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N'maro Makari
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:01:00 -
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Been some time since I actually began a discussion here. All good things come to and end, as they say.
So, in a departure from all normal business, I thought we could take a minute to consider a subject that has been conspicuously absent from current affairs.
It begs questions.
What happened to the Jove?
Are they still alive?
If they are dead, what happened?
If alive, are they still watching us?
Why, in either case, do we know so little? Is it possible to get an answer?
Any and all questions and answers, fire away. Let's get that ball rolling. As the popular saying goes: "Foil hat time".
Vherokior-á |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
287
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:53:00 -
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What happened to the Jove? They wouldn't share their cookies with me, so I killed them.
Are they still alive? No
If they are dead, what happened? See answer #1
If alive, are they still watching us? Their dead, so no.
Why, in either case, do we know so little? Because after killing them I ransacked and destroyed all their stuff looking for that cookie recipe.
Is it possible to get an answer? No, and I'm sorry for that. The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6153
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Posted - 2014.04.07 19:06:00 -
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Mr. Makari;
The simple truth is that we don't know, and are unlikely to know any time in the near future. It's clear that their history has something to do with the Sleepers-- who I believe are the 'Statics' that my old Jove briefings discussed --but beyond that ancient history, and the assumption that the Talocan are the precursors of those we'd call the 'Jove,' I'd say we know very little indeed. What I do feel is that whatever is happening involves the Sleepers, Rogue Drones, and Sanshas.
The possibilities are as such:
1) The Jove have become Sleepers themselves, to save themselves from the wasting disease; the Sansha are taking advantage of this.
2) The Jove have in fact all wasted away, and the Sansha have been salvaging spoils.
3) The Jove remain and continue to experiment with themselves and on us, in an attempt to stave off the disease; they are colluding with the Sanshas either as part of the experiment (using the Sanshas to harvest samples), or to fight the Sleepers.
4) The Jove have succumbed to a Sansha invasion, and are now either part of the Sanshas, or are besieged by Sanshas.
Of all of these, I feel that the second part of option four is preferable; because it means that they still resist, and that Jove technology won't be absorbed completely by the Sansha.
Mind, none of these options explain the strange occurrences we see with regard to Rogue Drones, or the seeming resemblance between Sleeper technology and some rogue drone hives.
In any case, I'll have to review my materials. I'm stuck in the office at the moment, and all of my reference material is stored as hardcopy with the DC57/Ascendency material in my hangar. Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs. |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
601
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Posted - 2014.04.07 22:14:00 -
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I believe a recent article I published concerning the Jove can help in this discussion: Shrouded in mystery, the Jovian race
Concerning the current status of the Jovians, it's hard to guess, but we do know there's Sansha presence in Jove space, so no matter the angle, that's bad news for us. -áAyem Colony Expansion Progress -á First year anniversary of the Caldari Prime battle was a success! |
N'maro Makari
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
402
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Posted - 2014.04.08 18:32:00 -
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Astute observations, but a thought occurs.
As I remember it (please do fact check me), the Jovian Prosper Vault incident was the last time any Jovian organisation made any official statement, the statement itself being that they had re-established total control and expelled the Sansha's fleet.
After that, total blackout, nothing.
Thoughts? Vherokior-á |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6157
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Posted - 2014.04.08 19:14:00 -
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Hm. Mr. Makari, I've been trying to locate that release. Do you have a reference? The context may be useful. Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs. |
N'maro Makari
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
402
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Posted - 2014.04.08 19:48:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Hm. Mr. Makari, I've been trying to locate that release. Do you have a reference? The context may be useful.
Archived materials are somewhat unwieldy but I do have a few interesting bits:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1428669&_ga=1.147673399.1872367541.1396985190
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1363158
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1560191#post1560191
((Also via EVE source, and somewhat disappointed that I can't find anything else. Can ESource be referenced?)) Vherokior-á |
Shelby Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin
688
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Posted - 2014.04.08 21:33:00 -
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The who??
My sister says this is silly fantasy and myths.
Wormhole Intern | Baby Dusette "Generally Clueless" The Wormhole Sisters of EVE |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
289
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Posted - 2014.04.08 21:54:00 -
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Shelby Dusette wrote:The who??
My sister says this is silly fantasy and myths.
nope, they were real. But then I killed them... For their cookies... The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6157
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Posted - 2014.04.08 22:34:00 -
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((re: EVE Source-- seeing as there's an ingame item, I'd say yes. I just need to finish reading mine before Mak can say she's, y'know, plugged it in. >.> ))
Ms. Dusette; if you'll consult the news archives, you'll find Jove involvement in an advanced technology distribution scandal (advanced-tech mining lasers, specifically), and in a teleportation experiment accident. These are news from within the last decade, and so we certainly have existant record of their activities.
Mr. Makari; reviewing those entries, I don't see any statements by the Jove. Did I miss it? A new theory could be that CONCORD is aware that the Sanshas found nothing because CONCORD had already stripped the system, or the Jove had stripped it before... well, whatever they did?
Basically, I'm wondering when we last heard from a Jove representative, now. Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs. |
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Shelby Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin
688
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Posted - 2014.04.08 23:57:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:((re: EVE Source-- seeing as there's an ingame item, I'd say yes. I just need to finish reading mine before Mak can say she's, y'know, plugged it in. >.> ))
Ms. Dusette; if you'll consult the news archives, you'll find Jove involvement in an advanced technology distribution scandal (advanced-tech mining lasers, specifically), and in a teleportation experiment accident. These are news from within the last decade, and so we certainly have existant record of their activities.
Mr. Makari; reviewing those entries, I don't see any statements by the Jove. Did I miss it? A new theory could be that CONCORD is aware that the Sanshas found nothing because CONCORD had already stripped the system, or the Jove had stripped it before... well, whatever they did?
Basically, I'm wondering when we last heard from a Jove representative, now. But reading news stuff is soooo boring!!
Wormhole Intern | Baby Dusette "Generally Clueless" The Wormhole Sisters of EVE |
Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy
530
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Posted - 2014.04.09 00:00:00 -
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The archives have lost some of the articles, but to my knowledge these are the most recent public contacts from an actual representative of their official government.
1st
2nd
3rd
4th
5th
Since then, they've been silent, at least publicly.
-Eran
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6158
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Posted - 2014.04.09 00:36:00 -
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Hm. And there have been no other diplomatic envoys since? So-- last confirmed word is YC106, with the Prosper Vault crisis in YC111?
Hm. Researching. Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs. |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
603
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Posted - 2014.04.09 10:41:00 -
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This might help, the last known sighting of a Jove ship was in YC 109, but not much attention has been given to this sighting as it was in nullsec:
Video footage of a Jove Battleship passing through a gatecamp
The Jove ship passes a nullsec gatecamp, without being visibly affected, no further info available. No known events are linked to this encounter, so perhaps a Jove ship that 'lost' it's way? After all, we know little of their methods of transportation, as the gates between the Jove Empire and us are closed. -áAurora Security boosted by military grade MTAC addition! + General MTAC Information-á -á Ayem Colony Expansion Progress |
Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
530
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Posted - 2014.04.09 14:30:00 -
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Sure is alot of speculation without any evidence going on around these parts. |
N'maro Makari
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
403
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Posted - 2014.04.09 14:49:00 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:Sure is alot of speculation without any evidence going on around these parts.
By all means share. Any discussion of a deductive nature can always be improved by the skeptical eye.
Take a seat, join us. Vherokior-á |
Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
531
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Posted - 2014.04.09 15:33:00 -
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It's more fun watching you lot bark up every tree near by searching for clues. |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1707
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Posted - 2014.04.09 17:35:00 -
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The Jove are still out there, watching and waiting for their insidious plots to come to fruition.
Eternal vigilance is required to guard against them. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
N'maro Makari
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
403
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Posted - 2014.04.09 18:51:00 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:It's more fun watching you lot bark up every tree near by searching for clues.
Ah, such a pity, I had hoped you would gift us with your self evident and infinitely vast knowledge in the form of an inspired and groundbreaking revelation.
Instead we get pompous sniping.
Truly, doing your part for the betterment of humanity. I applaud you.
Now, moving swiftly on. Vherokior-á |
N'maro Makari
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
403
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Posted - 2014.04.09 18:55:00 -
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There was something else I recalled, and I found some old material to help.
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Nation_war_of_resurgence#The_Jove_Angle
It seems the Nation managed to capture a Jovian friagate, along with a Cartesian Temporal Coordinator.
Something else, if anyone gets a chance, the old Arek'jaalan archives might be worth a look. Having a rummage right now. Vherokior-á |
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Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
648
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Posted - 2014.04.09 20:10:00 -
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My humble opinion is that they made sure they are close to impossible to find both jove empire and their renegade WH brethren s.
In later case they are found by "accident"
In first they found us gave us pod tech to perform new eden wide analysis and data gathering of most brightest in attempt to back track deadly Jove decease hoping for clues in our healthy synapses.
Found none and realizing that(and possibly danger to us as well) decided to lock up any further contact for millennia to come.
They did manage to do without is for what like 10 millennia... http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Cult of War
2352
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Posted - 2014.04.10 01:15:00 -
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N'maro Makari wrote:Been some time since I actually began a discussion here. All good things come to and end, as they say.
So, in a departure from all normal business, I thought we could take a minute to consider a subject that has been conspicuously absent from current affairs.
It begs questions.
What happened to the Jove?
Are they still alive?
If they are dead, what happened?
If alive, are they still watching us?
Why, in either case, do we know so little? Is it possible to get an answer?
Any and all questions and answers, fire away. Let's get that ball rolling. As the popular saying goes: "Foil hat time".
What happened to the Jove? Simple. They tried to interact with the rest of us, but we abused their technology and a certain Empire tried to take them over. So they shut themselves away because they realized we weren't the best people to interact with at the time.
Are they still alive? Debatable. Signals coming from the Jove Empire can be detected fairly frequently. Though the origin of these signals can be anything from Jove Ships to drones.
If they are dead, what happened? They either died off from the Jovian disease, or some sort of calamity that started as a response to their disease (warfare, a cure gone wrong, a mutation of the disease etc).
If alive, are they still watching us? Probably. But only to see if we developed something that could cure their disease or if we are doing anything that could directly or indirectly harm them. The Jove are extremely isolated and few things going on here concern them.
Why, in either case, do we know so little? Is it possible to get an answer? Like I said, they cut themselves off from the rest of the cluster and have done a good job at that. We know very little because they are good at avoiding us or remaining undetected. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Apollo Lyserius
Minerva Technologies
94
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Posted - 2014.04.10 02:51:00 -
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I'm pretty sure the Jove aren't dead. I strongly believe they aren't significantly weaker than they were ten years ago. If they are, they are watching us closely and we'll still hear from them. They have a lot of installations and corporations still operation in our territory. They're being operated mostly by core races, but the orders are coming from somewhere. Besides, no civilization dies off like this in such a short span of time, specially a civilization like the jovian.
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Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
531
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Posted - 2014.04.10 03:20:00 -
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Apollo Lyserius wrote:I'm pretty sure the Jove aren't dead.
Based on.......? |
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