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Vigroth
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.08 00:16:00 -
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""If your idea of EvE Online is baiting newbs into easy ganks I suggest it's not them playing the wrong game. It's you. Try actual PvP.""
No one said anything about baiting noobs, its the non rookie players who are also getting the protection even in non rookie systems. |
Grinder221
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.08 00:20:00 -
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Plz keep on topic
What do the Changes to the rules mean
Who is Protected by them ?
Whats no longer allowed that once was allowed? |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4483
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Posted - 2014.04.08 00:21:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: If your idea of EvE Online is baiting newbs into easy ganks I suggest it's not them playing the wrong game. It's you. Try actual PvP.
If your idea of EVE Online is putting artificial barriers around people, and saying that PvP shouldn't happen in certain places, then might I suggest Star Citizen, with the delightful PvP slider? That way, no one can touch you unless you agree to it first. And then hugs. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Vigroth
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.08 00:22:00 -
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Grinder221 wrote:Plz keep on topic
What do the Changes to the rules mean
Who is Protected by them ?
Whats no longer allowed that once was allowed?
Its no longer allowed to go after NON rookie players that are doing the epic arc in _any_ system that involves the epic arc as listed in the OP. |
Lady Areola Fappington
new order logistics CODE.
1649
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Posted - 2014.04.08 00:29:00 -
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If you actually read into the big red box on the Rookie Systems wiki page, you find out newbies everywhere in EVE are protected.
Quote:Warning: Attempting to abuse a new playerGÇÖs lack of knowledge of the game and its mechanic for your personal gain or simply for their harm is prohibited in these solar systems. This includes, but is not limited to; tricking new players into situations where you or others may open fire on them freely or scamming ISK or assets from them. Disregarding warnings to cease such behavior from authorized CCP personnel is considered to be in violation of section 6 of the EVE Online Terms of Service.
Pilots found to pursue activities against new players in other areas may be subject to further restrictions as deemed necessary by CCP Games Customer Support Team.
The second, bold line is the key. "Other areas" is interpreted by me as "areas that are not the newbie designated zones", I.E. the rest of EVE.
It seems kind of silly at this point to have designated newbie zones, when the "other areas" clause effectively makes all of EVE a newbie zone. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
885
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Posted - 2014.04.08 00:30:00 -
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Vigroth wrote:Grinder221 wrote:Plz keep on topic
What do the Changes to the rules mean
Who is Protected by them ?
Whats no longer allowed that once was allowed? Its no longer allowed to go after NON rookie players that are doing the epic arc in _any_ system that involves the epic arc as listed in the OP.
Kleenex to aisle 1. Major tear spillage. |
Vigroth
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.08 00:30:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:If you actually read into the big red box on the Rookie Systems wiki page, you find out newbies everywhere in EVE are protected. Quote:Warning: Attempting to abuse a new playerGÇÖs lack of knowledge of the game and its mechanic for your personal gain or simply for their harm is prohibited in these solar systems. This includes, but is not limited to; tricking new players into situations where you or others may open fire on them freely or scamming ISK or assets from them. Disregarding warnings to cease such behavior from authorized CCP personnel is considered to be in violation of section 6 of the EVE Online Terms of Service.
Pilots found to pursue activities against new players in other areas may be subject to further restrictions as deemed necessary by CCP Games Customer Support Team. The second, bold line is the key. "Other areas" is interpreted by me as "areas that are not the newbie designated zones", I.E. the rest of EVE. It seems kind of silly at this point to have designated newbie zones, when the "other areas" clause effectively makes all of EVE a newbie zone.
Yes but this is now looking to be any player of any age despite CCP saying in that other thread that non rookies are fair game which is what tis thread is about. |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
885
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Posted - 2014.04.08 00:34:00 -
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Vigroth wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:If you actually read into the big red box on the Rookie Systems wiki page, you find out newbies everywhere in EVE are protected. Quote:Warning: Attempting to abuse a new playerGÇÖs lack of knowledge of the game and its mechanic for your personal gain or simply for their harm is prohibited in these solar systems. This includes, but is not limited to; tricking new players into situations where you or others may open fire on them freely or scamming ISK or assets from them. Disregarding warnings to cease such behavior from authorized CCP personnel is considered to be in violation of section 6 of the EVE Online Terms of Service.
Pilots found to pursue activities against new players in other areas may be subject to further restrictions as deemed necessary by CCP Games Customer Support Team. The second, bold line is the key. "Other areas" is interpreted by me as "areas that are not the newbie designated zones", I.E. the rest of EVE. It seems kind of silly at this point to have designated newbie zones, when the "other areas" clause effectively makes all of EVE a newbie zone. Yes but this is now looking to be any player of any age despite CCP saying in that other thread that non rookies are fair game which is what tis thread is about.
Can you be sure that someone isn't a rookie. For me yes, but for a 6 month old player with no corp history, no. The character might have been unsubbed almost all of that time and only come back to sub and play the game some more.
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Pix Severus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
671
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Posted - 2014.04.08 00:39:00 -
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I have a feeling the Kill It Forward program is going to go into overdrive after this thread is done. |
Grinder221
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.08 01:24:00 -
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Can you be sure that someone isn't a rookie. For me yes, but for a 6 month old player with no corp history, no. The character might have been unsubbed almost all of that time and only come back to sub and play the game some more.
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CCp has not drawn a clear line as to what a rookie is or isnt
( well at least not publicly )
GM's have said in the past thay know exactly who is and isnt a rookie
However players are removed form rookie help channel after 30days |
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Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
458
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Posted - 2014.04.08 01:39:00 -
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Grinder221 wrote:What do the Changes mean
Who is Protected by them ?
Whats no longer allowed that once was allowed? What "changes"?
There's nothing new here. |
Divine Entervention
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
265
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Posted - 2014.04.08 02:08:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: If your idea of EvE Online is baiting newbs into easy ganks I suggest it's not them playing the wrong game. It's you. Try actual PvP.
If your idea of EVE Online is putting artificial barriers around people, and saying that PvP shouldn't happen in certain places, then might I suggest Star Citizen, with the delightful PvP slider? That way, no one can touch you unless you agree to it first. And then hugs.
Artificial barriers
skill points Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4491
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Posted - 2014.04.08 02:10:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: If your idea of EvE Online is baiting newbs into easy ganks I suggest it's not them playing the wrong game. It's you. Try actual PvP.
If your idea of EVE Online is putting artificial barriers around people, and saying that PvP shouldn't happen in certain places, then might I suggest Star Citizen, with the delightful PvP slider? That way, no one can touch you unless you agree to it first. And then hugs. Artificial barriers skill points
Sandbox or not, it is still an RPG. It's not Minecraft. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
24695
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Posted - 2014.04.08 03:01:00 -
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Oh man, not this topic again!
DMC Faction Standing Repair Plan | California Eve Players | (Proposal) Bring Back 'The Endless Battle' Missions |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1016
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Posted - 2014.04.08 03:07:00 -
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Why are people looking around to find if X or Y is a bannable offense or not when we all should know CCP can ban anyone for any reason they see fit? It's a perfect risk/reward case people. The more risk you take by doing edge case activity, the more reward in the form of whatever you are fishing from you can get but the risk is also higher. |
Suzariel Kel-Paten
Nevermind Enterprises BadWrongFun
1
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Posted - 2014.04.08 03:12:00 -
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If you don't quit the mission but wait through a downtime, doesn't it reset and let you try again? You might not get the time bonus, but you don't have to quit the mission, either. IIRC, it worked for one of my newer corpmates a while back.
I ran the SoE almost 3 years ago, right after I started, and the guy trying to tempt me into picking up the can kept misspelling the name of the objective. Oops! :-) BadWrongFun Blog |
Vigroth
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.08 03:30:00 -
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Suzariel Kel-Paten wrote:If you don't quit the mission but wait through a downtime, doesn't it reset and let you try again? You might not get the time bonus, but you don't have to quit the mission, either. IIRC, it worked for one of my newer corpmates a while back.
I ran the SoE almost 3 years ago, right after I started, and the guy trying to tempt me into picking up the can kept misspelling the name of the objective. Oops! :-)
No when the objective says completed the mission will not respawn wether or not you even loot the item you need. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5135
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Posted - 2014.04.08 03:37:00 -
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Suzariel Kel-Paten wrote:I ran the SoE almost 3 years ago, right after I started, and the guy trying to tempt me into picking up the can kept misspelling the name of the objective. Oops! :-)
Proof that the typical griefer does what he does because he was laughed out of the spelling club in grade two and it scarred him for life. Although he never bothered to educate himself (having dropped out of school in the fifth grade), he became adept at making people cry in video games. And it's 'their' fault for dying as noobs. Not his for being a total **** wad.
Such is modern life.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Suzariel Kel-Paten
Nevermind Enterprises BadWrongFun
1
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Posted - 2014.04.08 03:46:00 -
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Vigroth wrote:Suzariel Kel-Paten wrote:If you don't quit the mission but wait through a downtime, doesn't it reset and let you try again? You might not get the time bonus, but you don't have to quit the mission, either. IIRC, it worked for one of my newer corpmates a while back.
I ran the SoE almost 3 years ago, right after I started, and the guy trying to tempt me into picking up the can kept misspelling the name of the objective. Oops! :-) No when the objective says completed the mission will not respawn wether or not you even loot the item you need. If the mission doesn't flag complete until you turn in the objective to the agent, wouldn't it respawn after downtime?
I guess I should go rerun the SoE -- for science or something. I need to refresh my memory about Alitura, anyway. I have an idea for a fanfic where an angry capsuleer gets all up in her face for sending them on crappy missions. BadWrongFun Blog |
Pix Severus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
673
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Posted - 2014.04.08 04:07:00 -
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Suzariel Kel-Paten wrote:If the mission doesn't flag complete until you turn in the objective to the agent, wouldn't it respawn after downtime?
Missions will often be flagged "complete" when the last rat is killed, before you've even picked up the required item. |
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Vigroth
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.04.08 04:08:00 -
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Suzariel Kel-Paten wrote:Vigroth wrote:Suzariel Kel-Paten wrote:If you don't quit the mission but wait through a downtime, doesn't it reset and let you try again? You might not get the time bonus, but you don't have to quit the mission, either. IIRC, it worked for one of my newer corpmates a while back.
I ran the SoE almost 3 years ago, right after I started, and the guy trying to tempt me into picking up the can kept misspelling the name of the objective. Oops! :-) No when the objective says completed the mission will not respawn wether or not you even loot the item you need. If the mission doesn't flag complete until you turn in the objective to the agent, wouldn't it respawn after downtime? I guess I should go rerun the SoE -- for science or something. I need to refresh my memory about Alitura, anyway. I have an idea for a fanfic where an angry capsuleer gets all up in her face for sending them on crappy missions.
When your objective says completed in your journal ( it happens when you destroy the necessary ship) it will not respawn after DT whether or not you obtain the necessary loot. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
1753
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Posted - 2014.04.08 04:10:00 -
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I will delightfully and without any remorse whatsoever pump projectiles into any target I think I can kill wherever I am. I will not check their incep date first to see if they are a newbies or not. I'll explode their pod too if I can catch it. And unless I get my "gf" returned or some other show of sportsmanship I won't convo newbies or replace their lost isk either. This is a fulltime PvP game. EvE has the worst PvE of any current MMO. The only thing that makes it fun is knowing that at any time someone can come **** in your part of the sandbox and learning how to deal with that.
I anxiously await my griefing ban for blowing spaceships the hell up in a spaceship blowing up video game. Then I'll go play DayZ or something. "You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion
***** Psychotic Monk and DJ FunkyBacon for CSM ***** |
Vigroth
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.04.08 04:18:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:I will delightfully and without any remorse whatsoever pump projectiles into any target I think I can kill wherever I am. I will not check their incep date first to see if they are a newbies or not. I'll explode their pod too if I can catch it. And unless I get my "gf" returned or some other show of sportsmanship I won't convo newbies or replace their lost isk either. This is a fulltime PvP game. EvE has the worst PvE of any current MMO. The only thing that makes it fun is knowing that at any time someone can come **** in your part of the sandbox and learning how to deal with that.
I anxiously await my griefing ban for blowing spaceships the hell up in a spaceship blowing up video game. Then I'll go play DayZ or something.
You are my hero. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
550
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Posted - 2014.04.08 04:28:00 -
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Suzariel Kel-Paten wrote: I guess I should go rerun the SoE -- for science or something. I need to refresh my memory about Alitura, anyway. I have an idea for a fanfic where an angry capsuleer gets all up in her face for sending them on crappy missions.
I rerun it every 3 months for the faction standing choice at the end.
To get away from some of the boredom I have taken to running it in a different ship every time, Coercer one time, Thrasher another time, Wolf the next ... I am thinking of seeing how a Claw goes though I suspect an Intie, even with T2 AC will struggle with Dagan :D |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4497
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Posted - 2014.04.08 04:29:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote: I anxiously await my griefing ban for blowing spaceships the hell up in a spaceship blowing up video game. Then I'll go play DayZ or something.
Ah, DayZ. If people think that EVE is bad, they haven't played DayZ. I once actively stalked someone for three hours, held them up at gunpoint, then made them drink bleach. After their ensuing death, I then took their can of beans and their flashlight. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Suzariel Kel-Paten
Nevermind Enterprises BadWrongFun
1
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Posted - 2014.04.08 04:34:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Suzariel Kel-Paten wrote: I guess I should go rerun the SoE -- for science or something. I need to refresh my memory about Alitura, anyway. I have an idea for a fanfic where an angry capsuleer gets all up in her face for sending them on crappy missions.
I rerun it every 3 months for the faction standing choice at the end. To get away from some of the boredom I have taken to running it in a different ship every time, Coercer one time, Thrasher another time, Wolf the next ... I am thinking of seeing how a Claw goes though I suspect an Intie, even with T2 AC will struggle with Dagan :D Oh, when I was brand new, Dagan totally kicked my ass, and I figured I was the only person who had trouble with him. Once I sorta tentatively asked about it, one person who totally became my hero made something like 30 jumps to help.
I like your scientific approach. :-) BadWrongFun Blog |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
550
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Posted - 2014.04.08 04:37:00 -
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Suzariel Kel-Paten wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Suzariel Kel-Paten wrote: I guess I should go rerun the SoE -- for science or something. I need to refresh my memory about Alitura, anyway. I have an idea for a fanfic where an angry capsuleer gets all up in her face for sending them on crappy missions.
I rerun it every 3 months for the faction standing choice at the end. To get away from some of the boredom I have taken to running it in a different ship every time, Coercer one time, Thrasher another time, Wolf the next ... I am thinking of seeing how a Claw goes though I suspect an Intie, even with T2 AC will struggle with Dagan :D Oh, when I was brand new, Dagan totally kicked my ass, and I figured I was the only person who had trouble with him. Once I sorta tentatively asked about it, one person who totally became my hero made something like 30 jumps to help. I like your scientific approach. :-)
He seems to need about 150 sustained DPS. My T2 Artie Thrasher was borderline with T1 ammo but it was fine with faction ammo. |
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
1512
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Posted - 2014.04.08 04:45:00 -
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The rules are far from new, and the change that made them apply (to some extent) outside of rookie systems is also an older change.
GM Spiral was kind enough to clarify some of the rules in this post. Phoibe Enterprises official recruitment thread The Eve Reader - -áAudio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
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Regan Rotineque
Arch Angels Assault Force The Kadeshi
285
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Posted - 2014.04.08 04:57:00 -
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I will never understand this
Are you that pathetic and bad at EvE that you have to pick on new players? Is griefing newbies the only thing that gets you goin?
The fact that you went to look up the boundaries is a good thing. The fact you don't understand them is well sad. CCP has created this sandbox....and all they ask is you respect a couple of rules....maybe let new players grow...enjoy the game...help grow it ...maybe subscribe.
Want to kill something? Need mayhem and madness...head to low sec...or worse Jita. Tons of assorted targets. But for the love of cornflakes stay out of newbie systems...leave the sisters arc alone. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11052
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Posted - 2014.04.08 05:07:00 -
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Regan Rotineque wrote:I will never understand this
Are you that pathetic and bad at EvE that you have to pick on new players? Is griefing newbies the only thing that gets you goin?
The fact that you went to look up the boundaries is a good thing. The fact you don't understand them is well sad. CCP has created this sandbox....and all they ask is you respect a couple of rules....maybe let new players grow...enjoy the game...help grow it ...maybe subscribe.
Want to kill something? Need mayhem and madness...head to low sec...or worse Jita. Tons of assorted targets. But for the love of cornflakes stay out of newbie systems...leave the sisters arc alone.
He is talking about killing vets in these things. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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