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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
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Posted - 2014.04.10 15:16:00 -
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And once again, CCP refuses to outline who and where the ISK was impounded from, because protecting the privacy of a fictional character is critical.
Also, how much was impounded from buyers, and how much from sellers? What was the breakdown on where the ISK was generated? High sec, null sec, low sec, wormholes? Surely if CCP is sophisticated enough to track this stuff, they can track the activity history of the people they impounded the ISK from.
But instead, CCP has to protect even that information, because heaven forbid the subscription base get a clear picture of the situation. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6863
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Posted - 2014.04.10 15:18:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:And once again, CCP refuses to outline who and where the ISK was impounded from, because protecting the privacy of a fictional character is critical.
Also, how much was impounded from buyers, and how much from sellers? What was the breakdown on where the ISK was generated? High sec, null sec, low sec, wormholes? Surely if CCP is sophisticated enough to track this stuff, they can track the activity history of the people they impounded the ISK from.
But instead, CCP has to protect even that information, because heaven forbid the subscription base get a clear picture of the situation. past team security presentations have shown there's more bots in the forge than all of nullsec
best of luck with your insane delusions Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Disadvantaged Persons Outreach Division:
"We hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |
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CCP Bugartist
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.10 15:44:00 -
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Dear Capsuleers,
we really appreciate your interest in the topic and we know that a lot of you are hungry for details.
Quote:No security related dev blog without a graph
In order to follow this age-old tradition, hereGÇÖs a brief teaser of whatGÇÖs coming at Fanfest below...
We are going to provide much more detail about this graph/data and many more at Fanfest. Even if you cannot make it in person you are welcome to join the stream. Also, we plan to provide a written summary of our Fanfest talk afterwards including the outcome of the security round-table.
As we still have a bit of time left until Fanfest I kindly ask you to post your information requests to this thread. We are monitoring this thread and I promise that at Fanfest we will address as many topics mentioned in here as possible.
All of our team members (InfoSec and Team Security) will be around at Fanfest. If you have any special topic you want to discuss with us and you feel it requires a scheduled time slot, just drop us an email at [email protected] and we will get back to you with a suggested FF day and time. Please understand that these special sessions are limited.
Thanks for your support, CCP Bugartist |
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voetius
BITB Support Services
212
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Posted - 2014.04.10 16:19:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:And once again, CCP refuses to outline who and where the ISK was impounded from, because protecting the privacy of a fictional character is critical.
Also, how much was impounded from buyers, and how much from sellers? What was the breakdown on where the ISK was generated? High sec, null sec, low sec, wormholes? Surely if CCP is sophisticated enough to track this stuff, they can track the activity history of the people they impounded the ISK from.
But instead, CCP has to protect even that information, because heaven forbid the subscription base get a clear picture of the situation.
I would like to see some information along the lines that Dinsdale has asked for as well. There is a large amount of speculation and anecdotal evidence on the forums and virtually nothing in the way of facts from CCP. As I don't have a horse in the race I would be interested in knowing some breakdowns based on security status and on activities (ratting, mining, missioning, etc.).
Thanks for all your efforts Bugartist and Team Security, it's appreciated. |
Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
110
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Posted - 2014.04.10 16:30:00 -
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Is there any chance that use of ISBoxer or similar 'botting' software within EVE Online can be made illegal under the EULA |
Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
973
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Posted - 2014.04.10 20:40:00 -
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How about some tools for a player to actually challenge a potential bot? We would like to help. I have no idea what this would look like. In terms of information:
Maybe one of CCP Quant's graphs for botting? I'd very much like to see actual numbers of bots and ISK sellers caught. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
Audrey Koshka
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
13
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Posted - 2014.04.10 20:53:00 -
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Another person interested in two factor authentication checking in. |
Aalysia Valkeiper
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2014.04.11 21:21:00 -
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As somebody who is presently studying network security under scholarship, I have some inkling how difficult your jobs are.
Security is a dynamic enterprise because those who want to 'get in/alter data' are never resting on their laurels and are always adapting to their success (getting in) or your success (stopping them).
If you stopped one attempt, they're adjusting to how you stopped them and trying something else. If you didn't stop them, you have to discover they are there, stop them, and close the hole they found to get in.
Since EvE online is played internationally, your efforts are hampered by the fact some countries don't have laws against cybercrime and some countries even SUPPORT cybercrime (as crazy as that seems).
The very type of operation Eve online is (a 'open-ended' game) also hampers security concerns since you have to be extremely careful what you are observing is not some new tactic cooked up by a legitimate player, but an actual bot or a RMT.
I, for one, appreciate what you're doing and wish you the best of fortune. |
Aalysia Valkeiper
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2014.04.11 21:39:00 -
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Zappity wrote:How about some tools for a player to actually challenge a potential bot? We would like to help. I have no idea what this would look like. In terms of information:
Maybe one of CCP Quant's graphs for botting? I'd very much like to see actual numbers of bots and ISK sellers caught.
Edit: bot-hunting! Make it a new profession supported by challenge tools prior to lodging a bot ticket with rewards for each bot caught!
To give the players such a tool would also give the bot-makers the same tool. The tool's effectiveness may last a week (at most).
If such a tool were made available, it would be a help while it was effective, but it would then open other security measures to being tampered with.
If real life money can be made from it, there will be some cyber genius doing it and waiting for such a break. |
Prince Kobol
1646
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Posted - 2014.04.11 21:55:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:And once again, CCP refuses to outline who and where the ISK was impounded from, because protecting the privacy of a fictional character is critical.
Also, how much was impounded from buyers, and how much from sellers? What was the breakdown on where the ISK was generated? High sec, null sec, low sec, wormholes? Surely if CCP is sophisticated enough to track this stuff, they can track the activity history of the people they impounded the ISK from.
But instead, CCP has to protect even that information, because heaven forbid the subscription base get a clear picture of the situation. past team security presentations have shown there's more bots in the forge than all of nullsec best of luck with your insane delusions
As much as we laugh at dinsdale with his crazy ass theories that there is some massive conspiracy going involved most of null sec and CCP, for once he has actually made a good point.
Would be great if CCP produced what he has asked for.
Now fair enough if CCP did produce such a break down and it showed that the vast majority of botting / RMT came from HS based players he would scream "lairs" and that its part of a conspiracy |
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Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
55
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Posted - 2014.04.11 23:02:00 -
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Welcome CCP Bugartist! Could you answer a couple of burning questions?
1. Could you please post an updated guide on how to detect bots?
2. Is it a EULA/ToS violation if someone continuously kills/pods a bot if the bot is stupid enough to keep coming back to the same spot? I once heard that it was.
3. Is it true that CCP Blofeld is so bad at PvP that you won't let him have an avatar?
Thanks! The Nosy Gamer - Free Wollari!-á Buy your EVE time codes through Dotlan maps! |
Aalysia Valkeiper
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2014.04.14 23:42:00 -
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Rosewalker wrote:Welcome CCP Bugartist! Could you answer a couple of burning questions?
1. Could you please post an updated guide on how to detect bots?
2. Is it a EULA/ToS violation if someone continuously kills/pods a bot if the bot is stupid enough to keep coming back to the same spot? I once heard that it was.
Thanks!
#1 would come in very handy for many of us. (myself included)
#2 is a very interesting question with serious implications either way it's answered. |
Kusum Fawn
State War Academy Caldari State
449
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Posted - 2014.04.26 23:25:00 -
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1 any guide for how to detect a bot can and will be used by bot makers to build a netter bot
2 yes, even if its a bot running the account, its operated by someone, repeated ganking for no gain can count as griefing. Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
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CCP Bugartist
C C P C C P Alliance
6
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Posted - 2014.04.30 12:32:00 -
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Hey everybody,
just a brief update. First of, thanks a lot for your questions and comments.
We are going to answer them in our presentation at 11:00 am UTC on Friday in (room) Singularity - it's also planned to be on the stream. And, what ever we will not be able to provide you with a suitable answer for in the presentation, we will have our round table for Security Q&A at 12:00 on Friday in (room) Dodixie.
You can find the Schedule for Fanfest here: http://fanfest.eveonline.com/en/news
Thanks, CCP Bugartist |
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