work for you, it's probably cause you have trained enough yet.
Skills do play a huge factor... I'm guessing you're flying a Vargur? I want to try one! |
goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
978
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:34:00 -
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IIshira wrote:Goldiiee wrote:I use Artys and Autos for every mission or site, I complete missions like AE in 17 minutes, Worlds Collide in just over 15 minutes, I can kill two or three Wasps on approach. and frigs die so quick I can't keep up using a hotkey to lock them up.
If guns don't work for you, it's probably cause you have trained enough yet. Skills do play a huge factor... I'm guessing you're flying a Vargur? I want to try one! No still like my Mach better, my problem with the Vargur is it's to slow for me, I have gotten used to a 2000m/s MWD Mach and anything else feels like a dreadnaught to me.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Johm Luck
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:36:00 -
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cruise missile applied dps is horrific. You won't even get half EFT on anything smaller than a battleship. |
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Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
304
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Posted - 2014.04.06 03:41:00 -
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Rattlesnake.
Cruise missiles for the bc's and bs's.
Drones for the smaller stuff.
Land almost every bit of eft damage.
Pure win. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
765
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Posted - 2014.04.06 03:51:00 -
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Ireland VonVicious wrote:Rattlesnake.
Cruise missiles for the bc's and bs's.
Drones for the smaller stuff.
Land almost every bit of eft damage.
Pure win.
Yes cruise missiles will land almost every bit of damage on battleships... I think that's been established. The problem is they don't on anything smaller.
Wait drones for smaller stuff what?? Even in a gank fit your missiles will do about 350 DPS... Bouncer II's will do 700 DPS. I hope you're not using the main weapon system (Drones) of the Rattlesnake for only frigates and cruisers... |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1248
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Posted - 2014.04.06 13:53:00 -
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Paka-Tegat Birshiri wrote:How is it possible, this many years later, that gunships are still completely outclassed by missiles? They do more damage, they do selectible damage, they are unaffected by much of the NPC EWar.
you can one shot a frigate at 100km+ with cruise missile you can one shot a frigate at 100km+ with large turrets
one of those statements is correct, the other is not 10 free points if you get it right. |
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
979
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Posted - 2014.04.06 14:45:00 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:Paka-Tegat Birshiri wrote:How is it possible, this many years later, that gunships are still completely outclassed by missiles? They do more damage, they do selectible damage, they are unaffected by much of the NPC EWar. you can one shot a frigate at 100km+ with cruise missile you can one shot a frigate at 100km+ with large turrets one of those statements is correct, the other is not 10 free points if you get it right. IDK about Cruise Missile's but I know I do it with guns all day long. Just one gun, per frig, per cycle falloff is great.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
WaterMarks
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2014.04.07 02:20:00 -
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Any one else notice op started thread and has yet to shiw up again... i smell a troll -Fly Reckless- |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Sicarius Draconis
341
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Posted - 2014.04.08 16:48:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:IIshira wrote:Goldiiee wrote:I use Artys and Autos for every mission or site, I complete missions like AE in 17 minutes, Worlds Collide in just over 15 minutes, I can kill two or three Wasps on approach. and frigs die so quick I can't keep up using a hotkey to lock them up.
If guns don't work for you, it's probably cause you have trained enough yet. Skills do play a huge factor... I'm guessing you're flying a Vargur? I want to try one! No still like my Mach better, my problem with the Vargur is it's to slow for me, I have gotten used to a 2000m/s MWD Mach and anything else feels like a dreadnaught to me.
I guess by the end of the week we will find out how much of a nerf the pirate BS will get. By looking at the nerf to the Cynabal, I think the Machariel may no longer be king by the end of Summer. |
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
985
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Posted - 2014.04.08 17:50:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Goldiiee wrote:IIshira wrote:Goldiiee wrote:I use Artys and Autos for every mission or site, I complete missions like AE in 17 minutes, Worlds Collide in just over 15 minutes, I can kill two or three Wasps on approach. and frigs die so quick I can't keep up using a hotkey to lock them up.
If guns don't work for you, it's probably cause you have trained enough yet. Skills do play a huge factor... I'm guessing you're flying a Vargur? I want to try one! No still like my Mach better, my problem with the Vargur is it's to slow for me, I have gotten used to a 2000m/s MWD Mach and anything else feels like a dreadnaught to me. I guess by the end of the week we will find out how much of a nerf the pirate BS will get. By looking at the nerf to the Cynabal, I think the Machariel may no longer be king by the end of Summer. Yeah I ordered some industrial sized Tear Buckets to place beside my desk so I can collect my own tears just in case. LOL
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
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