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Wesley Otsdarva
Asuratech Industrial Corp AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2014.04.05 10:46:00 -
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Does anyone go out and gank incursion runners? I have never been in an incursion fleet but I feel like all of those ridiculously pimped out ships all on one grid would be too much to say no too. But I've never really heard of anyone ganking incursion fleets.
So anyone have stories of a good gank? Or a reason as to why nobody does it? I know smartbombing battleships would be expensive but the possible loot would be nice. |
Jessica Duranin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2014.04.05 11:02:00 -
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They usually get ganked on gates. Way easier than trying to get the loot out of a site with a fleet and npc rats inside. Gankers want easy kills - if they wanted a challenge they wouldn't gank.
You would need A LOT of smartbombs to kill an incursion battleship. They usually have 100k+ EHP. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11030
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Posted - 2014.04.05 11:03:00 -
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It happens on stations and gates. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Salvos Rhoska
988
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Posted - 2014.04.05 11:03:00 -
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Kill the logi, and the rest of the fleet dies. ------------ |
GreenSeed
981
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Posted - 2014.04.05 11:05:00 -
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sometimes a ganking fleet forms up, everyone docks up or switches to rokhs, and a weekend later its all in the past.
there's no regular ganking of incursion ships, sadly. |
Prie Mary
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
121
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Posted - 2014.04.05 11:06:00 -
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Yes and no. Some people run around preloading sites in the hope someone died through the game mechanics then swoop in and scoop loot.
As a Incursion runner myself I have always wondered why people don't gank us. I know of 2 people officer fit, and the rest at 4b+ in most communitys.
Don't come and gank us, but on the flip side please do as its all part of the game and it would help keep certain people in their place Dont just think outside the box, Live outside of it... |
Jessica Duranin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2014.04.05 11:12:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:try to Kill the logi, and the rest of the fleet warps out fixed
Good luck getting into range of the logis before the fleet evacuates. (Yes, I've seen people actually try that - no it didn't work) |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3072
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Posted - 2014.04.05 11:14:00 -
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Never done it because I always figured the fleet AWOXers wouldnt like someone muscling in on their patch *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
198
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Posted - 2014.04.05 11:39:00 -
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i have only ever seen a gank on a fleet member once in all the times i have done incursions, it was actually at a planet while reforming a fleet a bunch of talo's warped in under some mercenary contract to kill a specific fleet members ship, they did it, died to concord, fleet carried on a short time later.
Most incursion losses to ganks happen during transit between new spawns as a lone ship is very vulnerable yeta fleet of 40 pilots actively controlling thier ships is extremely tough to take on. Maybe if you send in like 60 gank ships to overwhelm the fleet? not really worth it then
Also, taking a fleet in a site is never going to work, the moment you start pumping out the kind of ewar demanded to shut down a fleet, sansha decide YOU are delicious looking and your ship with its all gank no tank is dead in 1 volley |
Cheng Musana
Purple Space Ponys AAA Citizens
63
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Posted - 2014.04.05 11:46:00 -
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I would imagine it would be quite hard to do cause they allways have logi support and buffer tank. Both in combination= hard to gank. Well you would need to throw alot of money into the gank ship to be aible to do something. |
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Salvos Rhoska
988
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Posted - 2014.04.05 11:47:00 -
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Tbh Incursions should be moved to low-sec.
Profits are insane for high-sec safety. Makes sense from a fluff perspective too. Not to mention imagine the meta involved in high-sec making deals with low-sec pirates/residents for safe-passage and perhaps even protection. And, ofc, being that much closer to Null also taking interest in crossing into Low for those self same Incursions. ------------ |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3076
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Posted - 2014.04.05 11:54:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Tbh Incursions should be moved to low-sec.
Profits are insane for high-sec safety. Makes sense from a fluff perspective too.
You should tell Sansha Kuvakei he's doing it wrong
Invasions of Empires should always be directed towards their useless fringe provinces and not their industrial heartlands *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Silky Cyno
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2014.04.05 11:55:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Tbh Incursions should be moved to low-sec.
Profits are insane for high-sec safety. Makes sense from a fluff perspective too.
They are in lowsec so now you can go gank them at your leisure, happy hunting. |
Salvos Rhoska
988
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Posted - 2014.04.05 11:56:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:You should tell Sansha Kuvakei he's doing it wrong Invasions of Empires should always be directed towards their useless fringe provinces and not their industrial heartlands
He is doing it wrong. He's losing every fight. ------------ |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3076
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Posted - 2014.04.05 11:57:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:You should tell Sansha Kuvakei he's doing it wrong Invasions of Empires should always be directed towards their useless fringe provinces and not their industrial heartlands He is doing it wrong. He's losing every fight.
And seizing empty space would be a great victory becausewhy? *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Prie Mary
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
121
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Posted - 2014.04.05 12:03:00 -
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It would be very easy to gank a individual, simply put a point on them as the rest of the fleet engages gate and enters a site, leaving said target alone and helpless Dont just think outside the box, Live outside of it... |
Prie Mary
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
121
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Posted - 2014.04.05 12:07:00 -
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A certain pilot PopplerRO has been spotted in a officer fitted vargur Dont just think outside the box, Live outside of it... |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2560
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Posted - 2014.04.05 13:34:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Tbh Incursions should be moved to low-sec.
Profits are insane for high-sec safety. Makes sense from a fluff perspective too. Not to mention imagine the meta involved in high-sec making deals with low-sec pirates/residents for safe-passage and perhaps even protection. And, ofc, being that much closer to Null also taking interest in crossing into Low for those self same Incursions.
Please don't talk about this risk/reward crap. A couple things:
1. The current state of incursions is that one or two groups are intent on shutting down all but one of the high sec sites, or in many cases, ALL of the high sec sites, so there are NO high sec incursions. As I type this, 3 are up. One is a high sec island that is surrounded by about 8 jumps of low, and has been up for about 5 days. The other two appeared less than 24 hours ago, and Incursion runners went almost 48 hours without ANY sites, because the two true high sec sites were popped prematurely by ISN and DIN about an hour apart on Wednesday.
So the ISK faucet you talk about is simply a lie.
2. The risk to run one of these is high. There are tons of gankers around, and people lose ships all the time. So don't start this crap about risk-free.
Further, given that missions just got hammered with the loot nerf, that means there will be even more pressure on these sites as more people turn to them to fund their gameplay. If incursions get wrecked (actually when, as the cartels are working on that with the CSM), you can just watch a big drop in subs. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3081
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Posted - 2014.04.05 14:07:00 -
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I love* how Salvos goes back and edits his own posts in an attempt to undermine flaws others point out in this position that he can't actually counter
*"Love" may equate to "despise as cowardly" in some instances. Seek medical advice before ingesting. Not suitable for minors *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Salvos Rhoska
992
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Posted - 2014.04.05 14:18:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:I love* how Salvos goes back and edits his own posts in an attempt to undermine flaws others point out in this position that he can't actually counter
I have not.
I sometimes add afterthoughts, but I never remove or fundamentally change anything that is already there.
And I don't appreciate you making this false accusation either. ------------ |
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3082
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Posted - 2014.04.05 14:25:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:
And I don't appreciate you
Does my face look bothered? *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
199
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Posted - 2014.04.05 14:35:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Tbh Incursions should be moved to low-sec.
Profits are insane for high-sec safety. Makes sense from a fluff perspective too. Not to mention imagine the meta involved in high-sec making deals with low-sec pirates/residents for safe-passage and perhaps even protection. And, ofc, being that much closer to Null also taking interest in crossing into Low for those self same Incursions.
profit for 40 ppl while the other 4-500 in a community channel do nothing. Out of the 20-40000 online at that time. I dont know why ppl say incursions are single handedly breaking things. You may be in an incursion chat channel but if you arent in the fleet your isk per millenium is 0. Being part of a community does not give you isk, getting lucky and being fast, in a needed ship is what you need.
Also as the other guy said, in this day and age with 4-5 major players in the high sec incursion scene its COMMON for there to be no fleets running because contests spur early site closures bringing the ENTIRE scene to a grinding halt. Even when they are up, theres plenty of contesting and such ensuring no 1 community gets the whole hog and isk/hour is erratic at best.
Prie Mary wrote:It would be very easy to gank a individual, simply put a point on them as the rest of the fleet engages gate and enters a site, leaving said target alone and helpless
thats typically a newbro, in a hyperion or a rokh, maybe though you'll find the odd slacker logi or the dude in a t2 fit pirate hull. Sure its kinda shiny but its certainly no super win for the ganker, them t2 loots! |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
1875
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Posted - 2014.04.05 14:40:00 -
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Not enough drama in this thread.
During 2 years I heard about 3 ganked battleships: 1 was targeted "assassination" in German community, another was random gate gank of moderately good nightmare, third was popped freighter in Niarja with a battleship inside. I guess incursion battleships aren't too attractive targets. Especially considering many of the players with the most pimped ships don't really need more ISKies and do it just for fun and can stay docked for days while chatting in community (TS) channel. |
Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
199
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Posted - 2014.04.05 14:45:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:Not enough drama in this thread.
During 2 years I heard about 3 ganked battleships: 1 was targeted "assassination" in German community, another was random gate gank of moderately good nightmare, third was popped freighter in Niarja with a battleship inside. I guess incursion battleships aren't too attractive targets. Especially considering many of the players with the most pimped ships don't really need more ISKies and do it just for fun and can stay docked for days while chatting in community (TS) channel.
once upon a time i fitted officer heatsinks to a legion and that drew attention which i didnt like. I didnt try that again. I did survive though. Legion Power!
Lipbite speaks the truth, successful ganks are rare and I have never seen myself or heard of a ship being ganked in a site. In transit or while sitting in space waiting for something (reform, new ppl to get on gate so on) are the main reasons i have heard of
also, hi Lipbite! |
Sibyyl
356
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Posted - 2014.04.05 14:50:00 -
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I'm not sure I understand why incursions are more or less inaccessible to newer players. I'm a bit annoyed to read about 100s of millions in ISK/hour from what seems like very little effort and plenty of SP.
And people complain about miners ruining EVE.
Am I missing something?
/Fÿ¡
Now that you are *campers* you will have more *parties* and no more *sad* *lonely* *bubbles*. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3082
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Posted - 2014.04.05 14:51:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:I'm not sure I understand why incursions are more or less inaccessible to newer players. I'm a bit annoyed to read about 100s of millions in ISK/hour from what seems like very little effort and plenty of SP.
And people complain about miners ruining EVE.
Am I missing something?
/Fÿ¡
Yes
They are known as Raids and/or Level 70+ Dungeons in other games *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
1875
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Posted - 2014.04.05 15:00:00 -
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Aramatheia wrote:also, hi Lipbite! /hug
I feel we are turning this hardocre PvP dramatic thread into TVP chat.
As for people thinking incursion runners getting too much money for no effort - try to gather 100+ billions worth fleet by yourself (23/7/365). |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3082
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Posted - 2014.04.05 15:02:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:Aramatheia wrote:also, hi Lipbite! /hug I feel we are turning this hardocre PvP dramatic thread into TVP chat.
As in Quorn? *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
200
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Posted - 2014.04.05 15:14:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:I'm not sure I understand why incursions are more or less inaccessible to newer players. I'm a bit annoyed to read about 100s of millions in ISK/hour from what seems like very little effort and plenty of SP.
And people complain about miners ruining EVE.
Am I missing something?
/Fÿ¡
80 ppl can comfortably run in a hq system at near peak effectiveness. Thats 2 fleets, increase that to 5 fleets and effectiveness is at the outright lowest income, the next lowest level is no incursion at all. There is around 5 incursion groups able to field hq fleets.
A typical system can have anything from 5 to 20 asteroid belts, they can take an hour or 2 to clear depending on fleet size, up to an entire day and still not cleared if a solo miner is lucky to go unharrased, and likely botting lol. A massively greater number of pilots can engage in mining at the same time. Mining requires far less imput to be effective, mining is also horribly boring and conducive to "afk" gameplay. Mining belts have a garanteed respawn every downtime. Its not possible for 60 people (a mom fleet) to turn off mining for all of highsec. And if somehow some group managed to mine all of highsec entirely in under a day, it would be back the next dt.
Once upon a time incursions were lower sp, you could get in with a t2 tank BC hull and do vanguards. The bar has been raised, so much that even a standard non elite community has its will take and wont take fittings and ship types. back in the past though there was 2 communities and incursions were farmed for all thier worth and they didnt end untill just before the game automatically closed them. To counter isk rates were lower per hour. Advanced fleets of today dont suddenly mean everyones cashing in. Tell me, if what yopu did for isk was not available for 2 days, how much isk do you generate sitting in a station (not a trade hub just a random station somewhere) The answer will be nothing or close too.
Incursions, high standard efficiency oriented limited duration and highly competative field.
Mining. Low standard, easily accessable, cheap to enter, virtually unlimited duration and barring tradehub proximity systems, very non competative. Also "afk" gameplay boring a vast motivator for multiboxing and botting
Lipbite wrote:Aramatheia wrote:also, hi Lipbite! /hug I feel we are turning this hardocre PvP dramatic thread into TVP chat.
Lipbite...
fleet? :D |
Salvos Rhoska
992
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Posted - 2014.04.05 15:17:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:
And I don't appreciate you
Does my face look bothered?
Lets please not discuss what your face looks like...
As to topic, as I said, move Incursions to LS. ------------ |
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