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Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
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Posted - 2014.04.10 12:01:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:GM Lelouch wrote:can baiting hi gm lelouch "can baiting" does not exist anymore yes it dose , you need to be something of a colossal anus to fall for it though. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áIf In Doubt....Do....Excessively. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.04.10 12:31:00 -
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I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them.
The Rules: 26. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued.
34. Posting of kill reports outside of the Crime & Punishment forum channel is prohibited.
More often than not, posts of this nature are made with inflammatory intent and are designed to promote trolling and flaming. Therefore, the posting of links to kill reports from any third party site, or the direct copy-pasting of kill reports from in game is prohibited on all forum channels of the EVE Online Forums, with the exception of the Crime & Punishment Channel. Specific rules regarding the omission of pilot names apply in this instance. Further details can be found in the rules stickies in the Crime & Punishment forum channel. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
442
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Posted - 2014.04.10 13:05:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:GM Lelouch wrote:can baiting hi gm lelouch "can baiting" does not exist anymore
GM Lelouch wrote:it has always been somewhat of a mystery to us why the starter systems, and rookies going through the initial steps of the tutorial in particular, have been such a popular target for can baiting.
Emphasis added. Can baiting has existed a good while longer than it has not existed. It wouldn't be unreasonable to stretch can baiting to other shady activities taking place in rookie systems.
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
860
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Posted - 2014.04.10 13:50:00 -
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Is it rookies in rookie systems, or the very act of baiting in rookie systems themselves?
If that is the case, CCP is then not only creating a safe zone for rookie players, but all mission runners within rookie systems and surely that is not the intent? If I bait (or gank) a one month old toon in a rookie system and splode him, surely he is responsible at that point for his own detonation?
Specifically, please confirm: 1) What defines 'rookie', 1 week old, 2 weeks old... 2) Can non-rookies be sploded in rookie systems?
I thank you for the enlightened conversation and churn that these rule proclamations by web-site generate in terms of players having to read tea-leaves, as opposed to just coding for it in-game and letting people have at it.
F Would you like to know more? |
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
201
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Posted - 2014.04.10 13:57:00 -
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If baiting and high sec ganking in rookie systems concerns you in relevance to your account's continued existence then you're already skating on very thin ice.
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Ryder 'ook
Die..Brut
61
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Posted - 2014.04.10 14:05:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Is it rookies in rookie systems, or the very act of baiting in rookie systems themselves?
If that is the case, CCP is then not only creating a safe zone for rookie players, but all mission runners within rookie systems and surely that is not the intent? If I bait (or gank) a one month old toon in a rookie system and splode him, surely he is responsible at that point for his own detonation?
Specifically, please confirm: 1) What defines 'rookie', 1 week old, 2 weeks old... 2) Can non-rookies be sploded in rookie systems?
I thank you for the enlightened conversation and churn that these rule proclamations by web-site generate in terms of players having to read tea-leaves, as opposed to just coding for it in-game and letting people have at it.
F
C'mon, it's really not that hard.
1) Rookies - Definition a. Characters younger than 1 month. After that period you are evicted from the "Rookie Help" chat channel. See the hint? - Definition b. Characters who are running the Tutorial or the SoE epic arc. And as you can rerun the epic arc only every three months, every character younger than three months is running it for the first time and thus still in the extended tutorial.
2) Yes, in principle. But why do you want to go there if you are no longer a rookie? Are there any lvl 3 or 4 mission afents that will send you there? No? Simple solution: Travel through the systems if you must but don't linger there or shoot anyone in general. Exceptions may apply if war targets use those systems as hiding places or something like that.
You can figure out what is acceptable and what not by simple common sense, see?
Every atom in our bodies was forged in the furnace of ancient stars - it's time we return home. |
Precentor Saggitus
Planet Express Transport
23
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Posted - 2014.04.10 14:56:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Lol what? Pretty sure no single player in the entire game has gotten more people killed than autopilot. You seriously have no idea what you're talking about, do you?
Yes it kills lots of ships, but most noobs will learn after making that mistake once, so its not the prime mortality factor for noobs. Other players autopiloting know the risk and do it: a) accepting said risk, b) being lazy or c) both. Yes AP is responsible for the majority of gank targets, but not responsible for the amount of noob targets. Get it?
Noob targets still get actively hunted within their missions, through a variety of means. They get ganked while not autopiloting.
GM Lelouch wrote:There are thousands of solar systems in EVE and it has always been somewhat of a mystery to us why the starter systems, and rookies going through the initial steps of the tutorial in particular, have been such a popular target for can baiting.
I can appreciate you not wanting to offend the delicate feelings of such people who engage in this activity, I'll do it for you. They like easy, inexperienced, vulnerable targets. They want to pad their KM list so they look like great players, and it boosts their own self image. Some actively want to drive players from the game. They really want to think of themselves as master PvPers, but aren't good enough to beat any worthy opponents.
That help you? Few people understand the psycology of a highway traffic cop. Your average speeder will panic and immediately pull over to the side. This is wrong. It arouses contempt in the cop heart. Make the bastard chase you. He will follow. |
Winchester Steele
921
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Posted - 2014.04.10 14:58:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:GM Lelouch wrote:can baiting hi gm lelouch "can baiting" does not exist anymore
One of my very first memories in Eve was being can baited in Arnon by some guy named Socratic. I also had my mission item stolen in the epic arc by a guy named isk4trade. Sad that these activities are gone to be honest, they are really what made me fall in love with Eve.
Had these events not happened I probably would have quit Eve, as I was already finding the "content" quite boring. Thankfully these pillars of the community did their duty and interacted me into loving Eve. Oh well.
RIP Can Baiting. :( ... |
Winchester Steele
921
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Posted - 2014.04.10 15:01:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Baneken wrote:Oh dear, the old "because I shoot them they learn" -argument. Actually it does work. Beat on your children, smack them around when they give lip and give them a good thrashing occasionally even if they do nothing wrong and they will grow up to beat on their own children, smack them around when they give lip and give them a good thrashing occasionally even if they do nothing wrong What actually happens is that as soon as your children grow up, they kick the living **** out of you and then for good measure they burn down your house. With you still in it. Lesson: Be good to your kids and you'll live longer. Mr Epeen They're the dumb ones, the smart ones put you in a nursing home, where you're fed pureed catfood and beaten by the nurses. You can't complain because you're non-stop on the tranqs and meanwhile the kids are selling ur house, car, and visit ya once a year to pinch you under your soiled blankies.
Thats some pretty dark **** for a white knight IZ. Jeez lol. ... |
Aadris
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.04.10 16:28:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Is it rookies in rookie systems, or the very act of baiting in rookie systems themselves?
If that is the case, CCP is then not only creating a safe zone for rookie players, but all mission runners within rookie systems and surely that is not the intent? If I bait (or gank) a one month old toon in a rookie system and splode him, surely he is responsible at that point for his own detonation?
Specifically, please confirm: 1) What defines 'rookie', 1 week old, 2 weeks old... 2) Can non-rookies be sploded in rookie systems?
I thank you for the enlightened conversation and churn that these rule proclamations by web-site generate in terms of players having to read tea-leaves, as opposed to just coding for it in-game and letting people have at it.
F
Do you really need to be told exactly what you can and can't do like a kid? Pretend you're an adult for a second and use your personal judgement like you hopefully do in real life.
The people judging this (GM's) have to do exactly the same thing themselves when deciding whether or not someone has broken the rules, there is no magic formula or exhaustive list of every possible action and whether it's allowed or not. If what you are doing could potentially be reasonably interpreted as breaking the rules on griefing, it's probably a bad idea to do it.
Real world laws regarding assault or fraud for example for give general definitions of what constitutes those things and you are expected to use your brain to decide whether or not any potential actions might be interpreted as such.
The real question is why would anyone want to attack people in newbie systems when there are 7600 others full of people you could be interacting with? Why bother get so close to the griefing rules that you need specific rule interpretations spoon fed to you so you can make sure you are just on the right side of the line?
The thing that blows my mind is that people are actually sad enough to bother to do this stuff (can flipping rookies etc) when Eve has such an enormous sandbox with so much to do and so much potential PvP. I know this is a stupid suggestion since the people doing this only want to pick on weak, inexperienced or confused players but fly out to any nullsec entry point or low sec system with some pop and you'll find a fight real soon. The amount of stuff in this game that is considered griefing is tiny so pick something else to do that isn't so close to the line and you won't get in trouble.
My suggestion: Don't harass people who can barely play the game who also represent CCP's future customers, targeting them may land you in trouble and is also really lame. |
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4713
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Posted - 2014.04.10 16:38:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Is it rookies in rookie systems, or the very act of baiting in rookie systems themselves?
If that is the case, CCP is then not only creating a safe zone for rookie players, but all mission runners within rookie systems and surely that is not the intent? If I bait (or gank) a one month old toon in a rookie system and splode him, surely he is responsible at that point for his own detonation?
Specifically, please confirm: 1) What defines 'rookie', 1 week old, 2 weeks old... 2) Can non-rookies be sploded in rookie systems?
I thank you for the enlightened conversation and churn that these rule proclamations by web-site generate in terms of players having to read tea-leaves, as opposed to just coding for it in-game and letting people have at it.
F
Clarification of the clarification of the clarification. Good old lawyering.
It's obvious where you are trying to go with this. Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Kaius Fero
16
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Posted - 2014.04.10 16:58:00 -
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I also have good memories of can baiting on my first EVE character. It was like an extra tutorial on EVE game mechanics. But.. the huge difference is that those can baitings were not done by some lame wannabe pvp dudes like the NO gang these days, but rather by some very experienced null players/gentlemans whom after they killed me ... they donated a few million isk and also a few very precious advices about the EVE game mechanics. Most probably they were goons :)
But those were the glorious times when Burn Jita, ice interdiction and hulkagedon were done by professionals not by these lame so called .. hi sec content creators. I seriously miss the old fashion goons, the true villans of EVE. What we have now in EVE is just lame. Is why I voted mynna and the whole goon gang for CSM... I miss the goon incursions in hi sec. |
Anslo
Scope Works
4829
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Posted - 2014.04.10 17:04:00 -
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Feyd tried lowsec and got his sacri dunked by a t3 fleet. Thus he spergs and blaps highsecbros to grow his ego back.
vOv bads gonna bad
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1099
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Posted - 2014.04.10 17:20:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Is it rookies in rookie systems, or the very act of baiting in rookie systems themselves? if you are baiting in starter systems, whether can baiting, stealing and going suspect yourself, or some other method; in many cases you can't know in advance who is going to take the bait.
Best just to assume a new player might and then avoid that situation all together.
Even ifby baiting you convo someone into accepting a duel or shooting you first, there's no real reason to be looking for pvp in a starter system in the first place. There are plenty of other highsec systems available. . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1100
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Posted - 2014.04.10 17:28:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Feyd tried lowsec and got his sacri dunked by a t3 fleet. Thus he spergs and blaps highsecbros to grow his ego back.
vOv bads gonna bad Is ego also the reason you constantly sperg and blap personal attacks in the forum? . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
Anslo
Scope Works
4829
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Posted - 2014.04.10 17:34:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Anslo wrote:Feyd tried lowsec and got his sacri dunked by a t3 fleet. Thus he spergs and blaps highsecbros to grow his ego back.
vOv bads gonna bad Is ego also the reason you constantly sperg and blap personal attacks in the forum? Not really. I just don't like him.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1101
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Posted - 2014.04.10 17:37:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Not really. I just don't like him. Then perhaps just block him and save everyone else a bunch of bad forum posts. . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
Anslo
Scope Works
4829
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Posted - 2014.04.10 17:47:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Anslo wrote:Not really. I just don't like him. Then perhaps just block him and save everyone else a bunch of bad forum posts. Perhaps you should take your own advice?
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3313
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Posted - 2014.04.10 17:47:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Anslo wrote:Not really. I just don't like him. Then perhaps just block him and save everyone else a bunch of bad forum posts.
Lets keep it civil, Anslo's allowed to express himself as much as we all are. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1104
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Posted - 2014.04.10 17:55:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Perhaps you should take your own advice? Nah, I don't dislike anyone and generally like to read what other people think.
Personal attacks just lead to retaliation and counter-attack that is not productive. If you don't like someone, block them. The personal attacks just get in the way of good discussion and are just as much against the rules of the forum as you see highsec ganking being against the spirit of good play.
Its difficult in that situation to say one is bad without also accpeting that the other is too.
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
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Anslo
Scope Works
4829
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Posted - 2014.04.10 17:58:00 -
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The guy brags about it. He likes seeing people leave Eve if they dont mold to his vision of the sandbox. If anyone calls him for a real fight he laughs from highsec and kills more bears. If he actually retaliated from my posts and came to fight, I'd have gained a little respect for him.
As it stands, he just comes off as self righteous in his ganking. It's everything I stand against. Sorry if it annoys you.
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Kaius Fero
17
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Posted - 2014.04.10 18:22:00 -
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Anslo wrote:The guy brags about it. He likes seeing people leave Eve if they dont mold to his vision of the sandbox. If anyone calls him for a real fight he laughs from highsec and kills more bears. If he actually retaliated from my posts and came to fight, I'd have gained a little respect for him.
As it stands, he just comes off as self righteous in his ganking. It's everything I stand against. Sorry if it annoys you. And you suck. You had your chance to be a leader against a lame organization, but you .. same as others.. chickened out. Instead of being a silent killer, you become the most popular char on NO site. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
187
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Posted - 2014.04.10 18:24:00 -
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Kaius Fero wrote:Anslo wrote:The guy brags about it. He likes seeing people leave Eve if they dont mold to his vision of the sandbox. If anyone calls him for a real fight he laughs from highsec and kills more bears. If he actually retaliated from my posts and came to fight, I'd have gained a little respect for him.
As it stands, he just comes off as self righteous in his ganking. It's everything I stand against. Sorry if it annoys you. And you suck. You had your chance to be a leader against a lame organization, but you .. same as others.. chickened out. Instead of being a silent killer, you become the most popular char on NO site. Hu?
What did I miss here? |
Kaius Fero
18
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Posted - 2014.04.10 18:31:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Kaius Fero wrote:Anslo wrote:The guy brags about it. He likes seeing people leave Eve if they dont mold to his vision of the sandbox. If anyone calls him for a real fight he laughs from highsec and kills more bears. If he actually retaliated from my posts and came to fight, I'd have gained a little respect for him.
As it stands, he just comes off as self righteous in his ganking. It's everything I stand against. Sorry if it annoys you. And you suck. You had your chance to be a leader against a lame organization, but you .. same as others.. chickened out. Instead of being a silent killer, you become the most popular char on NO site. Hu? What did I miss here? Nothing. Just Anslo being a looser.. as always. |
Anslo
Scope Works
4830
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Posted - 2014.04.10 18:39:00 -
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Bro...you uh...you're a little behind the times.
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
191
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Posted - 2014.04.10 18:40:00 -
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Kaius Fero wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Kaius Fero wrote:Anslo wrote:The guy brags about it. He likes seeing people leave Eve if they dont mold to his vision of the sandbox. If anyone calls him for a real fight he laughs from highsec and kills more bears. If he actually retaliated from my posts and came to fight, I'd have gained a little respect for him.
As it stands, he just comes off as self righteous in his ganking. It's everything I stand against. Sorry if it annoys you. And you suck. You had your chance to be a leader against a lame organization, but you .. same as others.. chickened out. Instead of being a silent killer, you become the most popular char on NO site. Hu? What did I miss here? Nothing. Just Anslo being a looser.. as always. It's loser. One o.
He could have been the leader of what?
Against whom?
The NO?
haha, you're joking, right?
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
191
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Posted - 2014.04.10 18:41:00 -
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHhahHaha
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Kaius Fero
18
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Posted - 2014.04.10 18:57:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHhahHaha
AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHhahahahahahahahahahahaHAHAHhahahahahahaha
Dude. Take a deep breath. Then the medication. That's all. |
Winchester Steele
931
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Posted - 2014.04.10 21:12:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Anslo wrote:Feyd tried lowsec and got his sacri dunked by a t3 fleet. Thus he spergs and blaps highsecbros to grow his ego back.
vOv bads gonna bad Is ego also the reason you constantly sperg and blap personal attacks in the forum?
That's cold bro. ... |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4586
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Posted - 2014.04.10 21:33:00 -
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Anslo, calling someone self righteous. I almost swallowed my tongue laughing. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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