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Grinder221
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.07 23:15:00 -
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https://community.eveonline.com/support/knowledge-base/article.aspx?articleId=336
I noticed a new line in the grief play rules
"Doing the same in the systems the Blood Stained Stars epic arc takes you through is also considered grief play and will not be tolerated."
Blood stained Stars or the Epic Arc Takes you to many systems - Tar - Harerget - Hatakani - Hek - Lustrevik - Tanoo - Lisudeh - Sosh - Manarq - Chainelant - Arnon
Does this mean that Can baiting in all the listed systems is now Grief Play?
Or does it just mean that CCP is now protecting All players no matter their age in a rookie system ?
CCP has said in the past that Only Rookies Or new players are safe in a rookie system.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=120647&p=9 ( post 159 )
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5118
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Posted - 2014.04.07 23:17:00 -
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It means this: "Doing the same in the systems the Blood Stained Stars epic arc takes you through is also considered grief play and will not be tolerated."
No more. No less.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Tesco Ergo Sum
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2014.04.07 23:18:00 -
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Context, previous sentence mentioned new players only.
You're looking for a problem that doesn't exist. |
Vigroth
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.07 23:21:00 -
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Tesco Ergo Sum wrote:Context, previous sentence mentioned new players only.
You're looking for a problem that doesn't exist.
It's actually implied to any character of any age now and not just new players. |
Marsha Mallow
210
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Posted - 2014.04.07 23:22:00 -
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Next time just go do it, THEN ask. Fgs. Now I can't do it either because :big mouth:
Not sure how the "I was only checking" argument will work, but post here and let us know how you get on.
I've always personally wanted to shriek at a GM "That's not a rule, you just made that up!" - |
PrettyMuch Always Right
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.07 23:23:00 -
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People can flipping your items needed to complete Epic Arc missions is actually a problem. You have no solution besides petitioning for the mission to be restarted.
Someone will call this working as intended, at which point we can all call him an idiot for saying a mechanic where you have to contact a GM every time to reset your entire mission is working as intended. |
Grinder221
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.07 23:27:00 -
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PrettyMuch Always Right wrote:People can flipping your items needed to complete Epic Arc missions is actually a problem. You have no solution besides petitioning for the mission to be restarted.
Someone will call this working as intended, at which point we can all call him an idiot for saying a mechanic where you have to contact a GM every time to reset your entire mission is working as intended.
You don't you can dock cancel the mission and start it over at anytime |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4481
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Posted - 2014.04.07 23:28:00 -
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Of note, putting up lowball buy orders in Arnon is apparently worth a GM warning, when they first made this change.
"taking advantage of new players". "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Tesco Ergo Sum
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2014.04.07 23:29:00 -
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I'll do it in my 76 billion Machariel:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=335438
then petition each time it gets blown up.
Wonder how many times a day I can repeat?
Content creation at it's finest and everyone is happy! |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
543
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Posted - 2014.04.07 23:29:00 -
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Not sure of the issue.
Only a new player would accidentally flip a yellow can and be vulnerable.
Anyone else would either: 1, ignore the can entirely, 2. flip deliberately in a disposable PvP ship and wait for the fight (happens in Hek all the time) or 3. cargo scan and if the goodies are worth it grab an intie, flip the can and scarper out of system and park in a safe spot till the timer expires. |
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
2090
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Posted - 2014.04.07 23:32:00 -
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I think it's cool. I started in 2003 and didn't have to put up with all the high SP losers people have to put up with today likely would have not stayed and contributed the thousands of dollars I have since then . They like to call it content creation buts it's actually just anti-social deliberate harassment of players that contributes nothing to the EvE community.
I'm hardly a carebear either, spent most of my time killing people in high sec wars but they always had a way out before the wars started. Want to make billions a week solo running combat sites in null sec? -á Read my Exploratation Guide here -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=309467 |
Vigroth
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.07 23:34:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Not sure of the issue.
Only a new player would accidentally flip a yellow can and be vulnerable.
Anyone else would either: 1, ignore the can entirely, 2. flip deliberately in a disposable PvP ship and wait for the fight (happens in Hek all the time) or 3. cargo scan and if the goodies are worth it grab an intie, flip the can and scarper out of system and park in a safe spot till the timer expires.
If its the mission loot required to complete a mission then they are left with the choice to either engage or cancel the mission. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4481
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Posted - 2014.04.07 23:35:00 -
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Vigroth wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Not sure of the issue.
Only a new player would accidentally flip a yellow can and be vulnerable.
Anyone else would either: 1, ignore the can entirely, 2. flip deliberately in a disposable PvP ship and wait for the fight (happens in Hek all the time) or 3. cargo scan and if the goodies are worth it grab an intie, flip the can and scarper out of system and park in a safe spot till the timer expires. If its the mission loot required to complete a mission then they are left with the choice to either engage or cancel the mission.
And? Seriously, what's the problem? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5118
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Posted - 2014.04.07 23:39:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Vigroth wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Not sure of the issue.
Only a new player would accidentally flip a yellow can and be vulnerable.
Anyone else would either: 1, ignore the can entirely, 2. flip deliberately in a disposable PvP ship and wait for the fight (happens in Hek all the time) or 3. cargo scan and if the goodies are worth it grab an intie, flip the can and scarper out of system and park in a safe spot till the timer expires. If its the mission loot required to complete a mission then they are left with the choice to either engage or cancel the mission. And? Seriously, what's the problem?
The problem, as I see it, is a lot of people seem angry that CCP is trying to raise the retention rates of new players.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Vigroth
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.07 23:39:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Vigroth wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Not sure of the issue.
Only a new player would accidentally flip a yellow can and be vulnerable.
Anyone else would either: 1, ignore the can entirely, 2. flip deliberately in a disposable PvP ship and wait for the fight (happens in Hek all the time) or 3. cargo scan and if the goodies are worth it grab an intie, flip the can and scarper out of system and park in a safe spot till the timer expires. If its the mission loot required to complete a mission then they are left with the choice to either engage or cancel the mission. And? Seriously, what's the problem?
Its a bannable offense to steal mission items from any character of any age in non rookie systems now, duh. Sure its just the systems for the epic ark now but what about later? Soon ninja looting anywhere in highsec will be bannable at this rate. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
2093
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Posted - 2014.04.07 23:40:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Vigroth wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Not sure of the issue.
Only a new player would accidentally flip a yellow can and be vulnerable.
Anyone else would either: 1, ignore the can entirely, 2. flip deliberately in a disposable PvP ship and wait for the fight (happens in Hek all the time) or 3. cargo scan and if the goodies are worth it grab an intie, flip the can and scarper out of system and park in a safe spot till the timer expires. If its the mission loot required to complete a mission then they are left with the choice to either engage or cancel the mission. And? Seriously, what's the problem? Find a mirror. Look in it. There's the problem.
No one wants to "interact" with you. They want to finish their mission. Want to make billions a week solo running combat sites in null sec? -á Read my Exploratation Guide here -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=309467 |
Good Posting
Posting with my Mind
144
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Posted - 2014.04.07 23:45:00 -
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Seeeeeseeepeeee, make them play with meeeee!!! whaaaaaaa, whaaaaaaa! QQ |
Divine Entervention
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.07 23:47:00 -
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It becomes apparent who the people are who's goal it is to make others "mad".
They have 99 problems and mental illness is one.
It's like the fat chick. No one wants to hang out with her, but she just keeps coming around. "Just once! Please! Lets go out! Take me to dinner!" she says
No thanks, I do not like women who weigh more than I do times 5.
"Please I beg of you!" Then she thrusts herself on to you, collapsing you to the floor while she lays down on top of you, and smothers you with her forced interaction that you did not wish to experience.
The people complaining about the rule change are the same people as the fat chick. Not realizing they do not have the traits and characteristics others wish to interact with, forcing themselves on others and crying foul when their actions are regarded as ****. Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |
Grinder221
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.07 23:47:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Vigroth wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Not sure of the issue.
Only a new player would accidentally flip a yellow can and be vulnerable.
Anyone else would either: 1, ignore the can entirely, 2. flip deliberately in a disposable PvP ship and wait for the fight (happens in Hek all the time) or 3. cargo scan and if the goodies are worth it grab an intie, flip the can and scarper out of system and park in a safe spot till the timer expires. If its the mission loot required to complete a mission then they are left with the choice to either engage or cancel the mission. And? Seriously, what's the problem? Find a mirror. Look in it. There's the problem. No one wants to "interact" with you. They want to finish their mission.
Unwanted Interactions is A Huge part of EVE Online
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
544
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Posted - 2014.04.07 23:48:00 -
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Vigroth wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Not sure of the issue.
Only a new player would accidentally flip a yellow can and be vulnerable.
Anyone else would either: 1, ignore the can entirely, 2. flip deliberately in a disposable PvP ship and wait for the fight (happens in Hek all the time) or 3. cargo scan and if the goodies are worth it grab an intie, flip the can and scarper out of system and park in a safe spot till the timer expires. If its the mission loot required to complete a mission then they are left with the choice to either engage or cancel the mission.
The rule referred to by the OP is banning dropping yellow containers to bait people into going suspect.
Stealing mission loot and ransoming it back (regardless of whether the real intention is griefing noobs for tears or not) is perfectly fine according to the rules.
All you need to be "legal" is some pretense of it being to make money. The New Order "permits" are like this, because they do actually make money from permits, they have a loop hole that lets them grief new miners without getting banned providing they do not harass the same guy continually and make some attempt to "advertise" their rules. |
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2577
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Posted - 2014.04.07 23:50:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Vigroth wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Not sure of the issue.
Only a new player would accidentally flip a yellow can and be vulnerable.
Anyone else would either: 1, ignore the can entirely, 2. flip deliberately in a disposable PvP ship and wait for the fight (happens in Hek all the time) or 3. cargo scan and if the goodies are worth it grab an intie, flip the can and scarper out of system and park in a safe spot till the timer expires. If its the mission loot required to complete a mission then they are left with the choice to either engage or cancel the mission. And? Seriously, what's the problem? The problem, as I see it, is a lot of people seem angry that CCP is trying to raise the retention rates of new players. Mr Epeen
Heaven forbid CCP not kowtow to the "high sec content creators", even when it conflicts with this silly idea of a successful business model. Didn't you know that griefers are the most important players in the game (next to the null sec cartel leaders), and create more interesting game play than anyone else, and by tightening the reins on them, Eve will be destroyed? Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Vigroth
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.07 23:53:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Vigroth wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Not sure of the issue.
Only a new player would accidentally flip a yellow can and be vulnerable.
Anyone else would either: 1, ignore the can entirely, 2. flip deliberately in a disposable PvP ship and wait for the fight (happens in Hek all the time) or 3. cargo scan and if the goodies are worth it grab an intie, flip the can and scarper out of system and park in a safe spot till the timer expires. If its the mission loot required to complete a mission then they are left with the choice to either engage or cancel the mission. The rule referred to by the OP is banning dropping yellow containers to bait people into going suspect. Stealing mission loot and ransoming it back (regardless of whether the real intention is griefing noobs for tears or not) is perfectly fine according to the rules. All you need to be "legal" is some pretense of it being to make money. The New Order "permits" are like this, because they do actually make money from permits, they have a loop hole that lets them grief new miners without getting banned providing they do not harass the same guy continually and make some attempt to "advertise" their rules.
The new rule is referring to the systems in the SOE epic arc for any age player, not just rookies. Many of the systems involved in the arc are not rookie systems, but you can get in trouble for stealing mission items even if they are not a rookie anymore. CCP has stated in another thread that non rookie players are free game.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
544
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Posted - 2014.04.07 23:58:00 -
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Vigroth wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Vigroth wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Not sure of the issue.
Only a new player would accidentally flip a yellow can and be vulnerable.
Anyone else would either: 1, ignore the can entirely, 2. flip deliberately in a disposable PvP ship and wait for the fight (happens in Hek all the time) or 3. cargo scan and if the goodies are worth it grab an intie, flip the can and scarper out of system and park in a safe spot till the timer expires. If its the mission loot required to complete a mission then they are left with the choice to either engage or cancel the mission. The rule referred to by the OP is banning dropping yellow containers to bait people into going suspect. Stealing mission loot and ransoming it back (regardless of whether the real intention is griefing noobs for tears or not) is perfectly fine according to the rules. All you need to be "legal" is some pretense of it being to make money. The New Order "permits" are like this, because they do actually make money from permits, they have a loop hole that lets them grief new miners without getting banned providing they do not harass the same guy continually and make some attempt to "advertise" their rules. The new rule is referring to the systems in the SOE epic arc for any age player, not just rookies. Many of the systems involved in the arc are not rookie systems, but you can get in trouble for stealing mission items even if they are not a rookie anymore. CCP has stated in another thread that non rookie players are free game.
As far as I know stealing mission items for ransom is not regarded as griefing and never has been in any system, not even a noob school system. Do you have evidence of anyone getting in trouble for flipping mission cans ?
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Vigroth
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.08 00:00:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Vigroth wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Vigroth wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Not sure of the issue.
Only a new player would accidentally flip a yellow can and be vulnerable.
Anyone else would either: 1, ignore the can entirely, 2. flip deliberately in a disposable PvP ship and wait for the fight (happens in Hek all the time) or 3. cargo scan and if the goodies are worth it grab an intie, flip the can and scarper out of system and park in a safe spot till the timer expires. If its the mission loot required to complete a mission then they are left with the choice to either engage or cancel the mission. The rule referred to by the OP is banning dropping yellow containers to bait people into going suspect. Stealing mission loot and ransoming it back (regardless of whether the real intention is griefing noobs for tears or not) is perfectly fine according to the rules. All you need to be "legal" is some pretense of it being to make money. The New Order "permits" are like this, because they do actually make money from permits, they have a loop hole that lets them grief new miners without getting banned providing they do not harass the same guy continually and make some attempt to "advertise" their rules. The new rule is referring to the systems in the SOE epic arc for any age player, not just rookies. Many of the systems involved in the arc are not rookie systems, but you can get in trouble for stealing mission items even if they are not a rookie anymore. CCP has stated in another thread that non rookie players are free game. As far as I know stealing mission items for ransom is not regarded as griefing and never has been in any system, not even a noob school system. Do you have evidence of anyone getting in trouble for flipping mission cans ?
Yes, I know of two people who regularly hunt players who have been playing for years and getting warnings from this.
Edit: No rookies are involved in these actions while the warnings are still sent. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
544
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Posted - 2014.04.08 00:05:00 -
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Vigroth wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Vigroth wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:[quote=Vigroth]
The rule referred to by the OP is banning dropping yellow containers to bait people into going suspect.
Stealing mission loot and ransoming it back (regardless of whether the real intention is griefing noobs for tears or not) is perfectly fine according to the rules.
All you need to be "legal" is some pretense of it being to make money. The New Order "permits" are like this, because they do actually make money from permits, they have a loop hole that lets them grief new miners without getting banned providing they do not harass the same guy continually and make some attempt to "advertise" their rules. The new rule is referring to the systems in the SOE epic arc for any age player, not just rookies. Many of the systems involved in the arc are not rookie systems, but you can get in trouble for stealing mission items even if they are not a rookie anymore. CCP has stated in another thread that non rookie players are free game. As far as I know stealing mission items for ransom is not regarded as griefing and never has been in any system, not even a noob school system. Do you have evidence of anyone getting in trouble for flipping mission cans ? Yes, I know of two people who regularly hunt players who have been playing for years and getting warnings from this.
Fair enuf :D Seems the attitude to ransoming mission loot has changed from a few years ago.
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
2097
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Posted - 2014.04.08 00:05:00 -
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Grinder221 wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Vigroth wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Not sure of the issue.
Only a new player would accidentally flip a yellow can and be vulnerable.
Anyone else would either: 1, ignore the can entirely, 2. flip deliberately in a disposable PvP ship and wait for the fight (happens in Hek all the time) or 3. cargo scan and if the goodies are worth it grab an intie, flip the can and scarper out of system and park in a safe spot till the timer expires. If its the mission loot required to complete a mission then they are left with the choice to either engage or cancel the mission. And? Seriously, what's the problem? Find a mirror. Look in it. There's the problem. No one wants to "interact" with you. They want to finish their mission. Unwanted Interactions is A Huge part of EVE Online Yeah and there are huge areas of EvE put aside for it. Mechanics in place to create it in high sec.
What the low brows want though is the protection of concord while selecting targets that are incapable of being a real threat. We don't need those low brows. They can go elsewhere. Want to make billions a week solo running combat sites in null sec? -á Read my Exploratation Guide here -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=309467 |
Tesco Ergo Sum
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
64
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Posted - 2014.04.08 00:08:00 -
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WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE SANDBOX...
HighSec "content creators", looking for every loophole since 2003.
Go on, try it, let us know how you go |
Marsha Mallow
210
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Posted - 2014.04.08 00:08:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Heaven forbid CCP not kowtow to the "high sec content creators", even when it conflicts with this silly idea of a successful business model. Didn't you know that griefers are the most important players in the game (next to the null sec cartel leaders), and create more interesting game play than anyone else, and by tightening the reins on them, Eve will be destroyed? Conflict is the business model.
The insincere kowtows are directed at your sort so the rest of us "despicable" people can gobble up your money, time and outrage. Sowwy. - |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4483
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Posted - 2014.04.08 00:09:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Vigroth wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Not sure of the issue.
Only a new player would accidentally flip a yellow can and be vulnerable.
Anyone else would either: 1, ignore the can entirely, 2. flip deliberately in a disposable PvP ship and wait for the fight (happens in Hek all the time) or 3. cargo scan and if the goodies are worth it grab an intie, flip the can and scarper out of system and park in a safe spot till the timer expires. If its the mission loot required to complete a mission then they are left with the choice to either engage or cancel the mission. And? Seriously, what's the problem? Find a mirror. Look in it. There's the problem. No one wants to "interact" with you. They want to finish their mission.
Then they're playing the wrong game.
Might I suggest something in the single player area? Or perhaps Super Mario Brothers? The Wii has been very amenable to that type of "player". "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
2098
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Posted - 2014.04.08 00:12:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Vigroth wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Not sure of the issue.
Only a new player would accidentally flip a yellow can and be vulnerable.
Anyone else would either: 1, ignore the can entirely, 2. flip deliberately in a disposable PvP ship and wait for the fight (happens in Hek all the time) or 3. cargo scan and if the goodies are worth it grab an intie, flip the can and scarper out of system and park in a safe spot till the timer expires. If its the mission loot required to complete a mission then they are left with the choice to either engage or cancel the mission. And? Seriously, what's the problem? Find a mirror. Look in it. There's the problem. No one wants to "interact" with you. They want to finish their mission. Then they're playing the wrong game. Might I suggest something in the single player area? If your idea of EvE Online is baiting newbs into easy ganks I suggest it's not them playing the wrong game. It's you. Try actual PvP. Want to make billions a week solo running combat sites in null sec? -á Read my Exploratation Guide here -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=309467 |
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