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Asia Leigh
Beyond New Frontier
108
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Posted - 2014.04.11 07:45:00 -
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Karak Kashada wrote:Gee whiz. If only someone would tell this to highsec miners. They would be encouraged to know that all they need to dominate those three Catalysts blasting holes in their hull is a little bit o' "player skill." If they only knew it were so easy. Oh... you weren't talking about mining vessels, were you. You were talking about cargo ships.
You know that avoiding a gank is like the easiest thing, even for noobs. Using a phrase you like to use all the time "Try again?"
Erotica 1: Scams someone-á-á Ripard: Makes inflamatory blog post that incites eve community and the MMO community-á Sohkar: I wasn't harrased-á-á-á-áCCP: Banned-á-á-á Moral of this story? If you don't want to get banned, don't **** off CSM |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4590
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Posted - 2014.04.11 07:45:00 -
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Karak Kashada wrote:Gee whiz. If only someone would tell this to highsec miners. They would be encouraged to know that all they need to dominate those three Catalysts blasting holes in their hull is a little bit o' "player skill." If they only knew it were so easy. Oh... you weren't talking about mining vessels, were you. You were talking about cargo ships.
All the highsec miner needs to survive is to put even the tiniest amount of effort towards his own defense. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Abigail Sagan
Skeleton Liberation Front
54
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Posted - 2014.04.11 07:46:00 -
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Karak Kashada wrote:masternerdguy wrote:
And you will get owned in your pimped out ship and get made fun of on EVENews24 and The Mittani. But then you might learn SP is not equal to skill.
You keep saying that you aren't wanting everything right now, but all your posts scream "I Want It Now!"
No, they do not. They screamGÇöif they scream at allGÇö"Make my in-game time worth something!" And, for the record, no matter how many posters attempt to cram this "I want it now" nonsense down my throat, it will continue to be a strawman argument. Not once have I clamored for anything "right now." I will be happy to see the same amount of time pass before I can pilot a certain ship or fit a certain mod. I simply am not amenable to the mechanism CCP has built.
If I understood you correctly, you want your in-game time to be worth something. Here is what my in-game time is worth to me: - Iskies - Game mechanics experience - Excitement - Relationships - And most importantly: Fun
I have never needed high skill points for any of those. Higher skills (I have some now) do help with getting the iskies though - to a point, but iskies are the least important of the five points above - a necessary evil really.
In-character skill training thankfully isn't part of that 'in-game time' deal. Even having to grind for iskies is often bad enough. I don't want to grind to learn skills too. Skill training in EVE is very good, not perfect though.
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Eyrun Mangeiri
Schattengarde
6
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Posted - 2014.04.11 07:46:00 -
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Karak Kashada wrote:Gee whiz. If only someone would tell this to highsec miners. They would be encouraged to know that all they need to dominate those three Catalysts blasting holes in their hull is a little bit o' "player skill." If they only knew it were so easy. Oh... you weren't talking about mining vessels, were you. You were talking about cargo ships.
Yes, they can prevent getting ganked by playing better. I can see what you see not - vision milky then eyes rot. When you turn they will be gone - whispering their hidden song. |
Karak Kashada
Dispensation
28
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Posted - 2014.04.11 07:47:00 -
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Asia Leigh wrote:Karak Kashada wrote:Gee whiz. If only someone would tell this to highsec miners. They would be encouraged to know that all they need to dominate those three Catalysts blasting holes in their hull is a little bit o' "player skill." If they only knew it were so easy. Oh... you weren't talking about mining vessels, were you. You were talking about cargo ships. You know that avoiding a gank is like the easiest thing, even for noobs. Using a phrase you like to use all the time "Try again?" You're back! Awe, I'm touched. And here I was under the impression that you thought I was *********.
Oh, and the point of discussion (off-topic, though it is) was not "surviving a gank," but "dominating in PvP." Just FYI. |
Asia Leigh
Beyond New Frontier
109
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Posted - 2014.04.11 07:50:00 -
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Karak Kashada wrote:Asia Leigh wrote:Karak Kashada wrote:Gee whiz. If only someone would tell this to highsec miners. They would be encouraged to know that all they need to dominate those three Catalysts blasting holes in their hull is a little bit o' "player skill." If they only knew it were so easy. Oh... you weren't talking about mining vessels, were you. You were talking about cargo ships. You know that avoiding a gank is like the easiest thing, even for noobs. Using a phrase you like to use all the time "Try again?" You're back! Awe, I'm touched. And here I was under the impression that you thought I was *********. Oh, and the point of discussion (off-topic, though it is) was not "surviving a gank," but "dominating in PvP." Just FYI.
Who the hell shoots mining barges in catalysts in low sec? You know you meant suicide ganks, but nice try.
Erotica 1: Scams someone-á-á Ripard: Makes inflamatory blog post that incites eve community and the MMO community-á Sohkar: I wasn't harrased-á-á-á-áCCP: Banned-á-á-á Moral of this story? If you don't want to get banned, don't **** off CSM |
Karak Kashada
Dispensation
28
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Posted - 2014.04.11 07:52:00 -
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Asia Leigh wrote:Karak Kashada wrote:Asia Leigh wrote:Karak Kashada wrote:Gee whiz. If only someone would tell this to highsec miners. They would be encouraged to know that all they need to dominate those three Catalysts blasting holes in their hull is a little bit o' "player skill." If they only knew it were so easy. Oh... you weren't talking about mining vessels, were you. You were talking about cargo ships. You know that avoiding a gank is like the easiest thing, even for noobs. Using a phrase you like to use all the time "Try again?" You're back! Awe, I'm touched. And here I was under the impression that you thought I was *********. Oh, and the point of discussion (off-topic, though it is) was not "surviving a gank," but "dominating in PvP." Just FYI. Who the hell shoots mining barges in catalysts in low sec? You know you meant suicide ganks, but nice try. Who said lowsec? Are you even reading these posts before you reply? |
Asia Leigh
Beyond New Frontier
109
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Posted - 2014.04.11 08:00:00 -
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Karak Kashada wrote: Who said lowsec? Are you even reading these posts before you reply?
Well then you meant high sec ganks so my original statement stands. The player skill in that type of engagement is to avoid the engagement all together and isn't all that hard... Wtf does dominating PVP have to do in that scenario... You only make yourself seem more foolish each time you post...
Erotica 1: Scams someone-á-á Ripard: Makes inflamatory blog post that incites eve community and the MMO community-á Sohkar: I wasn't harrased-á-á-á-áCCP: Banned-á-á-á Moral of this story? If you don't want to get banned, don't **** off CSM |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1354
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Posted - 2014.04.11 08:03:00 -
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Karak Kashada wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:You do not need to "wait to play". That is true only under certain conditions. As is my point. Then maybe that should have been the title of this thread: "EVE: the Game you Wait to Play if certain particular conditions are met." Maybe you should go and change the "wait to play" line every time it pops up in the original post. Also, I do believe the author can change the title of the thread. You should look into that.
Wouldn't want anyone getting confused over a simple misunderstanding, would we?
Karak Kashada wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Player skill, not SP, not T2, does in fact dominate pvp in Eve. I assert this, and I support it not with "hypotheticals", but with fact. Gee whiz. If only someone would tell this to highsec miners. They would be encouraged to know that all they need to dominate those three Catalysts blasting holes in their hull is a little bit o' "player skill." If they only knew it were so easy. Oh... you weren't talking about mining vessels, were you. You were talking about cargo ships. Don't put words in my mouth. What I said about player skill is as true for mining ships as it is for any other. Example. The miners accounted for 32.5% of total damage. Another Example. All you need is a little damage to kill them before they kill you.
And those were just two examples from the last 100 kills involving catalysts TODAY.
Karak Kashada wrote: Good deal. Care to substantiate that with something other than your "personal guarantee"? I mean, you have all the evidence for the other points... Youtube vids and killboards, etc. No hypotheticals, remember. That's for us noobs.
I would be happy to. Is there a particular T3 setup for which you'd like me to find a T1 counterpart that will do the same job? Or should I just pick one at random? |
Karak Kashada
Dispensation
28
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Posted - 2014.04.11 08:05:00 -
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Asia Leigh wrote:Well then you meant high sec ganks so my original statement stands. Whether or not the point stands, your post diverted from the point being discussed. And while in-game lingo allows for a distinction between a lowsec attack and a highsec suicide gank, I have news for you... it's all ships blowing holes in other ships. Don't distract from the point by throwing pebbles.
Asia Leigh wrote:The player skill in that type of engagement is to avoid the engagement all together and isn't all that hard... Wtf does dominating PVP have to do in that scenario... Beats me. Ask PotatoMan here. It's his idea. If you disagree with it, take it up with him.
Asia Leigh wrote:You only make yourself seem more foolish each time you post... That's funny, I was thinking the same thing about you. Gosh. It's nice to have friends online, isn't it. |
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Karak Kashada
Dispensation
28
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Posted - 2014.04.11 08:08:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:I would be happy to. Is there a particular T3 setup for which you'd like me to find a T1 counterpart that will do the same job? Or should I just pick one at random? Oh, do yourself proud. Choose something impressive. Let's see something clearly designed for a T3 pilot being done by a T1 pilot. I will prepare to be impressed! |
Big Lynx
The Gun Runners
372
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Posted - 2014.04.11 08:11:00 -
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Karak Kashada wrote: That's funny, I was thinking the same thing about you. Gosh. It's nice to have friends online, isn't it.
Are you Gevlon or Lukas Kell's alt? just curious, because of your narrow minded verbal diarrhea. |
Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
201
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Posted - 2014.04.11 08:13:00 -
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I get the feeling that you don't really belong in a game with any sort of level based play. Yet I am guessing that when you depart from Eve Online (which is going to be soon, right?) you will probably pick up some other level based game, and complain that it doesn't suit you, when you can't have everything you want from day 1. |
Karak Kashada
Dispensation
28
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Posted - 2014.04.11 08:14:00 -
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Big Lynx wrote:Karak Kashada wrote: That's funny, I was thinking the same thing about you. Gosh. It's nice to have friends online, isn't it.
Are you Gevlon or Lukas Kell's alt? just curious, because of your narrow minded verbal diarrhea. Oooooh... an impressive first post in the thread. Juicy, and full of on-topic content. Tell me, do you always dazzle with such insights, or was this just dumb luck? |
Karak Kashada
Dispensation
28
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Posted - 2014.04.11 08:16:00 -
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Dalloway Jones wrote:I get the feeling that you don't really belong in a game with any sort of level based play. Yet I am guessing that when you depart from Eve Online (which is going to be soon, right?) you will probably pick up some other level based game, and complain that it doesn't suit you, when you can't have everything you want from day 1. And I'm guessing that guessing games...aren't your forte? I mean, now that the thread has moved beyond the topic, to making personal assessments of one another... |
Marie Hartinez
Aries Munitions and Defense
595
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Posted - 2014.04.11 08:20:00 -
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"Read" up to page 12, walked away for a few minutes to make something to drink, and come back to 3 more pages of whinge.
This thread is going places. Hopefully off a steep cliff with sharp pointy rocks at the bottom, or something.
I'll throw the OP a 2.5/10 as I replied. Would have been a bit higher if I wasn't hammered on Jack and Coke. Surrender is still your slightly less painful option. |
Asia Leigh
Beyond New Frontier
110
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Posted - 2014.04.11 08:24:00 -
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Karak Kashada wrote:Dalloway Jones wrote:I get the feeling that you don't really belong in a game with any sort of level based play. Yet I am guessing that when you depart from Eve Online (which is going to be soon, right?) you will probably pick up some other level based game, and complain that it doesn't suit you, when you can't have everything you want from day 1. And I'm guessing that guessing games...aren't your forte? I mean, now that the thread has moved beyond the topic, to making personal assessments of one another...
Well your initial OP was about "wait to play" and I'm bored "waiting for skills". We try to prove you wrong by providing you several FACTS and try to get out of you what you want out of the game so we could point you in the right direction. You repeatedly respond with babble, and are surprised when the rest of us start to get upset and/or troll? Are you that stupid? Honest and serious question.... Erotica 1: Scams someone-á-á Ripard: Makes inflamatory blog post that incites eve community and the MMO community-á Sohkar: I wasn't harrased-á-á-á-áCCP: Banned-á-á-á Moral of this story? If you don't want to get banned, don't **** off CSM |
Karak Kashada
Dispensation
28
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Posted - 2014.04.11 08:28:00 -
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Marie Hartinez wrote:"Read" up to page 12, walked away for a few minutes to make something to drink, and come back to 3 more pages of whinge.
This thread is going places. Hopefully off a steep cliff with sharp pointy rocks at the bottom, or something.
I'll throw the OP a 2.5/10 as I replied. Would have been a bit higher if I wasn't hammered on Jack and Coke. 2.5/10? Hey, not bad. Thanks for your generosity! |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
196
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Posted - 2014.04.11 08:29:00 -
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Well........
I'm currently skilling for interceptors and small artillery. I'm not really playing, but I know what to do and where to go already.
When I was a new guy skills weren't actually limiting me in any way or form, because I knew that I can use a lot of things at lvl1 already and that going for the next big ship is simply stupid.
I've used frigates for a long time, skipped cruisers and went for the hurricane and then haven't skilled for any bigger ship for another TWO YEARS!
Why? Because it's not necessary and my **** is huge even in a frigate. No compensation needed.
Thank you.
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1c3crysta1
Unknown in the unknown The Autonomy
25
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Posted - 2014.04.11 08:29:00 -
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Find the thing you want to do with either frigates or destroyers and keep at it to start with. You'll be able to sit in those pretty much the first weeks and have fun while knowing that you have something new on the horizon aswell. I agree that waiting for a new skill to complete is boring, but the foremost question is why you ain't having fun in small, inexpensive ships? Have you tried frigate PvP? Factional Warfare is great for that, it'll probably give you so much iskies that you'll have trouble knowing where to put it (if that's your goal, go with the current tier 3 factions, which are Gallente or Amarr). It's easy enough to just pick a ship of choice, skill it up and use it until the end of times (at which point, you'll be able to try a new ship). Missions are also ok for some time, I know many ppl who kept at it until they could fly their first battleship decently. Or you might be more for the industrialist/market-interested type?
The key to eve, in my opinion is to find the thing that interests you to stick around, excluding specialized/huge ships like T3/Capitals. And joining a corporation that aligns with your goal in game! (Almost forgot that ) Time goes fast when you're having fun and slow as hell when you're waiting. This applies to more than just Eve. |
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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1354
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Posted - 2014.04.11 08:29:00 -
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Karak Kashada wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:I would be happy to. Is there a particular T3 setup for which you'd like me to find a T1 counterpart that will do the same job? Or should I just pick one at random? Oh, do yourself proud. Choose something impressive. Let's see something clearly designed for a T3 pilot being done by a T1 pilot. I will prepare to be impressed! As you wish: The 100mn Tengu, the quintessential and arguably most powerful T3 to ever exist, bane of fleets everywhere from 2009-2012. While out of favor now, (since the HML nerf), they still make an appearance every now and then. I choose this because it is the singularly most impressive thing ever done with T3's (IMO) and the main reason people still cry "nerf T3" whenever people discuss balance.
If you need more footage, just go to youtube and type in "100mn Tengu." You won't be disappointed. The sheer volume of footage is quite staggering. They saw use in both solo and fleets.
Now for the promised T1 versions:
100mn Tornado. A fleet of 100mn Vexors. Videos of these are quite replete as well, just search "100mn vexor" to find more. You'll still occasionally find a pve versions of one of these running sites in Venal. Edit: There were also 100mn drakes, but I didn't count them because they would often use fancy mods, quite unfair to new players. |
Caleb Seremshur
Capital Storm. Black Flag Society
220
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Posted - 2014.04.11 08:30:00 -
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Stay classy OP. 14 pages of trolling and still going. LP store weapon cost rebalance |
Karak Kashada
Dispensation
28
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Posted - 2014.04.11 08:32:00 -
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Asia Leigh wrote: Well your initial OP was about "wait to play" and I'm bored "waiting for skills". We try to prove you wrong by providing you several FACTS and try to get out of you what you want out of the game so we could point you in the right direction. You repeatedly respond with babble, and are surprised when the rest of us start to get upset and/or troll? Are you that stupid? Honest and serious question....
And I have a serious question in return. Do you honestly think, for one minute, that I started this thread because I was looking for people to "point me in the right direction"? Could you possibly have read the OP and concluded that I had any interest in continuing EVE gameplay? And to quote a good friend of mine, "Are you that stupid?" |
Asia Leigh
Beyond New Frontier
110
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Posted - 2014.04.11 08:34:00 -
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Karak Kashada wrote:Asia Leigh wrote: Well your initial OP was about "wait to play" and I'm bored "waiting for skills". We try to prove you wrong by providing you several FACTS and try to get out of you what you want out of the game so we could point you in the right direction. You repeatedly respond with babble, and are surprised when the rest of us start to get upset and/or troll? Are you that stupid? Honest and serious question....
And I have a serious question in return. Do you honestly think, for one minute, that I started this thread because I was looking for people to "point me in the right direction"? Could you possibly have read the OP and concluded that I had any interest in continuing EVE gameplay? And to quote a good friend of mine, "Are you that stupid?"
Then why the **** are you still here posting? Bad troll is bad... Be gone now...
Erotica 1: Scams someone-á-á Ripard: Makes inflamatory blog post that incites eve community and the MMO community-á Sohkar: I wasn't harrased-á-á-á-áCCP: Banned-á-á-á Moral of this story? If you don't want to get banned, don't **** off CSM |
Marie Hartinez
Aries Munitions and Defense
595
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Posted - 2014.04.11 08:35:00 -
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Karak Kashada wrote:Marie Hartinez wrote:"Read" up to page 12, walked away for a few minutes to make something to drink, and come back to 3 more pages of whinge.
This thread is going places. Hopefully off a steep cliff with sharp pointy rocks at the bottom, or something.
I'll throw the OP a 2.5/10 as I replied. Would have been a bit higher if I wasn't hammered on Jack and Coke. 2.5/10? Hey, not bad. Thanks for your generosity!
You're welcome, and that's not the Jack talking, maybe the coke, but not the Jack. Surrender is still your slightly less painful option. |
Karak Kashada
Dispensation
29
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Posted - 2014.04.11 08:37:00 -
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Asia Leigh wrote:Karak Kashada wrote:Asia Leigh wrote: Well your initial OP was about "wait to play" and I'm bored "waiting for skills". We try to prove you wrong by providing you several FACTS and try to get out of you what you want out of the game so we could point you in the right direction. You repeatedly respond with babble, and are surprised when the rest of us start to get upset and/or troll? Are you that stupid? Honest and serious question....
And I have a serious question in return. Do you honestly think, for one minute, that I started this thread because I was looking for people to "point me in the right direction"? Could you possibly have read the OP and concluded that I had any interest in continuing EVE gameplay? And to quote a good friend of mine, "Are you that stupid?" Then why the **** are you still here posting? Bad troll is bad... Be gone now... Why am I still posting? Why are you? No one obligated you to respond to this thread, or to any post in it. You begone! Go spread your conceited vitriol elsewhere. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
198
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Posted - 2014.04.11 08:40:00 -
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Okay so the conclusion seems to be that the OP is a full blown idiot because he doesn't actually want to play anymore but believes his stupid, worthless opinion is important enough to annoy the **** out of everybody who wants to help.
People... stop responding. He's just an *******.
Reporting this thread to get it closed. I encourage everybody else to do the same. |
Karak Kashada
Dispensation
29
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Posted - 2014.04.11 08:40:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Stay classy OP. 14 pages of trolling and still going. Oh there is plenty of trolling going on, but if you think it's all on me, you're just as deluded as the rest of these CCP sell-outs, who couldn't string together a cogent counter -argument to the OP even if their skills were maxed and they were getting fleet bonuses. Funny how those who incite or start the trolling are always excused. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1356
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Posted - 2014.04.11 08:42:00 -
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OP, are you impressed? I had to try really, really hard. But you're worth it. |
Marie Hartinez
Aries Munitions and Defense
595
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Posted - 2014.04.11 08:42:00 -
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Karak Kashada wrote:Asia Leigh wrote: Well your initial OP was about "wait to play" and I'm bored "waiting for skills". We try to prove you wrong by providing you several FACTS and try to get out of you what you want out of the game so we could point you in the right direction. You repeatedly respond with babble, and are surprised when the rest of us start to get upset and/or troll? Are you that stupid? Honest and serious question....
And I have a serious question in return. Do you honestly think, for one minute, that I started this thread because I was looking for people to "point me in the right direction"? Could you possibly have read the OP and concluded that I had any interest in continuing EVE gameplay? And to quote a good friend of mine, "Are you that stupid?"
Then why post in the first place?
I get the feeling you are just an attention seeking *****. Because, in my opinion, this thread is just meaningless otherwise.
Now I'll give you 3.5/10 as I've fed you more then once. Surrender is still your slightly less painful option. |
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