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SubStandard Rin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.09 08:24:00 -
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The new Cynabal changes are "Better" but still it gets thrown under the bus losing that much PG is way to much. From my own perspective i will not use it with the current suggestions the fitting issue is way to heavy to just have faster warp speeds.
adding a bonus to Webbing resistance for say 10-15% would be one way above the change to make them more unique from the mimatar. and webbing exist in pve so its not totaly wased there also.
To bad your not going down the route of allowing MWD while scram on them instead that would have been so neat for a hit and run faction as Angels.
the Gila is still a problem with only "Medium drones" I would want to see it something like this
25 Bandwith
300% drone dammage (universal) 500% medium drone dammage increase medium drone bandwith usage by 10% (11 instead of 10 to prevent 2 med + 1 light combo)
that way
a# you could deploy 1 sentry drone or 1 heavy drone with reduced efficiency b# you could deploy 2 Medium drones with full efficiency c# you could deploy 5 light drones with reduced efficiency
now that would give us both flexibility and specialization
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Awakened.
1461
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Posted - 2014.04.09 08:25:00 -
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The vigilant and the cynabal didn't really need nerfing seeing how the other pirate faction cruisers are getting buffed quit a lot. +1 |
May Ke
Watch It Burn
24
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Posted - 2014.04.09 08:34:00 -
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Well done. You've killed the Cynabal. I hate you. That was my favorite ship, now it's nerfed. 25% reduction in PG? I seem to remember you doing the same thing with the Hurricane in the first pass of rebalancing, then brought out the Navy Cane which was the same as the old cane, we just had to pay more for it. Do you have a new version of the Cynabal coming out, that will be more expensive, but the same ship as we have now.
I hate you. You've screwed up my favorite ship... again. Who? Me? |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
731
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Posted - 2014.04.09 09:25:00 -
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May Ke wrote:Well done. You've killed the Cynabal. I hate you. That was my favorite ship, now it's nerfed. 25% reduction in PG? I seem to remember you doing the same thing with the Hurricane in the first pass of rebalancing, then brought out the Navy Cane which was the same as the old cane, we just had to pay more for it. Do you have a new version of the Cynabal coming out, that will be more expensive, but the same ship as we have now.
I hate you. You've screwed up my favorite ship... again.
But look at the bright side. You can now call yourself a "bitter vet" without a hint of irony. Any one can be a veteran, but to be truly bitter you have to have CCP smash your dream and break your toys.
Now get in line with all the Amarr pilots who had to train missiles and drones and learn to love the CruiseGeddon |
Rab See
Fool Mental Junket
57
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Posted - 2014.04.09 09:50:00 -
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Yup - when we gaze across this group of ships, we will muse that they all got something interesting.
Vigi - ultrauberwebs - no massive change
Ashimu - uberwebs/vamp - nice change
Gila - small gang swarm for 1 - lovely
Phantasm - afterburning heaven.
Cynabal, well, take a Vaga, Ruppy, Stabber/FI, ScyFI, hell, take a Bellicose. Cynabal is gone, not forgotten.
Seriously, give me ANY cruiser EVER, please CCP, can you give me one example of a ship fitted with warp rigs (there is no other real way to improve your warp speed). I stated that you could mess it up more with a Target Painting bonus, but you've picked the obscure and shined this turd.
ITs the one thing we see with Minmatar ships generally, poor bonuses because their ewar is useful in one case, and useless in the other case, and you know it because the screams of laughter if you put it onto a decent ship would be instant. There are no pirate ships that use TPs, thankfully.
Given how agile T1 cruisers have got, how fast they've got, how cheap they are, I wouldn't risk a Cynabal 'getting there first' just to die quickly to a pair of these. The rest of the gang trundle behind you laughing at the new 'diemost'. |
Crysantos Callahan
Control-Space DARKNESS.
21
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Posted - 2014.04.09 10:28:00 -
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First of all, thanks for the feedback Rise.
But maybe you could tweak the Gila a bit, too. I get the idea to have cruiser vs. cruiser drone beast focused on medium drones, comparted to the frigate focused worm. But it doesn't make sense to limit its drone set to 4 light drones. I'd love to see a bonus to light drones, too - at least a 25% buff to hp and dmg to make up for the lost fifth drone. But why not even go one step further and make it at least a 50% bonus?
Comparing it to the ishtar, which is also a dual bonus drone boat (heavies and sentries) this would create the counterpart for small ships.
I like the idea of a faster warp cynabal, which fits into the pattern people used it before, too. If you don't feel comfortable with the high PG that people could use to fit xl asb or whatever, just give the damn ship a pg need bonus for arties :-) |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
697
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Posted - 2014.04.09 10:31:00 -
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Icewolf7 wrote:CCP Rise wrote:
GILA
Gallente Cruiser Bonus: 10% bonus to kinetic and thermal missile damage (was 10% drone damage and hitpoints)
Caldari Cruiser Bonus: 4% bonus to all shield resistances
Role Bonus: 500% bonus to medium drone damage and hitpoints (was 50% bonus to Light Missile and Rocket max velocity)
Slot layout: 5H, 6M, 4L; 0 turrets, 4 launchers(+1) Fittings: 670 PWG(+40), 400 CPU(+50) Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 3200(+12) / 2200(-125) / 2490 Capacitor (amount / recharge / cap per second) : 1400(+25) / 530000 (-1250) / 2.85 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 195(+31) / .66 / 9600000 / 8.78s Drones (bandwidth / bay): 20(-105) / 100(-300) Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 58km (+3km) / 285 / 7 Sensor strength: 22 Signature radius: 145(-5)
Do you even use drones? The Gila in its current version is a versatile ship but a little underpowered(Fitting wise), these changes however will effectively cut it out of all the Role's it currently can fill and add none that are practical. So your going to turn the gila into a 2 medium drone boat with some extra missile damage? please find me 1 person who flies the Gila Now in pvp or pve that will continue to use it after these changes. No more sentries? cant tower bash or snipe, no more heavies? No more close quarters brawling or structure grinding. No drone boat exclusively uses Medium drones unless that's the best it can field, they use lights, heavy's, sentries and sometimes ECM. The only thing these changes will accomplish is no one will continuously fly the Gila anymore past the 1st one they lose. Need an alternative? First leave the drone's alone or maybe a slight nerf if needed to compensate for missile dmg buff (100 bandwidth from 125) Imagine a Gila that had 4 Heavy's and 4 Heavy assault Missile launchers OR 4 sentries with 4 Heavy missile launcher Fix the fittings to allow a decent missile SND tank load out. Add some maneuverability to it, like the phantasm AB changes.
This may turn out to be way better suited to the gila than you think. Try to get beyond the word medium. What this actually is with the damage bonus etc etc is a ship that fields a flight of drones with the damage of a flight of heavies, but faster, harder to hit, and better with tracking. It will be wonderful as you will be maneverable and fast rather than being forced to orbit your sentries.
It suits the character of a cruiser much much better, if they did this to all my cruisers, i would be delighted it would particuarly suit the stratios too. Sentries are great because heavies are a nightmare, this gives you around the power without the downside.
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Mihnea Tepes
Astral Silence Surely You're Joking
28
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Posted - 2014.04.09 11:03:00 -
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well Ashimmu has very specific role with its web efficiency, if i will want to have long range webs, i will take loki or i will take any other cheap crui under links
somehow im missing the point of this rebalance, especially after i saw improvements on HACs (and comparing their prices - its almost the same, comparing their quality - its frustrating) |
Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
158
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Posted - 2014.04.09 11:08:00 -
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GILA
Gallente Cruiser Bonus: 10% bonus to kinetic and thermal missile damage (was 10% drone damage and hitpoints)
CYNABAL
Gallente Cruiser Bonus: 10% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret falloff
The roleplaying community must really love this Eve rule no.1: The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans.
http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg
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Mihnea Tepes
Astral Silence Surely You're Joking
28
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Posted - 2014.04.09 11:14:00 -
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Freelancer117 wrote:GILA Gallente Cruiser Bonus: 10% bonus to kinetic and thermal missile damage (was 10% drone damage and hitpoints) CYNABAL Gallente Cruiser Bonus: 10% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret falloff The roleplaying community must really love this
Yes indeed :D
this whole Summer change seems to me like April joke |
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Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
97
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Posted - 2014.04.09 11:17:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Naomi Anthar wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Has anyone checked out the fittings for the Ashimmu now that it's only -120 grid instead of -200? Yeah which is actually pretty good. Removing one utility high (medium neut 175pwg) wasnt equal to 250 pwg nerf (you need to include skill ... lets not even mention implants) That's about what I had figured myself. Napkin math for the win. So now it just looks like the choice is up between 3 turrets and 2 Nos, or 3 Nos and 2 turrets. I halfway imagine that the addition of a dronebay will make up for the loss of the third turret in that eventuality. Ought to end up decently close to it's previous DPS rating with 3 turrets. It has an extra low slot. Fitting mods for the win. I'm going to make one fit with full nuets, I'm sure it will still be possible. Or at least I hope so. |
Lisa Sophie d'Elancourt
Empusa.
3
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Posted - 2014.04.09 11:21:00 -
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Michael Harari wrote:Lisa Sophie d'Elancourt wrote:What's the reason CCP decided neutrons can't be fitted in vigilant? Give up pg penalty. Neutrons fit fine. With ions you can even fit double 1600 plate [Vigilant, New Setup 2] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Internal Force Field Array I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Ancillary Current Router II I know, I know, but thank you anyway. The matter is for that price people expect ship with reasonable stats. Vigilants are seen seldom and pg nerf push them away much more.
Naomi Anthar wrote:Lisa Sophie d'Elancourt wrote:Naomi Anthar wrote:Wow thanks for keeping quiet substantial pwg nerf on vigilant while you save Cyna/Ashimmu !!! Gj Rise. Cynas should stay as good as they are and Ashimmu won't suffer with pwg since it won't fit one more med neut/nos at all. As someone noticed already you show clearly obssesional butthurt about vigilant. Yeah i'm butthurt about 90% webs. Not only me, i would say plenty of people are about serpentis ships. You got me. I'm butthurt, what you gonna do about it ? Not that butthurt as before tho - as some nerf did slip in for one of those "underpowered" hulls. Obssesional ? As soon as topic will go down, same will happen with "obssesion" clearly making not really an obssesion. I try to make an impact when impact can be made - aka when we can provide feedback. Can't recall myself making single topic about serpentis being op. Hardly can call that my priority. This balance pass is small victory tho, maybe BS changes can make me smile even more. Now eat the nerf like a man.
Make up your mind what's the problem. Most people here protest against pg nerf. And most of them say (and I share their opinion) it makes sense to discuss some web adjustement. There are ships which seem overpowered to me (ishtar for expample). The difference between us is I can live with that, while you whine loudly.
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Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
97
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Posted - 2014.04.09 11:24:00 -
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Albert Spear wrote:The Phantasm is my favorite PvE ship. In high and low sec it use it routinely for ratting.
While the changes mean making fitting changes, I can deal with that, I have already tried about a dozen fits. I am going to have to increases some fitting skills to get to the point where the extra low slot is useful. The loss of the high either means dropping a laser or carrying a mobile tractor. With a 250 m3 hold - the tractor means a very tight cargo space for loot and salvage. More returns to base during runs to drop loot.
The extra speed is nice, the AB bonus, too - but with the Grid and CPU where they are, I probably will not fit an AB, at least until I get my skills up.
I may when it is all said and done revert to a destroyer for high sec ratting and park my Phantasm for a couple of months.
5 more points of CPU and 5 of Grid would open some real possibilities for folks who are not max'ed on skills.
But wait - I am talking about PvE...........so never mind......balancing is about max skill players and PvP.
Silly me. Your situation is pretty irrelevant I am afraid as you don't even have maximum fitting skills. That is the minimum requirement for any reasonable discussion.
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Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
97
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Posted - 2014.04.09 11:33:00 -
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Has anyone got the EFT files for the proposed ships available? |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
697
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Posted - 2014.04.09 12:05:00 -
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SubStandard Rin wrote:The new Cynabal changes are "Better" but still it gets thrown under the bus losing that much PG is way to much. From my own perspective i will not use it with the current suggestions the fitting issue is way to heavy to just have faster warp speeds.
adding a bonus to Webbing resistance for say 10-15% would be one way above the change to make them more unique from the mimatar. and webbing exist in pve so its not totaly wased there also.
To bad your not going down the route of allowing MWD while scram on them instead that would have been so neat for a hit and run faction as Angels.
the Gila is still a problem with only "Medium drones" I would want to see it something like this
25 Bandwith
300% drone dammage (universal) 500% medium drone dammage increase medium drone bandwith usage by 10% (11 instead of 10 to prevent 2 med + 1 light combo)
that way
a# you could deploy 1 sentry drone or 1 heavy drone with reduced efficiency b# you could deploy 2 Medium drones with full efficiency c# you could deploy 5 light drones with reduced efficiency
now that would give us both flexibility and specialization
I think that the light drones should also gain a bonus, but I do see the point of steering this ship away from sentries. The mobility of this ship is one of it's great assets.
Keep the bandwidth and Give light drones a 250-300% bonus, and you have the perfect rebalance of this ship in my opinion. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
97
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Posted - 2014.04.09 12:06:00 -
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Just edited EveHQ, and one thing is for certain, the Ashimmu is going to be a hell of a lot of fun with those endless vampires. It has just enough PG to sustain a full rack of nuets / vamps with two med armour reppers. Unfortunately no plate though, but with enough cap to sustain two active reppers, that makes up for it. Thank you Rise, cannot wait to try out this beast. It is finally going to be good at what is it meant to be good at, nueting out a target and being a complete ***** to kill. The endless nuets will give it a whole new niche of its own. |
Elisk Skyforge
Night Raven Task Force Night Raven Alliance
20
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Posted - 2014.04.09 12:07:00 -
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Lets hope Rattlesnake would still be able to have sentry drones, if not Im reprocessing mine into minerals and trashing them. I think I broke your game CCP-->-áhttp://i.imgur.com/4pGZ5qJ.jpg?1 |
Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
97
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Posted - 2014.04.09 12:10:00 -
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Elisk Skyforge wrote:Lets hope Rattlesnake would still be able to have sentry drones, if not Im reprocessing mine into minerals and trashing them. Make sure you do it before the summer scrap metal processing nerf. :) The way it is going, I highly doubt it will be able to use sentries. |
Caitlyn Tufy
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
601
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Posted - 2014.04.09 12:28:00 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote:Elisk Skyforge wrote:Lets hope Rattlesnake would still be able to have sentry drones, if not Im reprocessing mine into minerals and trashing them. Make sure you do it before the summer scrap metal processing nerf. :) The way it is going, I highly doubt it will be able to use sentries.
It will. Light Drones = frigate weapon system, Medium Drones = cruiser weapon system, Large AND Sentry Drones = battleship weapon system. The only difference is, Heavies are close range and Sentries are long range.
I wouldn't be surprised if CCP eventually introduced light and medium sentries too. |
Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
97
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Posted - 2014.04.09 12:36:00 -
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Ashimmu
2x Medium Nosferatu II 3x Heavy Pulse Laser II (Conflagration M)
10MN Microwarpdrive II 2x Stasis Webifier II Warp Disruptor II
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer (Nanite Repair Paste) Damage Control II Adaptive Nano Plating II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 2x Heat Sink II
Medium Nanobot Accelerator II 2x Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Effective HP: 22,064 (Eve: 19,215) Tank Ability: 312.74 DPS
Capacitor (Lasts 5m 10s)
Volley Damage: 1,446.41 DPS: 470.47
Just a quick draft for the new Ashimmu. Good enough as cap stable. Can kite and also brawl at close range so should be quite versatile. Also will do more dps with the 40m3 of drones. This isn't the best fitting I came up with, there is much better possible. But this is going to be an awesome ship. When is it coming on Singularity Rise? |
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2616
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Posted - 2014.04.09 12:39:00 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote:Elisk Skyforge wrote:Lets hope Rattlesnake would still be able to have sentry drones, if not Im reprocessing mine into minerals and trashing them. Make sure you do it before the summer scrap metal processing nerf. :) The way it is going, I highly doubt it will be able to use sentries.
Based on the idiocy we are witnessing, expect a drone bandwidth of 50, with bonuses strictly for heavies. It will of course, be a complete waste of a ship. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Mike Whiite
Space Mutts The Harlequin's
348
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Posted - 2014.04.09 12:43:00 -
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I'm not a fan of some of the changes concerning lore (though I've stated as much in the Frigate thread)
I like what CCP intents with the Gila, it will becme more a Missile/Drone Hybride than just a drone boat that can fire missiles. I realy think the Gila is going to Rock with rapid lights, and I don't like the new RML.
The only thing I dislike about it, is that 2 of the most versible weapon systems this game has, are getting as much restrictions as they get now.
Giving it a missile bonus instead of kenetic/thermic bones and making the drone bonus more general would make it more complete (even if that requires a to tune down it's current damage potential a little bit.)
Oh and give it a new design, pretty please
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Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
440
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Posted - 2014.04.09 13:06:00 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote:Your situation is pretty irrelevant I am afraid as you don't even have maximum fitting skills. That is the minimum requirement for any reasonable discussion. Maximum skills in EVE are minimum requirement for discussion, folks. V's or GTFO! DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/
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Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
97
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Posted - 2014.04.09 13:10:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Medalyn Isis wrote:Elisk Skyforge wrote:Lets hope Rattlesnake would still be able to have sentry drones, if not Im reprocessing mine into minerals and trashing them. Make sure you do it before the summer scrap metal processing nerf. :) The way it is going, I highly doubt it will be able to use sentries. Based on the idiocy we are witnessing, expect a drone bandwidth of 50, with bonuses strictly for heavies. It will of course, be a complete waste of a ship. Yes, I reckon it will be a heavy drone specific bonus. |
Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
97
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Posted - 2014.04.09 13:11:00 -
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Markku Laaksonen wrote:Medalyn Isis wrote:Your situation is pretty irrelevant I am afraid as you don't even have maximum fitting skills. That is the minimum requirement for any reasonable discussion. Maximum skills in EVE are minimum requirement for discussion, folks. V's or GTFO! Well, I said maximum fitting skills, not maximum skills. |
Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
97
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Posted - 2014.04.09 13:14:00 -
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Rise, these cruiser hulls look good now. Any chance we can get the battleship proposals now? Then we can get them all on Singularity as soon as possible and provide some proper hands on feedback. Any ETA you can give us for this? |
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CCP Rise
C C P C C P Alliance
4012
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Posted - 2014.04.09 13:29:00 -
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Battleships coming soon
I'm not sure exactly when we will be able to get this stuff on Singularity but hopefully it won't be too long. @ccp_rise |
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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
730
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Posted - 2014.04.09 13:37:00 -
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Angels still need some work .. and webs need a nerf... i would also like to hear from Rise why gurista get to keep that extra slot yet still have 350 on rigs .. it seems a bit backward really... lose a slot and give 400 for rigs.. Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist mechanic. Nerf web strength ..... module tiercide FTW role based instead of tiers please. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2617
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Posted - 2014.04.09 13:42:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Battleships coming soon I'm not sure exactly when we will be able to get this stuff on Singularity but hopefully it won't be too long.
How about you address the myriad issues people have with these proposed cruiser changes first, then focus on ruining the battleships?
Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
97
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Posted - 2014.04.09 13:48:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:CCP Rise wrote:Battleships coming soon I'm not sure exactly when we will be able to get this stuff on Singularity but hopefully it won't be too long. How about you address the myriad issues people have with these proposed cruiser changes first, then focus on ruining the battleships? He has already addressed most the issues that were raised. We just need to get them on Singularity now and provide some proper feedback in my opinion. Obviously if you are wishing for him to completely revert the Gurista drone changes, then we are going to be waiting a long time, as basically it isn't going to happen. |
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