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Dalto Bane
V I R I I Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2014.04.05 08:02:00 -
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Something that has become a bit of a hobby of mine in recent years is researching the "forensic evidence" left behind by Awox'ers, Corp Thieves, Spias, etc. Lately, this hobby has become more of an obsession. Now, before you wrap me in a tinfoil straight jacket, let me explain where this started and then hopefully get some feedback from some of you, if you find this topic of interest.
I started doing this research as most do, as a proactive measure, though not full proof, could vet a few "Baddies" away at least. As time went on, and my knowledge base grew, I began trying to learn from other pilots mistakes instead of my own. I also became less interested in it as a proactive vetting tool for Corps, and more so in it as a puzzle. Usually finding intricate webs of Alts weaving in and out of different Corps, same grammatical errors on forum posts, a slip up on killboards where a repper was popped. Hell, even some (a lot more than I would have guessed) kept the same context in their name among a majority of their alts, and the list goes on.
This isn't to contend what I know and don't know. Psychotic Monk recently blogged about the Shadow Broker, who by all accounts could teach everyone a lesson in collecting intel. This is also not about outting anyone. I genuinely just get enjoyment out of putting it all together.
Does anyone else find enjoyment out of doing intel gathering, whether it be proactive or destructive? Close calls if you like to be the "Bad Guy"? Common mistakes the Criminal has made? The Corp? -Besides not doing intel at all! "Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep." |
lanyaie
911
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Posted - 2014.04.05 10:29:00 -
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Dude...what are you even talking about? That's the most boring thing one can do in eve. Hay |
Dalto Bane
V I R I I Ineluctable.
39
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Posted - 2014.04.05 11:40:00 -
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lanyaie wrote:Dude...what are you even talking about? That's the most boring thing one can do in eve.
Though, I will admit, its not that high octane thrill ride that one gets from Pvp. It may not even be fun, but its interesting.
Take you for example, not to go in detail, but a quick glance shows that you have multiple Alts. I would not say that much except that two even share your name. I find interest in the why and to what purpose is all.
I am also perplexed at how Corporations are so lax with vetting new recruits and collecting data prior to having pilots join. Especially for how common Awox'er, thieves, spys, etc reuse the same account numerous times. I think an educational piece should be in order for up and coming Criminals and CEO's alike. Most importantly on Alt OPSEC. As in, always keeping Alts completely seperate from your Main, if there is such a thing anymore. There was a time when CEO's thought having a full API meant they were safe. Unfortunate for them, there is no 100% safe from a true Master of the Dark Arts.
-Adderall made me write this "Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep." |
CareBear Killer Jones
Caldari Militia Task Force
1
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Posted - 2014.04.05 12:16:00 -
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Dalto Bane wrote: Incoherent babble.
How are you at diagnosing yourself doctor?
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Dalto Bane
V I R I I Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2014.04.05 14:45:00 -
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CareBear Killer Jones wrote:Dalto Bane wrote: Incoherent babble. How are you at diagnosing yourself doctor?
Well, I'm in better health than Ex Cinere Scriptor, Scooter...
No matter! It does seem somewhat Incoherent now that I read it though, however, the spirit of what I was trying to convey is in that trainwreck somewhere. I will let this die now, since it does not seem to have any traction.
"Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep." |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar E.A.R.T.H. Federation
373
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Posted - 2014.04.05 15:47:00 -
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So you fancy yourself a eunuch too, or is channeling Lord Varys just a hobby.
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Dalto Bane
V I R I I Ineluctable.
39
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Posted - 2014.04.05 16:18:00 -
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Val'Dore wrote:So you fancy yourself a eunuch too, or is channeling Lord Varys just a hobby.
I apologize in advance for not being firm on letting this die. I did laugh, until what you said really sunk in.
I have not had, nor will have my "shaft and testes" removed, nor do I have any desire to be an information dealer, or any of the sort. I was just curious if anyone finds the process of gather intel interesting. It would appear not, since it is being derailed, no help from myself included.
I will leave you all with this. You may call it tinfoil, but I do have definitive proof that the rabbit hole goes much deeper than it first appears with a few well known pilots out there, and no previous speculation that I could find on outside forums about that connection. Hidden in plain sight, and the act of covering the connection created a pattern that makes the case even stronger.
Next week I will tell you how I think crop circles are formed. "Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep." |
KiaphasKain
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.04.05 19:17:00 -
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Strangely enough I share your interest in secrets. I always loved knowing what is going on, even if I rarely have the occasion to use it. I have no interest in being a shadow broker either though.
And the point of a sandbox is playing it the way you want to. If that means you like tracking those patterns then do so! |
Starbuck05
Evil Monkey Asylum Evil Monkeys Asylum
169
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Posted - 2014.04.05 23:21:00 -
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You need to get out of the house more..there is life beyond eve -á- I am the commanding officer , u should adress me as sir ! -á- But if i call u sir , what would i call your wife then ?? |
Michael Ignis Archangel
Christe Eleison
34
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Posted - 2014.04.06 03:47:00 -
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In all seriousness, being a forensic accountant is a good and highly entertaining living. Go... go do that, and stay away from my internet alter ego's background check. |
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Michael Ruckert
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
123
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Posted - 2014.04.06 04:11:00 -
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Someone just knocked on my door saying Dalto Bane sent them. "No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier |
BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
218
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Posted - 2014.04.06 14:32:00 -
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Dalto Bane wrote:Something that has become a bit of a hobby of mine in recent years is researching the "forensic evidence" left behind by Awox'ers, Corp Thieves, Spias, etc. Lately, this hobby has become more of an obsession. Now, before you wrap me in a tinfoil straight jacket, let me explain where this started and then hopefully get some feedback from some of you, if you find this topic of interest.
I started doing this research as most do, as a proactive measure, though not full proof, could vet a few "Baddies" away at least. As time went on, and my knowledge base grew, I began trying to learn from other pilots mistakes instead of my own. I also became less interested in it as a proactive vetting tool for Corps, and more so in it as a puzzle. Usually finding intricate webs of Alts weaving in and out of different Corps, same grammatical errors on forum posts, a slip up on killboards where a repper was popped. Hell, even some (a lot more than I would have guessed) kept the same context in their name among a majority of their alts, and the list goes on.
This isn't to contend what I know and don't know. Psychotic Monk recently blogged about the Shadow Broker, who by all accounts could teach everyone a lesson in collecting intel. This is also not about outting anyone. I genuinely just get enjoyment out of putting it all together.
Does anyone else find enjoyment out of doing intel gathering, whether it be proactive or destructive? Close calls if you like to be the "Bad Guy"? Common mistakes the Criminal has made? The Corp? -Besides not doing intel at all!
Just when you thought mining was the most boring thing to do in Eve....
Insert Signature Here..... |
KiaphasKain
Hedion University Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2014.04.06 16:38:00 -
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BuckStrider wrote:Dalto Bane wrote:Something that has become a bit of a hobby of mine in recent years is researching the "forensic evidence" left behind by Awox'ers, Corp Thieves, Spias, etc. Lately, this hobby has become more of an obsession. Now, before you wrap me in a tinfoil straight jacket, let me explain where this started and then hopefully get some feedback from some of you, if you find this topic of interest.
I started doing this research as most do, as a proactive measure, though not full proof, could vet a few "Baddies" away at least. As time went on, and my knowledge base grew, I began trying to learn from other pilots mistakes instead of my own. I also became less interested in it as a proactive vetting tool for Corps, and more so in it as a puzzle. Usually finding intricate webs of Alts weaving in and out of different Corps, same grammatical errors on forum posts, a slip up on killboards where a repper was popped. Hell, even some (a lot more than I would have guessed) kept the same context in their name among a majority of their alts, and the list goes on.
This isn't to contend what I know and don't know. Psychotic Monk recently blogged about the Shadow Broker, who by all accounts could teach everyone a lesson in collecting intel. This is also not about outting anyone. I genuinely just get enjoyment out of putting it all together.
Does anyone else find enjoyment out of doing intel gathering, whether it be proactive or destructive? Close calls if you like to be the "Bad Guy"? Common mistakes the Criminal has made? The Corp? -Besides not doing intel at all! Just when you thought mining was the most boring thing to do in Eve....
Whats boring for one is fun and exciting for another!
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Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
1741
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Posted - 2014.04.06 17:10:00 -
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Michael Ruckert wrote:Someone just knocked on my door saying Dalto Bane sent them.
Don't worry, the door doesn't open from the outside either. "You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion
***** Psychotic Monk and DJ FunkyBacon for CSM ***** |
Dalto Bane
V I R I I Ineluctable.
39
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Posted - 2014.04.06 17:39:00 -
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After some mail correspondence with The Shadow Broker, it would seem that a majority of his business has been from Griefers, Spies, and Awox'ers, than that of CEO's. That being, to test his abilities, and to see how exposed their alts might be.
This revelation does not suprise me in the least though. CEO's and fledgling Corporations are too lazy, or don't see the value of protecting their pilots, thus deserve all consequences that go along with it.
As to the ones that seem to think this is a time consuming process, its not. Google, Dotlan, Eve-Who, Eve-Live, Forums. To the fledgling griefer, awox'er, and spies.. Don't cross contaminate your Alts, change your writing style in forums and in chat channels. Make all of them all seem to be polar opposites. Thats just a fraction of some of the security measures you can take to protect yourself. The accounts I use for shady operations that are compromised/contaminated have now moved on to other things or retired for the time being. "Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep." |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2462
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Posted - 2014.04.06 23:07:00 -
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A lot of us don't make it much of a puzzle.
I know a character named "iPod Blues" that gets corp invites. I've seen corps surprised when "xxPopBlues420xx" ruined their mining op, and Minerbumping today is carrying a story of someone AWOXed by a character with a name like 'Neutralius Reppious'.
I wish I had more time to actively AWOX at the moment on characters with ridiculously obvious names. It's one of the most fun things to do in the game. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Panhandle Industries
397
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:35:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:A lot of us don't make it much of a puzzle.
I know a character named "iPod Blues" that gets corp invites. I've seen corps surprised when "xxPopBlues420xx" ruined their mining op, and Minerbumping today is carrying a story of someone AWOXed by a character with a name like 'Neutralius Reppious'.
I wish I had more time to actively AWOX at the moment on characters with ridiculously obvious names. It's one of the most fun things to do in the game. Don't forget xxSafariSpyLordxx 420ED AwoxPro-Best!
As for the OP, this is exactly the type of stuff I enjoy in eve. I'm acting as corporate security for my current corporation, though we do have an unsolved corporate theft. I need to get in touch with the shadow broker. I am extremely curious what connections there are between my characters, though anyone with my api should have no trouble figuring them out. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
550
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Posted - 2014.04.07 20:12:00 -
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OP, I dont get all the hateful posts.
EvE is a sandbox, and if the emergent-gameplay detective is what you wish to do, I can definitely see the appeal for it. Those of you making insults and jests at the OP, please consider the fact that a corp spy or AWOXer can be more dangerous than a capitol fleet on your doorstep.
It amazes me at the sheer amount of actual tools that are used at verifying EvE players. Some real work went into coding some of this stuff. Id like to see more on the subject myself.
+1 Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Panhandle Industries
400
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Posted - 2014.04.07 22:04:00 -
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Dalto Bane wrote:As to the ones that seem to think this is a time consuming process, its not. Google, Dotlan, Eve-Who, Eve-Live, Forums. To the fledgling griefer, awox'er, and spies.. Don't cross contaminate your Alts, change your writing style in forums and in chat channels. Make all of them all seem to be polar opposites. Thats just a fraction of some of the security measures you can take to protect yourself. The accounts I use for shady operations that are compromised/contaminated have now moved on to other things or retired for the time being.
Even more interesting is putting your alts in your bio. That way your enemies might actually try to hurt you.
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Who am I kidding. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Miulan Ng
Thirty Pieces of Silver
0
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Posted - 2014.04.07 22:58:00 -
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Though collecting intel may not be 'exciting' to some, your post reminded me of an old article about the Mittani, and how his spy network was instrumental in destroying his corp's adversaries. Knowledge is power. Don't let anyone dissuade you from your passion.
Mors tua, vita mia. |
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RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
768
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Posted - 2014.04.08 06:43:00 -
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We had a girl, Natalinnux, that could do a list of probable alts on almost anyone. She had amazing sixth sense and it helped her do the 'right' research.
Intel Is Powerful. |
350125GO
Transcendent Sedition Dustm3n
25
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Posted - 2014.04.08 14:47:00 -
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I read this post last night at a bar and didn't have time or patience to reply from my iphone. I think the number of hostile posts you received suggest you ruffled a feather or two. Keep doing what you're doing and post the results. The stories behind what you uncover would be interesting.
I'd like to see the ratio of actual work going into subterfuge (corp thieves who really work at infiltrating and then betraying the corp) and how many just get lucky with either a complete lack of vigilance on the corp's part, or just getting an opportunity and deciding to act.
My old corp had a theft once while evacuating from a lost station, and when I asked the pilot why he did it (he stole from his corpmates, not the corp) he told me he never thought of stealing before and wasn't his intention. But when he realized he had a couple billion worth of goods handed over to him to carrier haul he felt he couldn't resist.
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CowRocket Void
Hax. Triumvirate.
15
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Posted - 2014.04.08 21:16:00 -
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I once found out that a dude was gay and liked cigars. The resulting convo was...... interesting.
don't miss that job... |
Dalto Bane
V I R I I Ineluctable.
55
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Posted - 2014.04.08 22:32:00 -
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Miulan Ng wrote:Though collecting intel may not be 'exciting' to some, your post reminded me of an old article about the Mittani, and how his spy network was instrumental in destroying his corp's adversaries. Knowledge is power. Don't let anyone dissuade you from your passion.
I did enjoy the TheMittani's "Secrets of a Solar Spymaster", not to mention "Sins of a Solar Spymaster" which I had a good laugh. I believe, as long as you don't show favor with any group of players or play style, an Intelligence Broker could make many connections within Eve.
I have spoken directly to a few pilots out there since this thread that are interested in the game of "intelligence and espionage" and hope that I could one day have a hand in building some type of community that deals in this type of gameplay for all to use. But time can only tell. I have seen many Corporations that advertise this fall due to losing interest over time. "Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep." |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Panhandle Industries
405
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Posted - 2014.04.08 22:44:00 -
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350125GO wrote:I'd like to see the ratio of actual work going into subterfuge (corp thieves who really work at infiltrating and then betraying the corp) and how many just get lucky with either a complete lack of vigilance on the corp's part, or just getting an opportunity and deciding to act.
Honestly, in high sec its 99.9% lack of vigiliance and 0.1% effort. Most of finding a corp to awox is sitting in recruitment chat spamming and replying to every advert until you get a bite. Inevitably some poor soul won't have done their homework and invites you into their corp.
Infiltrating a corp with extensive background checks actually does require effort, and requires some time playing on a clean alt and account to get into the corp, while having no contact with your other characters.
Dalto Bane wrote:I believe, as long as you don't show favor with any group of players or play style, an Intelligence Broker could make many connections within Eve.
I have spoken directly to a few pilots out there since this thread that are interested in the game of "intelligence and espionage" and hope that I could one day have a hand in building some type of community that deals in this type of gameplay for all to use. But time can only tell. I have seen many Corporations that advertise this fall due to losing interest over time. I'm not sure that any community can properly operate as a whole in this profession. Any attempt to build one would be based around clean forum alts, a public head, and a multitude of contacts. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Miulan Ng
Thirty Pieces of Silver
2
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Posted - 2014.04.09 00:21:00 -
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350125GO wrote:Keep doing what you're doing and post the results. The stories behind what you uncover would be interesting.
Though I'm sure they'd be fascinating, I'd see how much those uncovered were willing to pay to stay in the shadows... Mors tua, vita mia. |
Dalto Bane
V I R I I Ineluctable.
56
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Posted - 2014.04.09 00:56:00 -
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Miulan Ng wrote:350125GO wrote:Keep doing what you're doing and post the results. The stories behind what you uncover would be interesting. Though I'm sure they'd be fascinating, I'd see how much those uncovered were willing to pay to stay in the shadows...
That is def some progressive thinking!
I would not wish to burn bridges during the process though. I have found that people that wish to remain hidden will much rather spend isk to seed new alts into places than to pay any ransom to keep from burning them, and then you have forever lost their trust and the trust of the pilots whom they could potentially influence.
I think the better way to run this type of "business" would be to only broker intelligence in the upstart. Quid Pro Quo would be especially beneficial in beginning when gathering alt names and bookmarks. I keep flashing back to Mafia movies where the Don never seems to ask for repayment for a favor right away, just a "Don't worry about it, We'll be in touch if we need something.". "Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep." |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4542
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Posted - 2014.04.09 01:07:00 -
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Has anyone mentioned yet that there already is a guy who does this? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Dalto Bane
V I R I I Ineluctable.
57
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Posted - 2014.04.09 01:33:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Has anyone mentioned yet that there already is a guy who does this?
I did mention it, referring to Monk's blog post about The Shadow Broker. "Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep." |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4542
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Posted - 2014.04.09 01:38:00 -
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Dalto Bane wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Has anyone mentioned yet that there already is a guy who does this? I did mention it, referring to Monk's blog post about The Shadow Broker.
Yeah, that's the guy. That mofo is pretty scary. If it's not hacks, then he is just insanely good. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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