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Seyfer Nardieu
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.09 16:14:00 -
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So I've occasionally heard of corporations that simply don't allow miners to mine in certain .5 systems and actively gank people who try to mine 'their' system. Anyone know where/which corporations actively do this? I've never encountered them in game, probably because I never ever mine. But I'd like to fit out a tanky barge and see what kind of fun I can have. On my main of course. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds Affirmative.
3981
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Posted - 2014.04.09 16:24:00 -
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Posting in a stealth Code thread. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Seyfer Nardieu
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.04.09 16:26:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Posting in a stealth Code thread.
Mind filling me in on who/what 'Code' is? |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5173
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Posted - 2014.04.09 17:04:00 -
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If you take your miner to a .5 system with a gate to a .4 in it and when you search the belts they are full of big juicy asteroids, you're in the right place.
I don't know about fun, but you'll certainly see some action.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Seyfer Nardieu
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.09 17:08:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:If you take your miner to a .5 system with a gate to a .4 in it and when you search the belts they are full of big juicy asteroids, you're in the right place. I don't know about fun, but you'll certainly see some action. Mr Epeen
Thanks for the info. Unlike some people this was actually helpful. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
617
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Posted - 2014.04.09 17:16:00 -
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Seyfer Nardieu wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:If you take your miner to a .5 system with a gate to a .4 in it and when you search the belts they are full of big juicy asteroids, you're in the right place. I don't know about fun, but you'll certainly see some action. Mr Epeen Thanks for the info. Unlike some people this was actually helpful. lol Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áIf In Doubt....Do....Excessively. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Panhandle Industries
412
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Posted - 2014.04.09 17:24:00 -
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The new order has pockets of enforcement throughout high sec. If you really feel the need to mine in a code compliant system, I recommend checking some of the 0.5-0.7 systems in gallente space. As for actual code compliant alliances and corporations, I'm not sure of all of them, but our main one is "CODE.".
There are some other ganking groups that fall outside of the new order family, but I don't have details of their operations. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5174
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Posted - 2014.04.09 17:24:00 -
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Seyfer Nardieu wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:If you take your miner to a .5 system with a gate to a .4 in it and when you search the belts they are full of big juicy asteroids, you're in the right place. I don't know about fun, but you'll certainly see some action. Mr Epeen Thanks for the info. Unlike some people this was actually helpful.
Helpful? Maybe.
The last time I got caught in one, my 30k EHP buffer (gank) tanked Mackinaw was simply erased from space. You'll probably hate yourself for listening to me. If you do.
You are better off in a system known for ganking that's not close to low sec space. Those yahoos tend to not scan you before they start shooting and their fleets are small enough that they can be easily tanked. Then you can have some fun and might even grab one of their pods as they sit there wondering why you didn't blow up.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics CODE.
892
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Posted - 2014.04.09 18:56:00 -
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I have heard of corps outside the New Order that lay claim to a specific system and dont allow mining in it at all, but I couldn' tell you who they were or anything. Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory.-áAll miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code.-áMining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com to learn more. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3395
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Posted - 2014.04.09 19:09:00 -
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If you are in a system and being bothered, simply move. Especially get out of crowded Caldari space.
I've not run into these extortionists at all.
I personally target systems for mining that have less people in local than asteroid belts. |
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5175
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Posted - 2014.04.09 19:14:00 -
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Galaxy Pig wrote:I have heard of corps outside the New Order that lay claim to a specific system and dont allow mining in it at all, but I couldn' tell you who they were or anything.
I have boldly proclaimed my innate right to lord over a system before. Ordering that all bow down and worship me.
People actually reported me for it. Sometimes you just have to laugh at the entitlement of some players. Er...me included as well, I suppose, for expecting all to worship me. LOL.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
24858
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Posted - 2014.04.09 19:45:00 -
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Galaxy Pig wrote:I have heard of corps outside the New Order that lay claim to a specific system and dont allow mining in it at all, but I couldn' tell you who they were or anything. First of all, no player corp or alliance can claim ownership of Empire space. It is only owned by the controlling Faction listed in the top left corner of the screen.
Secondly, your forum signature is incorrect and gives new players a false impression that the extortion racket of your Corp / Alliance is an intended game mechanic created, sanctioned and endorsed by CCP. If you're going to continue posting in this sub-forum then you need to change your forum signature :
Quote:Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com to learn more.
I've already reported it once before in which ISD / CCL removed your reply and stated this.
As such I'm going to report it once again, only this time it will also be to Customer Support.
DMC Faction Standing Repair Plan | California Eve Players | (Proposal) Bring Back 'The Endless Battle' Missions |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Panhandle Industries
415
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Posted - 2014.04.09 19:59:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:First of all, no player corp or alliance can claim ownership of Empire space. It is only owned by the controlling Faction listed in the top left corner of the screen. They can claim ownership, but game mechanics do not enforce any ownership. This is exactly what the New Order does. The same could theoretically get done by using cloaky ships to shut down industrial systems in sov null without actually attacking sovereignty structures. Ownership of space is not a simple issue in eve, just as it is not in real life.
New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Zan'der Hakaari
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.04.09 20:11:00 -
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Galaxy Pig wrote:I have heard of corps outside the New Order that lay claim to a specific system and dont allow mining in it at all, but I couldn' tell you who they were or anything.
Yarebap is supposedly under the control of Special Assault Unit according to all the secure containers located in the belts claiming their ownership. Supposedly you'll be suicide ganked if you mine in their belts, but they are a german time zone corp that only seems to police their belts during german prime time. I spent many hours mining in Yarebap and never once saw anyone else in the system protecting the belts.
I of course was protecting their belts from rats that were illegally mining in their belts and have been holding the ore in a secure location until I can get a hold of them and return the ore to it's rightful owner.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
24860
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Posted - 2014.04.09 21:01:00 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:First of all, no player corp or alliance can claim ownership of Empire space. It is only owned by the controlling Faction listed in the top left corner of the screen. They can claim ownership, but game mechanics do not enforce any ownership. This is exactly what the New Order does. The same could theoretically get done by using cloaky ships to shut down industrial systems in sov null without actually attacking sovereignty structures. Ownership of space is not a simple issue in eve, just as it is not in real life.
Ownership in real life is simple. It is usually proved with a writ, bill of sale, receipt, etc, that is accepted by the general population due to acknowledgment from the local government / judicial system.
However, we're talking about Eve Online.
Disrupting a supply line in null sec space which was created for players to own and control is a lot different then making incorrect and false claims that High Security Empire systems are now owned and controlled by a player created Corp / Alliance, especially when it's being stated in this sub-forum. It intentionally misleads new players and gives them the false impression that 'The Code' is a game rule created, sanctioned and endorsed by CCP which they must follow.
DMC Faction Standing Repair Plan | California Eve Players | (Proposal) Bring Back 'The Endless Battle' Missions |
Lemon Nado
Gallentinos
15
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Posted - 2014.04.09 22:14:00 -
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ALL .5 systems are notoriously unsafe. By design.... |
Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
1088
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Posted - 2014.04.09 23:20:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:blah blah blah
Sorry, DMC, but for your self-righteous ranting in this thread, I will be adding your name to the kill-it-forward queue. Some poor, unsuspecting carebear - possibly a new player - will need to die. I hope you feel some remorse and can find it in your heart to reimburse his loss when it occurs.
This forum is not an appropriate place for you to advertise your own personal biases against player organizations. Newbies deserve to hear from all sides of a player conflict - not just your own.
Anyway, back to the topic. Many player organizations have indeed laid claim to highsec systems and attacked anyone who disputed their claim with wardecs and suicide ganking. It's a pretty old tradition in this game, and has been done with varying degrees of success in different times and places. The New Order is the most high-profile example at this point in the game.
Can any organization really own a system in highsec? No. Can they roleplay as if they do? Yes. Can they be really good, really big, and reasonably organized, to the point where they can blap pretty much anyone who opposes them in the space they claim? Absolutely. Does the New Order have that kind of capability everywhere in highsec? Not yet, but we can dream. www.everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com
Psychotic Monk for CSM9 |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Panhandle Industries
422
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Posted - 2014.04.09 23:26:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ownership in real life is simple. It is usually proved with a writ, bill of sale, receipt, etc, that is accepted by the general population due to acknowledgment from the local government / judicial system. What about a situation like in China where the government of China still claims ownership of Taiwan? Or territory disputes between China and Japan over a tiny string of islands between both nations? How about the fact that Russia has formerly recognized a new government with sovereignty over southern Ukraine, but most western countries do not (warning, I'm extremely ignorant on the present confilct.)?
Even private property negotiations aren't simple. If someone had to leave their home for a few years, and someone else moves in and sells the house to a third party, who is the owner? The person who left, or the person who bought it from the thief? Laws differ around the world on that sort of situation, mainly because its not a simple answer.
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
However, we're talking about Eve Online.
Disrupting a supply line in null sec space which was created for players to own and control is a lot different then making incorrect and false claims that High Security Empire systems are now owned and controlled by a player created Corp / Alliance, especially when it's being stated in this sub-forum. It intentionally misleads new players and gives them the false impression that 'The Code' is a game rule created, sanctioned and endorsed by CCP which they must follow.
DMC
At no point have we claimed that our actions are endorsed by CCP, and James has in the past changed the code to reflect this. However, we exercise force to control other player's activity in some systems, and by that we can lay claim to ownership of the system whether or not the game mechanics support this. This is the same thing wormhole players do when they claim a w-space system as their own.
Please stop claiming that we are misleading new players. I have spent a large amount of time helping players get started in nearly every profession in eve, including some of the same ones that the New Order targets. Just because I belong to a player organization that participates in a play-style that some find offensive, does not mean that I cannot supply valuable resources to other players. Your assertions that we are somehow here to advertise our corporation are insulting at best. The original post in this topic was specifically about this style of play. I am also curious about other organizations that claim sections of high security space for themselves. It is clear that extortion and protection rackets are completely legal in eve (even in high sec), and I do not know the actual player groups involved in these sorts of activities.
New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2516
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Posted - 2014.04.09 23:34:00 -
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Haedonism Bot wrote:
Sorry, DMC, but for your self-righteous ranting in this thread, I will be adding your name to the kill-it-forward queue. Some poor, unsuspecting carebear - possibly a new player - will need to die. I hope you feel some remorse and can find it in your heart to reimburse his loss when it occurs.
Hehe, I was typing *exactly* that until thinking 'why don't I just read the rest of the thread'.
OP: I'm personally more active in Balle than anywhere else at the moment (because I own a lot of mining equipment in that system, and I'd like it to sell; Catalysts and Vexors are a marketing budget). But we are everywhere, from highsec islands, through to Orca suppression operations in 0.9 systems.
If you really want to learn how to avoid gankers, by far the best way is to come ganking with us for a while. Learn our tricks and start thinking of your own counters to them. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
131
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Posted - 2014.04.09 23:42:00 -
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Every story needs a bad guy.. :) |
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds Affirmative.
3985
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Posted - 2014.04.10 00:15:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Galaxy Pig wrote:I have heard of corps outside the New Order that lay claim to a specific system and dont allow mining in it at all, but I couldn' tell you who they were or anything. First of all, no player corp or alliance can claim ownership of Empire space. It is only owned by the controlling Faction listed in the top left corner of the screen. Secondly, your forum signature is incorrect and gives new players a false impression that the extortion racket of your Corp / Alliance is an intended game mechanic created, sanctioned and endorsed by CCP. If you're going to continue posting in this sub-forum then you need to change your forum signature : Quote:Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com to learn more. I've already reported it once before in which ISD / CCL removed your reply and stated this = Please refrain from (false) advertising in EVE New Citizens Q&A. As such I'm going to report it once again, only this time it will be directly to CCP. DMC
Ooh Mr "follow the law by the letter" is back.
If a corp/alliance can control what goes on in a system. They have a claim on the system, not by game mechanics but by using existing game mechanics. And that IS exactly what CCP wants, emergent gameplay.
And now that you are busy whining about his forum signature. Go and report all the people in this and any other forum who have a link to their recruitment post in their signature. As if you want to follow the law to the letter, that is also not allowed and against the rules. As recruitment in any form possible is only allowed in the recruitment forum. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics CODE.
893
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Posted - 2014.04.10 01:28:00 -
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Stop derailing threads in the noob forum! Can we please stay on topic here?!? Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory.-áAll miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code.-áMining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com to learn more. |
Seraphi Nephalis
Seraphi Nephalis Corporation
25
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Posted - 2014.04.10 01:55:00 -
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Any new player who actually takes the time to read these forums is already intelligent enough to figure out that player corps can't technically claim ownership of a highsec system or belt. Because if they can navigate their way through the net to find the forums, they could just as easily google how highsec works.
However, attempting to mislead new players about how highsec works under the the guise of 'emergent gameplay' is, in a word, deplorable.
While I recognise that CCP allows most things to slide, the practice of seeking to mislead, abuse, scam, or hunt players who barely understand the game, much less have the knowledge or ISK to fight back in any meaningful way, needs to be punished more harshly, IMHO.
The catch-all 'HTFU' or 'Emergent Gameplay' should not be a get out of jail free card. |
Praxis Ginimic
Dead Men Rising Ushra'Khan
786
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Posted - 2014.04.10 02:32:00 -
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... but back on topic...
If you want to see what sort of trouble you can stir up with a tanky barge then I suggest going after other miners. Believe it or not, people do still mine with jet cans. Just steal the ore, go suspect and hope that the miner who previously owned the contents of the can attacks you...
You're welcome |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds Affirmative.
3985
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Posted - 2014.04.10 03:11:00 -
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Seraphi Nephalis wrote:Any new player who actually takes the time to read these forums is already intelligent enough to figure out that player corps can't technically claim ownership of a highsec system or belt. Because if they can navigate their way through the net to find the forums, they could just as easily google how highsec works.
However, attempting to mislead new players about how highsec works under the the guise of 'emergent gameplay' is, in a word, deplorable.
While I recognise that CCP allows most things to slide, the practice of seeking to mislead, abuse, scam, or hunt players who barely understand the game, much less have the knowledge or ISK to fight back in any meaningful way, needs to be punished more harshly, IMHO.
The catch-all 'HTFU' or 'Emergent Gameplay' should not be a get out of jail free card.
I fully agree.
Point is that nowhere in the post DMC quoted he advertized that you must do/buy anything to do 'x' or 'y'.
And then the fun part of attacking the forum.signature based on something CCP said, forgetting there are plenty of other forum.l signatures that also break forum rules but he doesnt report those is just biased and shows he holds a grudge against an entity.
I do not always agree with CODE. but they have as much right to play the game their way as anybody else plays the game his way. Basically I see CODE. as not much more then people who RP, just in an unconventional way. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Seraphi Nephalis
Seraphi Nephalis Corporation
26
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Posted - 2014.04.10 09:10:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:
I fully agree.
Point is that nowhere in the post DMC quoted he advertized that you must do/buy anything to do 'x' or 'y'.
And then the fun part of attacking the forum.signature based on something CCP said, forgetting there are plenty of other forum.l signatures that also break forum rules but he doesnt report those is just biased and shows he holds a grudge against an entity.
I do not always agree with CODE. but they have as much right to play the game their way as anybody else plays the game his way. Basically I see CODE. as not much more then people who RP, just in an unconventional way.
I'm afraid I have to disagree.
It's a fallacious argument that pointing out one bad thing isn't fair because you don't point out ALL bad things. DMC may very well have something against this particular signature, but that doesn't mean that it isn't still misleading, and it probably shouldn't be in the new player section.
I also agree with people having the right to play the game 'their way', but not if 'their way' involves intentionally pushing the limits of exploiting new players.If the signature really has been stepped on once already by a representative of CCP, then that should be a pretty clear message, shouldn't it?
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Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
2140
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Posted - 2014.04.10 09:46:00 -
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Seraphi Nephalis wrote:J'Poll wrote:
I fully agree.
Point is that nowhere in the post DMC quoted he advertized that you must do/buy anything to do 'x' or 'y'.
And then the fun part of attacking the forum.signature based on something CCP said, forgetting there are plenty of other forum.l signatures that also break forum rules but he doesnt report those is just biased and shows he holds a grudge against an entity.
I do not always agree with CODE. but they have as much right to play the game their way as anybody else plays the game his way. Basically I see CODE. as not much more then people who RP, just in an unconventional way.
I'm afraid I have to disagree. It's a flawed argument that pointing out one bad thing isn't fair because you don't point out ALL bad things. DMC may very well have something against this particular signature, but that doesn't mean that it isn't still misleading, and it probably shouldn't be in the new player section. I also agree with people having the right to play the game 'their way', but not if 'their way' involves intentionally pushing the limits of exploiting new players. If the signature really has been stepped on once already by a representative of CCP, then that should be a pretty clear message, shouldn't it? It's one thing to roleplay that you own the entire galaxy. It's another thing entirely to try and mislead people about how fundamental game mechanics work.
I think the "Stepped on by CCP" was a post (i.e. not signature) made here in NCQA by a CODE. pilot.
Anyway, I don't see CODE. (as annoying as I find some of the fanatical posts at times) as "misleading" people about how fundamental game mechanics work. They're saying "Hey everyone! we're taking control of hisec back to the players by killing bots and bot-aspirant (sic) behavior!" ... and running an extortion racket centered around that belief.
Then again, I've been gone for several months, and probably missed a lot. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Yarda Black
Epidemic. Nulli Secunda
118
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Posted - 2014.04.10 10:25:00 -
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So this post now has 2 aspects:
1. Where do I test my tank against ganking? I'm referring to mr Epeen's advice. If you follow it, you should be good.
2. Is it fair that CODE or anybody else misleads n00bs in believing they own h-sec? No. Picking fights with "kids" never is. Ganking people isnt either. Its not like they're going to fight back. EVE in general isnt very fair to begin with tho. 20 guys dropping BLOPS on a Thorax anyone? For some that makes those unarmed h-sec dudes unworthy of attention. I can't be bothered. Which is why I'm not anti high-sec. For others that makes them targets they can handle. I can't really be bothered with those guys either.
But in all honesty; I think even a 3 day old n00b should be able to figure out claiming space cant be done in h-sec. They should figure out the whole "CODE thing" is player content driven gameplay. At which point they should decide whether they want to join that or ignore it.
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1130
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Posted - 2014.04.10 11:20:00 -
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I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
The Rules:
18. New player bashing will not be tolerated.
New members of the EVE Online community are encouraged to use, but are not restricted to the EVE New Citizens Q&A forum. This forum is specifically designed to provide a platform for those who are new to the EVE community to ask questions and learn more about EVE. More experienced forum users are encouraged to participate by assisting new players with helpful and courteous responses. All flaming, trolling and posts of a derogatory nature will be deleted, and will be considered a severe breach of the forum rules.
22. Post constructively.
Negative feedback can be very useful to further improve EVE Online provided that it is presented in a civil and factual manner. All users are encouraged to honestly express their feelings regarding EVE Online and how it can be improved. Posts that are non-constructive, insulting or in breach of the rules will be deleted regardless of how valid the ideas behind them may be. Users are also reminded that posting with a lack of content also constitutes non-constructive posting.
26. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Balshem Rozenzweig
Akademia Milicyjna The North is Coming
44
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Posted - 2014.04.10 11:47:00 -
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I've been thinking about doing this too so +1 to OP.
Just to ninja the thread:
when wanting to ambush someone in a procurer I should go for thermal/kinetic hardeners, right? From what I'm reading thru the forums adaptive will be a waste, since catalysts are the ships they will attack with? Singature Radius 48 m |
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