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Xoria Krint
DOT Inc
91
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Posted - 2014.04.08 12:15:00 -
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Never forget
Do you think CCP is on the right track? How long do you think it will take? |
Jeremiah Saken
State Protectorate Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2014.04.08 12:25:00 -
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Exploration
Mystery
Remove sites names after scan to 100% and we will have mystery
Data site. Warp to?
"I am a leaf on the wind - watch how I soar" "Cry baby cry make, your mother sigh" "Dear Buddha, please bring me a pony and a plastic rocket..." |
Xoria Krint
DOT Inc
91
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Posted - 2014.04.08 12:30:00 -
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I would love to get a response from the devs. Is this still the roadmap for nullsec? |
Jeremiah Saken
State Protectorate Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2014.04.08 12:43:00 -
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Quote:I would love to get a response from the devs. Is this still the roadmap for nullsec?
They will balance the ships first. Apparently balancing ships is more important than what you can achieve with them. "I am a leaf on the wind - watch how I soar" "Cry baby cry make, your mother sigh" "Dear Buddha, please bring me a pony and a plastic rocket..." |
Spurty
V0LTA Triumvirate.
1316
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Posted - 2014.04.08 12:46:00 -
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Logistics should be a weakness for larger organizations of players. It should avoid being tedious, but it should remain a major point of concern as size increases, and be one of the primary drawbacks of growing beyond a certain size.
- this idea was probably the first idea to fall off the table I guess.
*signature is not allowed on the EVE Online forums* |
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
203
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Posted - 2014.04.08 13:46:00 -
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Spurty wrote:Logistics should be a weakness for larger organizations of players. It should avoid being tedious, but it should remain a major point of concern as size increases, and be one of the primary drawbacks of growing beyond a certain size.
- this idea was probably the first idea to fall off the table I guess.
Because it's completely impractical and logistics is, by its nature, efficiently scaleable. Even if you implemented some completely stupid arbitrary ingame rules to prevent that the end result would be creating hundreds of tiny little corps or organizations to accommodate logistics. |
Xoria Krint
DOT Inc
91
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Posted - 2014.04.08 13:51:00 -
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Loraine Gess wrote:Spurty wrote:Logistics should be a weakness for larger organizations of players. It should avoid being tedious, but it should remain a major point of concern as size increases, and be one of the primary drawbacks of growing beyond a certain size.
- this idea was probably the first idea to fall off the table I guess.
Because it's completely impractical and logistics is, by its nature, efficiently scaleable. Even if you implemented some completely stupid arbitrary ingame rules to prevent that the end result would be creating hundreds of tiny little corps or organizations to accommodate logistics. You could still make it more risky..... |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
510
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Posted - 2014.04.08 14:05:00 -
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Xoria Krint wrote:Never forgetDo you think CCP is on the right track? How long do you think it will take?
Looking at the chart makes me think its part of a CCP troll. See the list for mining. Lucrative is listed. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5569
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Posted - 2014.04.08 14:07:00 -
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Xoria Krint wrote:Loraine Gess wrote:Spurty wrote:Logistics should be a weakness for larger organizations of players. It should avoid being tedious, but it should remain a major point of concern as size increases, and be one of the primary drawbacks of growing beyond a certain size.
- this idea was probably the first idea to fall off the table I guess.
Because it's completely impractical and logistics is, by its nature, efficiently scaleable. Even if you implemented some completely stupid arbitrary ingame rules to prevent that the end result would be creating hundreds of tiny little corps or organizations to accommodate logistics. You could still make it more risky..... I remember the good old days. No JF's or capitals what so ever. You had to haul your **** in a tech I hauler. Try to imagine that. I'm not saying that's a good way to do it, but its sure is better then it is today. And it required you to work for it...... Risk vs Reward. The bittervet is strong in this one. Yep, EVE was a much more interesting place when you had to defend your assets while moving them... or had the opportunity to interdict someone else's. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Xoria Krint
DOT Inc
91
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Posted - 2014.04.08 14:13:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:
Looking at the chart makes me think its part of a CCP troll. See the list for mining. Lucrative is listed.
Yea, it brings a bittervet tear to my eye. Nullsec used to be full of miners even though the population in Eve was much lower. Today nullsec is just full of nullified T3's.
Ranger 1 wrote: Yep, EVE was a much more interesting place when you had to defend your assets while moving them... or had the opportunity to interdict someone else's.
Indeed. |
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Amyclas Amatin
xX-Crusader-Xx Li3 Federation
218
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Posted - 2014.04.08 14:17:00 -
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What's pve? Half my alliance makes isk on their credit card while playing POS bashing online. For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/ High-Sec has a future, But do You? Buy a Mining Permit to Secure yours today. |
Thead Enco
47th Ronin
127
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Posted - 2014.04.08 14:52:00 -
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Xoria Krint wrote:Never forgetDo you think CCP is on the right track? How long do you think it will take?
I think even CCP forgot about that vision outlined in the blog, Case in point "ESS". Seriously though when's the last time CCP had a real disscussion with the community on sov mechanics?
-á"A Lannister always pays his debts."
-áTyrion Lannister |
Spurty
V0LTA Triumvirate.
1317
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Posted - 2014.04.08 15:42:00 -
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Spent many an hour in an obelisk being escorted through 0.0
Was the most nerve wracking and yet fleet appreciative part of the game
What you consider a "tedious activity" another considers "team building and important activity".
Being able to jump from high sec to a station in low = big blow to team work.
Now days it's a given that some scrub does it all solo and unencumbered.
That one guy needs to be punished, but clearly he's into that sort of thing.
Would love to see groups of 10 doing missions and making 1.1 LP each
Have the newish incursion bell curve on null mission payouts.
*signature is not allowed on the EVE Online forums* |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
596
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Posted - 2014.04.08 16:10:00 -
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I think the coming changes to refining are a good first step in making 0.0 mining more of a thing than it is currently. So in that regard, yes they are on the right track. Though much more needs to happen to make null sec empires more reliant on their local resources instead of leeching someone else's empire (NPC empire space) to maintain their own. That's something I would eventually like to see happen. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
306
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Posted - 2014.04.08 16:22:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:I think the coming changes to refining are a good first step in making 0.0 mining more of a thing than it is currently. So in that regard, yes they are on the right track. Though much more needs to happen to make null sec empires more reliant on their local resources instead of leeching someone else's empire (NPC empire space) to maintain their own. That's something I would eventually like to see happen.
What he said. They are making changes to refining, and prolly mining as well, this will give a boost to null sec industry. Also adding the compresstion array will help too.
The siphon and mobile hanger units helped null as well, games new ways to get money and be able to roam on yoru own.
Mobile cyno jammer should of helped as well. So slowly they are making changes. I think by the time the new space open up, we will have a complete null sec revamp, over a long period of time. Probably by that time, we will have new sov mechanics too, but implemented over a few expansions and not just one big lump. |
Xoria Krint
DOT Inc
92
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Posted - 2014.04.08 17:49:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:I think the coming changes to refining are a good first step in making 0.0 mining more of a thing than it is currently. So in that regard, yes they are on the right track. Though much more needs to happen to make null sec empires more reliant on their local resources instead of leeching someone else's empire (NPC empire space) to maintain their own. That's something I would eventually like to see happen. I agree. It's a good step. I would just like to get a confirmation that this roadmap is still the one they are following.
DaReaper wrote: The siphon and mobile hanger units helped null as well, games new ways to get money and be able to roam on yoru own.
Mobile cyno jammer should of helped as well. So slowly they are making changes. I think by the time the new space open up, we will have a complete null sec revamp, over a long period of time. Probably by that time, we will have new sov mechanics too, but implemented over a few expansions and not just one big lump.
Adding some mobile units is in my opinion some very small steps. But i agree, it's a good change. But much more is needed and keep in mind that the dev blog is from 2011. If they are keeping that speed we might have new sov mechanics by 2020. |
Jeremiah Saken
State Protectorate Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2014.04.08 18:11:00 -
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Quote:Fozzie and Bettik asked what would happen if all mineral compression was eliminated tomorrow, along with titan bridging freighters, forcing 0.0 groups to mine and build in their own space. The initial response was that sov alliances would simply relocate to high-sec entrance points and import their requirements, or simply move to low-sec staging points.
From january minutes regarding nullsec. I'm confused here. Nullsec not so promise land? "I am a leaf on the wind - watch how I soar" "Cry baby cry make, your mother sigh" "Dear Buddha, please bring me a pony and a plastic rocket..." |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
1158
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Posted - 2014.04.08 18:32:00 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote:Quote:Fozzie and Bettik asked what would happen if all mineral compression was eliminated tomorrow, along with titan bridging freighters, forcing 0.0 groups to mine and build in their own space. The initial response was that sov alliances would simply relocate to high-sec entrance points and import their requirements, or simply move to low-sec staging points. From january minutes regarding nullsec. I'm confused here. Nullsec not so promise land?
No, they want to force PVP Alliances to bring in lots of Industrial types and operate independently, rather than depending on Highsec. They have been pushing this for years, with mixed results.
CCP: "We know what's best for the game, so you can't have any options....." |
Tarpedo
Incursionista
1308
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Posted - 2014.04.08 18:36:00 -
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I guess "loot bukakke" in data sites is that CCP call "dynamic and challenging" exploration.
Still data/relic sites seems to be close to "exploration" goals (nomadic/lucrative/non-just combat/etc). |
Agondray
Dark Forge Enterprise Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
90
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Posted - 2014.04.08 18:47:00 -
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Remember kids, what do the big bad pvp corps say to carebears that bring isk and mins to them?
Not Today "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mine" -Dr. Smith |
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
11981
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Posted - 2014.04.08 19:35:00 -
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CCP is lucky that I don't work for them because that dry erase board would have all sorts of stuff done to it... not to mention cat pictures drawn on it, and strategic letters removed or replaced for hidden lulz.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
1253
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Posted - 2014.04.08 20:26:00 -
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Xoria Krint wrote:Never forgetDo you think CCP is on the right track? How long do you think it will take?
The seagull landed then we got epic fail... Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Jeremiah Saken
State Protectorate Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2014.04.08 20:33:00 -
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Quote:Still data/relic sites seems to be close to "exploration" goals (nomadic/lucrative/non-just combat/etc).
Best part is nomadic. You can fly wherever you want. One ship fit for exploration and new eden is yours.
Quote:No, they want to force PVP Alliances to bring in lots of Industrial types and operate independently, rather than depending on Highsec.
Null is Highsec dependent? No wonder its empty.
"I am a leaf on the wind - watch how I soar" "Cry baby cry make, your mother sigh" "Dear Buddha, please bring me a pony and a plastic rocket..." |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
3166
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Posted - 2014.04.08 21:36:00 -
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I'm going to dovetail the OP with this link to the old F&I forums, which have each topic of discussion with regards to nullsec goals (early 2011). It's worth reading if you are interested...
I was most interested in the concept of "smallholding", but I think we are actually getting there w/ mobile depots and the like.
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1292
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Posted - 2014.04.08 21:55:00 -
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That whiteboard in the linked site need one more thing drawed. I am surprised they did not draw it, maybe it is on another whiteboard, or they just did not really started working on it all for serious... When weapons, technology, and economies mature faster than the leadership culture entrusted with them, disaster ensues. |
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers SpaceMonkey's Alliance
442
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Posted - 2014.04.08 23:01:00 -
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Gogela wrote:I'm going to dovetail the OP with this link to the old F&I forums, which have each topic of discussion with regards to nullsec goals (early 2011). It's worth reading if you are interested...I was most interested in the concept of "smallholding", but I think we are actually getting there w/ mobile depots and the like.
good lord i almost forgot about those, i would like to suggest to CCP if they are reading this thread, to putting up these stickies again but fresh new ones and having another community discussion again about it . |
Xoria Krint
DOT Inc
92
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Posted - 2014.04.09 00:23:00 -
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Gogela wrote:I'm going to dovetail the OP with this link to the old F&I forums, which have each topic of discussion with regards to nullsec goals (early 2011). It's worth reading if you are interested...I was most interested in the concept of "smallholding", but I think we are actually getting there w/ mobile depots and the like. Woha... To bad those got lost when they changed forum. Many good ideas.
CCP should really repost them. |
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers SpaceMonkey's Alliance
444
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Posted - 2014.04.09 12:14:00 -
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Also an updated white board with would be nice also |
Xoria Krint
DOT Inc
94
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Posted - 2014.04.09 22:00:00 -
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ITTigerClawIK wrote:Also an updated white board with would be nice also Indeed. I hope they will release more information at the Fanfest... Not only DUST and ship skins. |
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