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Messoroz
AQUILA INC
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Posted - 2011.11.14 17:44:00 -
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WhyTry1 wrote:Marivauder wrote:WhyTry1 wrote:Messoroz wrote:WhyTry1 wrote: I think you missed the whole point completely. Everyone else however didnt..
I am not missing the point, I am seeing what everyone else is too lazy to see between the lines. And that is you and many other fail corporations are too lazy to be unique, too lazy to be proactive, you just want a sense of power by running a corp. Strange that every other post, agrees. Peoplea re not lazy at all or unique. The simple fact is there are thousands more corps doing exactly the same thing! You can offer everything and anything, so does everyone else. The simple fact is most people are only drawn to 0.0 sov alliances, which most space holding. Why because its safe and offers lots of carebearing opportunites too, even hardcore pvpers want that too. I remember when my corp was in an alliance, we owned a large region of 0.0 space and i had people falling over to join us. I mean we could pick and choose we had 150 - 30+mill sp guys in a matter of weeks no problem. As soon as we lost that space, and its happens now as much, people leave and go to another 0.0 sov holding alliance. I mean now its worse, as soon as a 0.0 sov alliance loses space they actually disband!..thats a simple fact... You're an idiot, you don't understand... yes lots of corps in eve do the same thing, yes lots of people want 0.0 sov If i ever rejoin a 0.0 sov, i don't want to join a renter alliance, i laugh at all these people who go "WE NEED 0.0 PILOTS FOR OUR 0.0 PVP CORPS" to which i then read "Shadow of xxdeathxx" To create a reputation you can do the same thing over and over again, but you gotta do it to the right people.. e.g. when the late great imperial 0rder was alliance, AQUILA INC. was literally their main threat next to Controlled chaos and Territorial claim Unit. Why? because we came out of nowhere and opened ****... Point i'm getting at is that you don't NEED sov, you just need a reputation in what you do, and to build that, you gotta **** those off who have a reputation. reported for abuse - the thread was going along nicely until you came in with your bad attitude.
You do realize that he didn't even insert curse words right? He literally inserted asteriks himself. Like this ****** you ************* should really ********** stop ******************* *** ** * ** ** * ** filling in the blanks ***************** yourself.
You are just hurt and offended that somebody is speaking the truth. |
David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
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Posted - 2011.11.14 18:08:00 -
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WhyTry1 wrote:Eve has grown quite a lot in the past 5 years, and the number of corps and alliances have grown exponentially, where there are litterly thousands of them and hundreds of alliances. There are so many corps/alliances doing the same thing, that to be honest even offering 0.0 space, even free ships doesnt work. It seems the the only stuff people are mainly interested in is 0.0 sov, however not just any 0.0 sov holder, you have to be a blot on the influence map! If you are not on there then you not really considered. The recruitment forums and channels are so saturated that in fact unless your like above then in order to get a decent corp together its nigh on impossible. You can dress up your recruitment posts, give the world, make in niche, dont matter. As the word says you cant even give it away. Even complete noobies are drawn in by either Eve Uni or Goons. The ingame recruitment thingy is just a waste of time, wonder if anyone has ever really effectively recruited from it. Has it just now become for the normal players, corps are just based on a few friends, is that tune CCP rings about making megacorps in the trailers, not really true! anymore and infact opportunities are in fact limited not limitless.
the reason for people not wanting to join just any small 0.0 sov holding alliances is because they tend to fail cascade within the first year and thus members get their stuff locked into outposts..
The larger more established alliances tend have better support systems for their members and are less likely to lose their space. Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs. |
SOISOISOIOSIOSISOISOIS
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.14 18:41:00 -
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The day it became hard to recruit new members was when npc corp tax was introduced. after that day everyone made a corp to evade tax and that spiraled into there being more and more corps all wanting to recruit members. |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.14 18:45:00 -
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Ive just been in the recruitment channel and its a failscape of corps that everyone should avoid
10%-12.5% tax rates and they are asking for mission runners.
no wonder people avoid it like the plague |
E man Industries
SeaChell Productions
120
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Posted - 2011.11.14 18:48:00 -
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Most recruiting occurs out of game..but the stuff that does come from in game is by word of mouth or by fleeting with people.
You want to recruit newer players....fleet with them and help them out. As newer player getting a fleet from another player and getting help will make them very likely to join your corp. Same goes for advice offered in the help chat. Help them out and invite them to a convo to ansewer there questions. Eventually give your corp pitch.(don't just invite to convo to give your pitch that is annoying and pisses people off)
Also anytime you fleet look at the people you like to fly with...invite them.
Last night in an incursion fleet the FC gave a short plug for his corp....
So yes there are ways to recruit....but just having a silly little add won't help.
We need more to do, not more to wear. Let me know when-áCCP has decent content a casual player can access in a 1-2h play period that is actually fun and contributes to long term personal and corp goals. |
SOISOISOIOSIOSISOISOIS
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.14 18:52:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:Ive just been in the recruitment channel and its a failscape of corps that everyone should avoid
10%-12.5% tax rates and they are asking for mission runners.
no wonder people avoid it like the plague
yeh maybe it is just coincidence but i noticed it all start happening once npc corp tax happened. lots of small corps all heavily recruiting and spamming recruitment channel and around starter systems.
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Earl Hazard
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.14 18:56:00 -
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Trust me it is not that new folks don't want to join a corp. it is very hard to find one that fits. My wife and I do not want to join a corp. that has 20 people and half or more are alts. We do not want to join one that requires us to attend classes at specific time as we do not know if we can commit to making those times as we are working adults with kids. We are new so we do not have the sp to join most of the corps that do advertise and look like they could be interesting. We can see that there are thousands of corps but in general most seem to lazy to actually recruit or too elitist to really want someone new. So we stay in an NPC corp. and train to blow stuff up and make some money. Not much else we can do. |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.14 19:13:00 -
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This is the players fault. They don't want to lose their 60 mil hurricane or their 200mil maelstrom. Every time i see someone say "don't trust anyone in EVE" i get a little angry inside. How are you suppose to make friends or be social? Just sit in the damn station and play barbie?
I don't feel like typing but thought this was appropriate. I was in a corp long ago that was very small and we spent almost everyday BSing and laughing in voice chat. We dealt with wardecs all the time but no one wanted to use there good ships so we threw frigs and t1 cruisers at them and game them free KMs. Later on we put up a POS where we could hangout in and do research stuff. Everyone thought we were pretty close group of guys until the management decided to charge to use the POS and require a full API. 3 guys including me loled and left. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2011.11.14 19:35:00 -
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Going from how often people who drop from corps I am at war with later tell me how once the war started their CEO randomly kicked everyone from their corp who had been there for less than [arbitrary period of time] or how they were personally accused of spying because we forgot to point them in a fleet fight and they got away I'm going to say that the immense level of paranoia going on in some corps isn't helping them gain and retain members.
Seriously, most people aren't spies and aren't out to **** you over, you don't have to have a tick up your ass about security. |
Pollychrest
eHarmony Inc.
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Posted - 2011.11.14 19:37:00 -
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I have actually had a lot of success with the recruit channel. I will admit, it is all about volume though.
It's important to think about it from the perspective of a potential recruit. They are browsing that channel 90% of the time because they want to join an established corp where content will be provided for them. If they wanted to put the effort in to FC or run PVE/Industry operations (the kind of thing that retains your average player) they would start their own corp.
No one wants to join a corp with 10% taxes and no one wants to join a corp with 2 people in it. If you are starting from scratch, either make friends ahead of time so you can build momentum right off the bat, or fill your corp with alts so you can at least throw an illusion on.
Sure you will only retain 1 out of 15 or 20 members you find in the recruitment channel at first, but good new recruits tend to have friends. If you can establish an active player base of 10-15 people and more than one of them can lead operations to provide content for your average member, you are on your way.
When heavily recruiting I tend to spam the recruitment channel for a minimum of several hours a day. |
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Kietay Ayari
Monopoly Money Operations
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Posted - 2011.11.14 19:47:00 -
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I am still very new to this game and I can tell you from personal experience it is not hard at all to recruit people if you are a small Corporation! :O Just use your noodle! Ferox #1 |
Jita Alt666
537
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:08:00 -
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Amsterdam Conversations wrote:If you want to recruit people, stop asking for pathetic things like full API.
Literally 90% of corps of bad alliances ask for full APIs, because they're scared to hell of spies (you know, spies don't get your fleet killed, bad FCs and fleet members do). No good recruit is gonna give away all his personal information and probably his ways of making ISK just to get into a bad corp of a bad alliance.
I mean, I have more success getting into "famous" alliances without API keys at all, while most rather bad alliances won't even let me in without full API.
That is bad advice. Spies kill Fleets fast. Having said that well known pilots tend to get into good alliances because the pilots in the good alliances know them or of them. Where as bad alliances don't know players from a bar of soap. |
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